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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,041

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,465

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    Everything Counts is one of the greatest synth hits of all time imo.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,857

    isam said:
    No idea why he thinks this helps him win in 2028/9

    Trump is toxic waste in the UK now - imagine what it will be like after another three years of madness.
    Dinner with Trump? Mmmm. Regular or Supersized?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,529
    Not many happy Lab people this week but here's one:


    Luke Akehurst
    @lukeakehurst
    ·
    1h
    Labour gain from Reform tonight in byelection for Murton Ward, Durham County Council. This ward is in Easington constituency.

    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2029695574786629848
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,515

    isam said:
    No idea why he thinks this helps him win in 2028/9

    Trump is toxic waste in the UK now - imagine what it will be like after another three years of madness.
    Dinner with Trump? Mmmm. Regular or Supersized?
    Trump might fancy some tapas.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,816

    Not many happy Lab people this week but here's one:


    Luke Akehurst
    @lukeakehurst
    ·
    1h
    Labour gain from Reform tonight in byelection for Murton Ward, Durham County Council. This ward is in Easington constituency.

    https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/2029695574786629848

    The first comment is some MAGA bot asking Grok for a demographic breakdown of the seat, and you can feel the disappointment and disbelief when they’re told it’s very white and non-diverse.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,482

    Farage allying to Trump seems entirely dumb.

    Following the money.
    Its whos money....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,462

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
    They are still in Dire Straits.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,251

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    I was surprised to hear that she got cancelled for allegedly faking her Native American ancestry.
    From the early 1960s, Sainte-Marie claimed Indigenous Canadian ancestry, but a 2023 CBC News investigation confirmed she was born in the United States, and is of Italian and English descent.[1] Some Indigenous musicians and organizations called for awards she won while falsely claiming an Indigenous identity to be rescinded.[7][8][9][10][11] Many of her awards and honours were subsequently revoked, including her membership in the Order of Canada, her induction into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame, her Juno Awards, and her Polaris Music Prizes.[12][13][14]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,251

    Depeche Mode just tonight released a cover of Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier", available on the Help2 compilation album (War Child Records):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuDTaAehjI

    Are Depeche Mode as dreary as they were 40 years ago? Buffy Sainte- Marie? Now you're talking.
    Are you kidding? Jeff Goldblum is one of the greatest frontmen in history!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,879
    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic: I think refusing to side with Trump over Iran, could give a polling boost to Labour and the PM... If they were competent enough to play it the right way.

    Unfortunately Starmer is not!

    What could be seen a strong PM standing up to a bullying, domineering President will actually be viewed as a weak, cowardly and dithering PM doing what he always does... consulting his lawyers before being able to make any decision.

    Shame,

    If he had gone full Hugh Grant in Love Actually then it might have worked but he just looks like a confused spectator at the moment. And weirdly reminds me of Penfold in Dangermouse.
    Penfold (voiced well by Terry Scott) had an interesting voice. Starmer has a voice that is so annoying I genuinely have difficulty retaining what he says and am left vaguely rageful but unsure as to why.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,879
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scaramucci

    Kristi Noem lasts 37.2 Scaramucci’s

    Are 37.2 Scaramuccis the equivalent to one “Galileo” and can she do the fandango?
    Bismillah, no.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,324

    https://x.com/kyivpost/status/2029690706785169517

    BREAKING: Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said Hungary has taken seven Ukrainian citizens “hostage” in Budapest and demanded their immediate release.

    The detained men are employees of the state-owned Oschadbank who were transporting cash between Austria and Ukraine in armored bank vehicles as part of routine operations between state banks.

    Kyiv says it does NOT know why they were detained, what condition they are in, or whether they can contact anyone. Sybiha called Hungary’s actions “state terrorism and racketeering” and said Ukraine has sent a diplomatic note demanding their release and will ask the EU to assess the situation.

    TSE will be along to say "Well, that's the problem with cash..." in 5, 4, 3....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,494

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    No more forever wars in Middle East killing and maiming our kids from MiddleNowhere Ohio latest:

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    Hegseth: "We have only just begun to fight and fight decisively. If you think you've seen something, just wait. The amount of combat power that's still flowing, that's still coming, that we'll be able to project over Iran is multiples of what it is right now when you add up our capabilities and those of Israel."

    http://x.com/atrupar/status/2029682778762059925

    It's hard not to wish them ill and I'm afraid I can't quite manage it.
    The trouble is that it really will be the 22 year olds from Noname Nebraska etc who will come home in a body bag and not any fucking former Fox News presenters.

    Never mind the civilians all over the middle east.
    Sadly true. The best hope is voter revolt in the US. However I don't think Trump even cares much about that. He's there, he's in, and he's going to keep abusing the power of the presidency to titillate and enrich himself. It won't stop until one way or another he's gone.
    Ultimately, the problem is that the Supreme Court has become the third, and most powerful chamber of the legislature.

    As I pointed out to my American relatives (liberals all) the problem with that is if the Court gets captured. That couldn't happen, they told me. The law is progressive,

    To which I asked, who decides which way it is to progress?

    The answer, it seems is that a large chunk of the American judicial system has been systematically captured. Trump delivered the judges for Roe vs Wade. And the Judges he delivered are delivering for him.
    Which, without making any wider parallels, is a key lesson from the late Weimar period. It was having effective political support from the judiciary that allowed Hitler to systemically and quickly take apart the apparatus of a democratic state and turn it into a dictatorship. Having a legal system that is strong, robust, and as free from political influence as possible really is the key to maintaining liberal democracy - hence why where this didn’t exist - for example in Russia post-1990 - this proved impossible.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,886
    nico67 said:

    I take it that bunch of morons haven’t read the Ten Commandments.

    No idea what this is referring to but I found it really funny.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,699
    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,675
    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,858
    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,699
    edited 5:33AM

    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
    How the hell are the Conservatives partially to blame for not putting the proper planning and preparation in place weeks ago to deploy an even limited Royal Navy task force to the region to protect our military assets/bases and citizens?! And while and I agree consecutive governments have underfunded our military to the point its been hollowed out over the last few decades, I still think that a Conservative government would have taken a different position which would have spared us the humiliation of the US no longer sharing intelligence with us and would have also left us with even a limited presence to protect our own interests in the region!

    Seriously, did Starmer and his Labour government put his weakened leadership among the Labour Parliamentary Party and that Gorton and Denton by-election ahead of the national interests of the country and our military and citizens in the Middle East when we should have been planning ahead and deploying a naval prescence in the area far sooner
    ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,946
    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    I’m not sure high oil prices will be good for Trump, which is all he cares about.

    As for Russia, yes, if they can dig it up.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,139
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    I don't think you are being entirely fair to Kemi Badenoch here, she has a duty as the leader of the Opposition to hold this Labour government to account when they make bad decisions and to loyally get behind them in times of crisis especially on Foreign policy when they make the right decisions to protect UK military assets/bases and civilians. And it is now quite clear that has not happened, in fact this Labour government under the stewardship of Keir Starmer has failed in its duty of care to protect and assist both our citizens and military assets/bases in this region over the last week.

    I have no problem with the current Labour UK government not getting proactively involved in the US/Israeli military action against Iran, and if the news reports are correct they were never asked too. I would have been quite happy if we continued to carry on our defensive air support in the region from our military bases to protect our own citizens and that of our allies in the region if they came under attack from Iran as a result.

    But I think it was utterly wrong for Starmer and his Labout government to refuse the US the use of RAF Fairford and Diego Garcia weeks ago, and espeically in light of their dereliction of duty to give the go ahead to prepare and plan to deploy a Royal Navy fleet of ships to this region to assist and protect our citizens and military assets/bases as a precaution in light of that request which indicated military action maybe imminent. That we are now having to humiliatingly rely on other countries in this region to achieve this is entirely down to the poor decisions made by this awful Labour government who put domestic party politics before our national interests. They should hang their heads in shame.

    As a woman, I would not mourn the demise of the brutal Iranian regime after seeing so many brave women there being tortured and murdered over the last 40 years, but I also still blame Donald Trump for setting in motion the train of events that led to the chaotic and tragic events that unfolded in Afghanistan under the weak chaotic Biden adminstration when they did their midnight flit to exit the country and which has left the girls and women there living under such horrific and brutal conditions today.

    Starmer is weak weak week
    It shoukd be no surprise that he stuttered initially.
    He has sent 4 jets to the region not 4 squadrons.

    The Tories are partially to blame but Labour is equally culpable.

    Brown's decision to waste billions on aircraft carriers which don't function properly was equally stupid

    Stop.paying benefits worth more than people get for working and start defending the Country.
    How the hell are the Conservatives partially to blame for not putting the proper planning and preparation in place weeks ago to deploy an even limited Royal Navy task force to the region to protect our military assets/bases and citizens?! And while and I agree consecutive governments have underfunded our military to the point its been hollowed out over the last few decades, I still think that a Conservative government would have taken a different position which would have spared us the humiliation of the US no longer sharing intelligence with us and would have also left us with even a limited presence to protect our own interests in the region!

    Seriously, did Starmer and his Labour government put his weakened leadership among the Labour Parliamentary Party and that Gorton and Denton by-election ahead of the national interests of the country and our military and citizens in the Middle East when we should have been planning ahead and deploying a naval prescence in the area far sooner
    ?
    Complete and utter after timing hogwash

    Next you'll be predicting the winner of the 4.38 at Thurles yesterday.

    We are dealing with 2 war mongering nut cases in Trump and Netanyahu.

    Thank God we have a PM and Government who have learnt past lessons and not getting involved in someone elses war. The UK cannot be responsible for every UK citizen around the gLobs, it cannot be responsible for places like Cyprus any more.

    The final paragraph about benefits and defence is risible.

    WHO HOLLOWED OUT DEFENCE SPENDING
    WHO INCREASED WELFARE SPENDING THROUGH THE ROOF
    WHO SPENT BILLIONS TO DEFEND UKRAINE!

    The Special Relationsihip may npt be dead, it is certainly dormant.

    One one person to blame for that.

    Donald Trump!

    History also tells us one other lesson.

    Who failed to adequately defend the Falklands until it was too late MARGARET HILDA THATCHER!
    Who failed to come to our aid - The United fucking States

    Same old Tories
    Same old Right Wing Americans
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,858
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    I’m not sure high oil prices will be good for Trump, which is all he cares about.

    As for Russia, yes, if they can dig it up.
    It might be politically awkward for Trump, but far more economically damaging for us, or Japan/Taiwan/S Korea, or most of Europe.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,139
    Andy_JS said:

    Spital (Tamworth) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 44.6% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 20.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 19.4% (-18.9)
    🌹 LAB: 16.6% (-23.4)

    No Ind (-21.9) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The Tamworth result is cloudied by a masive anti Pincher by election vote in 2023 that carried forward to 2024 and actually helped remove neighbouring Fabricant in Lichfield. Tamworth has had a very significant Reform vote since 2018.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,675
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,675
    There is an unverified report on Instagram that the new leader of Iran has met his maker.
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