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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I find your analysis very informative and interesting whereas I could predict @HYUFD slant on polling before he makes it
    Thank you. I make plenty of errors though and i have my biases. But definitely last nights Tory holds were nothing to do with tactical voting. In both cases in 2023 voters wanting to 'stop the Tory' had on,y one option - Lab in Axholme, LD in Sevenoaks. This time they had 4 options in Ax, 3 in Seven.
    4 and 5 horse races (where those horses are the recognised national thoroughbreds) are rarely won on massive vote shares of 50% plus. 2 horse races are always won on 50% plus vote shares. Theres no rocket science or mystery to it.
    That is simply not the case.

    The issue is no longer 'Stop the Tory' the issue is 'Stop Reform' for Lab and LD voters in Tory held seats. Hence the Labour and LD votes were down in Axholme and Sevenoaks respectively, Reform were a clear second in both seats but the Tories held both seats despite the Tory vote being down about 20% in both seats in a straight Tory to Reform shift
    And that's the difficult judgement for the Conservatives.

    They can only be a Stop Reform party by clearly rejecting Reform. People Like Me (a minority, sure, but potentially Conservative-curious) aren't going to back the Conservatives if they are going to enable Nigel.

    But if the price of stopping Nigel is permitting Keir? Ouch.

    That's the price of being third, or worse, in the polls.
    Indeed, as long as Reform remain the main party of the right in polls, no longer the Conservatives, Conservative incumbent councillors and MPs can only hold on with Labour and LD tactical votes to beat Reform as you say.

    If the Tories are only third or worse in May on seats won and behind Labour as well as Reform mutterings will start again over whether Cleverly would be a better bet to win those tactical votes than Kemi is
    Seats won now is it? I thought it was NEV
    Goalposts being moved
    It was the latter but basically it is both
    No it is not both
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I find your analysis very informative and interesting whereas I could predict @HYUFD slant on polling before he makes it
    Thank you. I make plenty of errors though and i have my biases. But definitely last nights Tory holds were nothing to do with tactical voting. In both cases in 2023 voters wanting to 'stop the Tory' had on,y one option - Lab in Axholme, LD in Sevenoaks. This time they had 4 options in Ax, 3 in Seven.
    4 and 5 horse races (where those horses are the recognised national thoroughbreds) are rarely won on massive vote shares of 50% plus. 2 horse races are always won on 50% plus vote shares. Theres no rocket science or mystery to it.
    That is simply not the case.

    The issue is no longer 'Stop the Tory' the issue is 'Stop Reform' for Lab and LD voters in Tory held seats. Hence the Labour and LD votes were down in Axholme and Sevenoaks respectively, Reform were a clear second in both seats but the Tories held both seats despite the Tory vote being down about 20% in both seats in a straight Tory to Reform shift
    And that's the difficult judgement for the Conservatives.

    They can only be a Stop Reform party by clearly rejecting Reform. People Like Me (a minority, sure, but potentially Conservative-curious) aren't going to back the Conservatives if they are going to enable Nigel.

    But if the price of stopping Nigel is permitting Keir? Ouch.

    That's the price of being third, or worse, in the polls.
    Indeed, as long as Reform remain the main party of the right in polls, no longer the Conservatives, Conservative incumbent councillors and MPs can only hold on with Labour and LD tactical votes to beat Reform as you say.

    If the Tories are only third or worse in May on seats won and behind Labour as well as Reform mutterings will start again over whether Cleverly would be a better bet to win those tactical votes than Kemi is
    Seats won now is it? I thought it was NEV
    Goalposts being moved
    It was the latter but basically it is both
    Obviously they'll win fewer wards than Labour. They start on 1200 less FFS
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,578
    viewcode said:

    Evening,

    Please give me some good news.

    Love'n'kisses,

    solarflare

    The relative in hospital (who I was convinced was going to die and whose symptoms indicated exactly that) was discharged from hospital earlier this week, albeit into the arms of a care team. I am now productively working back in work instead of (as I dreaded) arranging a funeral.
    I am very gladdened to hear this.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I find your analysis very informative and interesting whereas I could predict @HYUFD slant on polling before he makes it
    Thank you. I make plenty of errors though and i have my biases. But definitely last nights Tory holds were nothing to do with tactical voting. In both cases in 2023 voters wanting to 'stop the Tory' had on,y one option - Lab in Axholme, LD in Sevenoaks. This time they had 4 options in Ax, 3 in Seven.
    4 and 5 horse races (where those horses are the recognised national thoroughbreds) are rarely won on massive vote shares of 50% plus. 2 horse races are always won on 50% plus vote shares. Theres no rocket science or mystery to it.
    That is simply not the case.

    The issue is no longer 'Stop the Tory' the issue is 'Stop Reform' for Lab and LD voters in Tory held seats. Hence the Labour and LD votes were down in Axholme and Sevenoaks respectively, Reform were a clear second in both seats but the Tories held both seats despite the Tory vote being down about 20% in both seats in a straight Tory to Reform shift
    And that's the difficult judgement for the Conservatives.

    They can only be a Stop Reform party by clearly rejecting Reform. People Like Me (a minority, sure, but potentially Conservative-curious) aren't going to back the Conservatives if they are going to enable Nigel.

    But if the price of stopping Nigel is permitting Keir? Ouch.

    That's the price of being third, or worse, in the polls.
    Indeed, as long as Reform remain the main party of the right in polls, no longer the Conservatives, Conservative incumbent councillors and MPs can only hold on with Labour and LD tactical votes to beat Reform as you say.

    If the Tories are only third or worse in May on seats won and behind Labour as well as Reform mutterings will start again over whether Cleverly would be a better bet to win those tactical votes than Kemi is
    Seats won now is it? I thought it was NEV
    Goalposts being moved
    It was the latter but basically it is both
    Obviously they'll win fewer wards than Labour. They start on 1200 less FFS
    So that is one down, lower on NEV than Labour too as well as behind Reform and there is your VONC in Kemi
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422
    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    Ban all symbols of religion, the burqa, the crucifix, the dog collar, etc. Then ban all religion. Give peace a chance.
    I'm intrigued by nuns' habits.
    Two nuns sharing a Bath. One says ‘Where’s the soap?’. The other says ‘Yes, it does rather’.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    England v Uruguay is just boring
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,462
    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I find your analysis very informative and interesting whereas I could predict @HYUFD slant on polling before he makes it
    Thank you. I make plenty of errors though and i have my biases. But definitely last nights Tory holds were nothing to do with tactical voting. In both cases in 2023 voters wanting to 'stop the Tory' had on,y one option - Lab in Axholme, LD in Sevenoaks. This time they had 4 options in Ax, 3 in Seven.
    4 and 5 horse races (where those horses are the recognised national thoroughbreds) are rarely won on massive vote shares of 50% plus. 2 horse races are always won on 50% plus vote shares. Theres no rocket science or mystery to it.
    That is simply not the case.

    The issue is no longer 'Stop the Tory' the issue is 'Stop Reform' for Lab and LD voters in Tory held seats. Hence the Labour and LD votes were down in Axholme and Sevenoaks respectively, Reform were a clear second in both seats but the Tories held both seats despite the Tory vote being down about 20% in both seats in a straight Tory to Reform shift
    And that's the difficult judgement for the Conservatives.

    They can only be a Stop Reform party by clearly rejecting Reform. People Like Me (a minority, sure, but potentially Conservative-curious) aren't going to back the Conservatives if they are going to enable Nigel.

    But if the price of stopping Nigel is permitting Keir? Ouch.

    That's the price of being third, or worse, in the polls.
    Indeed, as long as Reform remain the main party of the right in polls, no longer the Conservatives, Conservative incumbent councillors and MPs can only hold on with Labour and LD tactical votes to beat Reform as you say.

    If the Tories are only third or worse in May on seats won and behind Labour as well as Reform mutterings will start again over whether Cleverly would be a better bet to win those tactical votes than Kemi is
    Seats won now is it? I thought it was NEV
    Goalposts being moved
    It was the latter but basically it is both
    Obviously they'll win fewer wards than Labour. They start on 1200 less FFS
    So that is one down, lower on NEV than Labour too as well as behind Reform and there is your VONC in Kemi
    LOL
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    edited March 27

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,462

    Tiger Woods arrested at scene of his car crash

    Woods not injured apparently

    Under the influence apparently
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,080
    carnforth said:

    DavidL said:

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    It would be interesting to see the left’s reaction if all Reform voters wives were suddenly dressed from head to toe in black sackcloths, except for when they were at home with the Reform male. I doubt it would be tossed aside as ‘their freedom to wear whatever they liked’
    "Reform voters wives" sounds like the world's worst pornographic magazine.
    Leaders' Wives...
    Not the same since Sam Cam.
    Certainly given that her successor was Philip May.

    (It's the end of term. Some wine may have been drunk. However, in tribute to @Leon, I have just bought some vintage silk cravats, to go with my developing "increasingly aged eccentric" professional persona.)


    I shall imagine you this way henceforth.
    The SI unit of coolness for old men with cravats is Ian McShane in the John Wick movies.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I find your analysis very informative and interesting whereas I could predict @HYUFD slant on polling before he makes it
    Thank you. I make plenty of errors though and i have my biases. But definitely last nights Tory holds were nothing to do with tactical voting. In both cases in 2023 voters wanting to 'stop the Tory' had on,y one option - Lab in Axholme, LD in Sevenoaks. This time they had 4 options in Ax, 3 in Seven.
    4 and 5 horse races (where those horses are the recognised national thoroughbreds) are rarely won on massive vote shares of 50% plus. 2 horse races are always won on 50% plus vote shares. Theres no rocket science or mystery to it.
    That is simply not the case.

    The issue is no longer 'Stop the Tory' the issue is 'Stop Reform' for Lab and LD voters in Tory held seats. Hence the Labour and LD votes were down in Axholme and Sevenoaks respectively, Reform were a clear second in both seats but the Tories held both seats despite the Tory vote being down about 20% in both seats in a straight Tory to Reform shift
    And that's the difficult judgement for the Conservatives.

    They can only be a Stop Reform party by clearly rejecting Reform. People Like Me (a minority, sure, but potentially Conservative-curious) aren't going to back the Conservatives if they are going to enable Nigel.

    But if the price of stopping Nigel is permitting Keir? Ouch.

    That's the price of being third, or worse, in the polls.
    Indeed, as long as Reform remain the main party of the right in polls, no longer the Conservatives, Conservative incumbent councillors and MPs can only hold on with Labour and LD tactical votes to beat Reform as you say.

    If the Tories are only third or worse in May on seats won and behind Labour as well as Reform mutterings will start again over whether Cleverly would be a better bet to win those tactical votes than Kemi is
    Seats won now is it? I thought it was NEV
    Goalposts being moved
    It was the latter but basically it is both
    Obviously they'll win fewer wards than Labour. They start on 1200 less FFS
    So that is one down, lower on NEV than Labour too as well as behind Reform and there is your VONC in Kemi
    Lmao
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,733

    Tiger Woods arrested at scene of his car crash

    Woods not injured apparently

    Under the influence apparently
    He can't afford a chauffeur?
    Or at least a cab when pissed?
    Summat deep going on with him.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    edited March 27
    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422
    kle4 said:

    There was "no evidence" of "family voting" or voter coercion at the Gorton and Denton by-election, police have concluded after an investigation.

    Reform UK leader, Nigel Farage, reported allegations of the illegal practice after the poll last month to Greater Manchester Police and the Electoral Commission.

    Assuming (absent evidence to the contrary) a competent investigation, that is very good news.
    Rather at odds with the claims (not Farage) on the night. I’d love to believe the police but in recent years they’ve not exactly been stellar.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2037631705780015396

    Russia announces its banning the export of gasoline
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,906
    Oh!



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Angela Rayner is contesting claims that she failed to pay enough stamp duty on the purchase of her £800,000 flat in Hove, East Sussex

    ...


    The Times has been told that she has subsequently taken new legal advice which argues that she did not need to pay the higher rate of stamp duty. The new advice has been submitted to HMRC. It is understood to highlight “complexities” surrounding the trust

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037635051924697312
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,972
    edited March 27

    kle4 said:

    There was "no evidence" of "family voting" or voter coercion at the Gorton and Denton by-election, police have concluded after an investigation.

    Reform UK leader, Nigel Farage, reported allegations of the illegal practice after the poll last month to Greater Manchester Police and the Electoral Commission.

    Assuming (absent evidence to the contrary) a competent investigation, that is very good news.
    Rather at odds with the claims (not Farage) on the night. I’d love to believe the police but in recent years they’ve not exactly been stellar.
    The legislation appears to be quite poorly drafted. Apparently there needs to be evidence of verbal instruction or physical contact for there to be an offence, while going into the booth at the same time is no problem.

    The observers do not allege any verbal instruction or physical conduct that indicated one person was directing or coercing another regarding how to vote. This is a crucial part of the legislation to prove such an offence was committed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,233

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    It would be interesting to see the left’s reaction if all Reform voters wives were suddenly dressed from head to toe in black sackcloths, except for when they were at home with the Reform male. I doubt it would be tossed aside as ‘their freedom to wear whatever they liked’
    "Reform voters wives" sounds like the world's worst pornographic magazine.
    ‘Lucy, 42, Northampton, enjoys eating and burning immigrants. Phwoarrr!’
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422

    England v Uruguay is just boring

    Some cracking dirty tackles mind.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    It would be interesting to see the left’s reaction if all Reform voters wives were suddenly dressed from head to toe in black sackcloths, except for when they were at home with the Reform male. I doubt it would be tossed aside as ‘their freedom to wear whatever they liked’
    "Reform voters wives" sounds like the world's worst pornographic magazine.
    ‘Lucy, 42, Northampton, enjoys eating and burning immigrants. Phwoarrr!’
    Reform voter desires wife with convictions. Please send picture of crime scene.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,120

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    It's DUI of the Tiger, it's the thrill of the fight

    Risin' up to the challenge of our rival

    And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night

    And he's watching us all with the eye of the tiger
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,578

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    It would be interesting to see the left’s reaction if all Reform voters wives were suddenly dressed from head to toe in black sackcloths, except for when they were at home with the Reform male. I doubt it would be tossed aside as ‘their freedom to wear whatever they liked’
    "Reform voters wives" sounds like the world's worst pornographic magazine.
    ‘Lucy, 42, Northampton, enjoys eating and burning immigrants. Phwoarrr!’
    "Eating, and burning," or "eating and burning"? Is Lucy a cannibal? Jesus.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iranian missiles and drones have hit Saudi Arabia’s Prince Sultan Air Base, damaging several US refuelling aircraft. It’s the second strike on the base.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944

    Oh!



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Angela Rayner is contesting claims that she failed to pay enough stamp duty on the purchase of her £800,000 flat in Hove, East Sussex

    ...


    The Times has been told that she has subsequently taken new legal advice which argues that she did not need to pay the higher rate of stamp duty. The new advice has been submitted to HMRC. It is understood to highlight “complexities” surrounding the trust

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037635051924697312

    Bring your greed back into the headlines Angie. That'll work
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    dixiedean said:

    Tiger Woods arrested at scene of his car crash

    Woods not injured apparently

    Under the influence apparently
    He can't afford a chauffeur?
    Or at least a cab when pissed?
    Summat deep going on with him.
    A bit like Hugh Grant and the prostitute there is a subconscious desire to be caught.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,120

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I am glad you are being modest and self-effacing.

    All the best polling and electoral analysts share those traits.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iranian missiles and drones have hit Saudi Arabia’s Prince Sultan Air Base, damaging several US refuelling aircraft. It’s the second strike on the base.

    That cannot be correct. All their missiles have been destroyed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,594
    They really can't admit responsibility even for stuff they're advocating.
    This is contemptible from Rubio.

    Marco Rubio contradicting himself in just 60 seconds.

    "We didn't tell @ZelenskyyUa that security guarantees were conditional on giving up Donbas"

    "If he wants the war to end so we can provide security guarantees then he has to give up Donbas, but we didn't say that, the russians did, we just told him the guarantees won't kick in until he does what russia wants"

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/2037592107951514113
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,579
    dixiedean said:

    Tiger Woods arrested at scene of his car crash

    Woods not injured apparently

    Under the influence apparently
    He can't afford a chauffeur?
    Or at least a cab when pissed?
    Summat deep going on with him.
    Not booze:

    “Woods did a breathalyzer test, blew triple zeros, but when it came time for us to ask for a urinalysis test, he refused, and so he’s been charged with DUI,” he said.

    But your point stands.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,120

    Oh!



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Angela Rayner is contesting claims that she failed to pay enough stamp duty on the purchase of her £800,000 flat in Hove, East Sussex

    ...


    The Times has been told that she has subsequently taken new legal advice which argues that she did not need to pay the higher rate of stamp duty. The new advice has been submitted to HMRC. It is understood to highlight “complexities” surrounding the trust

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037635051924697312

    Bring your greed back into the headlines Angie. That'll work
    The key quote in that tweet.

    Dan Neidle, a tax expert, said: “It seems she didn’t realise that having the Hove property held by a trust with her son as beneficiary made it her second home for stamp-duty purposes. If that’s the case, it’s super-simple: she has to pay the tax. Her lawyers said she should take tax advice and she didn’t. That is likely to mean penalties are due.”
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iranian missiles and drones have hit Saudi Arabia’s Prince Sultan Air Base, damaging several US refuelling aircraft. It’s the second strike on the base.

    That cannot be correct. All their missiles have been destroyed.
    You are right, all of their missiles, well, not all, maybe actually probably about one third of ALL THEIR MISSILES WERE DESTROYED.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good evening all.
    Was giving some thought earlier to the May locals, the Fisher prediction and Reforms prospects and a comment on here the other day about at what level Reforms vote starts to become inefficient.
    Last year in their annus mirabilis they got 30 or 32% NEV depending if youre a Thrasher or Beeb kinda girl. Likely theyll get a bit lower this year imo for reasons discussed at length previously. I think NEV just above mid twenties (say 26 or 27) might be cut off below which they start to lose a vast number of wards narrowly when running up against stronger areas for Red or Blue (say Sandwell or Solihull as examples or Barking and Bromley)
    Last night, for example, Reform hit good vote shares in Axholme and Sevenoaks but they were a long way from taking either.
    If Reform are going to 'confirm' the breakthrough of 2025 they need a strong turnout of their vote and a depressed turnout of the others. Id say theyll partially get the latter (esp Labour) but have they got the ground game to fire up the former?
    Maybe a lot of near misses await......

    The Tories only held Axholme and Sevenoaks with heavy tactical voting for them to beat Reform from Labour and LD voters respectively.

    As I said earlier only heavy tactical voting for incumbent councillors and MPs will likely enable them to hold off Reform insurgents
    LDs in Sevenoaks are not voting Tory tactically to beat Reform when they would have considered themsrlves the challengers for the ward
    They are, the LD vote was down 14% in that Sevenoaks ward, given Reform got 29% and the Tory vote was down 20%, without LDs tactically voting Tory it could have been a Reform gain not a Tory hold
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2037327448862339391?s=20
    @wooliedyed is far more forensic and correct on analysing these results than you will ever be
    Oh dont make me blush ;)
    Soneone will be along to tell you I talk a load of old cock
    I am glad you are being modest and self-effacing.

    All the best polling and electoral analysts share those traits.
    I'm really fucking good at modest self-effacery
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Goal looks legit to me.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    Nigelb said:

    They really can't admit responsibility even for stuff they're advocating.
    This is contemptible from Rubio.

    Marco Rubio contradicting himself in just 60 seconds.

    "We didn't tell @ZelenskyyUa that security guarantees were conditional on giving up Donbas"

    "If he wants the war to end so we can provide security guarantees then he has to give up Donbas, but we didn't say that, the russians did, we just told him the guarantees won't kick in until he does what russia wants"

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/2037592107951514113

    As seen elsewhere, the State Department is just 3 marcos rubio in a trenchcoat now
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    There will be no vonc and I have no idea what your motive is but you are looking quite ridiculous
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    @erikhane.bsky.social‬

    The other day on a bar TV i saw one of the most dystopic live "sporting events" I've ever encountered: indoor simulated golf??? It was like Top Golf except they were taking it seriously. Tiger Woods was there for some reason. He looked like he wanted to kill himself. Now to check the news
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,949

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    It would be interesting to see the left’s reaction if all Reform voters wives were suddenly dressed from head to toe in black sackcloths, except for when they were at home with the Reform male. I doubt it would be tossed aside as ‘their freedom to wear whatever they liked’
    "Reform voters wives" sounds like the world's worst pornographic magazine.
    Oh, sweet child....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Nigelb said:

    They really can't admit responsibility even for stuff they're advocating.
    This is contemptible from Rubio.

    Marco Rubio contradicting himself in just 60 seconds.

    "We didn't tell @ZelenskyyUa that security guarantees were conditional on giving up Donbas"

    "If he wants the war to end so we can provide security guarantees then he has to give up Donbas, but we didn't say that, the russians did, we just told him the guarantees won't kick in until he does what russia wants"

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/2037592107951514113

    That’s a misrepresentation of what Rubio says there.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    You do not get that choice in view of your efforts to undermine her

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,462

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    It's DUI of the Tiger, it's the thrill of the fight

    Risin' up to the challenge of our rival

    And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night

    And he's watching us all with the eye of the tiger
    I'm in bed going to have nightmares of you singing that!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    "The move to put Mr Trump's countenance on a coin - which runs counter to federal law that says no living president may appear on US currency - has been criticised by his Democratic opponents."

    This sort of thing is now routine. It's a very small news story about something not that important. Breaking the law to big up the President and treat him like a king. No big deal.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,906

    "The move to put Mr Trump's countenance on a coin - which runs counter to federal law that says no living president may appear on US currency - has been criticised by his Democratic opponents."

    This sort of thing is now routine. It's a very small news story about something not that important. Breaking the law to big up the President and treat him like a king. No big deal.
    No Kings protests this weekend iirc.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,566
    I think this game is showing that England don't have quite the strength in depth that they thought they had.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,181

    Oh!



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Angela Rayner is contesting claims that she failed to pay enough stamp duty on the purchase of her £800,000 flat in Hove, East Sussex

    ...


    The Times has been told that she has subsequently taken new legal advice which argues that she did not need to pay the higher rate of stamp duty. The new advice has been submitted to HMRC. It is understood to highlight “complexities” surrounding the trust

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2037635051924697312

    Mad to think she'd probably be PM now if she'd just paid her stamp duty.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Penalty...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,687

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    It's DUI of the Tiger, it's the thrill of the fight

    Risin' up to the challenge of our rival

    And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night

    And he's watching us all with the eye of the tiger
    Rocky Road!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Crowd not happy...

    Uruguay equalise.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    edited March 27
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422
    Foxy said:

    Penalty...

    Shocking decision

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    @dlippman

    SCOOP: Acting ICE head Todd Lyons has been hospitalized at least twice for stress-related issues during the Trump admin., 4 sources told me. They also said that the White House places lots of pressure on him and that Stephen Miller yells at him on calls.

    @ATJackson47

    Shame on Politico for publishing such inaccurate trash.

    Todd Lyons is an American patriot who has worked tirelessly to undo Biden's disastrous immigration policies that wreaked havoc on American communities. And the American people are deeply appreciative for his hard work making our country safer.

    Despite multiple on record denials and sources refuting their pathetic 'reporting' and *still* ran with this absurd article.

    @GovPressOffice

    The White House is upset that Politico reported that Stephen Miller is an asshole.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
    I think your ultimate loyalty will be required then as I expect Tories to be second on NEV.
    Not long to find out
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,716

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2037631705780015396

    Russia announces its banning the export of gasoline

    This could be either domestic shortages or reducing supply to put further pressure on oil importing nations’ economies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779

    Foxy said:

    Penalty...

    Shocking decision

    The weird one was Ugarte's phantom second yellow
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,033

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2037631705780015396

    Russia announces its banning the export of gasoline

    This could be either domestic shortages or reducing supply to put further pressure on oil importing nations’ economies.
    Filled my tank this morning. This is coming.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,120

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    It's DUI of the Tiger, it's the thrill of the fight

    Risin' up to the challenge of our rival

    And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night

    And he's watching us all with the eye of the tiger
    I'm in bed going to have nightmares of you singing that!
    My singing ability is only matched by my ability to be subtle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,906
    Mr Memory
    @AmIRightSir

    The longest continuously-serving member of the House of Lords (its equivalent of Father of the House), Lord Trefgarne, retires from the House today - he first took his seat in July 1962 and is the last person in Parliament to have sat in the 1959 and 1964 Parliaments

    https://x.com/AmIRightSir/status/2037513967954723076
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,716

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    There will be no vonc and I have no idea what your motive is but you are looking quite ridiculous
    I hope and trust it’s neither of:
    Racism
    Mysogyny
    Being a secret Reform supporter

    I assume it’s just your inability to admit you are wrong when confronted with new facts.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,963

    "The move to put Mr Trump's countenance on a coin - which runs counter to federal law that says no living president may appear on US currency - has been criticised by his Democratic opponents."

    This sort of thing is now routine. It's a very small news story about something not that important. Breaking the law to big up the President and treat him like a king. No big deal.
    He may not yet be a dictator. But, remarkably, he’s behaving like a dictator of several years’ standing. The golden statue stuff usually happens many years into a dictatorship.

    We were talking books last night, and the pros and cons of keeping them or giving them away. I have Peter York’s Dictators’ Homes on the shelf. A daily reminder of the warning signs. And Trump flashes bright red on the Peter York circuit board.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,769
    edited March 27
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,785

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    Ban all symbols of religion, the burqa, the crucifix, the dog collar, etc. Then ban all religion. Give peace a chance.
    I'm intrigued by nuns' habits.
    Two nuns sharing a Bath. One says ‘Where’s the soap?’. The other says ‘Yes, it does rather’.
    45 years since I last heard that joke.

    Along with the "candles out" gag.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    edited March 27

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,785

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
    I think your ultimate loyalty will be required then as I expect Tories to be second on NEV.
    Not long to find out
    4th or 5th is my thinking.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,972
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
    You are relentlesly wrong
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,963
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    I saw a woman in a full face veil yesterday. I reckon I see maybe one or two a year. I live in inner London.

    Women in veils are roughly as rare, and roughly as obsessed about, as trans women. In fact almost certainly substantially rarer.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,716
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
    In that case, there is no possible leader for the Tories.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    edited March 27

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
    You are relentlesly wrong
    Tory MPs unlike Labour MPs do not do sentimentality in their leaders. If they could effectively remove general election winners like Thatcher and Boris after falling poll ratings and poor local election results not to mention their removal of IDS and forced resignations of May and Truss they can certainly remove Kemi. Unlike Labour MPs Tory MPs also have the final say on removing an existing leader, whereas Labour MPs could not remove Corbyn as Labour members voted to keep him
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
    I think your ultimate loyalty will be required then as I expect Tories to be second on NEV.
    Not long to find out
    4th or 5th is my thinking.
    Nah, LDs and Greens will put out fewer candidates and fall back in NEV and Labour are gash
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,764
    edited March 27

    "The move to put Mr Trump's countenance on a coin - which runs counter to federal law that says no living president may appear on US currency - has been criticised by his Democratic opponents."

    This sort of thing is now routine. It's a very small news story about something not that important. Breaking the law to big up the President and treat him like a king. No big deal.
    Public servant dies. "Glad he's dead". No big deal.

    x 1000
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,663
    Was that a penalty? Seemed a bit harsh.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,579
    edited March 27
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Mentioning practices which give away which religion it is in the question seems like poor polling practice.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,950
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
    You are relentlesly wrong
    Tory MPs unlike Labour MPs do not do sentimentality in their leaders. If they could effectively remove general election winners like Thatcher and Boris not to mention their removal of IDS and forced resignations of May and Truss they can certainly remove Kemi. Unlike Labour MPs Tory MPs also have the final say on removing an existing leader, whereas Labour MPs could not remove Corbyn as Labour members voted to keep him
    You are going to have a huge egg on your face in May and be paying out your bet
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,408
    Donald's escaped from the old people's home again.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,785

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
    I think your ultimate loyalty will be required then as I expect Tories to be second on NEV.
    Not long to find out
    4th or 5th is my thinking.
    Nah, LDs and Greens will put out fewer candidates and fall back in NEV and Labour are gash
    NEV takes account of such things.

    Reform
    LibDems
    Green
    Labour/Conservative fighting for 4th
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,687
    MelonB said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    I saw a woman in a full face veil yesterday. I reckon I see maybe one or two a year. I live in inner London.

    Women in veils are roughly as rare, and roughly as obsessed about, as trans women. In fact almost certainly substantially rarer.
    Veils are very common here in Ilford.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,169
    Had an idea about how Hormuz could be cleared of possible mines.

    Requisition some oligarch's yachts, crew them with a wannabe D listers and make it a reality show.

    And who should command this enterprise ?

    Initially I thought of PB's own naval veteran, Arabic speaker and adrenaline junky.

    Then I thought of someone even better.

    Someone with his own naval experience and who has a reputation which needs rehabilitating.

    Step forward the ponce formally known as prince.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,408

    MelonB said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    I saw a woman in a full face veil yesterday. I reckon I see maybe one or two a year. I live in inner London.

    Women in veils are roughly as rare, and roughly as obsessed about, as trans women. In fact almost certainly substantially rarer.
    Veils are very common here in Ilford.
    There's a veil woman on the Reform UK benches....sorry, I meant vile.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ultimate loyalty cannot be conditional, surely?
    My ultimate loyalty is to the party, my loyalty to the party leader depends on their performance
    Good job conservative mps and members back Kemi to make up for conditional so called supporters
    They may do for now, if the Tories are third or worse in May Tory MPs letters will be flooding in to Blackman, they won't vote to keep a leader who will see them lose their seat, pay and perks
    In that case, there is no possible leader for the Tories.
    There is, Cleverly
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,677
    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Penalty...

    Shocking decision

    The weird one was Ugarte's phantom second yellow
    And the ankle breaker being unpunished
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,408
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
    And Bi
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,299
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
    Especially if certain rumours are to be believed...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481

    Donald's escaped from the old people's home again.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2037647170388574387

    Trump: "They have to open up the Strait of Trump-- I mean, Hormuz. Excuse me. Such a terrible mistake. The fake news will say, 'He accidentally said--' No. There's no accidents from me."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779

    MelonB said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    I saw a woman in a full face veil yesterday. I reckon I see maybe one or two a year. I live in inner London.

    Women in veils are roughly as rare, and roughly as obsessed about, as trans women. In fact almost certainly substantially rarer.
    Veils are very common here in Ilford.
    Not unusual in Leicester either.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    edited March 27
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
    Indeed, generally the Roman Catholic church is most hostile to women clergy and bishops but a bit more open to gays, hence the Pope now allows priests to perform prayers for same sex couples. Whereas conservative evangelicals are mostly more open to female clergy with many now having female pastors but fervently anti any recognition of gay relationships still
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,944

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tiger charged with "driving under influence"

    Luckily it seems nobody was killed in that crash or he would have been facing a lengthy jail term having been DUI. Another sporting genius with a less than brilliant personal life
    I think its very likely the crash will lead to a VONC in Kemi and James Cleverly being made leader, frankly
    56 Tory MPs are projected to lose their seats on the latest Nowcast. That is more than enough for a VONC if May's local and devolved elections are poor for the Tories
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    And you keep moving the definition of 'poor' because what you actually want is Kemi gone regardless of the results
    Thats fine, just say it rather than this ridiculous dance
    No if the Tories are first or second in May I will be Kemi's ultimate loyalist
    Ah but first or second in what! Seats? NEV? Votes cast? All regions and nations? The Premier League?
    NEV, which is achievable at least even if not seats given most seats up are in urban areas this year not the shires
    I think your ultimate loyalty will be required then as I expect Tories to be second on NEV.
    Not long to find out
    4th or 5th is my thinking.
    Nah, LDs and Greens will put out fewer candidates and fall back in NEV and Labour are gash
    NEV takes account of such things.

    Reform
    LibDems
    Green
    Labour/Conservative fighting for 4th
    Reform
    Conservative
    LD
    Labour
    Green
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,687
    Foxy said:

    MelonB said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    I saw a woman in a full face veil yesterday. I reckon I see maybe one or two a year. I live in inner London.

    Women in veils are roughly as rare, and roughly as obsessed about, as trans women. In fact almost certainly substantially rarer.
    Veils are very common here in Ilford.
    Not unusual in Leicester either.

    I find them more comical than threatening, per se.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,972

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
    And Bi
    Swinging both ways, catholic and protestant?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,716
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    "Badenoch considers burka ban

    Tories understood to be ‘looking closely’ at merits of veto on face coverings as part of a review of Islamism"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/27/kemi-badenoch-conservatives-burka-ban/

    Poignantly, I saw a woman in a full burqa today, not far from my flat. I cannot know her inner state but her body language expressed great unhappiness. Weighed down by these hideous deathly black shrouds. I do not believe any woman under 60 - if any - would voluntarily wear these appalling garments, They are symbols of misogyny and TOOLS of misogyny

    Kemi is right. Ban them

    It would outflank Labour on closer alignment with Europe on the issues that people care about.
    Kemi imputes that she knows how many thousands of people think, and evaluates them according to her personal opinions.

    Kemi is a knee-jerking fool. This is no better than Farage or Anderson.
    And yet this ban is what a vast majority of Brits want, according to polls. And several European countries - not notably Nazi - have banned them. And they are banned in multiple Muslim countries

    So what exactly is your objection?
    Catching up,

    If there is no evidence of a basis for implementing a policy, then it is a matter of prejudice - which is not how we seek to operate as a society. There are only perhaps 1% of Muslim women who wear a full-face veil; that should be their choice.

    I see from the Telegraph article that Kemi suggests that she views this as a low priority.

    The thing that I find most startling in the survey is that 76% of the respondents want to ban "exclusion of women from religious leadership". Would you support that? That would ban the male only Roman Catholic priesthood, and male only Episcopates.



    Gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a5ca0614bc035101
    Who knows, we might have a woman Bishop of Rome before long.
    I highly doubt it, I would expect a gay Pope before a female one, Roman Catholics don't even yet allow female deacons let alone female priests and bishops, cardinals and Popes
    I suspect we've already had gay Popes.
    And Bi
    Swinging both ways, catholic and protestant?
    There’s methodism in their madness.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2037648523361923527

    Trump: "I want to thank the entire kingdom of Saudi Arabia. You've been very helpful, unlike NATO."
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