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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,354
    MikeL said:

    Tisza now 135!!!

    45.71% counted

    Fuck you Vance.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    With 46% in Tisza is up to 135 seats projected.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,576
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With 15% in Tisza is now forecast to get 125 seats. Comfortably into majority territory, but not into "change the Constitution"

    It's moving in that direction though: 128 : 62 : 8 with 25% counted
    As it currently stands, Fidesz is due to win just 13 out of 105 constituency seats.

    That's a an absolute shellacking.
    In Spanish, but you will get the gist...

    Lo más interesante de las elecciones de Hungría es el derrumbe absoluto de Orbán en las circunscripciones uninominales (a lo británico/estadounidense). El problema del gerrymandering es que, cuando tu porcentaje de voto cae por debajo de cierto nivel, el colapso es total.

    https://bsky.app/profile/vicvent.bsky.social/post/3mjcyn3iq322n
    "el colapso es total".

    Scorchio.
    Va a ser una noche terrrrrible para los Fidesz....
    Christ, that's niche - but a bloody good one.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    “If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime”

    Classic @HYUFD
    Say what you like about George W Bush, at least he sent in the troops to remove all the leaders of the nations he invaded unlike Trump!
    It is the only thing Trump has done right in this debacle
    I think actually Churchill's comment on Suez applies:

    'I would never have dared start. But once started, I would never have dared stop.'
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,007

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    It shouldn't. It makes no sense for it to do so. But word usage can shift in unfortunate and fortunate ways, and I think the battle over literally has already been lost.

    At least if that is the case hopefully people can also stop being prissy about fewer/less, which in most (not all) cases is not necessary.
    You may think that, but that's just you.
    And your contrary view is just you, so I'm not sure what's gained with that stance.

    Linguistic rules and usage change all the time, that's fact considering we don't speak like Shakespeare or Chaucer, so people cannot pretend it will remain static forever. Whether certain ones have in fact changed we will only know with the passage of time.

    I'm fairly confident that the mere fact that so many people misuse literally is a sign in itself I am right in this prediction.
    Time for another plug for The History of English podcast https://historyofenglishpodcast.com It's literally awesome.
    Benpointer.

    That episode is number 188 and is over an hour long. Implying that I would need to listen to 9 days continual broadcasts to catch up with where presumably you are in your listening. At one hour a day it would take over 6 months.

    Are you sure that this would we a wise investment of my remaining time on this earth as a 65 year old with a few medical issues?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    Beeb with delayed reporting but saying count is coming in quicker from West Hungary.

    I would have assumed that is bad news. But the trend of each update seems to be positive, so not sure how to reconcile that?

    Isn't the usual pattern in This Sort Of Election small rural polling stations reporting first, and the larger urban ones later?

    In fact, who apart from the UK carries all the ballot boxes to a single central sports hall before doing anything else?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    nico67 said:

    This from the BBC .

    Nick Thorpe Central Europe correspondent, in Budapest.

    “Just 21.5% of the vote has been counted so far, but as it stands, the far-right Our Homeland party is hovering close to the 5% threshold needed to enter parliament.
    It looks set to be the only minor party in contention for a seat, though it massively trails the two main parties.

    The race between Fidesz and Tisza looks close, with only 3 or 4% dividing them - Fidesz leading in some places, Tisza in others.

    The count has been fastest in mostly western Hungarian districts.”

    Is he drunk ? What a load of nonsense . It’s nowhere near close .

    Orban's going to have a hard time claiming fraud or intimidation with this. It's an absolute shellacking.

    Hate to think what it would have been like without the massive bribery, fraud and intimidation.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    Thoughts are with you @isam

    And we're not going to have another lockdown. Ignore the hysteria.

    Even if the very worst predictions come to pass everyone will still be free to visit other people, to go to pubs, etc. Even with a 20% cut in fuel supply there's still 80% of fuel. There could be very bad impacts, but it won't be at all like a pandemic.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,230

    Watch the vid attached to this and you know straight away why this academic with his fuck off palatial kitchen slugging champagne lost to a plumber in south manchester.


    Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    A life moment I will never forget. All I’ve had for two weeks is endless criticism from the establishment.

    But last night, we came back from a quiet dinner out and the news came through…

    Suicide of a Nation is not just in the Sunday Times bestseller list for the second week running.

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2043394333814960626

    What, "My Struggle" was taken?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    Tisza now 136!

    53% counted
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,627
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With 15% in Tisza is now forecast to get 125 seats. Comfortably into majority territory, but not into "change the Constitution"

    It's moving in that direction though: 128 : 62 : 8 with 25% counted
    As it currently stands, Fidesz is due to win just 13 out of 105 constituency seats.

    That's a an absolute shellacking.
    Admiral Horthy, Ferenc Szálasi, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, Couch Guy... your boy is taking a hell of a beating ?
    Couch Guy ?... Guy Crouchback?

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With 15% in Tisza is now forecast to get 125 seats. Comfortably into majority territory, but not into "change the Constitution"

    It's moving in that direction though: 128 : 62 : 8 with 25% counted
    As it currently stands, Fidesz is due to win just 13 out of 105 constituency seats.

    That's a an absolute shellacking.
    In Spanish, but you will get the gist...

    Lo más interesante de las elecciones de Hungría es el derrumbe absoluto de Orbán en las circunscripciones uninominales (a lo británico/estadounidense). El problema del gerrymandering es que, cuando tu porcentaje de voto cae por debajo de cierto nivel, el colapso es total.

    https://bsky.app/profile/vicvent.bsky.social/post/3mjcyn3iq322n
    "el colapso es total".

    Scorchio.
    So the next PM will be Chris Waddle?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    carnforth said:

    Watch the vid attached to this and you know straight away why this academic with his fuck off palatial kitchen slugging champagne lost to a plumber in south manchester.


    Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    A life moment I will never forget. All I’ve had for two weeks is endless criticism from the establishment.

    But last night, we came back from a quiet dinner out and the news came through…

    Suicide of a Nation is not just in the Sunday Times bestseller list for the second week running.

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2043394333814960626

    What, "My Struggle" was taken?
    Rejected due to the homophobia of many of his supporters. It was considered a bit Kampf.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    A significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Jew.

    Which might explain the hostility to Zelensky.

    Although another significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Muslim.
    No, they hate Zelensky because he wouldn't frame Hunter Biden. Hundreds of thousands have died because of that piece of integrity.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With 15% in Tisza is now forecast to get 125 seats. Comfortably into majority territory, but not into "change the Constitution"

    It's moving in that direction though: 128 : 62 : 8 with 25% counted
    As it currently stands, Fidesz is due to win just 13 out of 105 constituency seats.

    That's a an absolute shellacking.
    In Spanish, but you will get the gist...

    Lo más interesante de las elecciones de Hungría es el derrumbe absoluto de Orbán en las circunscripciones uninominales (a lo británico/estadounidense). El problema del gerrymandering es que, cuando tu porcentaje de voto cae por debajo de cierto nivel, el colapso es total.

    https://bsky.app/profile/vicvent.bsky.social/post/3mjcyn3iq322n
    "el colapso es total".

    Scorchio.
    So the next PM will be Chris Waddle?
    Or Boutros Boutros-Ghali.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    Some extraordinary results coming through from areas that were Fidesz strongholds in 2022 .

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Errr..surely if they've got rid of Orban there is no need to kick Hungary out?

    If they were bothered about countries being run by Fascist crooks subverting the rules for their own ends both France and Luxembourg would have been out years ago.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,466
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://vtr.valasztas.hu/ogy2026?filter=orszagos

    First numbers coming in, and they look good for Fidaz, unfortunately.

    They show MH making the 5% threshold, and Fidaz ahead

    More numbers in, and Tisza is now showing as about 109-110 seats.
    As currently stands, Tisza is on track to win 71 constituency seats.
    With 6.6% in, it's currently looking like 110-71-9, with nothing in from 9 constituencies.
    Is this now bad for Orban?
    Yes.

    But it's still very early days.
    I hope he loses, 16 years is long enough for any leader, and he also had 4 years previously from 1998 to 2002.
    especially given what a wrong un he is , putin puppet and has filled his and all his friends pockets big time. A nasty piece of work.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834
    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Hang on. Hungary are voting in the pro EU guy!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,150
    The top of the official results page seems to be giving a prediction of what the final result will be based on the current returns, which is a bit unusual for an official results page. Usually they don't do forecasts, just actual results.

    https://vtr.valasztas.hu/ogy2026?filter=orszagos
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited April 12

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to the specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,627
    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Kick them out? Just when the long awaited reversal happens?

  • nico67 said:

    This from the BBC .

    Nick Thorpe Central Europe correspondent, in Budapest.

    “Just 21.5% of the vote has been counted so far, but as it stands, the far-right Our Homeland party is hovering close to the 5% threshold needed to enter parliament.
    It looks set to be the only minor party in contention for a seat, though it massively trails the two main parties.

    The race between Fidesz and Tisza looks close, with only 3 or 4% dividing them - Fidesz leading in some places, Tisza in others.

    The count has been fastest in mostly western Hungarian districts.”

    Is he drunk ? What a load of nonsense . It’s nowhere near close .

    On pure percentage terms it was at the time it was written, in seat terms though it was not.

    Chalk a good night up for First Past the Post.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,623
    stjohn said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    It shouldn't. It makes no sense for it to do so. But word usage can shift in unfortunate and fortunate ways, and I think the battle over literally has already been lost.

    At least if that is the case hopefully people can also stop being prissy about fewer/less, which in most (not all) cases is not necessary.
    You may think that, but that's just you.
    And your contrary view is just you, so I'm not sure what's gained with that stance.

    Linguistic rules and usage change all the time, that's fact considering we don't speak like Shakespeare or Chaucer, so people cannot pretend it will remain static forever. Whether certain ones have in fact changed we will only know with the passage of time.

    I'm fairly confident that the mere fact that so many people misuse literally is a sign in itself I am right in this prediction.
    Time for another plug for The History of English podcast https://historyofenglishpodcast.com It's literally awesome.
    Benpointer.

    That episode is number 188 and is over an hour long. Implying that I would need to listen to 9 days continual broadcasts to catch up with where presumably you are in your listening. At one hour a day it would take over 6 months.

    Are you sure that this would we a wise investment of my remaining time on this earth as a 65 year old with a few medical issues?
    If dystopian satire is your thing, you might instead try Amazon's "The Boys".

    The fifth and final season is underway, and it is a reassuringly pottymouthed as ever.

    Invincible superhero dictator Homelander is turning steadily more mad.
    Paranoia is all around.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Two thirds of votes now counted.

    Magyar projected for 136.

    Any markets on how soon Orban will be jailed?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,230
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Hang on. Hungary are voting in the pro EU guy!
    Roger's trying to be wrong more ways in a post than there are words in the same post. Art, really.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,150

    Taz said:

    DougSeal said:

    Today’s move makes rationing of petrol and a de facto lockdown more likely in the UK which means we’re headed for a massive recession/global depression.

    Loving that two people “liked” this sentiment
    We all loved lockdown and want to repeat it!
    Lockdown for me was fantastic. Loved it.if I’d seen that post I’d have liked it too.
    Suspect it will look and feel rather different, even if the economic effect is much the same.

    In the Covid lockdowns, you could go places as long as you didn't meet people. And for the first one, I remember the creeping anxiety if you did. (Well that and the combined effect of hand sanitizer and chilly March winds on my skin... ugh).

    For this one, persumably we'll be able to meet whoever we like, as long as we don't use any petrol or diesel to do so. Those 15 minute cities are coming for us, no matter what...
    I am also one of those who loved lockdown. But I suspect those of us who have that view are from a very privileged minority in terms of work, family, gardens and access to open spaces. We need to be self aware enough to realise that for millions of people it was a very different experience.
    It's incredibly selfish to view the lockdown as good when most of the data makes it clear it was bad overall for the population.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,523

    rcs1000 said:


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    Three questions:

    1) Would the US stop Chinese-flagged vessels going in-and-out the Persian Gulf? And if the tankers don’t stop?

    2) What’s the plan if the Houthis of Yemen blockade the Bab al-Mandeb?

    3) Would the U.S. stop Iranian tankers loading at Jask (outside the SoH)?

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2043357926421680268

    The pipeline to Jask is not, as far as I'm aware, operational. Albeit it probably could be operationalized relatively quickly.
    Re: 1

    There are nearly no Chinese *flagged* oil tankers. Quite a few Chinese *owned* - but they are mostly registered in the usual countries - Liberia, Panama....
    Isn't it even often even more complicated where they are flagged in one country, the operator and owner are different again, often shell companies, and perhaps if you do enough leg work, you might get back to the fact that perhaps they are connected to Hong Kong somehow, which doesn't instantly mean China. Mostly likely China, but not 100%.
    Yes.

    The classic is that you set up a company per tanker. The company is based in a different country to the flag on the tanker. The company owns the tanker, but you load it up with debt. Both countries have essentially no rules on employment, safety etc. Just give them a fee.

    So if there are any accidents, all people can do is sue a company that is bankrupt - it probably just lost its only asset - in places where a lawsuit won't work.

    That company is owned by another company. Depending how... convoluted your finances are, that leads to a chains of ownership. Which is very. very multinational.

    So you have complete immunity to liability, you can pay the crew starvation wages and tax is optional.

    What's not to like?
    I was next to a bloke who was a lifer in the maritime industry on a plane to Asia last year. Some of the stuff he told me, mind boggles. It really is the high seas / wild west.

    The other scandal that is brewing is now China doing super sized sea fishing around the world where the fishermen stay out for months / years at a time, and a mega mothership supplies them. They are often fishing in territorial waters of other countries, but nobody can stop them. And the guys on the smaller boats they don't have much of a choice when they go home.
    The Chinese have implanted the USSR period factory ships - and as usual, upgraded the concept to the max.

    This is one reason they are very interested in the waters around Chagos. They’ve stripped out lots of other places.

    Fun fact about the shipping industry. Each year a number of inspectors are injured. Falling through rusty decks.

    Quite common for them to carry a lump hammer - give each rung on a ladder a bang. This is because rungs breaking due to corrosion is an everyday occurrence.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,840
    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    Some extraordinary results coming through from areas that were Fidesz strongholds in 2022 .

    The Fidasz gerrymandering has almost certainly handed additional seats to Tisza. Which is hilarious.
    I do hope Greg Abbott is watching.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,058
    Betfair


  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With 15% in Tisza is now forecast to get 125 seats. Comfortably into majority territory, but not into "change the Constitution"

    It's moving in that direction though: 128 : 62 : 8 with 25% counted
    As it currently stands, Fidesz is due to win just 13 out of 105 constituency seats.

    That's a an absolute shellacking.
    In Spanish, but you will get the gist...

    Lo más interesante de las elecciones de Hungría es el derrumbe absoluto de Orbán en las circunscripciones uninominales (a lo británico/estadounidense). El problema del gerrymandering es que, cuando tu porcentaje de voto cae por debajo de cierto nivel, el colapso es total.

    https://bsky.app/profile/vicvent.bsky.social/post/3mjcyn3iq322n
    At least I don't need to google the Spanish word for gerrymandering.
    Liking "el colapso es total."
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    edited April 12
    Cheerio lard arse. Hopefully Ukraine can have its cash very soon, and we can chip in our share too.
  • https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    Is he going to investigate his own MPs then?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    The Trump playbook = paint your enemies as criminals.

    C***
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    ydoethur said:

    Two thirds of votes now counted.

    Magyar projected for 136.

    Any markets on how soon Orban will be jailed?

    He could still cause problems until the new parliament sits . We’re not out of the woods yet .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    nico67 said:

    This from the BBC .

    Nick Thorpe Central Europe correspondent, in Budapest.

    “Just 21.5% of the vote has been counted so far, but as it stands, the far-right Our Homeland party is hovering close to the 5% threshold needed to enter parliament.
    It looks set to be the only minor party in contention for a seat, though it massively trails the two main parties.

    The race between Fidesz and Tisza looks close, with only 3 or 4% dividing them - Fidesz leading in some places, Tisza in others.

    The count has been fastest in mostly western Hungarian districts.”

    Is he drunk ? What a load of nonsense . It’s nowhere near close .

    I'm glad to see the license fee is being used well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    The spirit of the Mafia vendetta lives on in our own wannabe Trump.
  • https://x.com/luketryl/status/2043398000337142228

    That said in every single group people unprompted brought up their respect for Starmer for standing up to Trump and ‘stopping us being dragged into a war’ for some it was the first time they had seen Starmer fight for Britain. Some others thought he needed longer to prove himself

    Starmer presents an opportunity
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Two thirds of votes now counted.

    Magyar projected for 136.

    Any markets on how soon Orban will be jailed?

    He could still cause problems until the new parliament sits . We’re not out of the woods yet .
    The larger the defeat, the riskier that strategy is.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    edited April 12
    carnforth said:

    Orban conceds.

    That’s great news but I’ll pop open the champagne once the new parliament is seated .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Two thirds of votes now counted.

    Magyar projected for 136.

    Any markets on how soon Orban will be jailed?

    He could still cause problems until the new parliament sits . We’re not out of the woods yet .
    If he's conceded, I think it's over.

    If it had been close, he might have tried something. But you can't contest a blowout like this. The Army would surely turn on him.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    The Trump playbook = paint your enemies as criminals.

    C***
    Yup. Zero mystery here. Boris was just quite relaxed about immigration. It’s just that his voters weren’t, and he may have promised them one or two things he never meant.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    biggles said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    The Trump playbook = paint your enemies as criminals.

    C***
    Yup. Zero mystery here. Boris was just quite relaxed about immigration. It’s just that his voters weren’t, and he may have promised them one or two things he never meant.
    The voters were at the time, despite saying they weren't.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,230
    He's going to live in Russia, isn't he?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    Will the inquiry be led by Robert Jenrick?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    60% in 136 seats for the opposition.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    carnforth said:

    He's going to live in Russia, isn't he?

    I think that's quite likely, yes.
  • https://x.com/luketryl/status/2043398006779601290

    The US President was v.unpopular across groups with worries about his unpredictability, his commitment to NATO (combined with UK not being able to defend itself which came up a lot), and general sense of chaos. The Trump factor was definitely blunting Reform’s appeal (below).

    Wales seems to be about how to stop Reform.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    He's going to live in Russia, isn't he?

    I think that's quite likely, yes.
    That's a fitting punishment for him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    Will the inquiry be led by Robert Jenrick?
    It would be a Mickey Mouse whitewash.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    MTG believes she's starting the movement to get Trump 's impeachment off the ground. It would make April 12th quite a day....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadCzPLiNcY
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    Brixian59 said:

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Guardian website still declaring Hungary a close race.
    Actually it's looking like an arse kicking for Urban, Putin and Vance, too.

    How will the USA punish Hungary in that case?

    Vance might have known a loss was actually possible, but Trump probably gets told (by Orban) how popular Orban is, and so assume any loss cannot be true.
    More importantly how dies the UK wing of MAGA react.

    Nige and Kemi will be devastated.
    Nige maybe, Kemi should copy Magyar on how a centre right leader can beat a nationalist right leader
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    I’m actually getting quite emotional !

    Strange it’s not a UK election but I’m just ecstatic.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    Will the inquiry be led by Robert Jenrick?
    If it’s a question of law, I assume they will hammer Boris’s AG too. Where did Braverman end up. I forget…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited April 12

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    A significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Jew.

    Which might explain the hostility to Zelensky.

    Although another significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Muslim.
    The latter is far more significant in the GOP than the former now, driven by conservative evangelicals and white nationalists (the fact Putin is also a white nationalist though is why they are less keen on Zelensky than Netanyahu)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,623

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    It didn't.
    There, I just saved the old git £20m ... should the worst happen and he manages to weasel into office.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    nico67 said:

    I’m actually getting quite emotional !

    Strange it’s not a UK election but I’m just ecstatic.

    I wonder how Trump and Vance are feeling.

    I mean, we can all see Trump getting more and more feeble minded with that weird meltdown today. But Vance must be feeling pretty blue as well.

    Pause.

    What Winsor Davies said...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    nico67 said:

    I’m actually getting quite emotional !

    Strange it’s not a UK election but I’m just ecstatic.

    Same. I wasn’t expecting it. He was just so malign, affected so much in Europe, and him losing will wind up Trump. All causes of joy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,945

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    May I propose another inquiry to see whether Reforms inquiry amounts to misuse of public funds in office?
  • Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    It didn't.
    There, I just saved the old git £20m ... should the worst happen and he manages to weasel into office.
    Yeah I don’t get it. They both openly said they wanted to increase immigration and that’s what they did. They never said Brexit was about reducing immigration just controlling who the people were. They chose more Indians.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
    Maslow's heirarchy of needs applies.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,546
    We were in Budapest last October. Had a great guided walk around the city. Our guide was a young Hungarian (who had a Glaswegian grandfather which was quite a story). He told us how the young were yearning for change and completely sick of the corruption of Orban and his associates. He expected a dirty election with lots of attempts to intimidate voters to stick with Fidesz - but was confident that the young would prevail. Looks like he was right.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542

    I think Vance probably hurt Orbán a lot more than he helped him.

    No Shit, Sherlock!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    If Orban does the right thing and accepts this defeat with grace and doesn’t try any funny business before the new parliament is seated then no way should Tisza and Magyar go after him .

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    rcs1000 said:

    This is a great day for Ukraine, and a terrible day for Russia.

    It's also a deeply embarrasing day for Trump and Vance. Not that Trump will notice. He'll probably be told that Orban won.

    If you think this is bad for Trump - wait until November.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Current constituency map:


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,623

    Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    It didn't.
    There, I just saved the old git £20m ... should the worst happen and he manages to weasel into office.
    Yeah I don’t get it. They both openly said they wanted to increase immigration and that’s what they did. They never said Brexit was about reducing immigration just controlling who the people were. They chose more Indians.
    I get it.
    Farage has always been a mendacious rabble rouser.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834
    nico67 said:

    I’m actually getting quite emotional !

    Strange it’s not a UK election but I’m just ecstatic.

    It is a major blow to Putin and Trump. Netanyahu was also an Orban fan.

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,058
    Up to 137
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    No thank you (though a good bit of politics).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,945

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    In that spirit, I am happy to correct you, kle is right on this one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    English isn't French. We do not have an Academie Anglaise. English dictionaries are documents that describe how English is used, rather than prescribe how it should be used.

    People are getting it wrong. So many people are getting it wrong that it's literally no longer wrong.

    Although I regret the damage done to literally, English is a better and richer language for being free to be mangled by its users. Long may it continue.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,546
    Orban has conceded
  • rcs1000 said:

    This is a great day for Ukraine, and a terrible day for Russia.

    It's also a deeply embarrasing day for Trump and Vance. Not that Trump will notice. He'll probably be told that Orban won.

    Or let Vance be the face of any embarrassment.

    Couldn't have happened to a more deserving couchshagger.
  • The war in Iran does seem like a genuine potential reset moment for Sir Keir based on the focus groups.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    At 53% to 38%, the 'not exit polls' were also remarkably accurate in Hungary.
  • https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    No thank you (though a good bit of politics).
    It’s a dreadful piece of politics. He’s literally brought these people into his party!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    I’m actually getting quite emotional !

    Strange it’s not a UK election but I’m just ecstatic.

    I wonder how Trump and Vance are feeling.

    I mean, we can all see Trump getting more and more feeble minded with that weird meltdown today. But Vance must be feeling pretty blue as well.

    Pause.

    What Winsor Davies said...
    Right wing populists all over the world will be washing their hair rather than receive a pre-election visit from Vance.

    It isn't just Popes at risk from his negative Midas touch.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    53-38 after 55%. 137 of 199.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,523

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    No thank you (though a good bit of politics).
    Looks like Farage wants to use lawfare against his opponents.

    Who does that remind me of?
  • https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    No thank you (though a good bit of politics).
    Looks like Farage wants to use lawfare against his opponents.

    Who does that remind me of?
    It’s fine when Farage does it.

    Just to be clear are we at a 100% losing rate on Trump-adjacent candidates now?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Hang on. Hungary are voting in the pro EU guy!
    I know but the system in Hungary is rancid. It's never down to one person
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    Can’t Farage just fxck off . We don’t want the UK turning into Trumps America.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    So, JD flies to Budapest. Orban loses.
    JD flies to Islamabad. No deal.

    Looks like little Marco has played a blinder.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    No thank you (though a good bit of politics).
    Looks like Farage wants to use lawfare against his opponents.

    Who does that remind me of?
    It’s fine when Farage does it.

    Just to be clear are we at a 100% losing rate on Trump-adjacent candidates now?
    Alas, no. Trump won.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited April 12
    Wonder if MAGA will continue to love Orban?
    This "we lost fair and square" attitude may not be to their tastes.
    And might catch on.
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