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What would Ronald Reagan think? – politicalbetting.com

Fears are mounting in Britain and the rest of Europe that America will abandon its Nato allies and make a deal with Russia, sources have disclosed to The Times.

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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Ronald Reagan would be proud that there was once again a US president prepared to think the unthinkable and "do business" with the Russians.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,496
    Reagan's shining city on the hill is no more.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,771
    He was a great President
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,496

    He was a great President

    What was your favourite part? Ending the cold war? Surely not delaying the release of the Iran hostages so Carter did not benefit, the Iran-Contra scandal, tripling US debt to $3 trillion?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,663
    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    A military coup?

    The problem is, how do you have a military coup and stay out of prison for the rest of your life? These sorts of things develop a momentum of their own, and I'm not sure that the US would be in any fit state to help defend Europe if the military kicked off a crisis by launching a coup.

    There's no way out while Trump has such a hold on his voters that other Republican politicians are too chickenshit to stand against him.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,844
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
    From the viewpoint of his country's adversaries, he is indeed.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,612
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
    At what? Enriching himself?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,424
    Trump would have made a deal with Hitler and would have just shrugged when news of the gas chambers emerged .

    He is a monster , true evil without a shred of humanity .
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    If US credibility and power were genuinely in the gutter, the markets wouldn't respond to the things Trump says.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,014
    Fine but unless Zelensky agrees to such a deal too it won't mean anything. Given Trump is also involved in war with Iran, a Russian ally, he is also hardly going to send US forces to support Russia in Ukraine so this means nothing more than again the fact Europe needs to spend more on its own defence
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
    Really?

    I am open to good news about Trump, I don't have TDS. I think he's done a great job on immigration, and I support the ICE stuff, even if it goes wrong from time to time, remember America is ejecting criminals that rape and kill Americans

    Venezuela, was daring and brilliant. He's doing OK-ish on the economy

    But the looming Iranian debacle kinda dwarfs all that, and makes the idea he is doing "a good job" seem insane. He is imperilling the entire world, because he went to war on a whim, perhaps dragged by Netanyahu, and he apparently had no plan in place to prevent Iran doing exactly what they would obviously do: take out all the regional oil infra and close the Straits of Hormuz, threatening worldwide calamity

    That is criminally irresponsible, as things stand. Now, maybe Trump is playing 9D chess and there IS a secret hidden plan, but I've yet to see any evidence of it and everything points to this being a major blunder which will get worse, not better

    I hope I am wrong and you are right
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,844
    nico67 said:

    Trump would have made a deal with Hitler and would have just shrugged when news of the gas chambers emerged .

    He is a monster , true evil without a shred of humanity .

    If one believes that demonic possession is a possibility, then he is a good candidate for it.

    He revels in causing harm.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,233

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    Trump behaves like he is the president of ‘the West’, albeit in the same bullying, corrupt, transactional way he is president of the United States. People, countries, organisations, they all exist to do things for him, not the other way round.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,844

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    Trump behaves like he is the president of ‘the West’, albeit in the same bullying, corrupt, transactional way he is president of the United States. People, countries, organisations, they all exist to do things for him, not the other way round.
    In fact, he is not transactional. Transactional means you have to keep your end of the bargain.

    He thinks that the armed forces of NATO countries should be his own Praetorian Guard.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,677

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    If US credibility and power were genuinely in the gutter, the markets wouldn't respond to the things Trump says.
    Given the largest market in the world is the market for US government debt, I think it's a reasonable bet that the US President's actions are going to have some impact on 'the markets'.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,844

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    I think Russia's armed forces are now more dangerous for Europe than in 2022. The advances in their use of drones have been very large, and are not matched by any NATO army.

    I'm not convinced that the Polish army will leave the defence of Poland in the case that Russia attacks the Baltic States. It is hard to see Ukrainian forces deploying in any strength to do so. Can Britain, France and Germany defend the Baltic States?

    I have severe doubts.
    But, Russia has burned up huge amounts of manpower and equipment (thank God!)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,422

    Seriously, if you think the USA has Europe's back.... you are freaking dreaming. The American age is coming to an end before our very eyes. The USA is in a very very serious situation.

    They can

    1) invade Iran with boots on the ground and go bankrupt (30 year treasuries hit 5% today and it costs bns to keep that show running - that interest rate will only go up from here). They will be unable to service their other security obligations in Asia and Europe if this goes on ... or

    2) tuck their tails between their legs and go home. But then they cannot enforce the petrodollar and they have to give up their role as hegemon and superpower wherefore the world will ask why it should buy US debt to finance the US military and hence go bankrupt.

    There are no nice outcomes for USA in this. It was a very grave serious geostrategic blunder to attack Iran ... They could have carried on for 10-15 years transitioning to a new situation. But as of right now they are looking at a constitutional crisis in november and a Liz Truss style financial crisis on speed within 4-5 years - possibly before.

    Europe, Canada and Australia need to be planning for what to do when the USA get flushed down the crapper I think. The debt trap is closing shut now and the american order is crumbling.

    So is this America's Suez?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481

    Seriously, if you think the USA has Europe's back.... you are freaking dreaming. The American age is coming to an end before our very eyes. The USA is in a very very serious situation.

    They can

    1) invade Iran with boots on the ground and go bankrupt (30 year treasuries hit 5% today and it costs bns to keep that show running - that interest rate will only go up from here). They will be unable to service their other security obligations in Asia and Europe if this goes on ... or

    2) tuck their tails between their legs and go home. But then they cannot enforce the petrodollar and they have to give up their role as hegemon and superpower wherefore the world will ask why it should buy US debt to finance the US military and hence go bankrupt.

    There are no nice outcomes for USA in this. It was a very grave serious geostrategic blunder to attack Iran ... They could have carried on for 10-15 years transitioning to a new situation. But as of right now they are looking at a constitutional crisis in november and a Liz Truss style financial crisis on speed within 4-5 years - possibly before.

    Europe, Canada and Australia need to be planning for what to do when the USA get flushed down the crapper I think. The debt trap is closing shut now and the american order is crumbling.

    So is this America's Suez?
    If it's America's Suez, who is playing the US and USSR to their Britain and France?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,911
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
    Really?

    I am open to good news about Trump, I don't have TDS. I think he's done a great job on immigration, and I support the ICE stuff, even if it goes wrong from time to time, remember America is ejecting criminals that rape and kill Americans

    Venezuela, was daring and brilliant. He's doing OK-ish on the economy

    But the looming Iranian debacle kinda dwarfs all that, and makes the idea he is doing "a good job" seem insane. He is imperilling the entire world, because he went to war on a whim, perhaps dragged by Netanyahu, and he apparently had no plan in place to prevent Iran doing exactly what they would obviously do: take out all the regional oil infra and close the Straits of Hormuz, threatening worldwide calamity

    That is criminally irresponsible, as things stand. Now, maybe Trump is playing 9D chess and there IS a secret hidden plan, but I've yet to see any evidence of it and everything points to this being a major blunder which will get worse, not better

    I hope I am wrong and you are right
    I'm old fashioned. I think your judgment that a decision very obviously imperils the whole world, and is insane, and without a plan is correct. I am old fashioned enough to ponder whether this also calls into question how brilliant was his judgment on other issues. Like the rule of law, ICE, killing people with no cause. Might it for example be possible to eject foreign rapists and criminals AND stick with the rule of law? Might it in the long run be a better way to run a country.

  • eekeek Posts: 33,056
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    No author could have written the last 14 months as no one would have believed it
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Accidentally, in the leg.

    https://x.com/nypost/status/2037536663845351472

    Secret Service agents shoots himself while escorting Jill Biden at Philadelphia airport
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,594

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    If US credibility and power were genuinely in the gutter, the markets wouldn't respond to the things Trump says.
    US credibility is in the gutter. There is no country on the planet which trusts its promises (though there remain numerous credulous Trump fans out there, as you know).

    It remains an extremely powerful nation.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    I think Russia's armed forces are now more dangerous for Europe than in 2022. The advances in their use of drones have been very large, and are not matched by any NATO army.

    I'm not convinced that the Polish army will leave the defence of Poland in the case that Russia attacks the Baltic States. It is hard to see Ukrainian forces deploying in any strength to do so. Can Britain, France and Germany defend the Baltic States?

    I have severe doubts.
    But, Russia has burned up huge amounts of manpower and equipment (thank God!)
    Suppose there's a ceasefire in Ukraine. Russia takes a few months to rest and expand its most effective drone units, while building up stocks of munitions.

    If they then attack Estonia with large quantities of artillery and drone teams, for how many days does the British force there remain combat effective? Does Starmer have the resolve to send reinforcements, and how long do they last?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    edited March 27

    Seriously, if you think the USA has Europe's back.... you are freaking dreaming. The American age is coming to an end before our very eyes. The USA is in a very very serious situation.

    They can

    1) invade Iran with boots on the ground and go bankrupt (30 year treasuries hit 5% today and it costs bns to keep that show running - that interest rate will only go up from here). They will be unable to service their other security obligations in Asia and Europe if this goes on ... or

    2) tuck their tails between their legs and go home. But then they cannot enforce the petrodollar and they have to give up their role as hegemon and superpower wherefore the world will ask why it should buy US debt to finance the US military and hence go bankrupt.

    There are no nice outcomes for USA in this. It was a very grave serious geostrategic blunder to attack Iran ... They could have carried on for 10-15 years transitioning to a new situation. But as of right now they are looking at a constitutional crisis in november and a Liz Truss style financial crisis on speed within 4-5 years - possibly before.

    Europe, Canada and Australia need to be planning for what to do when the USA get flushed down the crapper I think. The debt trap is closing shut now and the american order is crumbling.

    So is this America's Suez?
    It's a weird mix of Suez, Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq War 2, and a dash of the Cuban Missile Crisis with America as the USSR - over-reaching

    In other words, it is unique. I don't think it will catalyse and symbolise America's total fall from hegemony the way Suez demoted France and Britain forever. America has too much military power, economic heft and technological might for that. I do believe it could cement China as the dominant global force, once and for all, supplanting the USA

    IF we all survive, that is
  • It’s so odd that Andy is such a Trump fan.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,973
    The Israelis seem to be encouraging the US. I don't understand Israeli politics, but what are the chances of Netanyahu losing power in the October elections, or even before then, and someone less aggressive taking over?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,594

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    I think Russia's armed forces are now more dangerous for Europe than in 2022. The advances in their use of drones have been very large, and are not matched by any NATO army.

    I'm not convinced that the Polish army will leave the defence of Poland in the case that Russia attacks the Baltic States. It is hard to see Ukrainian forces deploying in any strength to do so. Can Britain, France and Germany defend the Baltic States?

    I have severe doubts.
    I tend to agree there's a danger of his trying.

    The idea that Russia would take on the whole of Europe is ludicrous. But it's entirely possible Putin decides he could pick off a vulnerable state (or two).

    Ukraine itself proves he's a gambler prepared to double down on his bad bets.

    A land grab around Romania is another possibility.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    edited March 27
    I wonder what J D Vance is thinking. I know most PB Dads despise him, but he's genuinely smart and able to see ahead in a way Trump cannot (esp if Trump has dementia as my shrink friend suspects)

    Vance is an isolationist. His entire stance is No More Futile Wars. Now Trump has gone and done what Vance most abhors - got America entangled in a truly appalling morass in the Middle East. Again!

    Watch Vance. I cannot believe he is seeing this unfold with anything but despair and anger, whatever he says in public. If anyone is going to make a move on Trump, it would surely be him along with senior aides and generals
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Relatedly


    "According to Barak Ravid, U.S. Vice President JD Vance had a difficult call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying "You were too optimistic in your assessments regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran.""

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2037498630932746692?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,906
    Leon said:

    I wonder what J D Vance is thinking. I know most PB Dads despise him, but he's genuinely smart and able to see ahead in a way Trump cannot (esp if Trump has dementia as my shrink friend suspects)

    Vance is an isolationist. His entire stance is No More Futile Wars. Now Trump has gone and done what Vance most abhors - got America entangled in a truly appalling morass in the Middle East. Again!

    Watch Vance. I cannot believe he is seeing this unfold with anything but despair and anger, whatever he says in public. If anyone is going to make a move on Trump, it would surely be him along with senior aides and generals

    This war has certainly made it more likely that Vance makes a move. On the other hand Rubio is up to his neck in this war unlike Vance and so may well have blown his chance of the nomination in 2028, leaving Vance as heir.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,594
    Leon said:

    I wonder what J D Vance is thinking. I know most PB Dads despise him, but he's genuinely smart and able to see ahead in a way Trump cannot (esp if Trump has dementia as my shrink friend suspects)

    Vance is an isolationist. His entire stance is No More Futile Wars. Now Trump has gone and done what Vance most abhors - got America entangled in a truly appalling morass in the Middle East. Again!

    Watch Vance. I cannot believe he is seeing this unfold with anything but despair and anger, whatever he says in public. If anyone is going to make a move on Trump, it would surely be him along with senior aides and generals

    He's both more likely to do a deal with Iran, and more likely to abandon Ukraine and NATO formally.

    Trump still has some sort of emotional attachment to the UK, for example. Vance does not.

    So safer for the globe; just as much a threat to us and Europe. (And probably the US constitution, too.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    I think Russia's armed forces are now more dangerous for Europe than in 2022. The advances in their use of drones have been very large, and are not matched by any NATO army.

    I'm not convinced that the Polish army will leave the defence of Poland in the case that Russia attacks the Baltic States. It is hard to see Ukrainian forces deploying in any strength to do so. Can Britain, France and Germany defend the Baltic States?

    I have severe doubts.
    I tend to agree there's a danger of his trying.

    The idea that Russia would take on the whole of Europe is ludicrous. But it's entirely possible Putin decides he could pick off a vulnerable state (or two).

    Ukraine itself proves he's a gambler prepared to double down on his bad bets.

    A land grab around Romania is another possibility.
    Russian propagandists have started talking about taking Narva - a Russian-speaking town in Estonia near the Russian border - and daring Europe to take it back, presumably in the expectation that the Europeans would not so dare, and thus damaging the credibility of NATO's mutual defence even among its European members.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360

    eek said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    No author could have written the last 14 months as no one would have believed it
    As I've said before, if Trump was a Russian asset what would he have done differently?
    You can say similar stuff about Starmer and China
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    I think Russia's armed forces are now more dangerous for Europe than in 2022. The advances in their use of drones have been very large, and are not matched by any NATO army.

    I'm not convinced that the Polish army will leave the defence of Poland in the case that Russia attacks the Baltic States. It is hard to see Ukrainian forces deploying in any strength to do so. Can Britain, France and Germany defend the Baltic States?

    I have severe doubts.
    I tend to agree there's a danger of his trying.

    The idea that Russia would take on the whole of Europe is ludicrous. But it's entirely possible Putin decides he could pick off a vulnerable state (or two).

    Ukraine itself proves he's a gambler prepared to double down on his bad bets.

    A land grab around Romania is another possibility.
    They could sell an incursion into Estonia as necessary to protect their Baltic ports from Ukrainian attacks (even if it's not true).
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,700
    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,360
    Afternoon all :)

    I find Trump 2.0 even more confusing than the previous version. I struggle to see how his administration functions in the most basic terms - his power as head of Government seems extraordinary and I'm reminded of Boris Johnson's efforts to sideline Parliament in favour of giving more authority to Ministers and indeed further centralising and augmenting the powers of the Prime Minister's office.

    Perhaps that's a facet of some leaders, perhaps not, though as we've seen once the powers are taken in, successive leaders seem loath to repatriate them.

    Authoritarian leaders usually function not via collective leadership or primus inter pares but by encouraging a competition for influence in which those in the circle fight for favour by saying and doing what they think the leader wants to hear or get done. You might have a spell in favour but one of your competitors might say and do something the leader really likes so they are in and you are left to try to regain the favour you once had.

    Trump's worldview seems remarkably limited - he is probably told what his advisers think he wants to hear and it's likely those close to him have contacts and friends in the financial and other sectors who can make quick and easy money by being ahead of the game in terms of knowing what will be announced next.

    In the West Wing, the Jed Bartlett character once said something about decision making involving listening to everyone and then calling the play. I suspect Trump has neither the time nor the patience to listen to more than a few voices and they tell him what he wants to hear, thus his pronouncements sound detached from the real world.

    I suspect the memoirs of those close to these events in the current administration will make for interesting reading one day.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,677
    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,424
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Your accusations that he is a traitor are based on the mistaken idea that he is president of "the West" rather than president of the United States.
    No man has done more to destroy US credibility and power, in the course of 14 months.
    No author could have written the last 14 months as no one would have believed it
    As I've said before, if Trump was a Russian asset what would he have done differently?
    You can say similar stuff about Starmer and China
    Even if that were true which it isn’t the consequences are nothing compared to Trump.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,103
    Leon said:

    I wonder what J D Vance is thinking. I know most PB Dads despise him, but he's genuinely smart and able to see ahead in a way Trump cannot (esp if Trump has dementia as my shrink friend suspects)

    Vance is an isolationist. His entire stance is No More Futile Wars. Now Trump has gone and done what Vance most abhors - got America entangled in a truly appalling morass in the Middle East. Again!

    Watch Vance. I cannot believe he is seeing this unfold with anything but despair and anger, whatever he says in public. If anyone is going to make a move on Trump, it would surely be him along with senior aides and generals

    If Vance doesn't pull the 25th, which he'd have wanted to do between November and House/Senate inaugurations ideally, events could overtake him.

    An actual impeachment, depending on what grounds it is framed, has the potential to disqualify Vance and many of Trump's administration as well. I forget the actual range of grounds that do this, but they read as being potentially applicable.

    The numbers may not stack up for a successful impeachment, but will Vance want to take that chance?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
    Why stop at Chagos? They'd probably like Gibraltar and the Falklands too.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,056
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    Well, yes, but the damage - as is - can be painfully undone. But the longer the closure goes on, and the more Mid East energy infra that is destroyed, the worst the outcome for the entire world. I've seen sane voices on X predicting mass starvation and revolutions

    Trump HAS to open the Straits before the very bad becomes quite horrifically bad
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    When it comes to Trump, there really is no floor of awful.

    There has to come a point, surely, when the US Military acts to remove a traitor as President.

    Thankfully, Russia has destroyed so much of its army in Ukraine, and both Ukraine and Poland have now established such strong armed forces, that a Russian attack Westward would be highly problematic.

    Trump is doing a good job, generally speaking.
    Even amongst the long and glorious history of non-sequiturs that is a particularly fine one.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,863
    Leon said:

    Relatedly


    "According to Barak Ravid, U.S. Vice President JD Vance had a difficult call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying "You were too optimistic in your assessments regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran.""

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2037498630932746692?s=20

    Israeli intelligence gets a lot of praise at times, as they can be ruthless and audacious, but it's also clear that they have real blindspots that lead to debacles. Like Oct 7th, and this Iran regime change mess.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,360
    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    As a wise man once said, "it's the Economy, stupid" and what the Americans call "pocketbook issues" will always be important.

    As you say, nobody votes to become poorer yet over here if we are to break the cycle of ever-increasing borrowing, we will have to become poorer either via tax rises or cuts to services and welfare. That message however will never be popular and the messages from Reform, the Conservatives and the Greens we can have lower taxes, continued welfare and nobody will ever have the wobbles will continue to mop up votes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    edited March 27
    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,748
    Trump and reading: When ever the subject comes up, I am reminded of the American athlete who was asked about something in a book he had "written". He replied that he hadn't read that part yet. I have long wondered whether the Loser has read, from cover to cover, the books that have his name on them.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,481
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    An amusing observation that Trump is engaged in geopolitical Keynesianism:

    https://x.com/phl43/status/2037514984217780595

    Trump is kind of a Keynesian but about foreign policy. Instead of paying people to dig holes and then fill them up, he makes people close a strait by attacking them, just so he can reopen it at enormous cost afterward.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,233
    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Relatedly


    "According to Barak Ravid, U.S. Vice President JD Vance had a difficult call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying "You were too optimistic in your assessments regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran.""

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2037498630932746692?s=20

    Israeli intelligence gets a lot of praise at times, as they can be ruthless and audacious, but it's also clear that they have real blindspots that lead to debacles. Like Oct 7th, and this Iran regime change mess.
    I mean, they can’t even fix a camp and frivolous pop music competition.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,764
    Leon said:

    Relatedly

    "According to Barak Ravid, U.S. Vice President JD Vance had a difficult call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying "You were too optimistic in your assessments regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran.""

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2037498630932746692?s=20

    Which they knew but they wanted to seduce Trump into the pool.

    "They'll collapse when they see your big bazooka, Donald. And just think of it. The president who finally sorts out Iran."

    Something like that from Netanyahu, I'd have thought. Wily old beast that he is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    GMP find no evidence of "family voting" in Gorton and Denton:

    https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2026-03-27/no-evidence-of-family-voting-in-by-election
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,402
    edited March 27

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Why? In the Baltics they would be a Big Soviet Army fighting NATO minus the USA. In Donbass they are a Big Soviet Army fighting a Small Soviet Army with predictable results.

    E2A: Pre-SMO, I used to think that NATO would not fight for the Baltics. The USA definitely now would not, but I think Poland and Germany, at least, would. UK... dunno. On the one hand, there are plenty of 1* and up maniacs in the MoD who would be thinking of the glory and post-war book deals but one the other hand no British government can politically survive any significant number of KIAs.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,360

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Can you explain that for the rest of us, please?

    Are you implying we woule be unable or unwilling to oppose a Russian attack on Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania? Do you have any evidence for that?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,587
    Dura_Ace said:

    I've just got back from a funeral where I delivered the eulogy. I didn't really like the guy so I just stole most of it from Lindsay Graham's eulogy for John McCain. Went down very well.

    Anyway, it meant I got to spend a bit of time with retired naval officers many of whom used to be and should be natural tories but now, definitely, no longer absolutely aren't.

    Funeral Focus Group Findings:
    - One doesn't like Kemi because she's "African". This shouldn't matter and the tories pretend it doesn't but it definitely does to some erstwhile tory voters.
    - One had sat next to Farage at Lords and said he was, "Very charming but got pissed as quickly as possible. Drank with desperation."
    - At least two thought Chris Parry should be in Release or whatever the fuck it's called, not Reform. Note CP is a Fleet Air Arm legend and can do no wrong.
    - They don't hate SKS but think he's a "wanker".
    - None of them are really Reform-y, because the Fukkers are bit common for these types. Could be tempted by Lowe's mob though I reckon.
    - Most more likely not to vote than vote tory despite being habitual tory voters.

    There you go, I sit in a pub with ex-tories so you don't have to.

    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?
    I'd assumed that NF drank for show but tipped it away rather than get drunk.

    Lowe's mob aren't common?
    Being Navy types you'd have thought they might have been to Gt Yarmouth.
    I've only been to look for fish and chips a few years ago as we were staying nearby, my brief observations were ex-cinema now a strip club, above the amusement arcades, strip clubs, a manky beach and overall pretty low rent.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,737
    The optimistic MAGA view:

    Cole Grinde
    @GrindeOptions
    Iran will lose war, U.S. will declare victory.
    Oil will drop to around $60/barrel.
    The Dow will surpass 50,000.
    The S&P 500 will surpass 7,500.
    Interest rates will be cut 3-4 times.
    The 10 year interest rate will fall.
    Unemployment will drop below 4%.
    Republicans will win mid terms.
  • Pointless vote rigging investigation.

    Although it obviously wasn’t the reason the Greens won, Reform are going to insist it’s a cover up.

    So what’s the point?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,764
    Dopermean said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I've just got back from a funeral where I delivered the eulogy. I didn't really like the guy so I just stole most of it from Lindsay Graham's eulogy for John McCain. Went down very well.

    Anyway, it meant I got to spend a bit of time with retired naval officers many of whom used to be and should be natural tories but now, definitely, no longer absolutely aren't.

    Funeral Focus Group Findings:
    - One doesn't like Kemi because she's "African". This shouldn't matter and the tories pretend it doesn't but it definitely does to some erstwhile tory voters.
    - One had sat next to Farage at Lords and said he was, "Very charming but got pissed as quickly as possible. Drank with desperation."
    - At least two thought Chris Parry should be in Release or whatever the fuck it's called, not Reform. Note CP is a Fleet Air Arm legend and can do no wrong.
    - They don't hate SKS but think he's a "wanker".
    - None of them are really Reform-y, because the Fukkers are bit common for these types. Could be tempted by Lowe's mob though I reckon.
    - Most more likely not to vote than vote tory despite being habitual tory voters.

    There you go, I sit in a pub with ex-tories so you don't have to.

    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?
    I'd assumed that NF drank for show but tipped it away rather than get drunk.

    Lowe's mob aren't common?
    Being Navy types you'd have thought they might have been to Gt Yarmouth.
    I've only been to look for fish and chips a few years ago as we were staying nearby, my brief observations were ex-cinema now a strip club, above the amusement arcades, strip clubs, a manky beach and overall pretty low rent.
    I think I'd get pissed as quickly as possible if I got stuck next to Farage at something.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,056
    Pulpstar said:

    The optimistic MAGA view:

    Cole Grinde
    @GrindeOptions
    Iran will lose war, U.S. will declare victory.
    Oil will drop to around $60/barrel.
    The Dow will surpass 50,000.
    The S&P 500 will surpass 7,500.
    Interest rates will be cut 3-4 times.
    The 10 year interest rate will fall.
    Unemployment will drop below 4%.
    Republicans will win mid terms.

    All those things are required for the Republicans to win the mid terms and it’s going to fall apart on line 1 because why would Iran stop, currently they are the only people selling oil and at a far higher price than a month ago ($100 is far better than $60)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Relatedly

    "According to Barak Ravid, U.S. Vice President JD Vance had a difficult call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday where he said that Israeli assessments for toppling the Iranian regime were not realistic enough, saying "You were too optimistic in your assessments regarding the overthrow of the regime in Iran.""

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2037498630932746692?s=20

    Which they knew but they wanted to seduce Trump into the pool.

    "They'll collapse when they see your big bazooka, Donald. And just think of it. The president who finally sorts out Iran."

    Something like that from Netanyahu, I'd have thought. Wily old beast that he is.
    Yes, that's what I suspect

    Jerusalem played a blinder. The Americans fell for it
  • https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/2037515364452450599

    “The right of the party know none of their candidates can win, and the soft left are already getting everything they want, so why bother changing leader?”

    Why Labour MPs now believe Starmer will survive the party’s looming election disaster.

    God my insight into Labour is good.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,534
    Dopermean said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I've just got back from a funeral where I delivered the eulogy. I didn't really like the guy so I just stole most of it from Lindsay Graham's eulogy for John McCain. Went down very well.

    Anyway, it meant I got to spend a bit of time with retired naval officers many of whom used to be and should be natural tories but now, definitely, no longer absolutely aren't.

    Funeral Focus Group Findings:
    - One doesn't like Kemi because she's "African". This shouldn't matter and the tories pretend it doesn't but it definitely does to some erstwhile tory voters.
    - One had sat next to Farage at Lords and said he was, "Very charming but got pissed as quickly as possible. Drank with desperation."
    - At least two thought Chris Parry should be in Release or whatever the fuck it's called, not Reform. Note CP is a Fleet Air Arm legend and can do no wrong.
    - They don't hate SKS but think he's a "wanker".
    - None of them are really Reform-y, because the Fukkers are bit common for these types. Could be tempted by Lowe's mob though I reckon.
    - Most more likely not to vote than vote tory despite being habitual tory voters.

    There you go, I sit in a pub with ex-tories so you don't have to.

    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?
    I'd assumed that NF drank for show but tipped it away rather than get drunk.

    Lowe's mob aren't common?
    Being Navy types you'd have thought they might have been to Gt Yarmouth.
    I've only been to look for fish and chips a few years ago as we were staying nearby, my brief observations were ex-cinema now a strip club, above the amusement arcades, strip clubs, a manky beach and overall pretty low rent.
    I’ve spent a few hours drinking with Farage and three other people and he was happily smashing back the white wine - can’t tell if he was pissed because I was also knocking it back but he certainly wasn’t tipping it away.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,402
    Dopermean said:



    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?

    Farage. Drank like the Queen Mother on Derby Day apparently.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,067
    edited March 27
    stodge said:

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Can you explain that for the rest of us, please?

    Are you implying we woule be unable or unwilling to oppose a Russian attack on Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania? Do you have any evidence for that?
    Do you have any evidence that we would be both able and willing to oppose a Narvskaya Narodnaya Respublika? That we would oppose any incursion with suitable violence, rather than wring hands over it?

    Lithuania might be safer as I imagine the Poles might send the tanks in. But not Estonia or Latvia
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,700
    edited March 27
    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
    I maintain we have far less to concern us, this little island, about the military threat of China, than we do USA under Trump / MAGA and Russia under Putin.

    The thought of Putin, Trump, Netanyahu in cahoots should terrify Europe and ME States.

    The one superpower Trump, Netanyahu and Putin fear militarily is China, especially Putin on his eastern flank.

    In terms of military power, there is no reason why a non US NATO European rump should not seek non aggression pact with China, including access to Chagos to the detriment of the US and Russia.

    China has no military interest in Europe.

    Europe can gain massive Chinese investment far more than USA.

    You are thinking if the past, the old imperial past. The old NATO past.

    The Trump MAGA US is no ally, Israel is a parish State without regime change, Russia is dying on its ass, China can destroy it from the East, by doing that it neuters Russian aggression in the Balkans.

    You may think you are gods gift, like many on the right if UK political spectrum, what is needed is a new perspective of a new world order.

    China is that new world order we've notbing to fear military from it, we can gain as the UK ans Europe from a non aggression pact and do nothing to support the US or Israel and definitely not Russia if China decides to flex its muscles.

    Think on it.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    The White House has now launched an app, if you want your lies and propaganda direct from the digital source.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    Kash Patel got his email hacked. He forwarded FBI emails to his personal gmail account

    @ddosecrets.org‬

    Kash Patel emails (1.1 GB)

    The first tranche of emails from the mailbox of Kash Patel, the director of the FBI, which was hacked by Handala, a hacking group that is believed to have ties to Iranian intelligence.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ddosecrets.org/post/3mi2iokglyn2w
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
    I maintain we have far less to concern us, this little island, about the military threat of China, than we do USA under Trump / MAGA and Russia under Putin.

    The thought of Putin, Trump, Netanyahu in cahoots should terrify Europe and ME States.

    The one superpower Trump, Netanyahu and Putin fear militarily is China, especially Putin on his eastern flank.

    In terms of military power, there is no reason why a non US NATO European rump should not seek non aggression pact with China, including access to Chagos to the detriment of the US and Russia.

    China has no military interest in Europe.

    Europe can gain massive Chinese investment far more than USA.

    You are thinking if the past, the old imperial past. The old NATO past.

    The Trump MAGA US is no ally, Israel is a parish State without regime change, Russia is dying on its ass, China can destroy it from the East, by doing that it neuters Russian aggression in the Balkans.

    You may think you are gods gift, like many on the right if UK political spectrum, what is needed is a new perspective of a new world order.

    China is that new world order we've notbing to fear military from it, we can gain as the UK ans Europe from a non aggression pact and do nothing to support the US or Israel and definitely not Russia if China decides to flex its muscles.

    Think on it.

    Yes, but you're also a fucking nutter, so I'll give this invite a pass
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,044
    @henrymance.ft.com‬

    Reform UK say that its candidate pictured making an apparent Nazi salute has stepped down "citing issues with his mental health."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Dura_Ace said:

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Why? In the Baltics they would be a Big Soviet Army fighting NATO minus the USA. In Donbass they are a Big Soviet Army fighting a Small Soviet Army with predictable results.

    E2A: Pre-SMO, I used to think that NATO would not fight for the Baltics. The USA definitely now would not, but I think Poland and Germany, at least, would. UK... dunno. On the one hand, there are plenty of 1* and up maniacs in the MoD who would be thinking of the glory and post-war book deals but one the other hand no British government can politically survive any significant number of KIAs.
    We have 900 British troops in Estonia at present, on continuous rotation, alongside other NATO forces. It would be hard not to be involved.

    https://www.army.mod.uk/news/troops-fully-layered-for-the-fight-on-exercise-winter-camp/

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,905
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    Indecision is also an option.

    It's not a good option, but it's certainly there. I reckon we could have the status quo drag on for another couple of weeks, or even months.

    But ultimately he needs to decide between your choices: escalate or withdraw. I suspect cutting his losses is the least bad outcome, but it doesn't fit his temperament.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 458

    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/2037515364452450599

    “The right of the party know none of their candidates can win, and the soft left are already getting everything they want, so why bother changing leader?”

    Why Labour MPs now believe Starmer will survive the party’s looming election disaster.

    God my insight into Labour is good.

    Great news for the next GE. 👋👋🤣
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dopermean said:



    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?

    Farage. Drank like the Queen Mother on Derby Day apparently.
    I've had a drink with Farage. After a Test at the Oval, he was sitting outside enjoying the evening sun and a pint

    He was perfectly affable and civilised, and didn't fall over and vomit

    I'd far rather drink with him than Starmer, Davey, or the boring Scots guy

    Kemi might be fun but annoying (as a drinking partner). Zak might be amusingly mad
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,402
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Why? In the Baltics they would be a Big Soviet Army fighting NATO minus the USA. In Donbass they are a Big Soviet Army fighting a Small Soviet Army with predictable results.

    E2A: Pre-SMO, I used to think that NATO would not fight for the Baltics. The USA definitely now would not, but I think Poland and Germany, at least, would. UK... dunno. On the one hand, there are plenty of 1* and up maniacs in the MoD who would be thinking of the glory and post-war book deals but one the other hand no British government can politically survive any significant number of KIAs.
    We have 900 British troops in Estonia at present, on continuous rotation, alongside other NATO forces. It would be hard not to be involved.

    https://www.army.mod.uk/news/troops-fully-layered-for-the-fight-on-exercise-winter-camp/

    It would also be very hard to be involved. If those 900 get fucking malleted by Tornado-S and FPVs I doubt the UK government will send another 900.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,056
    Scott_xP said:

    @henrymance.ft.com‬

    Reform UK say that its candidate pictured making an apparent Nazi salute has stepped down "citing issues with his mental health."

    Willingly standing for Reform shows that your mental health may not be that great
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,132
    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
    I maintain we have far less to concern us, this little island, about the military threat of China, than we do USA under Trump / MAGA and Russia under Putin.

    The thought of Putin, Trump, Netanyahu in cahoots should terrify Europe and ME States.

    The one superpower Trump, Netanyahu and Putin fear militarily is China, especially Putin on his eastern flank.

    In terms of military power, there is no reason why a non US NATO European rump should not seek non aggression pact with China, including access to Chagos to the detriment of the US and Russia.

    China has no military interest in Europe.

    Europe can gain massive Chinese investment far more than USA.

    You are thinking if the past, the old imperial past. The old NATO past.

    The Trump MAGA US is no ally, Israel is a parish State without regime change, Russia is dying on its ass, China can destroy it from the East, by doing that it neuters Russian aggression in the Balkans.

    You may think you are gods gift, like many on the right if UK political spectrum, what is needed is a new perspective of a new world order.

    China is that new world order we've notbing to fear military from it, we can gain as the UK ans Europe from a non aggression pact and do nothing to support the US or Israel and definitely not Russia if China decides to flex its muscles.

    Think on it.

    I know I always make this complaint - but Great Britain is not a little island, it is a very big island - the eighth largest in the world, or, I think, third largest by population.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    SCHLAPP: Who wants to see impeachment hearings?

    CPAC CROWD: *cheers*

    SCHLAPP: No. That was the wrong answer.

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mi2jraxpzk2f
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I genuinely think that it would be easier for Russia to conquer the Baltic States than the rest of the Donbas.

    Why? In the Baltics they would be a Big Soviet Army fighting NATO minus the USA. In Donbass they are a Big Soviet Army fighting a Small Soviet Army with predictable results.

    E2A: Pre-SMO, I used to think that NATO would not fight for the Baltics. The USA definitely now would not, but I think Poland and Germany, at least, would. UK... dunno. On the one hand, there are plenty of 1* and up maniacs in the MoD who would be thinking of the glory and post-war book deals but one the other hand no British government can politically survive any significant number of KIAs.
    We have 900 British troops in Estonia at present, on continuous rotation, alongside other NATO forces. It would be hard not to be involved.

    https://www.army.mod.uk/news/troops-fully-layered-for-the-fight-on-exercise-winter-camp/

    It would also be very hard to be involved. If those 900 get fucking malleted by Tornado-S and FPVs I doubt the UK government will send another 900.
    We've lost our backbone

    There's a brilliant story about some British officer out in Africa or whatever, who had his son (one of several) under his command. Unfortunately during an action the son was killed. So the officer sent a telegram to the wife

    "Your son is dead. Please send another"

    That's the spirit we need to regain
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,946
    edited March 27
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    Well, yes, but the damage - as is - can be painfully undone. But the longer the closure goes on, and the more Mid East energy infra that is destroyed, the worst the outcome for the entire world. I've seen sane voices on X predicting mass starvation and revolutions

    Trump HAS to open the Straits before the very bad becomes quite horrifically bad
    Does he? I mean, he doesn't care about poor people in Africa starving, or their governments being toppled in revolutions.

    If he can get the voter disenfranchisement legislation through Congress he doesn't have to worry about the midterms much. He'll be able to stop enough Democrats and women from voting that he'll still win those.

    Sure, it's a bit embarrassing, but I'm not seeing the imperative for Trump to reopen the Strait with urgency.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,677
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    Well, yes, but the damage - as is - can be painfully undone. But the longer the closure goes on, and the more Mid East energy infra that is destroyed, the worst the outcome for the entire world. I've seen sane voices on X predicting mass starvation and revolutions

    Trump HAS to open the Straits before the very bad becomes quite horrifically bad
    I think that's right: if the Straits are opened in the next two weeks or so, then yes, there'll be consequences to having QatarGas exporting at below capacity for a while, and some oil will be permanently off the market. But severe issues -like food shortages- won't really occur.

    But if it goes on any longer than that and/or if significantly more energy infrastructure in the Middle East is damaged, then it could get really ugly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,906
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Dopermean said:



    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?

    Farage. Drank like the Queen Mother on Derby Day apparently.
    I've had a drink with Farage. After a Test at the Oval, he was sitting outside enjoying the evening sun and a pint

    He was perfectly affable and civilised, and didn't fall over and vomit

    I'd far rather drink with him than Starmer, Davey, or the boring Scots guy

    Kemi might be fun but annoying (as a drinking partner). Zak might be amusingly mad
    Zak doesn't drink.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,779
    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If Trump deals with Russia that's the end of NATO.

    We should tell him to get out of his Air Bases immediately, that includes Chagos. If he wants Chagos he can buy it.

    In the case of Israel, we should sanction them, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade, turn them in to the parish State they are, until there is positive regime change there.

    Phase 2 closer trade and diplomatic ties with China. Offer them Chagos.

    That will show the 2 ass holes that the Lion can still roar.

    We've nothing militarily to fear from China, Russia ban US have much to fear.

    If we have to elect a left Green / Lab /LD / SNP Coalition to do it, so be it.

    New World Order

    "Give Chagos to China"

    Brilliant. Not

    I sometimes wonder if you are a mad bot created by @rcs1000 to entertain himself
    I maintain we have far less to concern us, this little island, about the military threat of China, than we do USA under Trump / MAGA and Russia under Putin.

    The thought of Putin, Trump, Netanyahu in cahoots should terrify Europe and ME States.

    The one superpower Trump, Netanyahu and Putin fear militarily is China, especially Putin on his eastern flank.

    In terms of military power, there is no reason why a non US NATO European rump should not seek non aggression pact with China, including access to Chagos to the detriment of the US and Russia.

    China has no military interest in Europe.

    Europe can gain massive Chinese investment far more than USA.

    You are thinking if the past, the old imperial past. The old NATO past.

    The Trump MAGA US is no ally, Israel is a parish State without regime change, Russia is dying on its ass, China can destroy it from the East, by doing that it neuters Russian aggression in the Balkans.

    You may think you are gods gift, like many on the right if UK political spectrum, what is needed is a new perspective of a new world order.

    China is that new world order we've notbing to fear military from it, we can gain as the UK ans Europe from a non aggression pact and do nothing to support the US or Israel and definitely not Russia if China decides to flex its muscles.

    Think on it.

    I know I always make this complaint - but Great Britain is not a little island, it is a very big island - the eighth largest in the world, or, I think, third largest by population.
    Yes, third highest population after Java and Honshu.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    Well, yes, but the damage - as is - can be painfully undone. But the longer the closure goes on, and the more Mid East energy infra that is destroyed, the worst the outcome for the entire world. I've seen sane voices on X predicting mass starvation and revolutions

    Trump HAS to open the Straits before the very bad becomes quite horrifically bad
    Does he? I mean, he doesn't care about poor people in Africa starving, or their governments being toppled in revolutions.

    If he can get the voter disenfranchisement legislation through Congress he doesn't have to worry about the midterms much. He'll be able to stop enough Democrats and women from voting that he'll still win those.

    Sure, it's a bit embarrassing, but I'm not seeing the imperative for Trump to reopen the Strait with urgency.
    A hint of TDS in this comment, sorry
  • Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Dopermean said:



    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?

    Farage. Drank like the Queen Mother on Derby Day apparently.
    I've had a drink with Farage. After a Test at the Oval, he was sitting outside enjoying the evening sun and a pint

    He was perfectly affable and civilised, and didn't fall over and vomit

    I'd far rather drink with him than Starmer, Davey, or the boring Scots guy

    Kemi might be fun but annoying (as a drinking partner). Zak might be amusingly mad
    Zak doesn't drink.
    Another reason not to trust him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,360

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Dopermean said:



    Was it Farage or the ex-Navy officer who got pissed as quickly as possible?

    Farage. Drank like the Queen Mother on Derby Day apparently.
    I've had a drink with Farage. After a Test at the Oval, he was sitting outside enjoying the evening sun and a pint

    He was perfectly affable and civilised, and didn't fall over and vomit

    I'd far rather drink with him than Starmer, Davey, or the boring Scots guy

    Kemi might be fun but annoying (as a drinking partner). Zak might be amusingly mad
    Zak doesn't drink.
    God, he's so on brand with the Kidz, isn't he? The most boring, joyless generation in human history
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,496

    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/2037515364452450599

    “The right of the party know none of their candidates can win, and the soft left are already getting everything they want, so why bother changing leader?”

    Why Labour MPs now believe Starmer will survive the party’s looming election disaster.

    God my insight into Labour is good.

    The commentariat seems to be coming round to the view that while everyone wants Starmer out, no-one is keen to replace him, in which case I go back to believing Starmer will follow Wilson in taking early retirement.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,587
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My customers are in a two States that President Trump carried in 2024 on narrow margins: Arizona and Nevada.

    In both cases, he won -I believe- because of two things.

    Firstly, the inflation that ran through the developed world on the back of Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the chaos at the border that the Biden administration oversaw.

    What Americans -particularly lower income Americans- did not vote for was to become poorer. Tariffs have pushed the prices of clothes up, without generating meaningful numbers of new manufacturing jobs. And now the wars have sent the price of petrol through the roof. (Which in turn will affect food and other prices.)

    Retail electricity bills have yet to see the impact of rising energy prices, but that's coming too, and that's going to be ugly for lower income Americans finances.

    My customers are lower income. In the past two weeks, they've cut their driving back sharply. We've seen Cancelled for Non-Payment skyrocket, as people choose to buy food or petrol over insurance.

    If this isn't fixed, then the midterms will be horrible for the Republicans.

    Agreed

    Which is why Trump is under immense pressure to get the Straits reopened. Either with a deal, or by dropping lots of bombs

    Whatever he chooses, he has to do it quickly
    The thing is the damage has already been - opening up the straits is simply going to mitigate things.

    Well, yes, but the damage - as is - can be painfully undone. But the longer the closure goes on, and the more Mid East energy infra that is destroyed, the worst the outcome for the entire world. I've seen sane voices on X predicting mass starvation and revolutions

    Trump HAS to open the Straits before the very bad becomes quite horrifically bad
    Does he? I mean, he doesn't care about poor people in Africa starving, or their governments being toppled in revolutions.

    If he can get the voter disenfranchisement legislation through Congress he doesn't have to worry about the midterms much. He'll be able to stop enough Democrats and women from voting that he'll still win those.

    Sure, it's a bit embarrassing, but I'm not seeing the imperative for Trump to reopen the Strait with urgency.
    A hint of TDS in this comment, sorry
    Given recent events is it not monumentally embarrassing to accuse people of TDS?
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