I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
If the government had let him in, they'd be accused of ignoring or even condoning anti-semetism.
On balance I agree with you on this, but in current circumstances there's a genuine case for preventing what might well have been a flashpoint for unrest ?
I don't think it's a ridiculous decision, even though it's wrong.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
If the government had let him in, they'd be accused of ignoring or even condoning anti-semetism.
On balance I agree with you on this, but in current circumstances there's a genuine case for preventing what might well have been a flashpoint for unrest ?
I don't think it's a ridiculous decision, even though it's wrong.
Personally, I don't think so - I just think the Government needs to have the courage to face such criticism down, which is a mark of confidence.
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
I don't know what the impact will be. I don't have enough information and, with respect, neither do you. The Iranian regime was terrible and committing awful atrocities in January before this began, and it is weakened today but still in place - and still settling scores now. That is the chief focus of my concern.
Trump is a menace, and he wants you to talk about him and be obsessed by him. All the time.
So you fall into his trap every time you mention him and brush aside everything else.
Wisconsin Supreme Court: Liberal Justice wins by 20% (State won by Trump in 2024)
Liberals now control Wisconsin Supreme Court 5-2 (whereas it had a Conservative majority up until 2023). Important Court to control given Wisconsin is absolutely key swing state in Presidential elections. Another Conservative Justice retires next year so highly likely it then goes 6-1, cementing Liberal control for many years ahead.
Looks like a win for Trump as Iran agrees to open the strait.
Sounds as though Iran gets to charge tolls on passage through the Strait, as they say it will be under their military administration.
So for the next few years Iran gets to tax 20% of the world's oil and gas, until pipelines are built to new terminals bypassing the Strait.
That's a massive loss for everyone except Iran compared to the situation before the war.
And nothing about Iran's nuclear programme, or its missiles, or any of the things that the US went to war to achieve. How can it be a win for Trump when he achieves none of his war aims, and the enemy gains control of a vital global shipping lane?
The US will also have to pay reparations to Iran, lol.
Edit: your point on the nuclear program is incorrect. “10. Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons”
The Iranians have been saying that for a decade, blatantly lying through their teeth, ever since Trump blew up Obama's deal for no reason, which is why we're in the current mess.
So if it's just back to business as usual America will be forced to confront them again in a few months, or accept a nuclear Iran.
If Iran has been negotiating in good faith, of course, it's a big win, but I don't think that's very likely. They're probably just counting on Trump's micro attention span being diverted somewhere else.
As usual in the Middle East, there are no good options, just a choice between the difficult and the disastrous.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
Sorry Casino, but his music is terrible. No way should a sub-standard performer like that be allowed to perform here while good local acts can't get a gig.
Well the air raid alarm at 4am, accompanied by at least one loud explosion, says the Iranians haven’t yet ceased fire.
Let’s see what today brings.
Apparently it's also not a ceasefire for poor Lebanon.
Trump and Netanyahu's SMO has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone except those who wanted to annex part of Lebanon and some ambitious surviving Iranians in the leadership. Let's hope it ends here and Trump is sufficiently politically damaged that there are no further SMOs. Though I think the latter unlikely.
Well the air raid alarm at 4am, accompanied by at least one loud explosion, says the Iranians haven’t yet ceased fire.
Let’s see what today brings.
Apparently it's also not a ceasefire for poor Lebanon.
Trump and Netanyahu's SMO has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone except those who wanted to annex part of Lebanon and some ambitious surviving Iranians in the leadership. Let's hope it ends here and Trump is sufficiently politically damaged that there are no further SMOs. Though I think the latter unlikely.
Good morning, everyone.
The risk is Trump tries to recapture his 'Venezuelan high' with Cuba. Or Greenland.
Well the air raid alarm at 4am, accompanied by at least one loud explosion, says the Iranians haven’t yet ceased fire.
Let’s see what today brings.
Apparently it's also not a ceasefire for poor Lebanon.
Trump and Netanyahu's SMO has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone except those who wanted to annex part of Lebanon and some ambitious surviving Iranians in the leadership. Let's hope it ends here and Trump is sufficiently politically damaged that there are no further SMOs. Though I think the latter unlikely.
Good morning, everyone.
The risk is Trump tries to recapture his 'Venezuelan high' with Cuba. Or Greenland.
Can see him going for Cuba given Rubio will be agitating for it. Also it would be nicely symbolic given Kennedy’s failure.
Having lost to Iran - and he has lost - he will probably think twice before taking on Denmark. That might cause Vance and Congress to pull the trigger at last (although given they are such spineless cretins that’s at best a 50/50 shot).
Well the air raid alarm at 4am, accompanied by at least one loud explosion, says the Iranians haven’t yet ceased fire.
Let’s see what today brings.
Apparently it's also not a ceasefire for poor Lebanon.
Trump and Netanyahu's SMO has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone except those who wanted to annex part of Lebanon and some ambitious surviving Iranians in the leadership. Let's hope it ends here and Trump is sufficiently politically damaged that there are no further SMOs. Though I think the latter unlikely.
Good morning, everyone.
The risk is Trump tries to recapture his 'Venezuelan high' with Cuba. Or Greenland.
Can see him going for Cuba given Rubio will be agitating for it. Also it would be nicely symbolic given Kennedy’s failure.
Having lost to Iran - and he has lost - he will probably think twice before taking on Denmark. That might cause Vance and Congress to pull the trigger at last (although given they are such spineless cretins that’s at best a 50/50 shot).
Vance wants 10 years as President, he won't pull the trigger on 25 until January.
Well, that’s a relief. The gross irresponsibility of Trump of course remains. It is 2 more weeks of drama and market uncertainty. The supply shock of the thousands of tankers that have not come through in the last 5 weeks will need to be worked through. But it’s not got worse.
We still need to seriously rethink our relationship with a country that thinks it’s ok to elect someone like Trump. We have far less in common than we like to think.
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
I would be delighted, if it looked like it would last. But with the Israelis apparently determined to continue their bombing campaign in Lebanon and with Iran intending to toll ships passing through international waters, with Trump apparently opposed to both, I am not holding my breath. Markets seem to like it, but then the long term damage even of what has happened already is still mostly below the surface and in the future.
It is hard to see how Trump looks good if the principal upshot of operation epic fiasco is that shipping becomes more expensive, and indirectly we all end up paying to restore the damage in Iran that Trump’s misguided escapade has done, with the regime still in place and likely even more determined to find a way of getting back at the west than before.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
Sorry Casino, but his music is terrible. No way should a sub-standard performer like that be allowed to perform here while good local acts can't get a gig.
My kids liked his earlier stuff. Considered him funny and witty. It’s not my cup of tea but I don’t agree with the government decision. I have a strong bias towards free speech and people making their own choices. Obviously any hate speech here would have had to have been dealt with but I would have given him the chance.
Using a football analogy when a team loses this badly the manager usually gets the blame. Will Netanyahu be given his cards? I wouldn't be surprised. I doubt Trump will take the humiliation without trying to spread the blame
Does anyone know about the logistics of Gulf shipping ?
Because I would have thought that the ships currently in the Gulf would be aiming to get out as soon as possible.
Whereas other ships would not be willing to enter the Gulf unless they were confident that they could sail in, load up and sail out within the two weeks.
Comedic chapter end to this shambles. Iran opens the strait for a toll whilst the US considers its terms to withdraw from the gulf.
Trumpler will have to openly threaten to nuke Tehran next time as he has no ante left to up. And there will be a next time. 2 weeks for Iran to organise a barrage of counter attacks suits it well.
I know we have some Quislings on this board who obsequiously kneel before Trump, but even they must have noticed their ranks thinned to nothing.
America is done. Even if sanity returns and a President is elected, it will take them decades to recover from this.
Hopefully this allows some supply to get out of the strait and keeps further disruption to a minimum.
My expectation/fear is everyone in the US system conveniently forgets that the President was casually threatening genocide on social media the day before.
Hopefully this allows some supply to get out of the strait and keeps further disruption to a minimum.
My expectation/fear is everyone in the US system conveniently forgets that the President was casually threatening genocide on social media the day before.
If I read Malmesbury’s graphs correctly it’s already too late to avoid significant further disruption. The tankers cannot possibly enter, load, voyage and discharge within the next few days. Even the loaded ones will take time to reach their destinations.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
Sorry Casino, but his music is terrible. No way should a sub-standard performer like that be allowed to perform here while good local acts can't get a gig.
Why ? If people want to book him and people want to see him. Why not.
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
I would be delighted, if it looked like it would last. But with the Israelis apparently determined to continue their bombing campaign in Lebanon and with Iran intending to toll ships passing through international waters, with Trump apparently opposed to both, I am not holding my breath. Markets seem to like it, but then the long term damage even of what has happened already is still mostly below the surface and in the future.
It is hard to see how Trump looks good if the principal upshot of operation epic fiasco is that shipping becomes more expensive, and indirectly we all end up paying to restore the damage in Iran that Trump’s misguided escapade has done, with the regime still in place and likely even more determined to find a way of getting back at the west than before.
The world was on a straight run to disaster, and that has been paused. Something to celebrate.
Is the world still a mess ? Absolutely. But there is at least a chance of improving things now.
Netenyahu's action in Lebanon is an ongoing disgrace. Having undermined and helped impoverish the state for decades, his actions have now displaced and dispossessed up to a fifth of the entire population.
But he depends massively on military aid from the US. If Trump loses interest, it's at least possible that he'll have to retreat (though I expect Israel to seize permanently, and illegally, a large slice if their neighbour's territory).
Hopefully this allows some supply to get out of the strait and keeps further disruption to a minimum.
My expectation/fear is everyone in the US system conveniently forgets that the President was casually threatening genocide on social media the day before.
If I read Malmesbury’s graphs correctly it’s already too late to avoid significant further disruption. The tankers cannot possibly enter, load, voyage and discharge within the next few days. Even the loaded ones will take time to reach their destinations.
It may reduce the length of it.
Two weeks does fuck all relatively. Which is why Iran has agreed to it. The *threat* to close the strait is the weapon.
Looks like a win for Trump as Iran agrees to open the strait.
The strait that was open before Trump attacked.
Iran was building nuclear capability which was far more dangerous.
There is a June 2025 press release from the White House that has the headline “Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News”.
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
I would be delighted, if it looked like it would last. But with the Israelis apparently determined to continue their bombing campaign in Lebanon and with Iran intending to toll ships passing through international waters, with Trump apparently opposed to both, I am not holding my breath. Markets seem to like it, but then the long term damage even of what has happened already is still mostly below the surface and in the future.
It is hard to see how Trump looks good if the principal upshot of operation epic fiasco is that shipping becomes more expensive, and indirectly we all end up paying to restore the damage in Iran that Trump’s misguided escapade has done, with the regime still in place and likely even more determined to find a way of getting back at the west than before.
The world was on a straight run to disaster, and that has been paused. Something to celebrate.
Is the world still a mess ? Absolutely. But there is at least a chance of improving things now.
Netenyahu's action in Lebanon is an ongoing disgrace. Having undermined and helped impoverish the state for decades, his actions have now displaced and dispossessed up to a fifth of the entire population.
But he depends massively on military aid from the US. If Trump loses interest, it's at least possible that he'll have to retreat (though I expect Israel to seize permanently, and illegally, a large slice if their neighbour's territory).
It looks like they have ground to a halt and not going further
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
I'm unequivocally delighted by the ceasefire.
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
I don't know what the impact will be. I don't have enough information and, with respect, neither do you. The Iranian regime was terrible and committing awful atrocities in January before this began, and it is weakened today but still in place - and still settling scores now. That is the chief focus of my concern.
Trump is a menace, and he wants you to talk about him and be obsessed by him. All the time.
So you fall into his trap every time you mention him and brush aside everything else.
Every single time.
You're 99% right.
But I don't think you should ever ignore a US President threatening nuclear genocide, even if you think the chance is 1% or less. This was much, much more serious than any other TACO.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
Sorry Casino, but his music is terrible. No way should a sub-standard performer like that be allowed to perform here while good local acts can't get a gig.
My kids liked his earlier stuff. Considered him funny and witty. It’s not my cup of tea but I don’t agree with the government decision. I have a strong bias towards free speech and people making their own choices. Obviously any hate speech here would have had to have been dealt with but I would have given him the chance.
Having watched several hundred hours of Border Force style programmes (during dark periods) I know that the US and Australia will sling you out if you have a criminal conviction for any kind of drug offence. Self identifying as a Nazi and writing a song about it seems just as bad to me. The only reason why it seems remotely controversial is because he's famous.
Looks like a win for Trump as Iran agrees to open the strait.
The strait that was open before Trump attacked.
Iran was building nuclear capability which was far more dangerous.
Indeed. Only the good guys are allowed to have them.
First we got the bomb and that was good, 'Cause we love peace and motherhood. Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K., 'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way! Who's next? France got the bomb, but don't you grieve, 'Cause they're on our side (I believe). China got the bomb, but have no fears; They can't wipe us out for at least five years! Who's next?
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
Sorry Casino, but his music is terrible. No way should a sub-standard performer like that be allowed to perform here while good local acts can't get a gig.
Why ? If people want to book him and people want to see him. Why not.
I wondered what the reaction of some on this board would be.
It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
If you say specifically who you're referring to you give them the opportunity to respond and clarify their comments, if you have misunderstood them, or they have been stated unclearly.
This sort of general accusation against people on the board is very irritating. It makes it hard for people to reply.
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It seems some of us enjoy being doomed and are perversely disappointed with a ceasefire, so are now flipping to how bad this is for Trump instead. Obsessed.
Meanwhile, BBC report that in Iran, over the past few days, the government has started executing some of those people who were arrested during the protests in January.
Kayne West is as mad as a box of frogs but I don't agree with him being denied entry to the UK or the festival being "cancelled"; I do agree he should have been given a chance to perform but held entirely accountable for his actions whilst here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gxk3kxjr0o
That everyone comes out of this worse off than before it started is fairly clear, isn't it ? Huge economic damage has been done, the US has alienated just about all of its allies, and the Iranian people are suffering more too, as you point out.
Being determined to take no interest in how the US is being run, at a time when it's having outsize influence on what's happening with both the world and our own economy (far more, for example, than our own chancellor), seems to me every bit as odd as being "obsessed" by it.
On balance I agree with you on this, but in current circumstances there's a genuine case for preventing what might well have been a flashpoint for unrest ?
I don't think it's a ridiculous decision, even though it's wrong.
Trump is a menace, and he wants you to talk about him and be obsessed by him. All the time.
So you fall into his trap every time you mention him and brush aside everything else.
Every single time.
Georgia 14th District (Special election to replace Marjorie Taylor Greene):
Republican wins by 12%
(Greene won by 29% in 2024)
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/07/politics/georgia-special-election-results-shawn-harris-clay-fuller-marjorie-taylor-greene
Wisconsin Supreme Court:
Liberal Justice wins by 20%
(State won by Trump in 2024)
Liberals now control Wisconsin Supreme Court 5-2 (whereas it had a Conservative majority up until 2023). Important Court to control given Wisconsin is absolutely key swing state in Presidential elections. Another Conservative Justice retires next year so highly likely it then goes 6-1, cementing Liberal control for many years ahead.
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/07/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-election
So if it's just back to business as usual America will be forced to confront them again in a few months, or accept a nuclear Iran.
If Iran has been negotiating in good faith, of course, it's a big win, but I don't think that's very likely. They're probably just counting on Trump's micro attention span being diverted somewhere else.
As usual in the Middle East, there are no good options, just a choice between the difficult and the disastrous.
Pro-Fish Alaska Democratic candidate Mary Peltola has a 59% chance of flipping the Alaska Senate seat from incumbent Republican Dan Sullivan>/i>
https://x.com/benwfreeman1/status/2040950132674351348
Being the PR person for Peltola's team would be a great gig, because you can literally just post the word "Fish." and get a million likes.
She has it in the bag.
https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2040954558306717829
Fish.
https://x.com/MaryPeltola/status/2041698823161131078
Let’s see what today brings.
Trump and Netanyahu's SMO has been an unmitigated disaster for everyone except those who wanted to annex part of Lebanon and some ambitious surviving Iranians in the leadership.
Let's hope it ends here and Trump is sufficiently politically damaged that there are no further SMOs. Though I think the latter unlikely.
The risk is Trump tries to recapture his 'Venezuelan high' with Cuba. Or Greenland.
Having lost to Iran - and he has lost - he will probably think twice before taking on Denmark. That might cause Vance and Congress to pull the trigger at last (although given they are such spineless cretins that’s at best a 50/50 shot).
We still need to seriously rethink our relationship with a country that thinks it’s ok to elect someone like Trump. We have far less in common than we like to think.
It is hard to see how Trump looks good if the principal upshot of operation epic fiasco is that shipping becomes more expensive, and indirectly we all end up paying to restore the damage in Iran that Trump’s misguided escapade has done, with the regime still in place and likely even more determined to find a way of getting back at the west than before.
Because I would have thought that the ships currently in the Gulf would be aiming to get out as soon as possible.
Whereas other ships would not be willing to enter the Gulf unless they were confident that they could sail in, load up and sail out within the two weeks.
Trumpler will have to openly threaten to nuke Tehran next time as he has no ante left to up. And there will be a next time. 2 weeks for Iran to organise a barrage of counter attacks suits it well.
I know we have some Quislings on this board who obsequiously kneel before Trump, but even they must have noticed their ranks thinned to nothing.
America is done. Even if sanity returns and a President is elected, it will take them decades to recover from this.
My expectation/fear is everyone in the US system conveniently forgets that the President was casually threatening genocide on social media the day before.
It may reduce the length of it.
Is the world still a mess ? Absolutely.
But there is at least a chance of improving things now.
Netenyahu's action in Lebanon is an ongoing disgrace. Having undermined and helped impoverish the state for decades, his actions have now displaced and dispossessed up to a fifth of the entire population.
But he depends massively on military aid from the US. If Trump loses interest, it's at least possible that he'll have to retreat (though I expect Israel to seize permanently, and illegally, a large slice if their neighbour's territory).
The popcorn may well still be in date.
Trump lost this war in every possible sense — morally, legally, politically, economically, reputationally, and strategically.
Twice.
Which I suspect is the only thing he cares about now.
https://x.com/_zachfoster/status/2041645881628237987?s=61
Both the US and Israel come out of this appearing far more weaker militarily than they went into it.
If the NYT story is correct then there was either a massive failure by Israeli intelligence or massive over ramping
But I don't think you should ever ignore a US President threatening nuclear genocide, even if you think the chance is 1% or less. This was much, much more serious than any other TACO.
NEW THREAD
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K.,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way!
Who's next?
France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears;
They can't wipe us out for at least five years!
Who's next?
https://tomlehrersongs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/12-Whos-Next-1.mp3
The greatest defeat since David smote Goliath (and probably in the same part of the world)
This sort of general accusation against people on the board is very irritating. It makes it hard for people to reply.