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  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Zelenskyy makes a big announcement: “We have already reached 10-year agreements with three key countries: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar. We already have requests from 11 countries – the Middle East and the Gulf, plus we’re also gradually turning our attention to the Caucasus.

    “Within this Drone Deal, there will be at least 10 different agreements covering various categories of Ukrainian weapons exports. Co-production is planned – the construction of our production lines both in Ukraine and in other countries.

    “New technologies that we are developing jointly with various countries, in which they are investing. There is also an agreement on annual funding for a specific amount, along with a fixed number of years.

    “Second: the European track. Work has already begun with Germany, Italy, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Of course, we have good relations with the United Kingdom and France. I am confident that all of this will also be implemented there.”

    By the end of this war Ukraine just might be the most powerful country in Europe.
    It's reminding me of the rapid 'progress' we saw during WW1 with artillery and general 'modern warfare'. Cost, body-count and time pressures leading to innovation after innovation. Meanwhile Russia just seem to be content with pushing more lads into the meat grinder. Which is... grim.
    Unfortunately Russia is also learning and adapting quickly, much as I’d love it not to be so.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    Bulgarian Exit Polls out:

    This just per Wiki. I've not hunted the domestic results links.

    Progressive Bulgaria: 38%
    GERB: 15%
    PP-DB 13%
    Revival: expected to hit threshold

    A swing left at first sight, though perhaps more nuance than I can provide here.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,053
    MelonB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Zelenskyy makes a big announcement: “We have already reached 10-year agreements with three key countries: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar. We already have requests from 11 countries – the Middle East and the Gulf, plus we’re also gradually turning our attention to the Caucasus.

    “Within this Drone Deal, there will be at least 10 different agreements covering various categories of Ukrainian weapons exports. Co-production is planned – the construction of our production lines both in Ukraine and in other countries.

    “New technologies that we are developing jointly with various countries, in which they are investing. There is also an agreement on annual funding for a specific amount, along with a fixed number of years.

    “Second: the European track. Work has already begun with Germany, Italy, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Of course, we have good relations with the United Kingdom and France. I am confident that all of this will also be implemented there.”

    By the end of this war Ukraine just might be the most powerful country in Europe.
    It's reminding me of the rapid 'progress' we saw during WW1 with artillery and general 'modern warfare'. Cost, body-count and time pressures leading to innovation after innovation. Meanwhile Russia just seem to be content with pushing more lads into the meat grinder. Which is... grim.
    Unfortunately Russia is also learning and adapting quickly, much as I’d love it not to be so.
    Shoosh. The goodies are winning and the baddies are failing. That is the way of the world.

    ...

    Right?
  • I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,053

    ohnotnow said:

    Good evening

    If this is repeated by Olly Robbins on Tuesday then Starmer has serious questions to face plus unfair dismissal

    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17xqqVAGnd/

    Other than 'Sign up to Facebook' - what does it say?
    The decision to appoint Mandelson was made by the PM
    Ah! Glad I didn't sign up to facebook! :-)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    As the No 10 centre and Treasury block every attempt to rearm ourselves for war against Russia we have this utter tripe:




    UK Prime Minister
    @10DowningStreet
    ·
    59m
    Visiting the crew of a Vanguard-Class submarine as they return from a record-long deployment.

    As we face an increasingly volatile world, our nuclear deterrent is more important than ever.

    Thank you for keeping Britain and NATO safe 🇬🇧

    They will do every contortion they can to avoid having to spend money on defence and have a plan because they are so removed from the reality of war and assume that others will pick up the slack through NATO.

    The silly thing is that if they scared the shit out of the population and started talking about drafts, compulsory training, plans for an emergency then it might help by making the population get a bit more serious. At the moment I (and I will likely be put in my box on this here) think we are a bit of a soft joke of a general country. People are addicted to quick hits, fripperies, idiocracy, selfishness.

    The country as a whole needs to possibly be a bit more serious - nothing comes fro free.
    Unfortunately too many people have got too used to getting too much for free.
    I am being bombarded with non stop SNP adverts this evening. It's quite remarkable, there are no other adverts showing. And it is an endless list of "free" and "protected" benefits and rights. Absolutely nothing about growing our economy, improving competitiveness, encouraging investment, attracting foreign investment. Just a list of supposed freebies. This is what our politics is reduced to.
    Strangely, I’ve been bombarded with leaflets telling me to vote Tory to prevent an SNP majority. Don’t you have any other policies?
    On YouTube, I've been getting very polished Anas Sarwar (next to no mention of Labour) adverts for some time. Very 'Kinnock the Movie'.

    SNP just seem to have woken up to this and started doing their own Youtube ads - can't tell you much about it as the soundtrack is pretty much just an annoying tune. As waste of money for the SNP, as many people like me chuck Youtube on while getting ready for work or doing other things, so it needs a voice track. They're not as professional and polished as Labour.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Leon said:

    So I started my walk yesterday, and was a bit disappointed by my pace. I’d hoped to walk 27 miles to La Roche Bernard, but by 2pm I’d only managed to go just over 11 miles

    I stopped for a beer, and to try to book something a bit closer. The only decent looking place I could find was in a town called Muzillac that was just five miles away

    I was a bit irritated that I was only going to get 16 miles done, and had to remind myself that I did break an ankle and seven ribs only nine months back, followed by four months off

    I arrived in Muzillac to a lovely, thatched stone farmhouse. The couple who ran it were Swiss and in their late fifties, they’d sold up in Switzerland ten years ago to move to a much bigger place in Brittany

    They were so friendly and welcoming; they gave me a bottle of lovely, and strong, local beer, and we chatted in the garden for about an hour. I noticed that time was getting on, so said that I’d need to go out for dinner

    They gave me a couple of recommendations, but said if I wanted to, to please stay with them for dinner. I don’t like to look a gift horse in the mouth, so stayed for baked fish, chips, stuffed tomatoes and salad, with a couple of glasses of wine. And a large whisky after

    They made me a good breakfast first thing this morning, and then refused to let me pay for the dinner and drinks the night before , so I set off for La Roche Bernard

    I arrived there, about eleven miles away, and was rather surprised to find the beautiful, tiny city in the midst of a medieval festival. People were dressed up as soldiers, jesters and wenches. There were bagpipes and drums, fire breathers , jugglers, sword fighting and much more

    I stopped for a couple of beers, watched the show and found a place to stay tonight. I booked a little house in a town called Missillac, eight miles further on. I headed off there and arrived at about six thirty

    On the way I realised that I hadn’t thought about stocking up with any supplies, and everywhere was shut. I met the host there; another lovely lady, I think in her late thirties. I told her my predicament

    She responded by asking if I wanted a beer, she could grab us each one from her house, about 100 metres away, we could drink them together, and then she’d drive me to the golf club, where the clubhouse was definitely open for dinner

    We had a really nice chat with the beers, and on the drive to the golf club, then a hug after she dropped me off

    I’m now at the clubhouse and have just finished steak tartare for starter and prawn curry with black rice for main. I’m now feeling quite blessed


    Superb!

    Keep them coming

    You must be personally very charming. This doesn’t happen to everyone yet it quite often happens to you

    👏
    I just smile a lot and try to speak the best French I can; I’m a long way from fluent, but it seems that I can just about coherently convey the meaning intended. And they all love my ancient “Marlborough French” story, and my French holiday motto
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,053
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Actual Catholic here.

    Vance is arguing with the Pope about what is a just war without realising or remembering that the Pope was the head of the Augustinian Order and it was St Augustine of Hippo who pretty much invented the Christian idea of "just war". The Pope is likely to understand it a lot better than Vance.

    I quite like Leo. He has just been on a visit to North Africa, going to some of the places associated with Augustine.

    The theory of just war has been well understood for quite a long time.
    Though clearly not by JD.
    I think he was trying to find it down the back of a sofa, if I remember correctly?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Good evening

    If this is repeated by Olly Robbins on Tuesday then Starmer has serious questions to face plus unfair dismissal

    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17xqqVAGnd/

    Other than 'Sign up to Facebook' - what does it say?
    The decision to appoint Mandelson was made by the PM
    Ah! Glad I didn't sign up to facebook! :-)
    It was the exchange in the FCDO committee and is worth listening to the whole explanation by Robbins
  • Leon said:

    So I started my walk yesterday, and was a bit disappointed by my pace. I’d hoped to walk 27 miles to La Roche Bernard, but by 2pm I’d only managed to go just over 11 miles

    I stopped for a beer, and to try to book something a bit closer. The only decent looking place I could find was in a town called Muzillac that was just five miles away

    I was a bit irritated that I was only going to get 16 miles done, and had to remind myself that I did break an ankle and seven ribs only nine months back, followed by four months off

    I arrived in Muzillac to a lovely, thatched stone farmhouse. The couple who ran it were Swiss and in their late fifties, they’d sold up in Switzerland ten years ago to move to a much bigger place in Brittany

    They were so friendly and welcoming; they gave me a bottle of lovely, and strong, local beer, and we chatted in the garden for about an hour. I noticed that time was getting on, so said that I’d need to go out for dinner

    They gave me a couple of recommendations, but said if I wanted to, to please stay with them for dinner. I don’t like to look a gift horse in the mouth, so stayed for baked fish, chips, stuffed tomatoes and salad, with a couple of glasses of wine. And a large whisky after

    They made me a good breakfast first thing this morning, and then refused to let me pay for the dinner and drinks the night before , so I set off for La Roche Bernard

    I arrived there, about eleven miles away, and was rather surprised to find the beautiful, tiny city in the midst of a medieval festival. People were dressed up as soldiers, jesters and wenches. There were bagpipes and drums, fire breathers , jugglers, sword fighting and much more

    I stopped for a couple of beers, watched the show and found a place to stay tonight. I booked a little house in a town called Missillac, eight miles further on. I headed off there and arrived at about six thirty

    On the way I realised that I hadn’t thought about stocking up with any supplies, and everywhere was shut. I met the host there; another lovely lady, I think in her late thirties. I told her my predicament

    She responded by asking if I wanted a beer, she could grab us each one from her house, about 100 metres away, we could drink them together, and then she’d drive me to the golf club, where the clubhouse was definitely open for dinner

    We had a really nice chat with the beers, and on the drive to the golf club, then a hug after she dropped me off

    I’m now at the clubhouse and have just finished steak tartare for starter and prawn curry with black rice for main. I’m now feeling quite blessed


    Superb!

    Keep them coming

    You must be personally very charming. This doesn’t happen to everyone yet it quite often happens to you

    👏
    I just smile a lot and try to speak the best French I can; I’m a long way from fluent, but it seems that I can just about coherently convey the meaning intended. And they all love my ancient “Marlborough French” story, and my French holiday motto
    Ahh, you speak French!? That explains a lot. The French are these days pathetically grateful if anyone deigns to speak their parochial dialect (seriously - I’ve seen it)

    I doubt you’d have gotten that treatment if you’d been the normal monoglot Brit (like me)

    Not that this detracts from your charm. Bravo, mon ami

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    On the contrary don’t Carlings generally find things squidgy?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506



    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    Just wait until Reform abolish Health & Safety legislation. You’ll be knapping underground in a cave in Brandon with blood pouring from your hands.
    Have you not read the reports on the Leicester garment trade? Exposed by COVID.

    According to local politicians, “imposing” minimum wage or even the Factory Acts would collapse it.

    When the brands being supplied from them found out, they lost most of their business anyway. Brands are very sensitive to Labour allegations now. Which is a nice thing, I think.
  • ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    What? Life? Knapping? Travel? Ageing? Ordering oysters? Keeping the faith? Remaining cheerful in the face of Armageddon?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So I started my walk yesterday, and was a bit disappointed by my pace. I’d hoped to walk 27 miles to La Roche Bernard, but by 2pm I’d only managed to go just over 11 miles

    I stopped for a beer, and to try to book something a bit closer. The only decent looking place I could find was in a town called Muzillac that was just five miles away

    I was a bit irritated that I was only going to get 16 miles done, and had to remind myself that I did break an ankle and seven ribs only nine months back, followed by four months off

    I arrived in Muzillac to a lovely, thatched stone farmhouse. The couple who ran it were Swiss and in their late fifties, they’d sold up in Switzerland ten years ago to move to a much bigger place in Brittany

    They were so friendly and welcoming; they gave me a bottle of lovely, and strong, local beer, and we chatted in the garden for about an hour. I noticed that time was getting on, so said that I’d need to go out for dinner

    They gave me a couple of recommendations, but said if I wanted to, to please stay with them for dinner. I don’t like to look a gift horse in the mouth, so stayed for baked fish, chips, stuffed tomatoes and salad, with a couple of glasses of wine. And a large whisky after

    They made me a good breakfast first thing this morning, and then refused to let me pay for the dinner and drinks the night before , so I set off for La Roche Bernard

    I arrived there, about eleven miles away, and was rather surprised to find the beautiful, tiny city in the midst of a medieval festival. People were dressed up as soldiers, jesters and wenches. There were bagpipes and drums, fire breathers , jugglers, sword fighting and much more

    I stopped for a couple of beers, watched the show and found a place to stay tonight. I booked a little house in a town called Missillac, eight miles further on. I headed off there and arrived at about six thirty

    On the way I realised that I hadn’t thought about stocking up with any supplies, and everywhere was shut. I met the host there; another lovely lady, I think in her late thirties. I told her my predicament

    She responded by asking if I wanted a beer, she could grab us each one from her house, about 100 metres away, we could drink them together, and then she’d drive me to the golf club, where the clubhouse was definitely open for dinner

    We had a really nice chat with the beers, and on the drive to the golf club, then a hug after she dropped me off

    I’m now at the clubhouse and have just finished steak tartare for starter and prawn curry with black rice for main. I’m now feeling quite blessed


    Superb!

    Keep them coming

    You must be personally very charming. This doesn’t happen to everyone yet it quite often happens to you

    👏
    I just smile a lot and try to speak the best French I can; I’m a long way from fluent, but it seems that I can just about coherently convey the meaning intended. And they all love my ancient “Marlborough French” story, and my French holiday motto
    Ahh, you speak French!? That explains a lot. The French are these days pathetically grateful if anyone deigns to speak their parochial dialect (seriously - I’ve seen it)

    I doubt you’d have gotten that treatment if you’d been the normal monoglot Brit (like me)

    Not that this detracts from your charm. Bravo, mon ami

    I think throwing yourself on the kindness of strangers is a charming thing, if done in the right way. I’m bad at that generally - too reticent.

    Blanche is showing us how it should be done.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506
    MelonB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Zelenskyy makes a big announcement: “We have already reached 10-year agreements with three key countries: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar. We already have requests from 11 countries – the Middle East and the Gulf, plus we’re also gradually turning our attention to the Caucasus.

    “Within this Drone Deal, there will be at least 10 different agreements covering various categories of Ukrainian weapons exports. Co-production is planned – the construction of our production lines both in Ukraine and in other countries.

    “New technologies that we are developing jointly with various countries, in which they are investing. There is also an agreement on annual funding for a specific amount, along with a fixed number of years.

    “Second: the European track. Work has already begun with Germany, Italy, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Of course, we have good relations with the United Kingdom and France. I am confident that all of this will also be implemented there.”

    By the end of this war Ukraine just might be the most powerful country in Europe.
    It's reminding me of the rapid 'progress' we saw during WW1 with artillery and general 'modern warfare'. Cost, body-count and time pressures leading to innovation after innovation. Meanwhile Russia just seem to be content with pushing more lads into the meat grinder. Which is... grim.
    Unfortunately Russia is also learning and adapting quickly, much as I’d love it not to be so.
    The main gap is to do with communications. Russia doesn't have a high speed satellite data system. The Ukrainians do. This means they can control things at essentially infinite range - complete with live video, with multiple views.

    So far, there is one provided - Starlink. Amazon are getting there, slowly. China is beginning to build their own.

    OneWebb is nice but doesn't have the capability. This is orders of magnitude bigger.

    Europe rejected building a mega constellation in favour of trying to subsidise a smaller effort by The Traditional Suspects.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Sir Keir Starmer's war with Olly Robbins just went to a whole new level

    The government has tonight taken the pretty extraordinary step of publishing what appears to be* a new legal opinion on the legislation surrounding national security vetting

    Allies of Robbins have cited the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which states that ministers do not oversee the national security vetting system

    Robbins is using this as part of his argument for not informing Starmer that Mandelson had failed his initial security vetting. The process, they say, is 'rightly independent' - something ministers have also said in the Commons

    But the government appears to have commissioned new legal advice which states: 'No law stops civil servants sensibly flagging UK Security Vetting recommendations'

    The government appears to have commissioned an ad hoc legal opinion as ammunition for Starmer ahead of his appearance in the Commons tomorrow

    Allies of Robbins point out two things. 1) This appears to be new legal advice - it didn't exist when Mandelson was appointed 2) It doesn't demonstrate that Robbins *should* have informed Starmer. It is effectively passive

    They say that the government appears to be attempting to retrofit a legal opinion to make Starmer's argument against Robbins

    * I say appears to be as it doesn't seem to have been signed off by a government lawyer, but that's v much the suggestion I'm getting from inside Govt

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2045952658872431002?s=20
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,493

    As the No 10 centre and Treasury block every attempt to rearm ourselves for war against Russia we have this utter tripe:




    UK Prime Minister
    @10DowningStreet
    ·
    59m
    Visiting the crew of a Vanguard-Class submarine as they return from a record-long deployment.

    As we face an increasingly volatile world, our nuclear deterrent is more important than ever.

    Thank you for keeping Britain and NATO safe 🇬🇧

    Imagine the disappointment of returning from a record-long nuclear missile submarine deployment to find that, not only is Starmer still Prime Minister, but he's come to welcome you home and delay you from returning to your family/going out on the lash/visiting the local professionals.
    But it is reassuring to know that PMs now last longer than a submarine deployment.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,883
    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
  • MelonB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So I started my walk yesterday, and was a bit disappointed by my pace. I’d hoped to walk 27 miles to La Roche Bernard, but by 2pm I’d only managed to go just over 11 miles

    I stopped for a beer, and to try to book something a bit closer. The only decent looking place I could find was in a town called Muzillac that was just five miles away

    I was a bit irritated that I was only going to get 16 miles done, and had to remind myself that I did break an ankle and seven ribs only nine months back, followed by four months off

    I arrived in Muzillac to a lovely, thatched stone farmhouse. The couple who ran it were Swiss and in their late fifties, they’d sold up in Switzerland ten years ago to move to a much bigger place in Brittany

    They were so friendly and welcoming; they gave me a bottle of lovely, and strong, local beer, and we chatted in the garden for about an hour. I noticed that time was getting on, so said that I’d need to go out for dinner

    They gave me a couple of recommendations, but said if I wanted to, to please stay with them for dinner. I don’t like to look a gift horse in the mouth, so stayed for baked fish, chips, stuffed tomatoes and salad, with a couple of glasses of wine. And a large whisky after

    They made me a good breakfast first thing this morning, and then refused to let me pay for the dinner and drinks the night before , so I set off for La Roche Bernard

    I arrived there, about eleven miles away, and was rather surprised to find the beautiful, tiny city in the midst of a medieval festival. People were dressed up as soldiers, jesters and wenches. There were bagpipes and drums, fire breathers , jugglers, sword fighting and much more

    I stopped for a couple of beers, watched the show and found a place to stay tonight. I booked a little house in a town called Missillac, eight miles further on. I headed off there and arrived at about six thirty

    On the way I realised that I hadn’t thought about stocking up with any supplies, and everywhere was shut. I met the host there; another lovely lady, I think in her late thirties. I told her my predicament

    She responded by asking if I wanted a beer, she could grab us each one from her house, about 100 metres away, we could drink them together, and then she’d drive me to the golf club, where the clubhouse was definitely open for dinner

    We had a really nice chat with the beers, and on the drive to the golf club, then a hug after she dropped me off

    I’m now at the clubhouse and have just finished steak tartare for starter and prawn curry with black rice for main. I’m now feeling quite blessed


    Superb!

    Keep them coming

    You must be personally very charming. This doesn’t happen to everyone yet it quite often happens to you

    👏
    I just smile a lot and try to speak the best French I can; I’m a long way from fluent, but it seems that I can just about coherently convey the meaning intended. And they all love my ancient “Marlborough French” story, and my French holiday motto
    Ahh, you speak French!? That explains a lot. The French are these days pathetically grateful if anyone deigns to speak their parochial dialect (seriously - I’ve seen it)

    I doubt you’d have gotten that treatment if you’d been the normal monoglot Brit (like me)

    Not that this detracts from your charm. Bravo, mon ami

    I think throwing yourself on the kindness of strangers is a charming thing, if done in the right way. I’m bad at that generally - too reticent.

    Blanche is showing us how it should be done.
    You do need the lingo tho. In some places

    I am capable of turning on the charm. Indeed it’s saved me great pain and possibly my life more than once (long stories)

    Charm is a mixture of things. I’ve spent a lifetime working it out as it has been so helpful to me

    First, listen. Let the other person speak

    SHOW INTEREST. And make it sincere

    Second. Read their body language and facial tics. They tell you so much. More than their words. Watch for that fleeting frown, see the tiny shrug of discomfort

    Third. Self deprecate. “Ah, I am an idiot. Sorry”. By itself this disarms 80% of people who will then smile and try and help you

    Fourth. Be funny. Hardest of all but the most powerful
  • Starmer going on the war path then.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    Pro_Rata said:

    Bulgarian Exit Polls out:

    This just per Wiki. I've not hunted the domestic results links.

    Progressive Bulgaria: 38%
    GERB: 15%
    PP-DB 13%
    Revival: expected to hit threshold

    A swing left at first sight, though perhaps more nuance than I can provide here.

    As I understand it, the long serving President, one Ruman Radev, who had been Head of State since 2017, came to the conclusion the only one who could break the political deadlock was him and the only way he could do it would be to set up his own political movement.

    He handed over the Presidency at the end of january to his Vice President, one Iliana Iotova, who had served as VP since 2017 and set up Progressive Bulgaria as his own party which was formalised on March 2nd.

    It looks as though Radev's party will poll just shy of 40% and be comfortably the largest party in the National Assembly but short of a majority (perhaps 110 out of 240 seats) but there are enough allies among the smaller parties for Radev to form a Government,

    Meanwhile, in Denmark, plenty of fun and games following their election, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the Moderate leader, has been enjoying the power his party's 14 seats provides between the traditional centre-left and centre-right blocs.

    He wants a five party Government featuring the Social Democrats and Radical Liberals from the "Red" side, the Venstre (Liberals) and Conservatives from the "Blue" side and the Moderates and that administration would have 93 seats and a clear majortiy in the Folketing.

    Both the Red and Blue blocs have courted Rasmussen to join them and he has rebuffed them both. I'm sure he is enjoying himself.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,129
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375
    edited April 19
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Actual Catholic here.

    Vance is arguing with the Pope about what is a just war without realising or remembering that the Pope was the head of the Augustinian Order and it was St Augustine of Hippo who pretty much invented the Christian idea of "just war". The Pope is likely to understand it a lot better than Vance.

    I quite like Leo. He has just been on a visit to North Africa, going to some of the places associated with Augustine.

    The theory of just war has been well understood for quite a long time.
    Though clearly not by JD.
    I think he was trying to find it down the back of a sofa, if I remember correctly?
    No, that wasn't just war - just "Phwoooar!
  • tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    lol
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219

    Sir Keir Starmer's war with Olly Robbins just went to a whole new level

    The government has tonight taken the pretty extraordinary step of publishing what appears to be* a new legal opinion on the legislation surrounding national security vetting

    Allies of Robbins have cited the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which states that ministers do not oversee the national security vetting system

    Robbins is using this as part of his argument for not informing Starmer that Mandelson had failed his initial security vetting. The process, they say, is 'rightly independent' - something ministers have also said in the Commons

    But the government appears to have commissioned new legal advice which states: 'No law stops civil servants sensibly flagging UK Security Vetting recommendations'

    The government appears to have commissioned an ad hoc legal opinion as ammunition for Starmer ahead of his appearance in the Commons tomorrow

    Allies of Robbins point out two things. 1) This appears to be new legal advice - it didn't exist when Mandelson was appointed 2) It doesn't demonstrate that Robbins *should* have informed Starmer. It is effectively passive

    They say that the government appears to be attempting to retrofit a legal opinion to make Starmer's argument against Robbins

    * I say appears to be as it doesn't seem to have been signed off by a government lawyer, but that's v much the suggestion I'm getting from inside Govt

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2045952658872431002?s=20

    'Independent' is one of those nice words that are actually bad news. Effectively it means 'unnaccountable'. And in this instance the idea of a decision like this being kept hidden from the politician making the appointment frankly borders on farce.

    I am not one to give Sir Security Risk an easy ride. But this is turning into yet another story of Civil Service arrogance, complacency and utter incompetence.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    edited April 19
    I would suggest all this desperate defence by Starmer will not wash with the public, who just do not like bosses blaming their workers/officials rather than accepting their own responsibility

  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,033

    Sir Keir Starmer's war with Olly Robbins just went to a whole new level

    The government has tonight taken the pretty extraordinary step of publishing what appears to be* a new legal opinion on the legislation surrounding national security vetting

    Allies of Robbins have cited the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which states that ministers do not oversee the national security vetting system

    Robbins is using this as part of his argument for not informing Starmer that Mandelson had failed his initial security vetting. The process, they say, is 'rightly independent' - something ministers have also said in the Commons

    But the government appears to have commissioned new legal advice which states: 'No law stops civil servants sensibly flagging UK Security Vetting recommendations'

    The government appears to have commissioned an ad hoc legal opinion as ammunition for Starmer ahead of his appearance in the Commons tomorrow

    Allies of Robbins point out two things. 1) This appears to be new legal advice - it didn't exist when Mandelson was appointed 2) It doesn't demonstrate that Robbins *should* have informed Starmer. It is effectively passive

    They say that the government appears to be attempting to retrofit a legal opinion to make Starmer's argument against Robbins

    * I say appears to be as it doesn't seem to have been signed off by a government lawyer, but that's v much the suggestion I'm getting from inside Govt

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2045952658872431002?s=20

    My main reaction to this is that it is perhaps uniquely British (and is somewhat to both Robbins' and Starmer's credit) to have a massive bust up about the correct interpretation of the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act.

    I can't see Johnson (or Trump for that matter) bothering to do the same.
  • DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375

    Starmer going on the war path then.

    They are giving off the vibe of being terminally rattled...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,883
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    Starmer going on the war path then.

    They are giving off the vibe of being terminally rattled...
    I expect tomorrow Starmer will have the most hostile questioning and reactions to what he says across the chamber with his mps watching on in disbelief
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    edited April 19
    MelonB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So I started my walk yesterday, and was a bit disappointed by my pace. I’d hoped to walk 27 miles to La Roche Bernard, but by 2pm I’d only managed to go just over 11 miles

    I stopped for a beer, and to try to book something a bit closer. The only decent looking place I could find was in a town called Muzillac that was just five miles away

    I was a bit irritated that I was only going to get 16 miles done, and had to remind myself that I did break an ankle and seven ribs only nine months back, followed by four months off

    I arrived in Muzillac to a lovely, thatched stone farmhouse. The couple who ran it were Swiss and in their late fifties, they’d sold up in Switzerland ten years ago to move to a much bigger place in Brittany

    They were so friendly and welcoming; they gave me a bottle of lovely, and strong, local beer, and we chatted in the garden for about an hour. I noticed that time was getting on, so said that I’d need to go out for dinner

    They gave me a couple of recommendations, but said if I wanted to, to please stay with them for dinner. I don’t like to look a gift horse in the mouth, so stayed for baked fish, chips, stuffed tomatoes and salad, with a couple of glasses of wine. And a large whisky after

    They made me a good breakfast first thing this morning, and then refused to let me pay for the dinner and drinks the night before , so I set off for La Roche Bernard

    I arrived there, about eleven miles away, and was rather surprised to find the beautiful, tiny city in the midst of a medieval festival. People were dressed up as soldiers, jesters and wenches. There were bagpipes and drums, fire breathers , jugglers, sword fighting and much more

    I stopped for a couple of beers, watched the show and found a place to stay tonight. I booked a little house in a town called Missillac, eight miles further on. I headed off there and arrived at about six thirty

    On the way I realised that I hadn’t thought about stocking up with any supplies, and everywhere was shut. I met the host there; another lovely lady, I think in her late thirties. I told her my predicament

    She responded by asking if I wanted a beer, she could grab us each one from her house, about 100 metres away, we could drink them together, and then she’d drive me to the golf club, where the clubhouse was definitely open for dinner

    We had a really nice chat with the beers, and on the drive to the golf club, then a hug after she dropped me off

    I’m now at the clubhouse and have just finished steak tartare for starter and prawn curry with black rice for main. I’m now feeling quite blessed


    Superb!

    Keep them coming

    You must be personally very charming. This doesn’t happen to everyone yet it quite often happens to you

    👏
    I just smile a lot and try to speak the best French I can; I’m a long way from fluent, but it seems that I can just about coherently convey the meaning intended. And they all love my ancient “Marlborough French” story, and my French holiday motto
    Ahh, you speak French!? That explains a lot. The French are these days pathetically grateful if anyone deigns to speak their parochial dialect (seriously - I’ve seen it)

    I doubt you’d have gotten that treatment if you’d been the normal monoglot Brit (like me)

    Not that this detracts from your charm. Bravo, mon ami

    I think throwing yourself on the kindness of strangers is a charming thing, if done in the right way. I’m bad at that generally - too reticent.

    Blanche is showing us how it should be done.
    Last thursday we asked the greek restaurant opposite our hotel if they had any space. 1 hour the maitre'd declared. So, as we're both quick eaters and can choose food fast took our seats, went to order when the restaurant suddenly realised there was no hour and the restaurant was about to be filled !
    So we were offered and accepted a glass of wine, beer and a decent starter on the pavement outside (The area was pleasent enough, and it was a warm pleasent evening so it was pas probleme) to hastily evacuate our seats. In fact the starters and pittas offered were so filling we didn't actually need to go out that evening ! It also gave me the best photo of the holiday of my other half - which I'll avoid posting here as she's far too shy. I think the fact I speak, or at least try to speak some rudiementary french went down well when we were out and about in Paris last week too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    What? Life? Knapping? Travel? Ageing? Ordering oysters? Keeping the faith? Remaining cheerful in the face of Armageddon?
    It was a reference to the alleged aphrodisiac properties of oysters…
    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Well, it’s a point.
  • DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
  • Anyone briefed in a non-anonymous capacity yet?

    If no, Sir Keir stumbles onto the local elections.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    I would suggest all this desperate defence by Starmer will not wash with the public, who just do not like bosses blamimg their workers/officials rather than accepting their own responsibility

    I seemed to remember a boss once said it was wrong to throwing their employees under the bus was totally wrong and they would never do such a thing, they would take responsbility for the organisation they led....i can't remember who it was though.
    Sure, though let's be honest, a) if PMs really did quit when their employees mucked up they'd never last a week, and b) to a degree we'd expect some people throwing themselves on their sword to safeguard political leadership - though on the understanding it is not done lightly, or too frequently.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Life is good.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224

    If you’re not Catholic the Pope is an irrelevance. If you are Catholic, then he’s the holy appointee of god. If you question him, then are you really Catholic?

    Tell that to the BBC.
  • tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    I have that song on an LP by the Ian Campbell Folk Group. Ian Campbell was the father of Ally Campbell of UB40.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @europeelects.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    Bulgaria, 95% of Myara parallel count:

    National parliament election

    PB-*: 45.3% (+45.3)
    PP-DB-RE|EPP: 12.2% (-1.5)
    GERB-SDS-EPP: 12.1% (-14.3)
    DPS-NN-NI: 7.0% (-4.5)
    V-ESN: 4.2% (-9.2)
    MECh-*: 3.3% (-1.3)
    Velichie-*: 3.2% (-0.8)
    ...

    +/- vs. Last election result

    https://bsky.app/profile/europeelects.bsky.social/post/3mjusfbo25g23
  • GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375

    Starmer going on the war path then.

    Attack is the best form of not resigning.
  • tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You’re confusing me with @SeanT who is so popular he can be the most read guy on the spectator just by writing about toilets - as he did today

    I am much more humble so I merely comment here with my vague ramblings
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Bewildered, I would think.
  • Starmer going on the war path then.

    Attack is the best form of not resigning.
    I’m still totally confused about where this idea he’s going to resign amongst all of this has come from. He’s going to fight on and on.

    A bad decision in my view. But that’s what he’s doing
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    And that is news !!!!!

    I never watch it anyway
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Scott_xP said:

    @europeelects.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    Bulgaria, 95% of Myara parallel count:

    National parliament election

    PB-*: 45.3% (+45.3)
    PP-DB-RE|EPP: 12.2% (-1.5)
    GERB-SDS-EPP: 12.1% (-14.3)
    DPS-NN-NI: 7.0% (-4.5)
    V-ESN: 4.2% (-9.2)
    MECh-*: 3.3% (-1.3)
    Velichie-*: 3.2% (-0.8)
    ...

    +/- vs. Last election result

    https://bsky.app/profile/europeelects.bsky.social/post/3mjusfbo25g23

    Maybe they could stop having elections every year, for shame.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    Business as usual?
  • Leon said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You’re confusing me with @SeanT who is so popular he can be the most read guy on the spectator just by writing about toilets - as he did today

    I am much more humble so I merely comment here with my vague ramblings
    I say this with the utmost of respect but everyone knows you’re SeanT. The only person you can possibly be convincing is yourself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited April 19

    GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    I didn't have you down as a regular viewer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @europeelects.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    Bulgaria, 95% of Myara parallel count:

    National parliament election

    PB-*: 45.3% (+45.3)
    PP-DB-RE|EPP: 12.2% (-1.5)
    GERB-SDS-EPP: 12.1% (-14.3)
    DPS-NN-NI: 7.0% (-4.5)
    V-ESN: 4.2% (-9.2)
    MECh-*: 3.3% (-1.3)
    Velichie-*: 3.2% (-0.8)
    ...

    +/- vs. Last election result

    https://bsky.app/profile/europeelects.bsky.social/post/3mjusfbo25g23

    Maybe they could stop having elections every year, for shame.
    Majority of 30 now

    Seat projection national parliament

    PB-*: 135 (+135)
    GERB-SDS-EPP: 36 (-30)
    PP-DB-RE|EPP: 36
    DPS-NN-NI: 21 (-8)
    V-ESN: 12 (-21)
    BSPOL-S&D: 0 (-19)
    APS-RE: 0 (-19)
    ITN-ECR: 0 (-17)
    MECh-*: 0 (-11)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    Anyone briefed in a non-anonymous capacity yet?

    If no, Sir Keir stumbles onto the local elections.

    This week will be torrid for Starmer and he may survive but at what cost to labour ?
  • GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    I didn't have you down as a regular viewer.
    I do actually follow them on X if you can believe it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Leon said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You’re confusing me with @SeanT who is so popular he can be the most read guy on the spectator just by writing about toilets - as he did today

    I am much more humble so I merely comment here with my vague ramblings
    I say this with the utmost of respect but everyone knows you’re SeanT. The only person you can possibly be convincing is yourself.
    You're just making it more fun for him.
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You’re confusing me with @SeanT who is so popular he can be the most read guy on the spectator just by writing about toilets - as he did today

    I am much more humble so I merely comment here with my vague ramblings
    I say this with the utmost of respect but everyone knows you’re SeanT. The only person you can possibly be convincing is yourself.
    You're just making it more fun for him.
    Pretty sad isn’t it really?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited April 19

    GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    I didn't have you down as a regular viewer.
    I do actually follow them on X if you can believe it.
    One incredible success they appear to have head, billions of views on YouTube. I presume they must have somebody who knows how to play the online game. I was a bit suss at first that they were perhaps buying views, but even if they were originally, 3 billion views, they must be playing the social media game pretty well.

    Its not something I ever watch, but I find it an odd operation. They actually at times hired some not totally mad people e.g Liam Halligan and a number of Sky news presenters, then they seem to sack them. Maybe not willing to kiss the ring of Reformy-land, who knows.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375

    Starmer going on the war path then.

    Attack is the best form of not resigning.
    I’m still totally confused about where this idea he’s going to resign amongst all of this has come from. He’s going to fight on and on.

    A bad decision in my view. But that’s what he’s doing
    Labour's union paymasters will step in. The Men in Flat Caps.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You could just scroll past. It adds to life’s rich tapestry here and is infinitely better than cut and paste posts about “my team good/your team bad”. Why don’t you tell us about interesting things you do in your life, there must be some surely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Jeez. The world is going to hell in a handcart and PB is back trying to dox Leon.

  • boulay said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You could just scroll past. It adds to life’s rich tapestry here and is infinitely better than cut and paste posts about “my team good/your team bad”. Why don’t you tell us about interesting things you do in your life, there must be some surely?
    No I am extremely boring and have nothing to say.
  • Starmer going on the war path then.

    Attack is the best form of not resigning.
    I’m still totally confused about where this idea he’s going to resign amongst all of this has come from. He’s going to fight on and on.

    A bad decision in my view. But that’s what he’s doing
    Labour's union paymasters will step in. The Men in Flat Caps.
    Didn’t we have all of this before 2010 with Brown.

    I just cannot see it. He’ll resign when he fancies it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,484
    edited April 19

    If you’re not Catholic the Pope is an irrelevance. If you are Catholic, then he’s the holy appointee of god. If you question him, then are you really Catholic?

    The Pope is not, I think, an irrelevance, as a significant international leader.

    Nor is Donald Trump an irrelevance - for the same reason.

    JD, however, probably is an irreleVANCE, in the main.

    :smile:

    It's about time they linked Il Papa to Obama as the next conspiracy theory, since both are associated with Chicago.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876

    boulay said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You could just scroll past. It adds to life’s rich tapestry here and is infinitely better than cut and paste posts about “my team good/your team bad”. Why don’t you tell us about interesting things you do in your life, there must be some surely?
    No I am extremely boring and have nothing to say.
    I know but try, it might be good for you.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011

    Jeez. The world is going to hell in a handcart and PB is back trying to dox Leon.

    You can't dox someone whose identity is already known to everybody anyway.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444

    Sir Keir Starmer's war with Olly Robbins just went to a whole new level

    The government has tonight taken the pretty extraordinary step of publishing what appears to be* a new legal opinion on the legislation surrounding national security vetting

    Allies of Robbins have cited the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which states that ministers do not oversee the national security vetting system

    Robbins is using this as part of his argument for not informing Starmer that Mandelson had failed his initial security vetting. The process, they say, is 'rightly independent' - something ministers have also said in the Commons

    But the government appears to have commissioned new legal advice which states: 'No law stops civil servants sensibly flagging UK Security Vetting recommendations'

    The government appears to have commissioned an ad hoc legal opinion as ammunition for Starmer ahead of his appearance in the Commons tomorrow

    Allies of Robbins point out two things. 1) This appears to be new legal advice - it didn't exist when Mandelson was appointed 2) It doesn't demonstrate that Robbins *should* have informed Starmer. It is effectively passive

    They say that the government appears to be attempting to retrofit a legal opinion to make Starmer's argument against Robbins

    * I say appears to be as it doesn't seem to have been signed off by a government lawyer, but that's v much the suggestion I'm getting from inside Govt

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2045952658872431002?s=20

    What a pity that just telling the truth isn't enough.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,116
    edited April 19

    GB News acting as the propaganda wing of Reform UK.

    I didn't have you down as a regular viewer.
    I do actually follow them on X if you can believe it.
    One incredible success they appear to have head, billions of views on YouTube. I presume they must have somebody who knows how to play the online game. I was a bit suss at first that they were perhaps buying views, but even if they were originally, 3 billion views, they must be playing the social media game pretty well.

    Its not something I ever watch, but I find it an odd operation. They actually at times hired some not totally mad people e.g Liam Halligan and a number of Sky news presenters, then they seem to sack them. Maybe not willing to kiss the ring of Reformy-land, who knows.
    It’s following the Daily Mail mould. Churn out videos and content quickly and constantly.

    Their website is also absolute trash and like the Mail breaks most web standards and conventions but somehow works.

    I can’t knock their operation from a business sense. They definitely know their target market.

    But to call them news is pretty suspect. I’m not just saying this because I’m centre left it’s just that they don’t even really try to provide balance to anything they report. But perhaps that’s not an issue?

    As I said, they present essentially the worldview of Reform UK. It can’t necessarily be bad to have that represented.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
  • Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Bewildered, I would think.
    Yes I agree. So totally beyond her experience and comprehension she wouldn’t understand. Not because she was stupid, simply the enormousness of the changes

    The smartphone alone would probably stupefy anyone born before 1920 (like my granny)

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    Starmer going on the war path then.

    Attack is the best form of not resigning.
    I’m still totally confused about where this idea he’s going to resign amongst all of this has come from. He’s going to fight on and on.

    A bad decision in my view. But that’s what he’s doing
    Labour's union paymasters will step in. The Men in Flat Caps.
    Didn’t we have all of this before 2010 with Brown.

    I just cannot see it. He’ll resign when he fancies it.
    I am not sure it is entirely in his hands depending on this weeks drama and possible referrals to ethics committee
  • boulay said:

    boulay said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I’m gonna use my photo ration for a meal shot

    A dozen Carlingford oysters for my lunch. By Carlingford lough. In Carlingford. Does it get better than that?

    Yes. It does. Because after this they were so good I ordered another half dozen



    Are you finding it hard?
    I wonder just how much narcissistic supply pbCOM gives this guy. Probably 20% or so. Who gives flying fuck what SeanT eats?
    Fully agreed. Doesn’t he have a blog or publication he can post this stuff in?
    You could just scroll past. It adds to life’s rich tapestry here and is infinitely better than cut and paste posts about “my team good/your team bad”. Why don’t you tell us about interesting things you do in your life, there must be some surely?
    No I am extremely boring and have nothing to say.
    I know but try, it might be good for you.
    No I’ll stick with being boring and not talking about my life as that’s my business.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    I am not the least bit surprised
  • Just wish Starmer could fight for abolishing the triple lock or something actually worthwhile. Maybe he could have done that a year ago.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    Anyone briefed in a non-anonymous capacity yet?

    If no, Sir Keir stumbles onto the local elections.

    This week will be torrid for Starmer and he may survive but at what cost to labour ?
    Probably not that much. Partly because similar great scandals (Westland, Hutton, Scott etc etc) mostly confirmed existing views rather than switching opinions, but mostly because Starmer had few fans in the first place.

    And compared with many Prime Ministerial fiascos down the years, this one has cost very little money and no lives. Alarmingly , I found myself agreeing with Matthew Syed this morning;

    But nobody wants to hear this [that Mandelson is a non-story] because the content of the story isn’t the point; the scandal is the point. We want to scream blue murder. We want to clutch pearls, to bawl at Starmer, to convince ourselves that we are being betrayed. Anything to keep our minds from a ship of state heading towards the rocks, not because of politicians but because of a different group of people. Voters. Us. Politicians cannot tell the truth, whether about Mandelson or anything else, because we don’t wish to hear it. We prefer convenient lies.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/d421140e-6b51-4f13-88f4-835227d554be?shareToken=4e14923446453e585d1a31b2fea1f8c2
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Given where you currently are:

    Between my finger and my thumb
    The squat pen rests; snug as a gun.

    Under my window, a clean rasping sound
    When the spade sinks into gravelly ground:
    My father, digging. I look down

    Till his straining rump among the flowerbeds
    Bends low, comes up twenty years away
    Stooping in rhythm through potato drills
    Where he was digging.

    The coarse boot nestled on the lug, the shaft
    Against the inside knee was levered firmly.
    He rooted out tall tops, buried the bright edge deep
    To scatter new potatoes that we picked,
    Loving their cool hardness in our hands.

    By God, the old man could handle a spade.
    Just like his old man.

    My grandfather cut more turf in a day
    Than any other man on Toner’s bog.
    Once I carried him milk in a bottle
    Corked sloppily with paper. He straightened up
    To drink it, then fell to right away
    Nicking and slicing neatly, heaving sods
    Over his shoulder, going down and down
    For the good turf. Digging.

    The cold smell of potato mould, the squelch and slap
    Of soggy peat, the curt cuts of an edge
    Through living roots awaken in my head.
    But I’ve no spade to follow men like them.

    Between my finger and my thumb
    The squat pen rests.
    I’ll dig with it.


    The thoughts are perhaps understandable to anyone who is only a generation or two from hard manual labour.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    I predict we will be know the wiser after this week, lots of process was followed, I was never told, I never told them because of legal process, round and round in circles. There won't be any killer document or anybody able to stand up with evidence anything concrete beyond what has been reported.

    The stuff like story in the Indy, it will again be never crossed my desk, I am busy person, the people in #10 never told me anything. And as they have gone fishing, we will never know and it again will never have been written down.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,024

    Anyone briefed in a non-anonymous capacity yet?

    If no, Sir Keir stumbles onto the local elections.

    This week will be torrid for Starmer and he may survive but at what cost to labour ?
    I make no comment on the seriousness of it all but it’s not even in the top 10 most read stories on BBC News. Probably bubble stuff.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    edited April 19
    stodge said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Bulgarian Exit Polls out:

    This just per Wiki. I've not hunted the domestic results links.

    Progressive Bulgaria: 38%
    GERB: 15%
    PP-DB 13%
    Revival: expected to hit threshold

    A swing left at first sight, though perhaps more nuance than I can provide here.

    As I understand it, the long serving President, one Ruman Radev, who had been Head of State since 2017, came to the conclusion the only one who could break the political deadlock was him and the only way he could do it would be to set up his own political movement.

    He handed over the Presidency at the end of january to his Vice President, one Iliana Iotova, who had served as VP since 2017 and set up Progressive Bulgaria as his own party which was formalised on March 2nd.

    It looks as though Radev's party will poll just shy of 40% and be comfortably the largest party in the National Assembly but short of a majority (perhaps 110 out of 240 seats) but there are enough allies among the smaller parties for Radev to form a Government,

    Meanwhile, in Denmark, plenty of fun and games following their election, Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the Moderate leader, has been enjoying the power his party's 14 seats provides between the traditional centre-left and centre-right blocs.

    He wants a five party Government featuring the Social Democrats and Radical Liberals from the "Red" side, the Venstre (Liberals) and Conservatives from the "Blue" side and the Moderates and that administration would have 93 seats and a clear majortiy in the Folketing.

    Both the Red and Blue blocs have courted Rasmussen to join them and he has rebuffed them both. I'm sure he is enjoying himself.
    It looks like Radev is a rum sort, falling out repeatedly with PMs and exercising vetos all over the place in a parliament first system that nevertheless gives him some power. His rivalry with Borisov is particularly entertaining, culminating in a drone kompromat episode.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumen_Radev?wprov=sfla1

    But, from our pov, Radev is more Russia aligned than you'd like, and Putin probably claws back some of the loss he suffered in Hungary here, in that Radev is sceptical of Western help in Ukraine and now as PM elect has EU and NATO seats in his name.
  • Anyone briefed in a non-anonymous capacity yet?

    If no, Sir Keir stumbles onto the local elections.

    This week will be torrid for Starmer and he may survive but at what cost to labour ?
    Probably not that much. Partly because similar great scandals (Westland, Hutton, Scott etc etc) mostly confirmed existing views rather than switching opinions, but mostly because Starmer had few fans in the first place.

    And compared with many Prime Ministerial fiascos down the years, this one has cost very little money and no lives. Alarmingly , I found myself agreeing with Matthew Syed this morning;

    But nobody wants to hear this [that Mandelson is a non-story] because the content of the story isn’t the point; the scandal is the point. We want to scream blue murder. We want to clutch pearls, to bawl at Starmer, to convince ourselves that we are being betrayed. Anything to keep our minds from a ship of state heading towards the rocks, not because of politicians but because of a different group of people. Voters. Us. Politicians cannot tell the truth, whether about Mandelson or anything else, because we don’t wish to hear it. We prefer convenient lies.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/d421140e-6b51-4f13-88f4-835227d554be?shareToken=4e14923446453e585d1a31b2fea1f8c2
    “You just have to spell out a few home truths, and gauge the reaction, to see the problem. Here’s one for starters: the triple lock is unaffordable. Mathematically. Indisputably. Any time I write on this topic, however, the top comment is along the lines of: “I deserve my pension! Did you know we have some of the lowest pensions in the developed world”, conveniently ignoring that income from private pensions is far higher in the UK and that the British state takes less in tax from the average voter during their working lives than the European norm.


    If Starmer had any balls he would pick a fight over the triple lock.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506

    I would suggest all this desperate defence by Starmer will not wash with the public, who just do not like bosses blamimg their workers/officials rather than accepting their own responsibility

    I seemed to remember a boss once said it was wrong to throwing their employees under the bus was totally wrong and they would never do such a thing, they would take responsbility for the organisation they led....i can't remember who it was though.
    I heard that someone wrote down who it was.

    But the papers never crossed my desk.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501

    Sir Keir Starmer's war with Olly Robbins just went to a whole new level

    The government has tonight taken the pretty extraordinary step of publishing what appears to be* a new legal opinion on the legislation surrounding national security vetting

    Allies of Robbins have cited the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, which states that ministers do not oversee the national security vetting system

    Robbins is using this as part of his argument for not informing Starmer that Mandelson had failed his initial security vetting. The process, they say, is 'rightly independent' - something ministers have also said in the Commons

    But the government appears to have commissioned new legal advice which states: 'No law stops civil servants sensibly flagging UK Security Vetting recommendations'

    The government appears to have commissioned an ad hoc legal opinion as ammunition for Starmer ahead of his appearance in the Commons tomorrow

    Allies of Robbins point out two things. 1) This appears to be new legal advice - it didn't exist when Mandelson was appointed 2) It doesn't demonstrate that Robbins *should* have informed Starmer. It is effectively passive

    They say that the government appears to be attempting to retrofit a legal opinion to make Starmer's argument against Robbins

    * I say appears to be as it doesn't seem to have been signed off by a government lawyer, but that's v much the suggestion I'm getting from inside Govt

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2045952658872431002?s=20

    Reminiscent of Yes Prime Minister but with Starmer being less likeable than Jim Hacker and Robins being less likeable than Humphrey Appleby.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    So Starmer’s latest defence isn’t that Robbins wasn’t following the process but that it wasn’t illegal for him not to follow the process?
  • I do think that some are convinced this is a massive development when the public made up their mind about this entire thing months ago.

    That’s when Starmer should have gone
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Bewildered, I would think.
    Yes I agree. So totally beyond her experience and comprehension she wouldn’t understand. Not because she was stupid, simply the enormousness of the changes

    The smartphone alone would probably stupefy anyone born before 1920 (like my granny)

    There were plenty of people born before the first flight who watched men walk on the moon.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Just been reading about the working conditions of Ulster linen weavers 1850–1900 (mainly female from the age of 12)

    Jesus Ballycastle Christ

    Barefoot ankle deep in scalding water breathing fetid air that carried endless diseases in front of machinery that made them deaf and generally crippled them by the age of 30

    Their life expectancy was lower than coal miners of the same era

    White privilege, eh?

    The jute mills of Dundee were no better. A brilliant song about it:

    Oh, dear me, the mill is running fast
    And we poor shifters canna get nae rest
    Shifting bobbins coarse and fine
    They fairly make you work for your ten and nine

    O, dear me, I wish this day were done
    Running up and doon the Pass is nae fun
    Shiftin', piecin', spinning warp, weft and twine
    To feed and clothe ma bairnie offa ten and nine

    O, dear me, the world is ill-divided
    Them that works the hardest are the least provided
    But I maun bide contented, dark days or fine
    There's no much pleasure living offa ten and nine
    Nice

    I do wonder how much of the Troubles was suppressed inherited trauma from the linen mills

    The young men of the 60s would have seen their grandmothers dying young and crippled from the awful linen work if they saw them at all. And the family stories would have been passed down

    And generally it was Catholic women that did the very worst work (tho plenty of prods as well)
    A lot of them were catholic in Dundee as well, Irish immigrants living in Lochee. But Dundee became a very matriarchal society because the men found it much harder to get work.

    The mills preferred the young hands of girls to go in and out and if they lost the odd finger, well, too bad. My gran had a friend Annie who I couldn't understand when I was growing up because she had been hit in the face by a bobbin and lets just say not a lot was spent on plastic surgery. Tough times, really tough.
    Jeezo

    We don’t know we’re born do we?

    My maternal grandmother - sent to work as a barefoot bal maiden at the age of 10. Up at grass at at Agnes mines on the cliffs. Sorting rocks for extra ore by the deafening mine stamps. She had 8 kids and died in her late 40s

    That’s just two generations back. What would she think of me? Lolling about being flown around the world to convey a few thoughts on a laptop

    I wonder if she’d be proud. Or just totally bewildered

    It is kinda ridiculous
    Bewildered, I would think.
    Yes I agree. So totally beyond her experience and comprehension she wouldn’t understand. Not because she was stupid, simply the enormousness of the changes

    The smartphone alone would probably stupefy anyone born before 1920 (like my granny)

    Reminds me of the TV series Catweazle, which I loved as a 10 year old. Imagine being transported from 1070 to 1970. Arthur C Clarkes 3rd law applies.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited April 19

    So Starmer’s latest defence isn’t that Robbins wasn’t following the process but that it wasn’t illegal for him not to follow the process?

    I think their latest tactic is to make it all so complex and opaque our anger devolves into boredom. And Starmer survives

    It might well work. But at what cost? Everyone despises him and Labour sink back in the polls. It’s pointless in the larger scheme: it turns the whole British government into a mechanism designed to protect the career of one man who isn’t up to the job

    It’s somewhat shameful
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Leon said:

    So Starmer’s latest defence isn’t that Robbins wasn’t following the process but that it wasn’t illegal for him not to follow the process?

    I think their latest tactic is to make it all so complex and opaque our anger devolves into boredom. And Starmer survives

    It might well work. But at what cost? Everyone despises him and Labour sink back in the polls. It’s pointless in the larger scheme: it turns the whole British government into a mechanism designed to protect the career of one man who isn’t up to the job

    It’s somewhat shameful
    And I don't think the Labour party will let that happen now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375
    Leon said:

    So Starmer’s latest defence isn’t that Robbins wasn’t following the process but that it wasn’t illegal for him not to follow the process?

    I think their latest tactic is to make it all so complex and opaque our anger devolves into boredom. And Starmer survives

    It might well work. But at what cost? Everyone despises him and Labour sink back in the polls. It’s pointless in the larger scheme: it turns the whole British government into a mechanism designed to protect the career of one man who isn’t up to the job

    It’s somewhat shameful
    If Starmer didn't understand it, why should he expect that you will?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,484
    edited April 19
    He's trying to shore up his Rupert-adjacent wing, isn't he?
  • MattW said:

    He's trying to shore up his Rupert-adjacent wing, isn't he?
    Yes. For sure. That’s where his votes are leaking
  • With the media all proclaiming this will finally be the week that Sir Keir goes, anyone want to bet?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    MattW said:

    He's trying to shore up his Rupert-adjacent wing, isn't he?
    And has been for some time.

    Is asylum a lifetime right? It seems to me that it should be reviewed every few years.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    So Starmer’s latest defence isn’t that Robbins wasn’t following the process but that it wasn’t illegal for him not to follow the process?

    Yes, minister. :)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,856
    Vance clearly disagrees with Pope Leo on just war theory. However also he disagrees with him on the type of Roman Catholic leadership he prefers. Vance is very much on the Pope Benedict, Latin Mass, conservative wing of Roman Catholicism while Pope Leo, like Pope Francis before him is much more of a liberal Catholic
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,171

    With the media all proclaiming this will finally be the week that Sir Keir goes, anyone want to bet?

    Cannot see him going yet as Burnham cannot take over, nor can Rayner and he is needed to take the blame for the locals.
    Oppositions always call for resignations. Starmer did it too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    edited April 19
    Dems could do worse than Talarico, win or lose.
    He's young, telegenic, knowledgeable and eloquent.
    Not really a Centrist, but very, very radical.
    The philosophy and teachings of Jesus Christ being extremely radical in today's USA
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