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  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 577

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    And the LibDems losing seats to the Tories as progressives deserted them.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 265
    PJH said:



    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.

    Or, to put it another way, the best government we had in the past three decades.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,475
    Thankw for the header, @TSE .

    We also have for next week: "It all went Wes' ", I suppose.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    KnightOut said:

    PJH said:



    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.

    Or, to put it another way, the best government we had in the past three decades.
    The government that screwed any student foolish enough to go to university on false promises and via austerity created a whole set of problems for local authorities via reduced maintenance that Reform are now milking any way they can.

    History won't look well upon those years.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro
  • Herner_WerzogHerner_Werzog Posts: 16
    PJH said:

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    I don't share your view of Burnham, I just see him as full of himself and consistently showing poor judgment.

    I do agree with you on Milliband. Streeting has limited real world and ministerial experience and doesn't have much to offer except more small c conservatism. Milliband might make something actually happen.
    In terms of real world experience is Streeting as limited as you suggest?

    Streeting is a former National Union of Students President, consultant for Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Chief Executive for an educational charity and a local councillor, Miliband is a former media researcher and SpAd. Streeting's back story and life experience is certainly more vivid than Milbands.

    Miliband has more ministerial experience, 3 years in the Brown government, albeit as Chancellor of Duchy of Lancaster and Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, plus his current post of Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero. But he's hardly Winston Churchill in terms of the range and length of his ministerial experience. Miliband manages a budget just shy of £7bn. Streeting manages a department which spends £219 billion and employs 1.5 million staff.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Just watch, after all that he’ll “reflect” overnight and back Starmer in the morning, and all of this nuttiness will have been for naught.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    On HS2: About which I know almost nothing. But if a transportation project makes economic sense, it should be possible to pay for it with user fees, with perhaps some help from government if there are substantial external benefits.

    But perhaps I am missing something essential about the proposals.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    murali_s said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    The same David Cameron that drove this country into the mire with the calamity of Brexit. Let’s not forget…
    We the public did that. It can be argued he should not have chanced it, but he told us not to do it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411
    edited May 13
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    The same David Cameron that drove this country into the mire with the calamity of Brexit. Let’s not forget…
    We the public did that. It can be argued he should not have chanced it, but he told us not to do it.
    Fair point. But he handled the referendum badly. And ran away when the result didn't go his way.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING:

    Sir Keir Starmer has made clear to allies that he will stand and fight if Wes Streeting succeeds in triggering a leadership contest

    The prime minister has spent the afternoon meeting ministers and Labour MPs in Parliament as he attempts to see off a potential leadership challenge

    Loyal cabinet ministers have also been working the tearooms urging colleagues not to "plunge the party into chaos"

    They have been warning that a leadership election would paralyse the government for months

    Starmer's allies are convinced that Streeting will fail to get the 81 MPs he needs to mount a formal challenge. But if he does, the message is that he will fight
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204
    MattW said:

    Thankw for the header, @TSE .

    We also have for next week: "It all went Wes' ", I suppose.

    If Streeting ties with Ed or whoever by receiving equal numbers of MP nominations, you could have "Wes Tied Story"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING:

    Sir Keir Starmer has made clear to allies that he will stand and fight if Wes Streeting succeeds in triggering a leadership contest

    The prime minister has spent the afternoon meeting ministers and Labour MPs in Parliament as he attempts to see off a potential leadership challenge

    Loyal cabinet ministers have also been working the tearooms urging colleagues not to "plunge the party into chaos"

    They have been warning that a leadership election would paralyse the government for months

    Starmer's allies are convinced that Streeting will fail to get the 81 MPs he needs to mount a formal challenge. But if he does, the message is that he will fight

    Good. Win or lose, have some fight.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    PJH said:

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    I don't share your view of Burnham, I just see him as full of himself and consistently showing poor judgment.

    I do agree with you on Milliband. Streeting has limited real world and ministerial experience and doesn't have much to offer except more small c conservatism. Milliband might make something actually happen.
    In what ways is Streeting a small-c conservative?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING:

    Sir Keir Starmer has made clear to allies that he will stand and fight if Wes Streeting succeeds in triggering a leadership contest

    The prime minister has spent the afternoon meeting ministers and Labour MPs in Parliament as he attempts to see off a potential leadership challenge

    Loyal cabinet ministers have also been working the tearooms urging colleagues not to "plunge the party into chaos"

    They have been warning that a leadership election would paralyse the government for months

    Starmer's allies are convinced that Streeting will fail to get the 81 MPs he needs to mount a formal challenge. But if he does, the message is that he will fight

    Could be coordinated to scupper the other candidates and turn it into a coronation for Wes.
  • Dave was a better option than Ed M.

    But Ed M is a better option than Farage.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    If nothing happens tomorrow (which I think is distinctly possible) we can focus on the 2nd semi final of the Eurovision tomorrow night instead.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,475
    kle4 said:

    Dear Zara Soz

    Katie Hopkins
    @KTHopkins
    On behalf of their client, Zara Sultana, Bindmans Media and Information Law Practise Group requires that I publish the following statement on X, and that such statement must be clearly visible and pinned to my
    profile for a continuous period of no less than 24 hours:

    “On 30 March 2026, I published a post on my X account addressed to Zarah Sultana in which I stated that she encourages and incites violence and is friends with terrorists.

    Those statements are false. I was wrong and offer my sincere apologies to Ms Sultana for the harm and distress caused to her.”

    It is my very great pleasure to do this, and I reiterate my sincere and repeated offer to meet with Miss Zara Sultana in person to resolve our differences.

    "Very great pleasure". Sure
    Well, it's cheaper than £500k.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    On HS2: About which I know almost nothing. But if a transportation project makes economic sense, it should be possible to pay for it with user fees, with perhaps some help from government if there are substantial external benefits.

    But perhaps I am missing something essential about the proposals.

    Indeed so, but the whole project needs to be completed before any user fees can be charged, so there’s massive upfront funding and financing required.

    If the project ends up late because of government issues such as land banking (eminent domain, to an American) or environmental reviews, then the interest on the accrued debt adds even more to the project cost and makes the project less viable as a purely commercial enterprise.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,475

    Get the Millifandom hashtag out of mothballs

    We'll have to talk about the spat as to who started it !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    Freshwater Strategy

    ➡️Ref: 29% (+3)
    🔵Con: 20% (+1)
    🔴Lab: 18% (-4)
    🟠Lib: 14% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 12% (-3)

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2054597003997258169
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Andy_JS said:

    Freshwater Strategy

    ➡️Ref: 29% (+3)
    🔵Con: 20% (+1)
    🔴Lab: 18% (-4)
    🟠Lib: 14% (+1)
    🟢Grn: 12% (-3)

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2054597003997258169

    Greens on the slide, disappointment at the good not amazing locals?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    ...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Burnham back as fav.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING:

    Sir Keir Starmer has made clear to allies that he will stand and fight if Wes Streeting succeeds in triggering a leadership contest

    The prime minister has spent the afternoon meeting ministers and Labour MPs in Parliament as he attempts to see off a potential leadership challenge

    Loyal cabinet ministers have also been working the tearooms urging colleagues not to "plunge the party into chaos"

    They have been warning that a leadership election would paralyse the government for months

    Starmer's allies are convinced that Streeting will fail to get the 81 MPs he needs to mount a formal challenge. But if he does, the message is that he will fight

    Yawn

    Starmer hasn't enough political capital left for a fight.

    He isn't a fighter otherwise he would have fought for some of the policies that he has been forced to scrap.

    Far better to walk away than to be kicked out in defeat.

    Go now and he might be invited back in a few years to a senior cabinet role. Hang on and be kicked our, he is never returning to public life.

    Time to go with dignity
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    Burnham back as fav.

    Has he finally told us his cunning plan?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,434
    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    If Miliband (or any other potential new leader) can show actual "things get better for people" results in the couple of years before the GE then he should have a decent shot at winning it. If we continue to circle the drain then he's going to be toast and nobody taking over with a few months left on the clock is likely to be able to avert disaster (since Labour have no equivalent of Boris Johnson's charisma and voter appeal). So I think MPs and Labour members should pick whoever has the best shot at getting something done, not try to guess who might have slightly more or less popularity with voters.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Burnham back as fav.

    Has he finally told us his cunning plan?
    He gives the impression of a fresh start, which no other candidates can, at least not as plausibly. I suspect that's worth a lot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    pm215 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    If Miliband (or any other potential new leader) can show actual "things get better for people" results in the couple of years before the GE then he should have a decent shot at winning it. If we continue to circle the drain then he's going to be toast and nobody taking over with a few months left on the clock is likely to be able to avert disaster (since Labour have no equivalent of Boris Johnson's charisma and voter appeal). So I think MPs and Labour members should pick whoever has the best shot at getting something done, not try to guess who might have slightly more or less popularity with voters.
    Yes, the guesses are often wrong anyway, but if people feel ok the public are forgiving about policy.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,355
    pm215 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    If Miliband (or any other potential new leader) can show actual "things get better for people" results in the couple of years before the GE then he should have a decent shot at winning it. If we continue to circle the drain then he's going to be toast and nobody taking over with a few months left on the clock is likely to be able to avert disaster (since Labour have no equivalent of Boris Johnson's charisma and voter appeal). So I think MPs and Labour members should pick whoever has the best shot at getting something done, not try to guess who might have slightly more or less popularity with voters.
    The difficulty with that is that it's Miliband's (and any other potential Labour leader's) policies of net zero zealotry and tax and spend that are the reason the country is getting worse rather than better.

    I think what might conceivably save them is not any success on their part, but that the alternatives might be seen as slightly worse.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Are you still a SWFC fan?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    kinabalu said:

    Well at least all this ensures less coverage of Trump farting about in China.

    No doubt he'll be asked his opinion on the candidates. The coveted attack from Trump could give Miliband a boost.
    Yes that's gold dust these days.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Too far down the road for that now.

    But the comment is interesting because it reveals the worry on the right of the Labour Party that it opens the door to the left.

    With Starmer clearly indicating that he will fight, it brings home the fact that the Starmer/McSweeney/Akehurst/Streeting faction will be putting two candidates forward to the members and union affiliates ballot. That is not going to help Streeting get beyond the first round. I expect Miliband or Rayner only to reach the members ballot and then to make it to the final round with Burnham's backing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    PJH said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    And Miliband was up against a falsely positive view of Cameron - who was flattered by being forced to be in a coalition with the LDs who (with hindsight) significantly restricted the Conservatives' ability to do bonkers stuff, as subsequent events have shown.
    What really did for Miliband was Scotland. He gained seats from both Tories and Lib Dems elsewhere.
    Not this again.

    Even if Labour had won every seat in Scotland Dave would still have had a majority.
    Scotland did do for Miliband. Remember "coalition of chaos" and that artwork of Miliband in Salmond's pocket? All over Conservative election literature in England.
    We had those down here in Wiltshire.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    It was more than a decade ago, that's fine for a second chance.

    Bad idea though.
    And the alternative was David Cameron.

    In 2028/9 the alternative will be Farage or Polanski.
    The same David Cameron that drove this country into the mire with the calamity of Brexit. Let’s not forget…
    We the public did that. It can be argued he should not have chanced it, but he told us not to do it.
    Fair point. But he handled the referendum badly. And ran away when the result didn't go his way.
    "Here's a box, what ever you do don't open it!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    If the Greens fade and the Tories don't meekly disappear, yes.

    Plus if they avoid economic disaster.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    edited May 13
    It's funny looking back but I really wanted Ed M to become Prime Minister in 2015 because I disliked the coalition so much. Even though I'd become slightly irritated by his pursuit of illegal phone hacking but only at News International and not all the other news groups. I realise now that unlike Starmer he's a dreamer in the John Lennon sense. That bothers me.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    If Starmer stands against Streeting, would Miliband also stand or would the Soft Left back Starmer on the basis Burnham is coming soon?

    The risk would be if Streeting won.

    OK, they might think they would then get Burnham (or Miliband if Burnham can't win a seat) to challenge Streeting.

    But they would know that a third Labour PM this Parliament would mean they had repeated what the Conservatives did in the last Parliament - and it would look terrible to the public.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    Fishing said:

    pm215 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Do Ed fans on here actually want him to face the electorate at the next general election given that they, the voters, rejected him more than 10 years ago, or would he just be there for a short time before being replaced by someone else before the next election?

    If Miliband (or any other potential new leader) can show actual "things get better for people" results in the couple of years before the GE then he should have a decent shot at winning it. If we continue to circle the drain then he's going to be toast and nobody taking over with a few months left on the clock is likely to be able to avert disaster (since Labour have no equivalent of Boris Johnson's charisma and voter appeal). So I think MPs and Labour members should pick whoever has the best shot at getting something done, not try to guess who might have slightly more or less popularity with voters.
    The difficulty with that is that it's Miliband's (and any other potential Labour leader's) policies of net zero zealotry and tax and spend that are the reason the country is getting worse rather than better.

    I think what might conceivably save them is not any success on their part, but that the alternatives might be seen as slightly worse.
    Oh no, net zero is making us less dependent on oil & gas prices that have gone through the roof. Disaster!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142
    Ed for me. If not Ed, then SKS. The rest are just a waste of time. Andy Burnham isn’t even a MP - are people forgetting this?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Seems like value imo.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    edited May 13


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Too far down the road for that now.

    But the comment is interesting because it reveals the worry on the right of the Labour Party that it opens the door to the left.

    With Starmer clearly indicating that he will fight, it brings home the fact that the Starmer/McSweeney/Akehurst/Streeting faction will be putting two candidates forward to the members and union affiliates ballot. That is not going to help Streeting get beyond the first round. I expect Miliband or Rayner only to reach the members ballot and then to make it to the final round with Burnham's backing.
    There is only one round of voting.

    Whoever gets nominations from 81 MPs + 5% of CLPs/unions goes to the ballot of members / affiliates.

    They vote using preferential system.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    WS Fans please explain why your mans odds are drifting!!

    Are you still a SWFC fan?
    Only been a few times in past couple of years and doing non league with Staveley MWFC as well as groundhopping.

    Been to 151 games this season at 114 grounds
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    If nothing happens tomorrow (which I think is distinctly possible) we can focus on the 2nd semi final of the Eurovision tomorrow night instead.

    Last episode of "The Boys" is next week
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Rayner should back Streeting. Miliband and Burnham are retreads from a previous generation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    murali_s said:

    Ed for me. If not Ed, then SKS. The rest are just a waste of time. Andy Burnham isn’t even a MP - are people forgetting this?

    No, they think somehow Starmer can carry on for 1-2 months before Andy can get back in, and then for the period of a leadership contest (or they assume coronation).

    It's not the same as a timetable to go after a contest, since the contest cannot officially start right away and Andy might not win a seat.

    I wonder if the plan is for Starmer to say he'll go by year's end, Andy says 'oh very well, i'll standvl then', then Starmer goes early if Andy gets in, or to year end if he doesn't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    One for @Leon_VotedForStarmer when he’s back on the train home.

    11 minutes of under-oath testimony from a CIA whistleblower to the US covid inquiry.

    https://x.com/senrandpaul/status/2054569279266131996
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Too far down the road for that now.

    But the comment is interesting because it reveals the worry on the right of the Labour Party that it opens the door to the left.

    With Starmer clearly indicating that he will fight, it brings home the fact that the Starmer/McSweeney/Akehurst/Streeting faction will be putting two candidates forward to the members and union affiliates ballot. That is not going to help Streeting get beyond the first round. I expect Miliband or Rayner only to reach the members ballot and then to make it to the final round with Burnham's backing.
    All nominated candidates successfully going through the two nomination stages go to a single preferential ballot. That maximum number is 5; that is 4 nominated + the PM who gets a bye into the final.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    MikeL said:


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Too far down the road for that now.

    But the comment is interesting because it reveals the worry on the right of the Labour Party that it opens the door to the left.

    With Starmer clearly indicating that he will fight, it brings home the fact that the Starmer/McSweeney/Akehurst/Streeting faction will be putting two candidates forward to the members and union affiliates ballot. That is not going to help Streeting get beyond the first round. I expect Miliband or Rayner only to reach the members ballot and then to make it to the final round with Burnham's backing.
    There is only one round of voting.

    Whoever gets nominations from 81 MPs + 5% of CLPs/unions goes to the ballot of members / affiliates.

    They vote using preferential system.
    Where is the fun in that?
    PB should lobby Labour to adopt the Conservative system, several stages, endless opportunities for backstabbing and cock-ups and then the disappointing finale of the members' vote.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    "Nick Cohen
    You’ll miss Keir Starmer when he’s gone" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/youll-miss-keir-starmer-when-hes-gone/
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523
    murali_s said:

    Ed for me. If not Ed, then SKS. The rest are just a waste of time. Andy Burnham isn’t even a MP - are people forgetting this?

    Ed is genuinely mad. He is a left wing Trump. Amongst all the bad choices for PM (on all sides) he is the worst.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Ed for me. If not Ed, then SKS. The rest are just a waste of time. Andy Burnham isn’t even a MP - are people forgetting this?

    No, they think somehow Starmer can carry on for 1-2 months before Andy can get back in, and then for the period of a leadership contest (or they assume coronation).

    It's not the same as a timetable to go after a contest, since the contest cannot officially start right away and Andy might not win a seat.

    I wonder if the plan is for Starmer to say he'll go by year's end, Andy says 'oh very well, i'll standvl then', then Starmer goes early if Andy gets in, or to year end if he doesn't.
    Can you think of a constituency where voters are going to be happy to see their MP resign for no particular reason in order for Burnham to stand?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,452

    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Rayner should back Streeting. Miliband and Burnham are retreads from a previous generation.
    What do they say about young cardinals and old popes?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700

    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Rayner should back Streeting. Miliband and Burnham are retreads from a previous generation.
    Why would she back the obvious loser from the total opposite (Mandelson/ McSweeney) wing of the Party
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Dopermean said:

    MikeL said:


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti

    Moderate Labour MPs are urging Wes Streeting not to trigger a contest - warning he will lose to a more left-wing candidate.

    Luke Akehurst tells me:

    "Wes is a huge talent and someone I’ve considered a political ally for about two decades. I would urge him not to throw the party into further chaos by resigning.

    ...

    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2054582742055079975

    Too far down the road for that now.

    But the comment is interesting because it reveals the worry on the right of the Labour Party that it opens the door to the left.

    With Starmer clearly indicating that he will fight, it brings home the fact that the Starmer/McSweeney/Akehurst/Streeting faction will be putting two candidates forward to the members and union affiliates ballot. That is not going to help Streeting get beyond the first round. I expect Miliband or Rayner only to reach the members ballot and then to make it to the final round with Burnham's backing.
    There is only one round of voting.

    Whoever gets nominations from 81 MPs + 5% of CLPs/unions goes to the ballot of members / affiliates.

    They vote using preferential system.
    Where is the fun in that?
    PB should lobby Labour to adopt the Conservative system, several stages, endless opportunities for backstabbing and cock-ups and then the disappointing finale of the members' vote.
    The Tory rules at least force the MPs to pick a final two meaning each has substantial MP backing and avoid a Corbyn scenario, in theory. But as Truss showed that can be an illusion.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    Making people pay a lot more than they need to for Gas and Electricity is a genius policy innit...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Yes but not with Ed in charge. It is not being a leftvwinger that makes him a bad choice. It is being Ed Miliband
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671
    edited May 13
    Andy_JS said:

    "Nick Cohen
    You’ll miss Keir Starmer when he’s gone" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/youll-miss-keir-starmer-when-hes-gone/

    I think people might. But tough. They should have behaved themselves.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934
    Andy_JS said:

    "Nick Cohen
    You’ll miss Keir Starmer when he’s gone" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/youll-miss-keir-starmer-when-hes-gone/

    He is rubbish. But better than the last 3 PMs and probably better than the next 3 too!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    edited May 13

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Not if it is given three years, 2026-2029, to bankrupt the country. Like Reform the left rely for votes on what they are going to to, not their glittering legacy.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833
    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Ed for me. If not Ed, then SKS. The rest are just a waste of time. Andy Burnham isn’t even a MP - are people forgetting this?

    No, they think somehow Starmer can carry on for 1-2 months before Andy can get back in, and then for the period of a leadership contest (or they assume coronation).

    It's not the same as a timetable to go after a contest, since the contest cannot officially start right away and Andy might not win a seat.

    I wonder if the plan is for Starmer to say he'll go by year's end, Andy says 'oh very well, i'll standvl then', then Starmer goes early if Andy gets in, or to year end if he doesn't.
    Can you think of a constituency where voters are going to be happy to see their MP resign for no particular reason in order for Burnham to stand?
    In theory somewhere Burnham is personally popular where they'd like to see him become PM and do as good a job as mayor.

    But right now that's a big risk to presume liking him outweighs general 'kick Labour' sentiment.

    But his whole pitch is that would be the case.
    So Keir announces he will go not for Andy, but it allows the party to test if the Andy thesis is right.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Yes but not with Ed in charge. It is not being a leftvwinger that makes him a bad choice. It is being Ed Miliband
    Miliband will be portrayed as an eco zealot and the opposition will rightly say why on earth should the country elect him when they’ve already rejected him before and they’d have a point .

    Do Labour MPs have amnesia ?
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 265
    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,452

    A council has confirmed there will be a by-election after a Reform UK councillor who posted a "defamatory" social media message about a Conservative candidate was found guilty of breaking electoral law.

    Andy Osborn, 74, was chairman of the North East Cambridgeshire Reform Party in April 2025, when he posted the message.

    He was convicted of making or publishing a false statement under the Representation of the People Act 1983 at Westminster Magistrates' Court last month.

    Cambridgeshire County Council said Osborn, who represented Roman Bank and Peckover, "has not lodged an appeal in time, therefore, he is no longer a county councillor".

    Osborn's court hearing was told he wrote on Facebook in April 2025: "Samantha Hoy worked in the care industry but allegedly was sacked for fraud no wonder Wisbech is in such a state. Reform UK will fix it."

    Hoy, who works in the care industry and has never been sacked or faced fraud allegations, later responded online, describing the claims as "an absolute lie and extremely defamatory and damaging".

    She is a councillor at both county and district level.

    Osborn claimed that his account had been hacked, but the judge dismissed this and found him guilty of the charge.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7p450kejro

    Reform continuing to attract high quality people I see.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Just wait until you hear it every day on every issue.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Weirdly she might need someone who appeals to new Reformers. If it takes off even 5% ftom Reform without hurting the Tories and suddenly the party can at least claim to be top dog on the right again.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING:

    Sir Keir Starmer has made clear to allies that he will stand and fight if Wes Streeting succeeds in triggering a leadership contest

    The prime minister has spent the afternoon meeting ministers and Labour MPs in Parliament as he attempts to see off a potential leadership challenge

    Loyal cabinet ministers have also been working the tearooms urging colleagues not to "plunge the party into chaos"

    They have been warning that a leadership election would paralyse the government for months

    Starmer's allies are convinced that Streeting will fail to get the 81 MPs he needs to mount a formal challenge. But if he does, the message is that he will fight

    Starmer could win again, same as how he won in 2020, as the grey compromise candidate. Labour's John Major.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,700
    Andy_JS said:

    "Nick Cohen
    You’ll miss Keir Starmer when he’s gone" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/youll-miss-keir-starmer-when-hes-gone/

    Similar to toothache

    You miss it

    Not in a bad way
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,193
    Friggin hell, the options for next PM are terrifying. I can cope with Streeting but Miliband, Rayner…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,735
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nick Cohen
    You’ll miss Keir Starmer when he’s gone" (£)

    https://spectator.com/article/youll-miss-keir-starmer-when-hes-gone/

    I think they might. But tough. They should have behaved themselves.
    Starmer had lots of goodwill our side of the fence for a long enough time, but he has disappointed immeasurably.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    One not headed by Ed Miliband might have a chance . At least Rayner would be a change and has a great back story. I know she’s gobby and very Marmite but I can’t help but like her.
    She had unresolved and not quickly resolvable tax issues - heck she didn’t even hold her hands up and quickly pay the tax as Jimmy Carr did
    Jimmy Carr had written tax advice from licenced professionals, and when HMRC challenged the whole scheme he immediately paid up.

    Anglea Rayner didn’t take the specialist advise she was told to take, and when challenged tried to blame others. It’s unlikely she actually had the funds to write a cheque for the outstanding amount, even if she wanted to pay it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834

    MikeL said:

    Rayner price drifting rapidly - now out to 10 on Betfair.

    Rayner should back Streeting. Miliband and Burnham are retreads from a previous generation.
    Why would she back the obvious loser from the total opposite (Mandelson/ McSweeney) wing of the Party
    He's the obvious winner. She could be the Prescott to Streeting's Blair.

    There's much more potential for good political chemistry than there was between Rayner and Starmer.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."

    Pass the sick bucket.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Yes but not with Ed in charge. It is not being a leftvwinger that makes him a bad choice. It is being Ed Miliband
    Miliband will be portrayed as an eco zealot and the opposition will rightly say why on earth should the country elect him when they’ve already rejected him before and they’d have a point .

    Do Labour MPs have amnesia ?
    The country have rejected Farage's mob how many times?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Starmer has lovely hair and isn’t bad looking . Age hasn’t been kind to Miliband who looks even more goofy than 10 years ago .
    My family once said i looked like a less handsome Ed Miliband.

    It wasn't an unfair critique in fairness.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,452

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Just wait until you hear it every day on every issue.
    Britain: a country with apparently insurmountable problems whose political leaders keep making the wrong decisions.
    Britain: a country where what a politician's voice sounds like is considered a relevant factor in selecting political leaders.
    Could these facts perhaps be related?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    Andy_JS said:

    PJH said:

    I genuinely and sincerely believe that Andy Burnham is what Labour need. But he is reliant on snookers to even get access to the leadership contest to come.

    Given a choice of Milliband or Streeting I'd take Ed any day of the week. We need some radical solutions to our crises and he has shown that he can think laterally and put forward policies which are challenging - whether you agree with them or not.

    I don't share your view of Burnham, I just see him as full of himself and consistently showing poor judgment.

    I do agree with you on Milliband. Streeting has limited real world and ministerial experience and doesn't have much to offer except more small c conservatism. Milliband might make something actually happen.
    In what ways is Streeting a small-c conservative?
    He's the Blairite candidate
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    algarkirk said:

    nico67 said:

    OMG IT IS HAPPENING

    Could Ed Miliband succeed Keir Starmer?

    Senior figures on the soft left say Angela Rayner just isn't up to it. There are concerns she would be a 'complete liability' - and that's before you get to the outstanding HMRC inquiry

    Andy Burnham is struggling to find a seat. And even if he finds a seat, secures NEC approval and manages to win it - none of which is a given - he wouldn't be in Westminster for months

    We reported today that Miliband has explicitly told Cabinet colleagues that he would be prepared to stand if Streeting triggered a contest. This was denied by those close to Miliband

    But ministers are today saying that it will have to be him if Streeting goes over the top. The soft-left can only have one candidate, and at the moment he is the logical choice...


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054552677300744273

    So the soft left want to put in place a leader who has already been rejected by the country ! They’re insane . Why don’t they just collapse the government so we can dispense with the 3 years of Labour MPs pretending he can win an election and go right to the bit where Reform take over !
    Could a "left-leaning" Labour Party see off Reform in 2029?
    Not if it is given three years, 2026-2029, to bankrupt the country. Like Reform the left rely for votes on what they are going to to, not their glittering legacy.
    On the other hand 3 successful years could unite the left for re-election.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    More importantly it would be nice to have one who didn’t damage or destroy the country and maybe even improve it? Whilst I want a good Tory govt I also want the UK to be successful and strong - unfortunately the politicians put their games, cliques and foibles ahead of the national interest too often.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Just wait until you hear it every day on every issue.
    Britain: a country with apparently insurmountable problems whose political leaders keep making the wrong decisions.
    Britain: a country where what a politician's voice sounds like is considered a relevant factor in selecting political leaders.
    Could these facts perhaps be related?
    Yes
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,137

    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom
    EXCL: Keir Starmer told ministers tonight that Wes can't win because it would "destroy our party and country".

    He invited all ministers into his study in the Commons.

    Ministers of state in one batch, followed by parliamentary under secretarties.

    One tells me the response was overwhelmingly positive re backing Starmer.

    "He was there doing the hard yards. There was something in his eyes I haven't seen before. And I liked it."

    Pass the sick bucket.
    He told them he was going to run and beat Streeting like a drum
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    It's been said many times before and it's not fair, but Ed Milliband's main problem is the sound of his voice. It just sounds weird.

    Not worse than Starmer.
    Just wait until you hear it every day on every issue.
    Britain: a country with apparently insurmountable problems whose political leaders keep making the wrong decisions.
    Britain: a country where what a politician's voice sounds like is considered a relevant factor in selecting political leaders.
    Could these facts perhaps be related?
    An Israeli party leader apparently had similar talk so they did a dubbed ad to say "listen to his words now, idiots'.

    Politicians have to persuade, always have. That doesn't mean all of them have a great voice and can orate well, but it helps.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Ed Miliband is the guy I like the most for PM.
    But I dont think the country agrees with me.

    You’re right ! I simply can’t forgive him for his role in Brexit . I know people might think I’m unhinged but he set into motion where we are now .

    He was never supposed to stand and then did the Judas on his brother . David Miliband would have stopped a Tory majority .

    The rest is history. I’m in no mood to see him hand the keys of No 10 to Reform .
    I can't understand this perspective at all. He had every right to stand - and of course the fact he won shows he was right to do so.

    For me its David who comes out looking bad from the affair. He quit the country rather than support his brother as leader and damaged him before he'd even started.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    edited May 13
    KnightOut said:

    I genuinely can't figure out what outcome would be best for team Kemi.

    Obviously we'd want a Labour PM who would swiftly become unpopular, but not with the kind of policies that would be a catalyst for a Reform surge. It's tough to know who to root for...

    Best for them would be two more Labour PMs before the election.
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