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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Anyone eating them or just photographing them?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    IanB2 said:

    I wonder whether Streeting will come to understand that his timing has been seriously awry?

    How do you work out that Streeting not going immediately isn't the best option for him?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Rothbury, famous for Cragside and Raoul Moat.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    I wonder whether Streeting will come to understand that his timing has been seriously awry?

    How do you work out that Streeting not going immediately isn't the best option for him?
    Because he's unpopular so needed the chaos of immediate action before others are ready. As it is loyalists have firmed up and Burnham fans can make clear they'll oppose a Cabinet coup as they can trigger when the messiah is ready.

    He might still try but the sense of urgency is fading.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 629

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Black pudding and scallops, a classic for a reason.
    hmmm, I may pop out to Waitrose after work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    I admire his staying power. But honestly I'd rather Streeting.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A reminder why we are strict on certain comments. Remember what Dave said about Twitter?

    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.


    https://x.com/KTHopkins/status/2054492187665084827

    That last sentence sounds a bit like a threat to me.
    I joined X to get election results fast, last week, and it really is a cess pit of bigotry and stupidity.
    There's an excellent article from Nate Silver on just that issue.

    Basically, X has swung from one unrepresentative sample to another, only with added nastiness now.
    Top tip about X from a dinosaur:

    Follow no-one at all.
    Do whatever you have to do (can't remember what it was) to make sure you can access X but never post anything.
    Look at Matt once a day except when he goes on holiday and his days off.
    Have a couple of X accounts in mind to look at when stuff happens (eg Swinford), who will both inform and direct you to others.
    Never look below the line, for this way madness lies (but this applies to X, not PB where madness is partial and qualified)
    Finally, the best filter and pointer is a site called Political Betting where nice people look at stuff so you don't have to.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Why are you in a field?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    Dear Zara Soz

    Katie Hopkins
    @KTHopkins
    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    Dear Zara Soz

    Katie Hopkins
    @KTHopkins
    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.

    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana
    ·
    4h
    By the way, for future reference it’s Z-A-R-A-H.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    I knew either you or Frank Booth would do that.

    The nine Israeli soldiers suspected of the abuse were to appear before a military court Tuesday. Israelis have been rattled by the events, which have highlighted the deep political divisions in the country.

    A member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, speaking Monday at a meeting of lawmakers, justified the rape and abuse of Palestinian prisoners, shouting angrily at colleagues questioning the alleged behavior that anything was legitimate to do to "terrorists" in custody.

    Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"

    "Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905

    Burnham MPs getting ridiculous.

    “A contest with Burnham would be illegitimate.”

    He’s not an MP!

    There are 100% correct there - as Burnham isn't an MP he can't stand.

    So a contest at the moment with Burnham as a candidate wouldn't follow the Labour party's rulebook.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    eek said:

    Burnham MPs getting ridiculous.

    “A contest with Burnham would be illegitimate.”

    He’s not an MP!

    There are 100% correct there - as Burnham isn't an MP he can't stand.

    So a contest at the moment with Burnham as a candidate wouldn't follow the Labour party's rulebook.
    They would just be breaking Labour Party rules in a specific and limited way. Nothing to worry about.
  • kle4 said:

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Anyone eating them or just photographing them?
    They are all “influencers”. Visuals first
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Dear Zara Soz

    Katie Hopkins
    @KTHopkins
    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.

    "Very great pleasure". Sure
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    edited May 13

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    Have they finally realised? I was looking forward to the first meeting between PM Rayner and Trump. Box office. 'Complete liability' hardly captures the televisuals of a Rayner regime.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Which one is called the Rothbury Black Pudding? The other three having the same nickname must be confusing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    I knew either you or Frank Booth would do that.

    The nine Israeli soldiers suspected of the abuse were to appear before a military court Tuesday. Israelis have been rattled by the events, which have highlighted the deep political divisions in the country.

    A member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, speaking Monday at a meeting of lawmakers, justified the rape and abuse of Palestinian prisoners, shouting angrily at colleagues questioning the alleged behavior that anything was legitimate to do to "terrorists" in custody.

    Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"

    "Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/
    I thought you were a lawyer.

    There’s precisely no evidence for any of the depictions in the NYT piece, which even they categorise as “opinion”.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    kle4 said:

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Anyone eating them or just photographing them?
    They are all “influencers”. Visuals first
    Influencer is an honest term about seeking to, well, influence, but i preferred 'content creator' because at least the emphasis was implied to be about what they produced and not just what they could get viewers to do (ie buy things usually).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    Catching up on more election results.

    "Labour has lost control of Gateshead Council for the first time in 52 years after Reform UK won a majority of seats.

    Newly elected Reform councillor Fiona Pearce said people felt a vote for Labour was "just voting for the status quo".

    Martin Gannon, who has worked as a Gateshead councillor since 1984 and led the council for 10 years, was one of a number of Labour politicians to lose their seats.

    He said people across the country were "angry and dissatisfied".

    "And I don't blame them - I feel exactly the same way," he said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74rzngng8jo
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858
    IanB2 said:

    I wonder whether Streeting will come to understand that his timing has been seriously awry?

    It's probably as good as it gets for Wes, timing-wise.

    By throwing his hat in the ring now, he has a smallish chance. If he waits any longer, that chance goes in a puff of smoke.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,447

    kle4 said:

    Rothbury black pudding with Coquet Island scallops!


    Anyone eating them or just photographing them?
    They are all “influencers”. Visuals first
    Typo in "wankers" there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    I knew either you or Frank Booth would do that.

    The nine Israeli soldiers suspected of the abuse were to appear before a military court Tuesday. Israelis have been rattled by the events, which have highlighted the deep political divisions in the country.

    A member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, speaking Monday at a meeting of lawmakers, justified the rape and abuse of Palestinian prisoners, shouting angrily at colleagues questioning the alleged behavior that anything was legitimate to do to "terrorists" in custody.

    Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"

    "Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/
    I thought you were a lawyer.

    There’s precisely no evidence for any of the depictions in the NYT piece, which even they categorise as “opinion”.
    If only journalists were allowed into Gaza.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,842

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Will you rejoin Labour if EICIPM?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    People following my advice and cashing out our Wes Streeting bets.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Because those on the left of the party have decided the bacon sandwich eating ghoul deserves a second opportunity to kill the party, dead.

    Mind you I am not keen on Streeting either, but he's head and shoulders better than Miliband.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    tlg86 said:

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Will you rejoin Labour if EICIPM?
    No I might if ABICIPM though as long as the Labour Together lot are removed from the levers of power.

    So given thats not going to happen short term I will likely be in the Greens till GE2029
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142
    edited May 13
    Chaos with Ed Milliband. Love it!

    Just imagine if you lot had voted Labour and EICIPM like myself back in 2015, we would had chaos back then. Instead you fools voted Tory for a strong and stable government! LOLz
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    There’s no world where it’s a good idea . I’d rather Starmer stayed on .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    The same David Cameron that drove this country into the mire with the calamity of Brexit. Let’s not forget…
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Get the Millifandom hashtag out of mothballs
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934
    kle4 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    I admire his staying power. But honestly I'd rather Streeting.
    You think he might be quality?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080

    Get the Millifandom hashtag out of mothballs

    God, I remember that. What an idiot she was
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Because those on the left of the party have decided the bacon sandwich eating ghoul deserves a second opportunity to kill the party, dead.

    Mind you I am not keen on Streeting either, but he's head and shoulders better than Miliband.
    Streeting is the most right wing alternative so i can see why you would prefer him.

    Andy Burnham is by far the most popular Labour politician but you called him a wanker so that says it all Pete.

    You do not want to stop Reform you want the right wing cult to retain control despite the worst results EVER
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    Polanski won't be leader by then
  • CJtheOptimistCJtheOptimist Posts: 338
    I know this is completely off the wall, but is it possible Starmer and Streeting have done some sort of deal that keeps Starmer in power and the other non viable candidates out (while Starmer has been terrible, I'm struggling to see anyone who looks any any better in the PLP, and so change of leader right now would not be good for the country) with some sort of sweetener for Streeting further down the line? So basically we are going to see some sort of staged performance play out if the next few days with the aim of maintaining the status quo? Or is this too devious for the Labour Party?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Because those on the left of the party have decided the bacon sandwich eating ghoul deserves a second opportunity to kill the party, dead.

    Mind you I am not keen on Streeting either, but he's head and shoulders better than Miliband.
    The Starmer plan is to let each of his rivals spend a day as favourite on Betfair and let the party think about the future under each alternative.

    Never underestimate a lawyer!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    Sean_F said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    It's the sort of stuff that Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, or some units of the Imperial Japanese Army, did. I tried to read Iris Chang's account of the Rape of Nanking, and and I had to give up, it was so nauseating. I doubt if anyone will ever write a history of the Dirlewangers, because no one would have the stomach for it.
    Have you read the Ian Toll Pacific War Trilogy?

    The Rape of Nanking was far from the worst think the Imperial Japanese Army did. The descriptions of the army going on a wild rampage in the Philippines at the end of the war, killing and raping, because they knew they were going to die, were practically unreadable for me.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905

    I know this is completely off the wall, but is it possible Starmer and Streeting have done some sort of deal that keeps Starmer in power and the other non viable candidates out (while Starmer has been terrible, I'm struggling to see anyone who looks any any better in the PLP, and so change of leader right now would not be good for the country) with some sort of sweetener for Streeting further down the line? So basically we are going to see some sort of staged performance play out if the next few days with the aim of maintaining the status quo? Or is this too devious for the Labour Party?

    That would require a level of competency we haven't seen from either Wes or SKS..
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    Miliband.. unthinkable.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    + if Ed has done a decent job he will be the David Cameron safe pair of hands in the election.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 34
    Perhaps people might consider that like Ed John Sweeny was ousted by his Party and he just won an election with more MSP's than his four main rivals put together.

    Peter.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 629

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    Streeting needs to move now if he's going to.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    eek said:

    I know this is completely off the wall, but is it possible Starmer and Streeting have done some sort of deal that keeps Starmer in power and the other non viable candidates out (while Starmer has been terrible, I'm struggling to see anyone who looks any any better in the PLP, and so change of leader right now would not be good for the country) with some sort of sweetener for Streeting further down the line? So basically we are going to see some sort of staged performance play out if the next few days with the aim of maintaining the status quo? Or is this too devious for the Labour Party?

    That would require a level of competency we haven't seen from either Wes or SKS..
    To be fair, mastering internal Labour party politics is the one thing you can give Starmer credit for.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,008
    kle4 said:

    Dear Zara Soz

    Katie Hopkins
    @KTHopkins
    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.

    "Very great pleasure". Sure
    "It is my very great pleasure to do this,"... given the alternatives.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142
    edited May 13

    Miliband.. unthinkable.

    Why? Let’s see how he does if given the chance. Surely he will be better than the last 4 or 5 Prime Ministers. That of course is a ridiculously low bar…
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    OMG Labour First/Together splintering before your eyes
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    Selebian said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    This is a seat on the train back to Manchester?
    At rush hour? He must have booked it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    Polanski won't be leader by then
    If the Parliamentary Privileges Commissioner takes his role seriously Farage might not even be an MP.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    Found a seat = persuaded someone to stand down for him, which usually ends badly in terms of the by-election result.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    edited May 13
    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    Found a seat = persuaded someone to stand down for him, which usually ends badly in terms of the by-election result.
    🎶🎵Vote, vote, vote for Patrick Gordon Walker🎵🎶
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,137

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    Exactly. Truly embarrassing of TSE to be repeating a widely discredit bull***t report from the NYT. Of course Israel is capable of committing war crimes. No country isn't. But the attempt at moral equivalence is astonishing. Hamas's actions were not the exception but the norm.

    And I have to say that if Israel had committed the kind of atrocities that we saw on October 7 and then we'd immediately had endless pro Israel marches on our streets I would have been appalled by it. Many British Jews are certainly supportive of Israel but they're generally pretty moderate. Take Lord Danny Finkelstein. He wrote a piece after October 7 setting out his Zionism and support for Israel. But he also acknowledged that Palestinians had a right to self determination and a state of their own. It was an attempt to build bridges and get dialogue going between both sides. And he didn't get a single response. Nobody on the pro Palestine side wanted to engage in any dialogue with him. There is nothing constructive there. Just blind fanaticism and a projection of their resentment and grievance at our own society.

    We can't just blame TSE for falling for ludicrous news stories. The NYT is arguably the most prestigious newspaper in the western world. Yet this cancer is not the product of backstreet chatter or social media bile. It's infected what would once have been called the chattering classes. The supposedly educated and informed. Getting rid of it will be a huge task.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,623

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    I'd be a rich man if I had a pound for every time it's breathlessly reported that Burnham has 'found a seat' over the last few months.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    Is he well positioned? It appears so.

    Is he up for the fight? Hell yeah.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 41,035
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    It's the sort of stuff that Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, or some units of the Imperial Japanese Army, did. I tried to read Iris Chang's account of the Rape of Nanking, and and I had to give up, it was so nauseating. I doubt if anyone will ever write a history of the Dirlewangers, because no one would have the stomach for it.
    Have you read the Ian Toll Pacific War Trilogy?

    The Rape of Nanking was far from the worst think the Imperial Japanese Army did. The descriptions of the army going on a wild rampage in the Philippines at the end of the war, killing and raping, because they knew they were going to die, were practically unreadable for me.
    Oh yes, I read Max Hastings' account. Then there was the Three Alls Campaign in China (Kill All, Burn All, Destroy All). If you think their treatment of European prisoners was bad (it was), it was nothing to their treatment of Chinese prisoners.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733
    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    Perhaps that is Burnham's cunning plan. It would be his worst cunning plan.
  • I have never met him personally but Starmer is apparently according to his cousin extremely funny and personable in person.

    He is just unable to show this as PM. I wonder if like Ed M in 10 years he will project himself differently.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    If Starmer stands surely those who want Burnham are going to support the PM?
  • Selebian said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    This is a seat on the train back to Manchester?
    Hopefully in the quiet carriage ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    Sweeney74 said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    Streeting needs to move now if he's going to.
    Makes bugger all difference

    Whoever stands against him wins

    WSWNBPM
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142
    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    Let’s see how he does? The person who beat him in 2015 started the sharp downward spiral for this country. Democracy is no panacea as we all know. It often leads to very sub optimal outcomes. Let’s just give him a chance and see how he does. He might surprise even you Andy!
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    Streeting would clearly be a disaster. Noone has a good word to say about him.

    Ed might struggle to get re-elected but there is a chance he might do something with 2-3 years and their huge majority. And doing *something* might just be the magic route to winning back some lost votes.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    It would depend how he did wouldn't it.
    He was up against the incumbent last time, this time he would be the incumbent and facing a right split between Farage and Badenoch, not the same circumstances.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671
    edited May 13
    Well at least all this ensures less coverage of Trump farting about in China.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,137

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    I don't share your view of Burnham, I just see him as full of himself and consistently showing poor judgment.

    I do agree with you on Milliband. Streeting has limited real world and ministerial experience and doesn't have much to offer except more small c conservatism. Milliband might make something actually happen.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    It would depend how he did wouldn't it.
    He was up against the incumbent last time, this time he would be the incumbent and facing a right split between Farage and Badenoch, not the same circumstances.
    Obviously I'd rather it was John McDonnell :wink:
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    Found a seat = persuaded someone to stand down for him, which usually ends badly in terms of the by-election result.
    🎶🎵Vote, vote, vote for Patrick Gordon Walker🎵🎶
    Good having a memory, isn't it!

    Wilson lost an election in 1970, stayed a leader and came back to win in 1974.

    Mind, if Heath had had any sense and offered Jeremy Thorpe some acceptable form of PR in February 74 Wilson would have stayed LOTO!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    kinabalu said:

    Well at least all this ensures less coverage of Trump farting about in China.

    No doubt he'll be asked his opinion on the candidates. The coveted attack from Trump could give Miliband a boost.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    Selebian said:

    Sky

    Saying Burnham has found a seat but Sky awaits confirmation

    This is a seat on the train back to Manchester?
    First Class, just like Corbyn.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    edited May 13
    "It's been revealed that far-left Green party leader Zack Polanski is currently living in a £2m 5-bedroom Hackney townhouse.

    Data says 0.5% of the population live in a house worth more than £2m".

    Translation He lives in one room and shares rental with other occupants. While we are at it he travels around in a £10m vehicle also known as a Tube train.

    Bastard Hypocrite
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    edited May 13
    Hell of a hailstorm here, I know a few have noted them. About 80% ground cover on the drive, quickly melting, rivulets forming along the street. I hope the level of icing hasn't made driving difficult as the wife will be on commute. The thunder and lightning continue but the hail has abated.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411

    "It's been revealed that far-left Green party leader Zack Polanski is currently living in a £2m 5-bedroom Hackney townhouse.

    Data says 0.5% of the population live in a house worth more than £2m".

    Translation He lives in one room and shares rental with other occupants. While we are at it he travels around in a £10m vehicle also known as a Tube train.

    Bastard Hypocrite

    Vince Cable, when a Minister in the Coalition , travelled to Westminster by Tube.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    In 2015 Miliband gained seats in England, just lost them in Scotland to the SNP, and the Tories gained Lib Dem seats.

    You could just as easily say that Farage has been rejected multiple times at GE.

    Is he the best availible option for Labour? Probably so.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878
    This reminds me a little bit of the US comedy series Soap - their recaps of the story so far.

    Streeting might now be worried that if he pulls the trigger it's Ed.
    Ed is hoping nobody notices that he had phone lines installed weeks ago.
    Angela feels left out and is considering making up with Keir.
    Andy is telling himself and anyone that'll listen that he deserves this.
    and military Al has got his full set of toy soldiers laid out in a battleplan.

    What could happen next? Find out in today's Soap!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,137

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    Exactly. Truly embarrassing of TSE to be repeating a widely discredit bull***t report from the NYT. Of course Israel is capable of committing war crimes. No country isn't. But the attempt at moral equivalence is astonishing. Hamas's actions were not the exception but the norm.

    And I have to say that if Israel had committed the kind of atrocities that we saw on October 7 and then we'd immediately had endless pro Israel marches on our streets I would have been appalled by it. Many British Jews are certainly supportive of Israel but they're generally pretty moderate. Take Lord Danny Finkelstein. He wrote a piece after October 7 setting out his Zionism and support for Israel. But he also acknowledged that Palestinians had a right to self determination and a state of their own. It was an attempt to build bridges and get dialogue going between both sides. And he didn't get a single response. Nobody on the pro Palestine side wanted to engage in any dialogue with him. There is nothing constructive there. Just blind fanaticism and a projection of their resentment and grievance at our own society.

    We can't just blame TSE for falling for ludicrous news stories. The NYT is arguably the most prestigious newspaper in the western world. Yet this cancer is not the product of backstreet chatter or social media bile. It's infected what would once have been called the chattering classes. The supposedly educated and informed. Getting rid of it will be a huge task.
    Astonishing that you use a picture of the Hitch really.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    St Helens election.

    "Reform UK secured a stunning victory in St Helens as the incumbent Labour administration were all but wiped out in the Merseyside borough.

    Nigel Farage's party claimed 34 of the 48 seats that make up the council - having previously held none.

    To compound Labour's misery, council leader Anthony Burns lost his seat to Reform in the Blackbrook ward."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g42xleqvpo
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    Nigelb - Thanks for the tip on the Disraeli novel, and my apologies for being slow to say so. (Monday's weaher here was close to perfect, and Tuesday's was quite good. But it is raining here today, which will encourage me to catch up on things.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411
    Omnium said:

    This reminds me a little bit of the US comedy series Soap - their recaps of the story so far.

    Streeting might now be worried that if he pulls the trigger it's Ed.
    Ed is hoping nobody notices that he had phone lines installed weeks ago.
    Angela feels left out and is considering making up with Keir.
    Andy is telling himself and anyone that'll listen that he deserves this.
    and military Al has got his full set of toy soldiers laid out in a battleplan.

    What could happen next? Find out in today's Soap!

    Why does anyone need phone lines installed nowadays?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know about others but I'm seeing some of the details from the latest report on the October 7 atrocities on my social media. I can't say I want to read it all in detail but it comes across as the most disgusting, depraved, sadistic, purposefully cruel thing I've ever seen. Someone like Sean F will know more with regard to behaviour in other wars and how rare it is but let us reflect on two and a half years of protest on our streets by people who it is hard to imagine ever considering any of that and many would probably deny it happened. We shouldn't hide our anger about what has happened to this country.

    I don't think the sadistic acts perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th are that unusual. British forces fighting the Indian Mutiny in 1857 did horrific things, and Russian forces in Ukraine also.

    What arguably sets the events of October 7th apart is that atrocities were not committed following a battle to take territory. The atrocities on October 7th were the entire purpose of the attacks. They were the beginning and end of the Hamas strategy.
    The Russians certainly committed horrific rape and torture. But the bodily mutilation? And of course the cruelty of sending the videos to the relatives so they could see what was happening to their loved ones. I suppose that's only been a modern phenomenon.
    People support Israel out on the streets of Britain despite the IDF doing this, whilst the Israeli government doesn't prosecute the guilty parties and passes Apartheid like laws.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html
    Good to see the NY Times using Hamas terrorists as their sources. Again.

    https://x.com/danfriedman81/status/2054376055209701519

    The New York Times has been repeatedly tricked by Palestinian terrorists into publishing false stories that end up requiring major corrections or “editor’s notes.”

    Perhaps they were just trying to get in ahead of the Oct7 report of what Hamas were doing.
    Exactly. Truly embarrassing of TSE to be repeating a widely discredit bull***t report from the NYT. Of course Israel is capable of committing war crimes. No country isn't. But the attempt at moral equivalence is astonishing. Hamas's actions were not the exception but the norm.

    And I have to say that if Israel had committed the kind of atrocities that we saw on October 7 and then we'd immediately had endless pro Israel marches on our streets I would have been appalled by it. Many British Jews are certainly supportive of Israel but they're generally pretty moderate. Take Lord Danny Finkelstein. He wrote a piece after October 7 setting out his Zionism and support for Israel. But he also acknowledged that Palestinians had a right to self determination and a state of their own. It was an attempt to build bridges and get dialogue going between both sides. And he didn't get a single response. Nobody on the pro Palestine side wanted to engage in any dialogue with him. There is nothing constructive there. Just blind fanaticism and a projection of their resentment and grievance at our own society.

    We can't just blame TSE for falling for ludicrous news stories. The NYT is arguably the most prestigious newspaper in the western world. Yet this cancer is not the product of backstreet chatter or social media bile. It's infected what would once have been called the chattering classes. The supposedly educated and informed. Getting rid of it will be a huge task.
    Astonishing that you use a picture of the Hitch really.
    Why?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,887
    kinabalu said:

    Well at least all this ensures less coverage of Trump farting about in China.

    And possibly following through. Interesting to see how traditional Chinese politesse deals with it.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,492
    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    Andy_JS said:

    St Helens election.

    "Reform UK secured a stunning victory in St Helens as the incumbent Labour administration were all but wiped out in the Merseyside borough.

    Nigel Farage's party claimed 34 of the 48 seats that make up the council - having previously held none.

    To compound Labour's misery, council leader Anthony Burns lost his seat to Reform in the Blackbrook ward."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g42xleqvpo

    You're five days late.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    If Wes Streeting could avoid resigning between 9am and 1pm I would be very grateful.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878

    Omnium said:

    This reminds me a little bit of the US comedy series Soap - their recaps of the story so far.

    Streeting might now be worried that if he pulls the trigger it's Ed.
    Ed is hoping nobody notices that he had phone lines installed weeks ago.
    Angela feels left out and is considering making up with Keir.
    Andy is telling himself and anyone that'll listen that he deserves this.
    and military Al has got his full set of toy soldiers laid out in a battleplan.

    What could happen next? Find out in today's Soap!

    Why does anyone need phone lines installed nowadays?
    I think he's using the plan he copied from his brother's scrapbook.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,137

    "It's been revealed that far-left Green party leader Zack Polanski is currently living in a £2m 5-bedroom Hackney townhouse.

    Data says 0.5% of the population live in a house worth more than £2m".

    Translation He lives in one room and shares rental with other occupants. While we are at it he travels around in a £10m vehicle also known as a Tube train.

    Bastard Hypocrite

    Vince Cable, when a Minister in the Coalition , travelled to Westminster by Tube.
    It was worse than that - SW Trains!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411

    Andy_JS said:

    St Helens election.

    "Reform UK secured a stunning victory in St Helens as the incumbent Labour administration were all but wiped out in the Merseyside borough.

    Nigel Farage's party claimed 34 of the 48 seats that make up the council - having previously held none.

    To compound Labour's misery, council leader Anthony Burns lost his seat to Reform in the Blackbrook ward."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g42xleqvpo

    You're five days late.
    St Helens Rugby League side were severely done over by Wigan on Saturday though.
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