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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,061

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,467

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    Everything Counts is one of the greatest synth hits of all time imo.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,874

    isam said:
    No idea why he thinks this helps him win in 2028/9

    Trump is toxic waste in the UK now - imagine what it will be like after another three years of madness.
    Dinner with Trump? Mmmm. Regular or Supersized?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,546
    Not many happy Lab people this week but here's one:


    Luke Akehurst
    @lukeakehurst
    ·
    1h
    Labour gain from Reform tonight in byelection for Murton Ward, Durham County Council. This ward is in Easington constituency.

    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2029695574786629848
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,517

    isam said:
    No idea why he thinks this helps him win in 2028/9

    Trump is toxic waste in the UK now - imagine what it will be like after another three years of madness.
    Dinner with Trump? Mmmm. Regular or Supersized?
    Trump might fancy some tapas.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,827

    Not many happy Lab people this week but here's one:


    Luke Akehurst
    @lukeakehurst
    ·
    1h
    Labour gain from Reform tonight in byelection for Murton Ward, Durham County Council. This ward is in Easington constituency.

    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2029695574786629848

    The first comment is some MAGA bot asking Grok for a demographic breakdown of the seat, and you can feel the disappointment and disbelief when they’re told it’s very white and non-diverse.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,482

    Farage allying to Trump seems entirely dumb.

    Following the money.
    Its whos money....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
    They are still in Dire Straits.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,256

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
    From the early 1960s, Sainte-Marie claimed Indigenous Canadian ancestry, but a 2023 CBC News investigation confirmed she was born in the United States, and is of Italian and English descent.[1] Some Indigenous musicians and organizations called for awards she won while falsely claiming an Indigenous identity to be rescinded.[7][8][9][10][11] Many of her awards and honours were subsequently revoked, including her membership in the Order of Canada, her induction into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame, her Juno Awards, and her Polaris Music Prizes.[12][13][14]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,256

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    Are you kidding? Jeff Goldblum is one of the greatest frontmen in history!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,886
    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic: I think refusing to side with Trump over Iran, could give a polling boost to Labour and the PM... If they were competent enough to play it the right way.

    Unfortunately Starmer is not!

    What could be seen a strong PM standing up to a bullying, domineering President will actually be viewed as a weak, cowardly and dithering PM doing what he always does... consulting his lawyers before being able to make any decision.

    Shame,

    If he had gone full Hugh Grant in Love Actually then it might have worked but he just looks like a confused spectator at the moment. And weirdly reminds me of Penfold in Dangermouse.
    Penfold (voiced well by Terry Scott) had an interesting voice. Starmer has a voice that is so annoying I genuinely have difficulty retaining what he says and am left vaguely rageful but unsure as to why.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,886
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scaramucci

    Kristi Noem lasts 37.2 Scaramucci’s

    Are 37.2 Scaramuccis the equivalent to one “Galileo” and can she do the fandango?
    Bismillah, no.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,336

    https://x.com/kyivpost/status/2029690706785169517

    BREAKING: Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said Hungary has taken seven Ukrainian citizens “hostage” in Budapest and demanded their immediate release.

    The detained men are employees of the state-owned Oschadbank who were transporting cash between Austria and Ukraine in armored bank vehicles as part of routine operations between state banks.

    Kyiv says it does NOT know why they were detained, what condition they are in, or whether they can contact anyone. Sybiha called Hungary’s actions “state terrorism and racketeering” and said Ukraine has sent a diplomatic note demanding their release and will ask the EU to assess the situation.

    TSE will be along to say "Well, that's the problem with cash..." in 5, 4, 3....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,498

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    No more forever wars in Middle East killing and maiming our kids from MiddleNowhere Ohio latest:

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    Hegseth: "We have only just begun to fight and fight decisively. If you think you've seen something, just wait. The amount of combat power that's still flowing, that's still coming, that we'll be able to project over Iran is multiples of what it is right now when you add up our capabilities and those of Israel."

    http://x.com/atrupar/status/2029682778762059925

    It's hard not to wish them ill and I'm afraid I can't quite manage it.
    The trouble is that it really will be the 22 year olds from Noname Nebraska etc who will come home in a body bag and not any fucking former Fox News presenters.

    Never mind the civilians all over the middle east.
    Sadly true. The best hope is voter revolt in the US. However I don't think Trump even cares much about that. He's there, he's in, and he's going to keep abusing the power of the presidency to titillate and enrich himself. It won't stop until one way or another he's gone.
    Ultimately, the problem is that the Supreme Court has become the third, and most powerful chamber of the legislature.

    As I pointed out to my American relatives (liberals all) the problem with that is if the Court gets captured. That couldn't happen, they told me. The law is progressive,

    To which I asked, who decides which way it is to progress?

    The answer, it seems is that a large chunk of the American judicial system has been systematically captured. Trump delivered the judges for Roe vs Wade. And the Judges he delivered are delivering for him.
    Which, without making any wider parallels, is a key lesson from the late Weimar period. It was having effective political support from the judiciary that allowed Hitler to systemically and quickly take apart the apparatus of a democratic state and turn it into a dictatorship. Having a legal system that is strong, robust, and as free from political influence as possible really is the key to maintaining liberal democracy - hence why where this didn’t exist - for example in Russia post-1990 - this proved impossible.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,892
    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,701
    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,895
    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,701
    edited 5:33AM

    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
    How the hell are the Conservatives partially to blame for not putting the proper planning and preparation in place weeks ago to deploy an even limited Royal Navy task force to the region to protect our military assets/bases and citizens?! And while and I agree consecutive governments have underfunded our military to the point its been hollowed out over the last few decades, I still think that a Conservative government would have taken a different position which would have spared us the humiliation of the US no longer sharing intelligence with us and would have also left us with even a limited presence to protect our own interests in the region!

    Seriously, did Starmer and his Labour government put his weakened leadership among the Labour Parliamentary Party and that Gorton and Denton by-election ahead of the national interests of the country and our military and citizens in the Middle East when we should have been planning ahead and deploying a naval prescence in the area far sooner
    ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,949
    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    I’m not sure high oil prices will be good for Trump, which is all he cares about.

    As for Russia, yes, if they can dig it up.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
    How the hell are the Conservatives partially to blame for not putting the proper planning and preparation in place weeks ago to deploy an even limited Royal Navy task force to the region to protect our military assets/bases and citizens?! And while and I agree consecutive governments have underfunded our military to the point its been hollowed out over the last few decades, I still think that a Conservative government would have taken a different position which would have spared us the humiliation of the US no longer sharing intelligence with us and would have also left us with even a limited presence to protect our own interests in the region!

    Seriously, did Starmer and his Labour government put his weakened leadership among the Labour Parliamentary Party and that Gorton and Denton by-election ahead of the national interests of the country and our military and citizens in the Middle East when we should have been planning ahead and deploying a naval prescence in the area far sooner
    ?
    Complete and utter after timing hogwash

    Next you'll be predicting the winner of the 4.38 at Thurles yesterday.

    We are dealing with 2 war mongering nut cases in Trump and Netanyahu.

    Thank God we have a PM and Government who have learnt past lessons and not getting involved in someone elses war. The UK cannot be responsible for every UK citizen around the gLobs, it cannot be responsible for places like Cyprus any more.

    The final paragraph about benefits and defence is risible.

    WHO HOLLOWED OUT DEFENCE SPENDING
    WHO INCREASED WELFARE SPENDING THROUGH THE ROOF
    WHO SPENT BILLIONS TO DEFEND UKRAINE!

    The Special Relationsihip may npt be dead, it is certainly dormant.

    One one person to blame for that.

    Donald Trump!

    History also tells us one other lesson.

    Who failed to adequately defend the Falklands until it was too late MARGARET HILDA THATCHER!
    Who failed to come to our aid - The United fucking States

    Same old Tories
    Same old Right Wing Americans
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,895
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    I’m not sure high oil prices will be good for Trump, which is all he cares about.

    As for Russia, yes, if they can dig it up.
    It might be politically awkward for Trump, but far more economically damaging for us, or Japan/Taiwan/S Korea, or most of Europe.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    Andy_JS said:

    Spital (Tamworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 44.6% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 20.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 19.4% (-18.9)
    🌹 LAB: 16.6% (-23.4)

    No Ind (-21.9) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The Tamworth result is cloudied by a masive anti Pincher by election vote in 2023 that carried forward to 2024 and actually helped remove neighbouring Fabricant in Lichfield. Tamworth has had a very significant Reform vote since 2018.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    There is an unverified report on Instagram that the new leader of Iran has met his maker.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    edited 6:09AM
    Can you please quantify the number of flights France / Germany / Italy etc have got out of the region

    Supercillious twat Nick Ferrari belly aching that billionaire, millionaires, ex pats and thousands who don't pay UK tax have to find a way out of a warzone.

    Meanwhile equally twatish Nigel and Kemi moan as half the RAF scrambled to defend Cyprus after ONE one fucking drone actually hits the Island, the size of which you could probably mail order for same day delivery at Argos.

    Same old Right Wing bullcrap...

    "Ali lets buy a drone and fly it to Cyprus"

    Kemi "the island of Cyprus is under attack, we must declare global war"
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,701
    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,949
    edited 6:20AM

    There is an unverified report on Instagram that the new leader of Iran has met his maker.

    Whoever it is, I don't suppose he's won any design awards.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,949

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    That's been cancelled:

    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2026-first-grid-penalty-australian-gp-valtteri-bottas-vanished/
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Certainly good for Russia. The US has given India dispensation to get oil from Russia until April.

    As the war is prolonged so will that be.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    No.

    Sadly I believed he would be dull but competent. Same with Reeves.

    He’s utterly hopeless.

    But he’s the best Labour has. The others would be worse.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    That's been cancelled:

    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2026-first-grid-penalty-australian-gp-valtteri-bottas-vanished/
    Cheers for the heads up on that.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    I've a hunch Verstappen is sandbagging...wait til they turn the wick up!

    If Ferrari have the startline advantage everyone thinks I also wonder if tactically you'd be better off to start behind them then reel them in, as opposed to having them roaring past you off the start and possible mayhem! You have to finish to get points no point crashing in first 100 yards.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    Taz said:

    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    No.

    Sadly I believed he would be dull but competent. Same with Reeves.

    He’s utterly hopeless.

    But he’s the best Labour has. The others would be worse.
    At least we are not at war with all of our available planes and ships attacking Iran under the stewardship of Trump and Bibi.

    For that alone, Farage and Bandenoch should be consigned to history and roundly thrashed at the Polls. The treasonable act of Farage and Pritti running to Donald for istructions, or should that be destructions , is the most shameful act of treason since Oswold Moseley!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    Brixian59 said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    I've a hunch Verstappen is sandbagging...wait til they turn the wick up!

    If Ferrari have the startline advantage everyone thinks I also wonder if tactically you'd be better off to start behind them then reel them in, as opposed to having them roaring past you off the start and possible mayhem! You have to finish to get points no point crashing in first 100 yards.
    Verstappen may be sandbagging, but so may Mercedes.

    The Ferrari starting advantage could persist but the new blue light at the start (indicating when turbos should be started) will reduce that. It'll be interesting to see how they, and Haas, get off the line.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,276
    edited 6:57AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    No.

    Sadly I believed he would be dull but competent. Same with Reeves.

    He’s utterly hopeless.

    But he’s the best Labour has. The others would be worse.
    At least we are not at war with all of our available planes and ships attacking Iran under the stewardship of Trump and Bibi.

    For that alone, Farage and Bandenoch should be consigned to history and roundly thrashed at the Polls. The treasonable act of Farage and Pritti running to Donald for istructions, or should that be destructions , is the most shameful act of treason since Oswold Moseley!
    We should give thanks to every one of the aithna eashar 'imaman / الاثنا عشر إمامًا that Johnson wasn't minding the shop when all this kicked off. He'd have been in it up to his quivering balls. I'll take Starmer's Putinesque and ponderous legal probity over that any time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    F1: putting this up earlier than planned as I'm feeling slightly worse than expected (nothing serious but there was a high chance I'd skip betting anyway):
    https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2026/03/australia-2026-pre-qualifying.html
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165

    Brixian59 said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    I've a hunch Verstappen is sandbagging...wait til they turn the wick up!

    If Ferrari have the startline advantage everyone thinks I also wonder if tactically you'd be better off to start behind them then reel them in, as opposed to having them roaring past you off the start and possible mayhem! You have to finish to get points no point crashing in first 100 yards.
    Verstappen may be sandbagging, but so may Mercedes.

    The Ferrari starting advantage could persist but the new blue light at the start (indicating when turbos should be started) will reduce that. It'll be interesting to see how they, and Haas, get off the line.
    The thought of Toto fucking Wolf and second rate George Russell gurning all year after 4 seasons of joyous reprise is nagging like the worst kind of toothache!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    I've a hunch Verstappen is sandbagging...wait til they turn the wick up!

    If Ferrari have the startline advantage everyone thinks I also wonder if tactically you'd be better off to start behind them then reel them in, as opposed to having them roaring past you off the start and possible mayhem! You have to finish to get points no point crashing in first 100 yards.
    Verstappen may be sandbagging, but so may Mercedes.

    The Ferrari starting advantage could persist but the new blue light at the start (indicating when turbos should be started) will reduce that. It'll be interesting to see how they, and Haas, get off the line.
    The thought of Toto fucking Wolf and second rate George Russell gurning all year after 4 seasons of joyous reprise is nagging like the worst kind of toothache!
    On the bright side, a Russell-Verstappen title battle is a genuine possibility. And, unlike last season's mostly McLaren affair, it'd have more needle than an acupuncture bed emporium.

    Ferrari/McLaren shouldn't be ruled out either.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,658
    I agree with @Andy_JS last night.

    Now it's started, the war needs to continue until the existing Iranian regime is utterly defeated - and all its enriched nuclear material is secure and seized.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,187
    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
    Thanks .

    It was in relation to a bunch of allegedly religious cult members turning up to pray in the Oval Office and treating Trump like the Messiah .

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2029670295137619998
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,463
    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    Worse than Truss? Worse than Johnson?

    Worse than Eden, or Churchill in his alcoholic and demented stage?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938

    I agree with @Andy_JS last night.

    Now it's started, the war needs to continue until the existing Iranian regime is utterly defeated - and all its enriched nuclear material is secure and seized.

    We're in a hole - pass me a spade? Doesn't seem sensible. Thank God we are not involved.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,762
    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,892
    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
    Thanks .

    It was in relation to a bunch of allegedly religious cult members turning up to pray in the Oval Office and treating Trump like the Messiah .

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2029670295137619998
    Oh, thanks. I did see a still of that earlier but never connected it.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,892
    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
    Thanks .

    It was in relation to a bunch of allegedly religious cult members turning up to pray in the Oval Office and treating Trump like the Messiah .

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2029670295137619998
    Oh, thanks. I did see a still of that earlier but never connected it.
    Matthew 6:6: When you pray, go into your inner room and make sure the cameras record it so everyone can see. Or something like that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,895

    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    Worse than Truss? Worse than Johnson?

    Worse than Eden, or Churchill in his alcoholic and demented stage?
    Some of us have woken up all hyperbolical this morning.

    Starmer isn't ever going anywhere near the upper end of the PM tables, but he's got some serious competition to beat before he hits the bottom.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,187
    Judging by the crowd from Kettering on QT the polling looks pretty accurate in terms of what the public think .

    Kettering is hardly some lefty liberal area and Cleverly looked pained as he tried to justify Badenochs position on Iran .
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,892
    I agree with Harriet. Wonder why the Spectator published?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    edited 7:23AM
    Well we all knew Ed miliband was a useless twat now we know for certain.
    Hilarious his own party leaked it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,765

    Mirroring MoonRabbit calling some PBer’s and Kemi Badenoch’s Shadow Government treasonous, Defence Secretary Healy now calls the Conservative Party UNPATRIOTIC.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/05/uk-defence-secretary-mp-relationship-trump

    But not playing party politics of course
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    nico67 said:

    Judging by the crowd from Kettering on QT the polling looks pretty accurate in terms of what the public think .

    Kettering is hardly some lefty liberal area and Cleverly looked pained as he tried to justify Badenochs position on Iran .

    Pointless extrapolation. The BBC doesn't even try to maje the audience representative. Its full.of lefties. Pointless watching it as you know what is going to be said.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,765

    Is this interpretation of the interview with John Healey accurate? @Yokes

    https://x.com/CrusadingOwl/status/2029695037609590950

    So rather than deploy our own destroyers in advance of the start of military operations, we didn’t bother as the US had destroyers in the Med. So, it was hoped or expected that US destroyers would protect Cyprus while denying the US the use of UK bases?

    How UNPROTECTED did the UK government leave Cyprus, Willy?

    If they didn’t leave it unprotected, what you are pushing here is not just an untruth, a myth, it is unpatriotic and treasonous.

    The protection in place all week, In the air: Six F-35B Lightning II Stealth Jets, 10 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4, Two Wildcat HMA2 Helicopters equipped with Martlet, three Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft and two MQ-9B Protector RG1 - on the ground the Sky Sabre Missile System, Giraffe AMB radar and CAMM missiles {capable of tracking multiple targets and intercepting threats at ranges of up to 25km} ORCUS Counter-UAS System {specialized electronic warfare suite specially designed to detect and jam drones}
    All that is hardly a nothing that lets drones and missiles fly in at will.
    How many drones and missiles have actually hit Akrotiri? I’ve seen lots told reports about one drone that hit a hanger.

    Even with the best air defence network the occasional assault will get through
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,463
    edited 7:39AM

    nico67 said:

    Judging by the crowd from Kettering on QT the polling looks pretty accurate in terms of what the public think .

    Kettering is hardly some lefty liberal area and Cleverly looked pained as he tried to justify Badenochs position on Iran .

    Pointless extrapolation. The BBC doesn't even try to maje the audience representative. Its full.of lefties. Pointless watching it as you know what is going to be said.
    The audiences of such shows are bound to be gamed despite the best efforts of the organisers to ensure a 'representative sample', whatever that may look like. It's one reason I don't bother with them any more. How would you know which are the authentic voices?

    I much prefer PB for my politics. I know who the authentic voices are here.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,958

    glw said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/alexbward/status/2029657861681250555

    JUST OUT: Trump’s strategy from Venezuela to Iran, a State Department official me and @VeraMBergen, can be called “Decapitate and Delegate.”

    Trump’s approach reflects both his desire to avoid “forever wars” and nation building.

    If DC’s anointed new leaders fall short for admin, Trump will just hit the reset button.

    It’s “a new model: We’re going to give you a shot. You decide what you want to do,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham. “If they elect a new crowd that wants to kill Americans, we’ll kill them.”

    There is a twisted logic here, I suppose. The US military is the most awesome killing machine ever constructed. It's cost them about ten trillion dollars in todays money and it's many many times bigger and more powerful than is needed for boring old defence and deterrence. You just can't justify that level of spend unless you use it for something special, so why not for international extortion, terror and feeding the ego of the deranged narcissist you've elected as your president?
    The US is going to drive so many countries into the arms of China. Donald Trump being re-elected is probably the best thing to happen to China for at least a hundred years. American hubris is at an all time high, and is causing them irreparable harm.
    There is no evidence for that assertion.

    What there is evidence of is that Iran's regime was not just utterly evil but closely aligned to Putin's Russia, supplying Russia with munitions that were killing Ukranians.

    Attacking Iran does not just potentially liberate Iran and neutralise the biggest threat to the Middle East, it robs Putin of his closest ally and a key weapons factory.

    Win/win.
    :D:D:D , you get that in war for dummies
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    Does anyone seriously believe that America will have fair democratic elections whilst Trump is still alive and his cabal are in the White House?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    No.

    Sadly I believed he would be dull but competent. Same with Reeves.

    He’s utterly hopeless.

    But he’s the best Labour has. The others would be worse.
    At least we are not at war with all of our available planes and ships attacking Iran under the stewardship of Trump and Bibi.

    For that alone, Farage and Bandenoch should be consigned to history and roundly thrashed at the Polls. The treasonable act of Farage and Pritti running to Donald for istructions, or should that be destructions , is the most shameful act of treason since Oswold Moseley!
    Don’t worry. Given his history he will u turn sooner or later.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,915
    Whiniest little bitch ever news. I cringed so hard extremities started to fall off.

    ‘My former mentor Sir John Curtice pointed out that it’s only the second time since 1945 that parties other than Labour and the Tories have finished in the top two.

    I was further buoyed by news that, were the swing replicated at a general election, Reform would win a solid majority.

    And who knows? One of those future turquoise MPs might be a battle-hardened GB News presenter who earned his stripes dodging cat ladies and angry Muslims on the streets of Gorton and Denton. In fact, I’d bet big on it.’

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2029534919584530729?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,765
    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
    Thanks .

    It was in relation to a bunch of allegedly religious cult members turning up to pray in the Oval Office and treating Trump like the Messiah .

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2029670295137619998
    I think they may have broken the First Commandment let alone the rest. And as for the Golden Rule
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,790
    AnneJGP said:

    I agree with Harriet. Wonder why the Spectator published?
    Because:

    a) they're treacherous scumbags
    b) they will happily print anything that makes the Labour party look bad
    c) they could.

    The question that access journalists (like Shipman and Kuenssberg) never seem to ask themselves is "if my source is telling me this secret stuff, what's in it for them?"

    Who benefited from the leak?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165

    Is this interpretation of the interview with John Healey accurate? @Yokes

    https://x.com/CrusadingOwl/status/2029695037609590950

    So rather than deploy our own destroyers in advance of the start of military operations, we didn’t bother as the US had destroyers in the Med. So, it was hoped or expected that US destroyers would protect Cyprus while denying the US the use of UK bases?

    How UNPROTECTED did the UK government leave Cyprus, Willy?

    If they didn’t leave it unprotected, what you are pushing here is not just an untruth, a myth, it is unpatriotic and treasonous.

    The protection in place all week, In the air: Six F-35B Lightning II Stealth Jets, 10 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4, Two Wildcat HMA2 Helicopters equipped with Martlet, three Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft and two MQ-9B Protector RG1 - on the ground the Sky Sabre Missile System, Giraffe AMB radar and CAMM missiles {capable of tracking multiple targets and intercepting threats at ranges of up to 25km} ORCUS Counter-UAS System {specialized electronic warfare suite specially designed to detect and jam drones}
    All that is hardly a nothing that lets drones and missiles fly in at will.
    How many drones and missiles have actually hit Akrotiri? I’ve seen lots told reports about one drone that hit a hanger.

    Even with the best air defence network the occasional assault will get through
    One drone, that may well have been fired by a couple of 16 year old kids...

    FFS

    This rewriting of fact from desperate war mongering Tory / Reform right wing blood curdling despots is nauseating.

    NOT OUR BATTLE
    NOT OUR WAR
    Stay out!

    The greates hypocricy is that when, not if, we get any form of Iranian backed, sponsored or howver dubiosuly linked Terror attack in the UK, the right wing cabal will yell and scream at Starmer, when in actual fact it would be happening NOW if Badenoch and Farage had their way

    Meanwhile Farage and Patel are racing off the Washington to BEG - BEG Trump to RAISE Tariffs!

    Treason!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,498
    An interesting mix of by-elections last night, broadly confirming current polls but with Labour not polling quite as disastrously nor Reform quite as impressively as previously.

    In the early 1980s, the Falklands War saw the deflation of the SDP balloon - although there were signs that they’d already peaked in popularity before it broke out - and despite the SDP/Alliance going on to poll reasonably strongly in the 1983 General Election, they fell short of the tipping point that would have delivered them a significant number of seats.

    It would be remarkably rhythmical of political history if the Iranian War sees the deflation of the Reform balloon - with already signs that they’ve peaked in popularity before it broke out - and they go on to poll strongly in the GE but fall short of the tipping point on seats.

    One difference from last time is that there’s a new kid on the block in the form of the Greens, competing for the votes of politically-disillusioned plumbers. Meanwhile, we’d expect a bit of rallying to the government in time of war and - contrary to the Tories’ absurd efforts to beat a drum that we do not have - Starmer is doing a reasonable job in steering a path that avoids getting involved in a war for which there are already signs emerging is unlikely to leave things better on the ground.

    The learning point is that we simply cannot judge military intervention from the strictly military achievements of the opening few days. Every previous such intervention has gone sour - look at Libya, now a forgotten wasteland of the international order, beset by corruption, ongoing outbreaks of violence, illegal unregulated trade, and a proxy battlefield for the secret services of the US, Russia, France and the UAE. Not a success for ordinary Libyans.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,765
    edited 7:54AM
    Nigelb said:

    fitalass said:

    Seriously, I am calling it, we have the worst party leader and Prime Minister and government leading the country in my adult lifetime currently running the country! Even worse, I genuinely thought there was no Westminster government of any party that could match the incompetent and politically corrupt SNP administration up here in Holyrood over the last 19 years, but this Labour Government under Keir Starmer have literally said hold my beer because I can do far worse damage to the UK economy and our standing on the global stage!!

    Did anyone have Keir Starmer proving to be an even worse party leader and Prime Minister than Liz Truss on their bingo card, anyone?!
    Worse than Truss? Worse than Johnson?

    Worse than Eden, or Churchill in his alcoholic and demented stage?
    Some of us have woken up all hyperbolical this morning.

    Starmer isn't ever going anywhere near the upper end of the PM tables, but he's got some serious competition to beat before he hits the bottom.
    Better or worse than Lord North?

    I’d still argue Lord Bath should be much higher. Possibly the only Prime Minister where the Treasury had more money at the end of his time in office than at the beginning
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484
    A new corruption vector in the DOJ in the USA.

    Pamela Bondi is attempting to change the rules such that the Department of Justice can intervene in State Bar Association Ethics Investigations relating to DOJ lawyers. She has already fired and not replaced the internal Ethics advisers.

    In the UK I think that would be the UK Govt able to intervene on Ministerial FIAT in any eg Law Society disciplinary process.

    The Justice Department is proposing a new policy that would seek to limit the ability of state bar associations to launch ethics probes into DOJ attorneys, according to a new document posted Wednesday in the Federal Register.

    The proposal, which comes amid growing scrutiny of the department's attorneys and whether they're complying with ethical obligations in enforcing the Trump administration's agenda, would seek to empower Attorney General Pam Bondi to request that state bar investigations be suspended pending a DOJ review of any originating complaint.

    https://abcnews.com/US/doj-proposes-policy-aimed-limiting-state-bar-ethics/story?id=130755238
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165

    nico67 said:

    Judging by the crowd from Kettering on QT the polling looks pretty accurate in terms of what the public think .

    Kettering is hardly some lefty liberal area and Cleverly looked pained as he tried to justify Badenochs position on Iran .

    Pointless extrapolation. The BBC doesn't even try to maje the audience representative. Its full.of lefties. Pointless watching it as you know what is going to be said.
    Cleverly looked pained

    He is a decent man, a one Nation Tory!

    The sooner the Tories wake up and smell the coffee the sooner their inevitable decline in to extinction may at least be delayed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,336
    edited 7:56AM
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    We saw in Texas on Tuesday that they tried a few tricks to prevent turnout in heavily-blue Dallas. But the level of Democrat enthusiasm meant they still pulled out more voters than the Republicans.

    Those tricks are counter-productive. The blue wave will raise all boats. Interestingly, one of the so-called gerrymandered new seats in Congress supposedly favouring the Republicans showed an 80% Democrat vote. Oooops!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,790
    edited 7:52AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    Does anyone seriously believe that America will have fair democratic elections whilst Trump is still alive and his cabal are in the White House?
    Heck, American elections aren't fair in normal times. See the partisan manipulation of polling places and gerrymandering of district boundaries.

    It's only a question of how unfair they will be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,895
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165

    Well we all knew Ed miliband was a useless twat now we know for certain.
    Hilarious his own party leaked it.
    HERO of the sensible restrained and calm in a crisis!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,765

    AnneJGP said:

    I agree with Harriet. Wonder why the Spectator published?
    Because:

    a) they're treacherous scumbags
    b) they will happily print anything that makes the Labour party look bad
    c) they could.

    The question that access journalists (like Shipman and Kuenssberg) never seem to ask themselves is "if my source is telling me this secret stuff, what's in it for them?"

    Who benefited from the leak?
    Milliband
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Brixian59 said:

    Is this interpretation of the interview with John Healey accurate? @Yokes

    https://x.com/CrusadingOwl/status/2029695037609590950

    So rather than deploy our own destroyers in advance of the start of military operations, we didn’t bother as the US had destroyers in the Med. So, it was hoped or expected that US destroyers would protect Cyprus while denying the US the use of UK bases?

    How UNPROTECTED did the UK government leave Cyprus, Willy?

    If they didn’t leave it unprotected, what you are pushing here is not just an untruth, a myth, it is unpatriotic and treasonous.

    The protection in place all week, In the air: Six F-35B Lightning II Stealth Jets, 10 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4, Two Wildcat HMA2 Helicopters equipped with Martlet, three Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft and two MQ-9B Protector RG1 - on the ground the Sky Sabre Missile System, Giraffe AMB radar and CAMM missiles {capable of tracking multiple targets and intercepting threats at ranges of up to 25km} ORCUS Counter-UAS System {specialized electronic warfare suite specially designed to detect and jam drones}
    All that is hardly a nothing that lets drones and missiles fly in at will.
    How many drones and missiles have actually hit Akrotiri? I’ve seen lots told reports about one drone that hit a hanger.

    Even with the best air defence network the occasional assault will get through
    One drone, that may well have been fired by a couple of 16 year old kids...

    FFS

    This rewriting of fact from desperate war mongering Tory / Reform right wing blood curdling despots is nauseating.

    NOT OUR BATTLE
    NOT OUR WAR
    Stay out!

    The greates hypocricy is that when, not if, we get any form of Iranian backed, sponsored or howver dubiosuly linked Terror attack in the UK, the right wing cabal will yell and scream at Starmer, when in actual fact it would be happening NOW if Badenoch and Farage had their way

    Meanwhile Farage and Patel are racing off the Washington to BEG - BEG Trump to RAISE Tariffs!

    Treason!
    I’ll take the bait

    What evidence is there they want to raise tariffs ?

    It is not like they are in bed with the Chinese, unlike Labour, is it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,187

    AnneJGP said:

    I agree with Harriet. Wonder why the Spectator published?
    Because:

    a) they're treacherous scumbags
    b) they will happily print anything that makes the Labour party look bad
    c) they could.

    The question that access journalists (like Shipman and Kuenssberg) never seem to ask themselves is "if my source is telling me this secret stuff, what's in it for them?"

    Who benefited from the leak?
    Milliband
    It’s to make him look like the hero of the left and he’s positioning himself to be the next leader after the departure of Starmer .

    The backstabbing Judas knifed his brother then failed miserably helping to deliver the Tory majority in 2015 which then went on to call the EU ref and the rest is history .
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited 8:07AM
    Morning, P.B

    I can't see that scapegoating Miliband makes a lot of sense, given it was only a few weeks ago, during the Greenland crisis, that there was a rising lomg-term possibility even of U.S. action *against Eurooean nations and thr U.K.*. We are not thr U.S, however close the pragmatic intersection of interest may sometimes be.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    We saw in Texas on Tuesday that they tried a few tricks to prevent turnout in heavily-blue Dallas. But the level of Democrat enthusiasm meant they still pulled out more voters than the Republicans.

    Those tricks are counter-productive. The blue wave will raise all boats. Interestingly, one of the so-called gerrymandered new seats in Congress supposedly favouring the Republicans showed an 80% Democrat vote. Oooops!
    We do know both sides gerrymander, to suit, and both sides game to suit.

    I fully expect the Democrats to sweep the house on a wave of anti Trump sentiment. Also. I agree, this is anti productive as it will fire up the democrats.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Good news on house prices.

    Inflation adjusted down 10% down from peak.

    https://x.com/frencheconomics/status/2029821656487580025?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    As bad as Starmer is, any successor would be many times worse and the same problem that haunted the conservatives would arise in the public's perception of the new PM not having a mandate

    Under attack from all sides including his own cabinet Starmer must be living a nightmare

    Scandal after scandal occurs almost dailly for labour, with China spying allegatiions seeing another labour mp resigning the whip and the files on Mandelson are about to drop, this following the resignation of Josh Simons last week

    Could anyone have predicted labour's fall from grace in less than 2 years in office ?

    This war is uniting so many countries against Iran, with only Spain standing against it in Europe, but how it ends goodness only knows

  • eekeek Posts: 32,762
    Taz said:

    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61

    The only problem with that statement is that you can't just switch on a few new rigs
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,664

    NEW THREAD

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,463
    edited 8:15AM
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
    The Americans I speak to around here (and there's a remarkable number in the Cotswolds!) are concerned but not fatalistic.

    The US tolerates gerrymandering and other dirty tricks to a greater extent than we do and of course both sides do it. I agree however with Marquee Mark that the more egregious interference that we are likely to see from Trump can up to a point become self-defeating in that it motivates the opposition to turn out in droves.

    There does come a point however when the balance tips the other way and the perversion of the democratic system becomes so extreme that it effectively brings the system in that country to an end for the foreseeable future. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and we are right to note that many of the actions of Trump and the GoP are comparable.

    I remain optimistic however. We are some way from the point of no return. Trump's favourability ratings are dire and if they are still that way in November are would expect his wings to be clipped regardless of rigging.

    Things are in the balance though. I said I'm optimistic but not sanguine.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,154
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll start writing the pre-qualifying tosh but as FP2 just finished it'll likely be up hours down the line. May well avoid betting but there's plenty of interesting things to consider.

    Also, remember Bottas has a grid penalty.

    I've a hunch Verstappen is sandbagging...wait til they turn the wick up!

    If Ferrari have the startline advantage everyone thinks I also wonder if tactically you'd be better off to start behind them then reel them in, as opposed to having them roaring past you off the start and possible mayhem! You have to finish to get points no point crashing in first 100 yards.
    Verstappen may be sandbagging, but so may Mercedes.

    The Ferrari starting advantage could persist but the new blue light at the start (indicating when turbos should be started) will reduce that. It'll be interesting to see how they, and Haas, get off the line.
    The thought of Toto fucking Wolf and second rate George Russell gurning all year after 4 seasons of joyous reprise is nagging like the worst kind of toothache!
    I'm delighted to learn that you also care about F1.
    You've found your online tribe.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    edited 8:20AM
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61

    The only problem with that statement is that you can't just switch on a few new rigs
    I’d guess he’s aware of that given his job, some longer term strategic thinking is a good thing, however Richard Tyndall made several interesting posts as to the current state of play and can be done.

    For me it’s about, as I tried explaining Sunday, Supply Chain risk and resilience.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    Police arrest 4 men on suspicion of aiding Iran's intelligence service by spying on locations of individuals linked to the Jewish community in London

    It is reasuring the intelligence services are active in this field
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
    The Americans I speak to around here (and there's a remarkable number in the Cotswolds!) are concerned but not fatalistic.

    The US tolerates gerrymandering and other dirty tricks to a greater extent than we do and of course both sides do it. I agree however with Marquee Mark that the more egregious interference that we are likely to see from Trump can up to a point become self-defeating in that it motivates the opposition to turn out in droves.

    There does come a point however when the balance tips the other way and the perversion of the democratic system becomes so extreme that it effectively brings the system in that country to an end for the foreseeable future. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and we are right to note that many of the actions of Trump and the GoP are comparable.

    I remain optimistic however. We are some way from the point of no return. Trump's favourability ratings are dire and if they are still that way in November are would expect his wings to be clipped regardless of rigging.

    Things are in the balance though. I said I'm optimistic but not sanguine.
    I’m 100% confident he is going to get a kicking if things stay as they are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,061
    Germany is becoming Trump’s number one European ally.

    https://x.com/azatalsalim/status/2029708915294736555

    German politician Armin Laschet.

    "Iran(lslamic regime) is in violation of international law in everything it has done for the past 40 years, And now, when "the people in Iran are cheering in the streets, we start international law debates..."
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    Brixian59 said:

    Well we all knew Ed miliband was a useless twat now we know for certain.
    Hilarious his own party leaked it.
    HERO of the sensible restrained and calm in a crisis!
    So calm he created the fatuous ed stone.. and made himself look stupid eating a burger.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484

    Is this interpretation of the interview with John Healey accurate? @Yokes

    https://x.com/CrusadingOwl/status/2029695037609590950

    So rather than deploy our own destroyers in advance of the start of military operations, we didn’t bother as the US had destroyers in the Med. So, it was hoped or expected that US destroyers would protect Cyprus while denying the US the use of UK bases?

    How UNPROTECTED did the UK government leave Cyprus, Willy?

    If they didn’t leave it unprotected, what you are pushing here is not just an untruth, a myth, it is unpatriotic and treasonous.

    The protection in place all week, In the air: Six F-35B Lightning II Stealth Jets, 10 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4, Two Wildcat HMA2 Helicopters equipped with Martlet, three Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft and two MQ-9B Protector RG1 - on the ground the Sky Sabre Missile System, Giraffe AMB radar and CAMM missiles {capable of tracking multiple targets and intercepting threats at ranges of up to 25km} ORCUS Counter-UAS System {specialized electronic warfare suite specially designed to detect and jam drones}
    All that is hardly a nothing that lets drones and missiles fly in at will.
    How many drones and missiles have actually hit Akrotiri? I’ve seen lots told reports about one drone that hit a hanger.

    Even with the best air defence network the occasional assault will get through
    Well, yes. I think this is a(nother) Starmer comms problem, where Govt silence left room for opposition, opportunists, and media to build an essentially fake narrative around "dither" and "left defenceless". That reflects on both those attacking the Govt, and the Govt itself.

    He gave a decent reply at PMQ, but there is little effective media operation.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
    The Americans I speak to around here (and there's a remarkable number in the Cotswolds!) are concerned but not fatalistic.

    The US tolerates gerrymandering and other dirty tricks to a greater extent than we do and of course both sides do it. I agree however with Marquee Mark that the more egregious interference that we are likely to see from Trump can up to a point become self-defeating in that it motivates the opposition to turn out in droves.

    There does come a point however when the balance tips the other way and the perversion of the democratic system becomes so extreme that it effectively brings the system in that country to an end for the foreseeable future. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and we are right to note that many of the actions of Trump and the GoP are comparable.

    I remain optimistic however. We are some way from the point of no return. Trump's favourability ratings are dire and if they are still that way in November are would expect his wings to be clipped regardless of rigging.

    Things are in the balance though. I said I'm optimistic but not sanguine.
    Are you familiar with many US citizens applying for UK citizenship? What is your impression of the reasons?

    The numbers were 5320 in 2023, 6192 in 2024 and 8790 in 2025, with the last quarter in 2025 running at ~10000 when annualised. So not far off doubling in rate in 2 years.

    That is not huge, but that is on a pyramid of USA people coming here to live.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61

    The only problem with that statement is that you can't just switch on a few new rigs
    I’d guess he’s aware of that given his job, some longer term strategic thinking is a good thing, however Richard Tyndall made several interesting posts as to the current state of play and can be done.

    For me it’s about, as I tried explaining Sunday, Supply Chain risk and resilience.
    Octopus are probably also remembering their huge North African solar project that Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband (I think it was both) canned "to encourage UK-based power".
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61

    The only problem with that statement is that you can't just switch on a few new rigs
    I’d guess he’s aware of that given his job, some longer term strategic thinking is a good thing, however Richard Tyndall made several interesting posts as to the current state of play and can be done.

    For me it’s about, as I tried explaining Sunday, Supply Chain risk and resilience.
    Octopus are probably also remembering their huge North African solar project that Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband (I think it was both) canned "to encourage UK-based power".
    ‘Are probably’ doing a lot of lifting there given he doesn’t mention it 😂
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,484
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Ha, what does this guy know compared to PB’s active travel fanatics !


    ‘ Octopus Energy boss warns UK faces energy emergency without North Sea drilling’


    https://x.com/gbnews/status/2029517537697006038?s=61

    The only problem with that statement is that you can't just switch on a few new rigs
    I’d guess he’s aware of that given his job, some longer term strategic thinking is a good thing, however Richard Tyndall made several interesting posts as to the current state of play and can be done.

    For me it’s about, as I tried explaining Sunday, Supply Chain risk and resilience.
    Octopus are probably also remembering their huge North African solar project that Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband (I think it was both) canned "to encourage UK-based power".
    ‘Are probably’ doing a lot of lifting there given he doesn’t mention it 😂
    I stand foursquare behind my speculation !
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    Did anyone listen to Lammy on R4. He is equally as stupid and duplicitous as Khan. Neither can answer a simple question.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    MattW said:

    Is this interpretation of the interview with John Healey accurate? @Yokes

    https://x.com/CrusadingOwl/status/2029695037609590950

    So rather than deploy our own destroyers in advance of the start of military operations, we didn’t bother as the US had destroyers in the Med. So, it was hoped or expected that US destroyers would protect Cyprus while denying the US the use of UK bases?

    How UNPROTECTED did the UK government leave Cyprus, Willy?

    If they didn’t leave it unprotected, what you are pushing here is not just an untruth, a myth, it is unpatriotic and treasonous.

    The protection in place all week, In the air: Six F-35B Lightning II Stealth Jets, 10 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4, Two Wildcat HMA2 Helicopters equipped with Martlet, three Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft and two MQ-9B Protector RG1 - on the ground the Sky Sabre Missile System, Giraffe AMB radar and CAMM missiles {capable of tracking multiple targets and intercepting threats at ranges of up to 25km} ORCUS Counter-UAS System {specialized electronic warfare suite specially designed to detect and jam drones}
    All that is hardly a nothing that lets drones and missiles fly in at will.
    How many drones and missiles have actually hit Akrotiri? I’ve seen lots told reports about one drone that hit a hanger.

    Even with the best air defence network the occasional assault will get through
    Well, yes. I think this is a(nother) Starmer comms problem, where Govt silence left room for opposition, opportunists, and media to build an essentially fake narrative around "dither" and "left defenceless". That reflects on both those attacking the Govt, and the Govt itself.

    He gave a decent reply at PMQ, but there is little effective media operation.
    Its not a fake narrative. Its reality.
  • lloyds0lloyds0 Posts: 3
    So the majority of the public don’t want to aggressively bomb Iran alongside the US and only act defensively, which is exactly what Starmer is doing, yet the majority also think he’s doing a rubbish job…..
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,165
    edited 9:08AM

    Police arrest 4 men on suspicion of aiding Iran's intelligence service by spying on locations of individuals linked to the Jewish community in London

    It is reasuring the intelligence services are active in this field

    It is reassuring.

    It is also reprehensible for Opposition Leaders to stoke the hate and bile of these terrorists up to fever pitch, with dangerous war filled words, careless talk costs lives"

    Opposition Politicians should not be racing to Washington or Tel Aviv to get instructions off Trump or Netanyahu
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