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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 13
    rkrkrk said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    I can't understand this perspective at all. He had every right to stand - and of course the fact he won shows he was right to do so.

    For me its David who comes out looking bad from the affair. He quit the country rather than support his brother as leader and damaged him before he'd even started.
    Ed has put in the hard yards since too, he lives the politics not just when he might win the top prize.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    You're speaking for yourself, not the country.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    rkrkrk said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    I can't understand this perspective at all. He had every right to stand - and of course the fact he won shows he was right to do so.

    For me its David who comes out looking bad from the affair. He quit the country rather than support his brother as leader and damaged him before he'd even started.
    +1 - equally David had a chance earlier and utterly blew it...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,447
    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    The country doesn't get to decide.

    Just the weird folk who pay subs to the Labour Party.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    You're speaking for yourself, not the country.
    Don't we all?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."

    If Wes winning would destroy the country, probs shouldn't have him in the cabinet, Starms.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    edited May 13
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    Starmer has awful hair and he really needs to wash it more often. He has good, thick hair for a man his age, or even a younger man but he's hit the awkward point where the quality of each hair strand is deteriorating. He should cut it shorter, round about a number 3/2.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    Andy_JS said:

    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Best for them would be two more Labour PMs before the election.
    Yes. Ideal is probably Rayner, brought down by tax scandal in short order.

    Streeting gets it by default, then Burnham comes back and challenges successfully but the Labour right quite the party a la Chuka Umunna in a huff.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."

    Pass the sick bucket.
    I think Starmers being a bit silly. Streeting is not the worst option on offer .
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Rayner should back Streeting. Miliband and Burnham are retreads from a previous generation.
    Why would she back the obvious loser from the total opposite (Mandelson/ McSweeney) wing of the Party
    He's the obvious winner. She could be the Prescott to Streeting's Blair.

    There's much more potential for good political chemistry than there was between Rayner and Starmer.
    You do not understand Labour Members

    He has close to Zero chance of beating anyone else in a contest.

    So confident am I about this I will offer you £20 at 12/1 (double the best odds you can get elsewhere) if you want to back him.

    Only applies at 12/1 if there is a contest with another Labour figure.

    You win £240 plus your stake goes to a charity of your choice.

    You lose and £20 goes to a charity of my choice.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    The country doesn't get to decide.

    Just the weird folk who pay subs to the Labour Party.
    Ultimately the country will get to decide.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    Ed Miliband the eco-fanatic!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Just wait until you hear it every day on every issue.
    Britain: a country with apparently insurmountable problems whose political leaders keep making the wrong decisions.
    Britain: a country where what a politician's voice sounds like is considered a relevant factor in selecting political leaders.
    Could these facts perhaps be related?
    Starmer's voice is even more annoying than Liz Truss's.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    Ed Miliband the eco-fanatic!
    24 hours to save the planet!!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    rkrkrk said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    I can't understand this perspective at all. He had every right to stand - and of course the fact he won shows he was right to do so.

    For me its David who comes out looking bad from the affair. He quit the country rather than support his brother as leader and damaged him before he'd even started.
    David felt betrayed and realized that it would end in tears . I admit that I would still vote for Ed M if it meant stopping Reform but I’m not the part of the electorate that he has to worry about . And that’s what worries me .
  • kle4 said:

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Anyone eating them or just photographing them?
    They are all “influencers”. Visuals first
    Typo in "wankers" there.
    I used to think that. I don’t any more

    I’ve worked on assignment with a lot of influencers now

    They work really hard. They are often really smart. You have to be imaginative and resourceful. I just had a long chat with one of the girls on this Northumberland foodie road trip, she’s making £10k a month out of Instagram vids, TikTok shop, and stuff I’ve never heard of. And she’s travelling around the world for free. And she’s 23

    Impressive
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    Jonathan said:

    Is this what being a Tory feels like?

    Just twice more before the next General Election and you'll really see what it is like to be a Tory.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204
    edited May 13
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    You're speaking for yourself, not the country.
    Don't we all?
    When in response to a comment "I don't think the country agrees with me" someone answers "you're right", do you not think they're getting a bit above themselves?

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."

    Pass the sick bucket.
    I think Starmers being a bit silly. Streeting is not the worst option on offer .
    He is the best bet if you wont Lab to be totally finished
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
    Farage could sub her, unless he is made to pay hid £5m back.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    Andy_JS said:

    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Best for them would be two more Labour PMs before the election.
    There is still a relatively decent chance that the coup could fizzle out. That wouldn’t be a bad result for the Tories because they’d likely have at least another year of lame duck Starmer, if not longer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Lucy Powell at 50/1?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    Just glad I recently got a new passport.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    Starmer has awful hair and he really needs to wash it more often. He has good, thick hair for a man his age, or even a younger man but he's hit the awkward point where the quality of each hair strand is deteriorating. He should cut it shorter, round about a number 3/2.
    Someone was saying that Wes looks a bit like the golfer Ludvig Aberg.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro

    Reform continuing to attract high quality people I see.
    The LDs suspended a councillor for antisemitic remarks only a matter of days ago. All parties have tainted representatives
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,024
    EICIPM
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Not if it is given three years, 2026-2029, to bankrupt the country. Like Reform the left rely for votes on what they are going to to, not their glittering legacy.
    On the other hand 3 successful years could unite the left for re-election.
    I do love how PB supporters of the party of auterity, Brexit and Covid corruption seem to easily forget about their alphabet of economic disasters.

    Labour throwing away that golden legacy, again...
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    Andy_JS said:

    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Best for them would be two more Labour PMs before the election.
    There is still a relatively decent chance that the coup could fizzle out. That wouldn’t be a bad result for the Tories because they’d likely have at least another year of lame duck Starmer, if not longer.
    If it fizzles out, Labour will start dropping even further in the polls. Single figures are not impossible if Starmer isn't removed
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro

    Reform continuing to attract high quality people I see.
    The LDs suspended a councillor for antisemitic remarks only a matter of days ago. All parties have tainted representatives
    They do, the question is which has the most and how do they treat them.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,057
    edited May 13
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    She may not have a tax issue. Her tax situation was very complex with a trust for disabled child (with special provisions) and the child was just about to turn 18. I don't think it's big deal.

    I realise that the right wing press will try to make it a big deal and ignore Farage's tax and gifting affairs.

    She was recommended to ask for specialist advice by her solicitor but it looked to me like a typical arse covering provision by the solicitor.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323
    Thatcher, Major and Starmer? How The Mighty Fall | Gyles Brandeth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsQ74A8UOvM

    Former Tory whip Brandreth compares today to when Thatcher and Major were challenged, compares Starmer and Streeting who have both been on his podcast, and then meanders off into reminiscences about previous Prime Ministers.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Think Streeting right now is in a dark room with a coin saying "best out of 3"?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    Here’s a counter factual thought. What if Corbyn was still a Labour MP today.
  • CJtheOptimistCJtheOptimist Posts: 338
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    😂 It's not a beauty contest!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,887

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
    Deeply unfair as Ed was the one with the bright idea of barbed wire and watchtowers at the border if Scotland went independent, but them’s the breaks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    You're speaking for yourself, not the country.
    Don't we all?
    When in response to a comment "I don't think the country agrees with me" someone answers "you're right", do you not think they're getting a bit above themselves?

    The nature of online commentary.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 265
    kle4 said:

    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Weirdly she might need someone who appeals to new Reformers. If it takes off even 5% ftom Reform without hurting the Tories and suddenly the party can at least claim to be top dog on the right again.
    Indeed. It's just not obvious who that candidate is.

    Rayner's personality might take a bit of the RedWall Old Labour support back from Reform, but then Burnham's personal vote probably has some overlap with that group.

    Being a retread might actually help EdM with older voters who put some value on experience, name recognition and not being a young whippersnapper, or however their mental processes work.

    Streeting looks like the worst option, despite being more closely aligned on actual policy positions.

    Delicately balanced.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    edited May 13

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
    Deeply unfair as Ed was the one with the bright idea of barbed wire and watchtowers at the border if Scotland went independent, but them’s the breaks.
    Could we see your avatar in number 10? I’d not be surprised
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    I can't understand this perspective at all. He had every right to stand - and of course the fact he won shows he was right to do so.

    For me its David who comes out looking bad from the affair. He quit the country rather than support his brother as leader and damaged him before he'd even started.
    David felt betrayed and realized that it would end in tears . I admit that I would still vote for Ed M if it meant stopping Reform but I’m not the part of the electorate that he has to worry about . And that’s what worries me .
    Why feel betrayed? He must have known his brother also dreamt of being PM.

    I have two sons, I would never expect the younger to stand aside for the older if they both wanted a job. But I'd be livid if the one who missed out undermined his brother.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323

    Andy_JS said:

    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Best for them would be two more Labour PMs before the election.
    There is still a relatively decent chance that the coup could fizzle out. That wouldn’t be a bad result for the Tories because they’d likely have at least another year of lame duck Starmer, if not longer.
    I think it was Rupert Lowe who said something similar, that the opposition parties wanted Starmer out but at the same time wanted Starmer to remain for the selfish reason he was good for their electoral prospects. No challengers for him though!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    Jonathan said:

    Here’s a counter factual thought. What if Corbyn was still a Labour MP today.

    He'd hoover up the Green vote and his leading opponents couldn't blame him for being too supportive of Putin or anti- Semitic without first biting their tongues.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    Barnesian said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    She may not have a tax issue. Her tax situation was very complex with a trust for disabled child (with special provisions) and the child was just about to turn 18. I don't think it's big deal.

    I realise that the right wing press will try to make it a big deal and ignore Farage's tax and gifting affairs.
    Both Farage and Polanski will have to muzzle it for a while given their problems. And finally the BBC had to report on the £5 million . Chris Mason must have needed counselling !

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    He is, but I don't believe he read that memo.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
    I appreciate that this may not be popular with some on PB, but anyone who signed up for an IOM payroll EBT scheme thinking that it was legitimate based on the legal opinion being touted by the scheme promoters is either not being honest with themselves or an idiot.

    Rayner's flat purchase was a 2nd home only because she is a trustee for her son's trust and is therefore considered to have an interest in the property held for him in trust. She should have taken proper legal advice and she shouldn't have tried to mislead everyone about the matter, but it's fairly clear that she considers that property to be her son's not hers and she will not have a financial interest in it once he's 18.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    Not compared to SKS though

    According to Polls he is loathed less than Streeting as well.

    Only Burnham would have a chance of beating Reform though
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    kle4 said:

    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro

    Reform continuing to attract high quality people I see.
    The LDs suspended a councillor for antisemitic remarks only a matter of days ago. All parties have tainted representatives
    They do, the question is which has the most and how do they treat them.
    I am, in no way, supportive of Reform. Any new party achieving large numbers of novice councilors will almost inevitably not have robust enough vetting procedures. Older parties have had decades to put those in place.

    Reform has got to weed out those with dodgy track records more effectively and efficiently.

    Any new party has a steep learning curve. But the quality of council candidates has been dropping for a long time. So it will be an issue for all parties for the foreseeable future.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    edited May 13
    Really interesting story.

    US Secretary of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago. Well done that man!

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically, and the nuanced discussions that lead up to major summits.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    Not compared to SKS though

    According to Polls he is loathed less than Streeting as well.

    Only Burnham would have a chance of beating Reform though
    I believe with his feet under the table Miliband will be even more despised than even Starmer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    😂 It's not a beauty contest!
    You do have a point given Trump won twice !
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,452

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
    Farage could sub her, unless he is made to pay hid £5m back.
    He's probably spent it all on tabs already.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    This explains the story of Bleter Blandelson.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    @johnmcdonnellMP
    ·
    1h
    Just a thought. Wes Streeting owes his political status to the support he’s received over years from Peter Mandelson & Morgan McSweeney at Labour Together. He wouldn’t make a move against Keir Starmer without Mandelson’s say so. So look on this as Mandelson’s & Morgan’s revenge.

    This is why he cant win
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,887
    Jonathan said:

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
    Deeply unfair as Ed was the one with the bright idea of barbed wire and watchtowers at the border if Scotland went independent, but them’s the breaks.
    Could we see your avatar in number 10? I’d not be surprised
    Possibly more likely than the other non mp. Might not want to give up his lucrative and influential media gig though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    This explains the story of Bleter Blandelson.
    Indeed so.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    Apparently there are no receipts for all that security Farage allegedly spent protecting himself and his girlfriend who doesn’t have much money managed to buy a million pound house soon after Farage received the donation!

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    😂 It's not a beauty contest!
    You do have a point given Trump won twice !
    Three times is the official GOP position.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,193
    Still - the fact EICIPM is still an option - the Labour Party have a death wish
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    Andy_JS said:

    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/

    Vote Zack get Kemi.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186

    Jonathan said:

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
    Deeply unfair as Ed was the one with the bright idea of barbed wire and watchtowers at the border if Scotland went independent, but them’s the breaks.
    Could we see your avatar in number 10? I’d not be surprised
    Possibly more likely than the other non mp. Might not want to give up his lucrative and influential media gig though.
    Not as an MP.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 13
    Andy_JS said:

    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/

    Nimbyism being stronger than any other ideology is no surprise.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,057
    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
    I appreciate that this may not be popular with some on PB, but anyone who signed up for an IOM payroll EBT scheme thinking that it was legitimate based on the legal opinion being touted by the scheme promoters is either not being honest with themselves or an idiot.

    Rayner's flat purchase was a 2nd home only because she is a trustee for her son's trust and is therefore considered to have an interest in the property held for him in trust. She should have taken proper legal advice and she shouldn't have tried to mislead everyone about the matter, but it's fairly clear that she considers that property to be her son's not hers and she will not have a financial interest in it once he's 18.
    He's already 18. His 18th birthday was on 9th April this year.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    Andy_JS said:

    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/

    Vote Zack get Kemi.
    The Greens expect people to live in tents foraging for nuts . Who needs new homes !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734

    Still - the fact EICIPM is still an option - the Labour Party have a death wish

    On the other hand he can only surprise on the upside.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    Remember Wes Streeting telling Beth Rigby that Corbyn supporters needed to “dry their eyes” when she asked him about Starmer lying to win the Labour leadership?

    Turns out we are having to dry our eyes a lot at the moment — but only from crying with laughter.
  • Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142

    Still - the fact EICIPM is still an option - the Labour Party have a death wish

    But why? Bet you voted Cameron in 2015 for strong and stable leadership. Little did you know that was the catalyst to send this country into the latrine.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    edited May 13
    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
    Ha yes, but the interviewee, an HK lady in the US, said translation.

    Don’t you actually speak Chinese?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    Jonathan said:

    Is this what being a Tory feels like?

    Hmm. the overwhelming feeling I have is "all the candidates are shit and I don't want any of them to win". So pretty standard for the Conservative Party post 2019, tbh.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    nico67 said:

    Apparently there are no receipts for all that security Farage allegedly spent protecting himself and his girlfriend who doesn’t have much money managed to buy a million pound house soon after Farage received the donation!

    ...and? It's a bloody gift!!!!!!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    Andy_JS said:

    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/

    I am guessing there are brownfield sites in Enfield that should be developed for.

    Green belt development should be a last resort not the default
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited May 13

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    He is, but I don't believe he read that memo.
    He is loathed by people on the right. As we saw with Boris and Trump, being loathed by the ideologues on the other side is not necessarily a bar to high office. And unlike Boris or Trump he doesn’t take visible pleasure in trolling the other side.

    He has an Achilles heel in his ideological commitment to certain positions on energy that don’t necessarily bear scrutiny (his love of CCS for example), but on the big issue - the vital importance of addressing dangerous climate change - he is correct.

    Ed has more authenticity and charisma than any others barring the HMRC-compromised Rayner.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    Off to cinema not to see Michael as he is on public transport

    https://x.com/RockyAtotheK/status/2054306074644070646
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    Snowflake5
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    MelonB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    He is, but I don't believe he read that memo.
    He is loathed by people on the right. As we saw with Boris and Trump, being loathed by the ideologues on the other side is not necessarily a bad to high office. And unlike Boris or Trump he doesn’t take visible pleasure in trolling the other side.

    He has an Achilles heel in his ideological commitment to certain positions on energy that don’t necessarily bear scrutiny (his love of CCS for example), but on the big issue - the vital importance of addressing dangerous climate change - he is correct.

    Ed has more authenticity and charisma than any others barring the HMRC-compromised Rayner.
    But the media and social media love climate change denial. Trump hates Starmer, well he's going to despise Miliband even more.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    Jonathan said:

    Here’s a counter factual thought. What if Corbyn was still a Labour MP today.

    He'd be arguing with somebody. Corbyn is the man that founded his own party which immediately split into three parts and couldn't field any candidates. He was wasted in politics and would be better of as an advocate in a pressure group, where he could have argued his case, have a great YouTube channel, many subscribers, then cheerfully ignored and died happy and pointless.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
    Ha yes, but the interviewee, an HK lady in the US, said translation.

    Don’t you actually speak Chinese?
    Used to but it's rusty now.
    Names are very weird though. It's utterly baffling what can and can't be a name.
    The most usual way is to approximate the sound though.
    Which is why I said transliterate.
    It's also why so many Chinese girls adopt Lynn, Amy or Lily as their "English" names.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls

    Miliband will be more divisive and assertively tribal than Starmer. His floor may therefore be higher, especially if he mixes in a bit of rejoin. Most of Labour’s recent decline in polls has been to the Greens.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    @johnmcdonnellMP
    ·
    1h
    Just a thought. Wes Streeting owes his political status to the support he’s received over years from Peter Mandelson & Morgan McSweeney at Labour Together. He wouldn’t make a move against Keir Starmer without Mandelson’s say so. So look on this as Mandelson’s & Morgan’s revenge.

    This is why he cant win

    Can we get John McDonnell to stand?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142

    MelonB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    He is, but I don't believe he read that memo.
    He is loathed by people on the right. As we saw with Boris and Trump, being loathed by the ideologues on the other side is not necessarily a bad to high office. And unlike Boris or Trump he doesn’t take visible pleasure in trolling the other side.

    He has an Achilles heel in his ideological commitment to certain positions on energy that don’t necessarily bear scrutiny (his love of CCS for example), but on the big issue - the vital importance of addressing dangerous climate change - he is correct.

    Ed has more authenticity and charisma than any others barring the HMRC-compromised Rayner.
    But the media and social media love climate change denial. Trump hates Starmer, well he's going to despise Miliband even more.
    That’s a badge of honour. He should wear it with pride. Who wants to be associated with Trump anyway except corrupt scum like Farage?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    MelonB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    He is loathed
    He is, but I don't believe he read that memo.
    He is loathed by people on the right. As we saw with Boris and Trump, being loathed by the ideologues on the other side is not necessarily a bad to high office. And unlike Boris or Trump he doesn’t take visible pleasure in trolling the other side.

    He has an Achilles heel in his ideological commitment to certain positions on energy that don’t necessarily bear scrutiny (his love of CCS for example), but on the big issue - the vital importance of addressing dangerous climate change - he is correct.

    Ed has more authenticity and charisma than any others barring the HMRC-compromised Rayner.
    But the media and social media love climate change denial. Trump hates Starmer, well he's going to despise Miliband even more.
    The latter may also bolster Ed’s polling.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    MelonB said:

    Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls

    Miliband will be more divisive and assertively tribal than Starmer. His floor may therefore be higher, especially if he mixes in a bit of rejoin. Most of Labour’s recent decline in polls has been to the Greens.
    Labour's existential threat is from the Greens. They would still lose the next election to RefCon, but at least there might be a way back .
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    Barnesian said:

    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
    I appreciate that this may not be popular with some on PB, but anyone who signed up for an IOM payroll EBT scheme thinking that it was legitimate based on the legal opinion being touted by the scheme promoters is either not being honest with themselves or an idiot.

    Rayner's flat purchase was a 2nd home only because she is a trustee for her son's trust and is therefore considered to have an interest in the property held for him in trust. She should have taken proper legal advice and she shouldn't have tried to mislead everyone about the matter, but it's fairly clear that she considers that property to be her son's not hers and she will not have a financial interest in it once he's 18.
    He's already 18. His 18th birthday was on 9th April this year.
    Is that the reason for the HMRC delay? They've got to find a reason to level a penalty and interest on the tax due that can now be reclaimed.
  • MelonB said:

    Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls

    Miliband will be more divisive and assertively tribal than Starmer. His floor may therefore be higher, especially if he mixes in a bit of rejoin. Most of Labour’s recent decline in polls has been to the Greens.
    I just can’t see it. But it is possible my perspective is warped by a dislike for Ed’s politics

    However the polls suggest I’m right. He’s not liked. He won’t trouble Farage. And, worst of all, he has already been rejected by the voters. This is like serving a reheated meal that was already sent back to the kitchen

    Potentially disastrous for Labour
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 13

    Andy_JS said:

    Greens and Tories in Enfield likely to cooperate to stop new housebuilding on the green belt.

    https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/enfield-council-under-no-overall-control-as-tories-fall-one-seat-short-of-majority/

    I am guessing there are brownfield sites in Enfield that should be developed for.

    Green belt development should be a last resort not the default
    Good news, it's not the default, nowhere near.

    Whether this particular one is a decent idea would depend on the circumstances to be sure, not every scheme is good, but there seems to this impression that building on green belt is the norm. In part as people act like any field is green belt even in places with no green belt.

    As for last resort, developers will lie and claim it is last resort when it is not. But when it is, due to costs and complications of brownfield, would objections cease? Of course not.

    That's how you tell NIMBY from legitmate objection - when issue x is addressed, does objection remain?

    Time will tell on this. Unlike NIMBYs i may be predisposed to be in favour, but i'm not predetermined should info change.
  • Labour would be better waiting for Burnham than reluctantly accepting Miliband E
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142

    Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls

    Who cares about polls. It’s the GE that matters. Do you really think Labour under Ed would get 10-13% in a GE? Seriously?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 13

    MelonB said:

    Fair play to @TSE - if his 100/1 bet on Miliband comes in that might just be the best punt in PB history. Even better than OGH’s famous wager on the unknown Obama?

    It will just be terrible luck for the rest of us. Including Labour. I can see Miliband taking them down to around 10-13% in the polls

    Miliband will be more divisive and assertively tribal than Starmer. His floor may therefore be higher, especially if he mixes in a bit of rejoin. Most of Labour’s recent decline in polls has been to the Greens.
    I just can’t see it. But it is possible my perspective is warped by a dislike for Ed’s politics

    However the polls suggest I’m right. He’s not liked. He won’t trouble Farage. And, worst of all, he has already been rejected by the voters. This is like serving a reheated meal that was already sent back to the kitchen

    Potentially disastrous for Labour
    Last night's leftover pizza and curry can be great however. Perhaps that's him now, rather than reject. We had a bite, weren't feeling it, but now after sleep we're in the mood for it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,734
    edited May 13

    Labour would be better waiting for Burnham than reluctantly accepting Miliband E

    I don't believe Miliband Minor or Burnham are up to muster.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    Personally, if there’s an early contest, I can see Cooper as the unity candidate. Interesting times. Nearly pulling off the full Callaghan.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    kle4 said:

    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro

    Reform continuing to attract high quality people I see.
    The LDs suspended a councillor for antisemitic remarks only a matter of days ago. All parties have tainted representatives
    They do, the question is which has the most and how do they treat them.
    I am, in no way, supportive of Reform. Any new party achieving large numbers of novice councilors will almost inevitably not have robust enough vetting procedures. Older parties have had decades to put those in place.

    Reform has got to weed out those with dodgy track records more effectively and efficiently.

    Any new party has a steep learning curve. But the quality of council candidates has been dropping for a long time. So it will be an issue for all parties for the foreseeable future.
    But mainly Reform.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    edited May 13
    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
    Ha yes, but the interviewee, an HK lady in the US, said translation.

    Don’t you actually speak Chinese?
    Used to but it's rusty now.
    Names are very weird though. It's utterly baffling what can and can't be a name.
    The most usual way is to approximate the sound though.
    Which is why I said transliterate.
    It's also why so many Chinese girls adopt Lynn, Amy or Lily as their "English" names.
    Yes, I used to work for an hotel company in the sandpit, and the Chinese colleagues would often take a ‘Western’ name.

    Which was a nightmare as an IT admin. We’d see names like “Han Win Chee (Sophie)” in the database, with email address sophie.han@… IT and HR had so many crazy discussions about it!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671
    viewcode said:

    @johnmcdonnellMP
    ·
    1h
    Just a thought. Wes Streeting owes his political status to the support he’s received over years from Peter Mandelson & Morgan McSweeney at Labour Together. He wouldn’t make a move against Keir Starmer without Mandelson’s say so. So look on this as Mandelson’s & Morgan’s revenge.

    This is why he cant win

    Can we get John McDonnell to stand?
    I like and rate JM but that's completely ludicrous smearball that Streeting is a puppet of Mandelson.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323
    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
    Ha yes, but the interviewee, an HK lady in the US, said translation.

    Don’t you actually speak Chinese?
    Used to but it's rusty now.
    Names are very weird though. It's utterly baffling what can and can't be a name.
    The most usual way is to approximate the sound though.
    Which is why I said transliterate.
    It's also why so many Chinese girls adopt Lynn, Amy or Lily as their "English" names.
    Yes, I used to work for an hotel company in the sandpit, and the Chinese would often take a ‘Western’ name.

    Which was a nightmare as an IT admin. We’d see names like “Han Win Chee (Sophie)” in the database, with email address sophie.han@… IT and HR had so many crazy discussions about it!
    Certainly in Hong Kong, Western names are given as part of school English lessons; often old fashioned ones such as Grace. The other confusion of course is the Chinese write forenames and surnames the other way round, which is fair enough, except that Wikipedia insists on reordering names to the Western convention.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Really interesting story.

    US Secretaty of State Marco Rubio is officially sanctioned by China, for his outspoken support of the Hong Kong protestors five years ago.

    But he’s now the American foreign minister, so of course he’s going to China with the President and a massive trade delegation.

    So the Chinese made a subtle change to the translation of his name, and all of a sudden they have no record of him ever having being sanctioned, and they don’t lose face by overturning the old decision.

    https://x.com/glennbeck/status/2054603850989097348

    It’s a great insight into how different parts of the world work diplomatically.

    A pedant writes.
    Unlikely to be a translation.
    More a transliteration.
    Ha yes, but the interviewee, an HK lady in the US, said translation.

    Don’t you actually speak Chinese?
    Used to but it's rusty now.
    Names are very weird though. It's utterly baffling what can and can't be a name.
    The most usual way is to approximate the sound though.
    Which is why I said transliterate.
    It's also why so many Chinese girls adopt Lynn, Amy or Lily as their "English" names.
    I remember the Chinese/HK Chinese chaps at school all had Western first names. They always seemed to choose more uncommon names such as Eugene, Adrian, Brian, Dennis, Calvin to name a few.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Interestingly. The new character they've given Marco Rubio is a different "lu". 魯 (Lu-bi-o)

    It appears in culu (rude or crude) lumang (reckless) and apparently slow witted.

    I don't think Western reporters have quite twigged that.
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