Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
He sure was prescient.
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
Perhaps Modi will reflect on his fluffing of Bibi now. It was only a week or so ago he was in Israel having his ego stroked.
Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.
Turkey yesterday, Azerbaijan today. Iran going full Millwall....no one likes us, we don't care....
I suspect they’re trying to close the airspace gap that runs through Azerbaijan and Georgia, between Iran and Ukraine. Close that and it’s a very long flight from Europe to Asia.
State of play. Routing through Azerbaijan and Georgia, avoiding Russian, Iranian and Gulf airspace
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
He sure was prescient.
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
From the speech Sandpit posted - worthy of reflection perhaps......
"The world must live with a lunatic in charge of nuclear weapons" "He is not is a traditional geopolitcal actor who makes decisions on the basis of borders history or ambitions, he has a religious apocalyptical vision of the future, one that he feels specially obligated to trigger"
Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.
Turkey yesterday, Azerbaijan today. Iran going full Millwall....no one likes us, we don't care....
I suspect they’re trying to close the airspace gap that runs through Azerbaijan and Georgia, between Iran and Ukraine. Close that and it’s a very long flight from Europe to Asia.
There’s also a pipeline that takes oil from Azerbaijan to the med, mainly for Israel.
I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.
In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.
They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?
It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.
So far, the campaign has killed 160 primary school children, killed a number of politicians swiftly replaced by others of the same ilk, and flattened large parts of Iran. Instigated by a man - Netenyahu - who has always intended to make Iran a failed state.
It's hard to see why Iranians would be thrilled by this. I admit I haven't discussed this with any Iranians, heritage or otherwise.
Badenoch is way out of her depth. She's completely useless
Sunak would be a much better LOTO under the circumstances. Even Hunt and to a slightly lesser extent ex-MP Mordant have soiled themselves.
I am not claiming Starmer is any better. If leaked reports out of Westminster are right he f***** it up again only to be saved by his cabinet.
I don't know if you heard it but she was all over the place and Nick Robinson was being gentle. I think he felt sorry for her. He was trying to point out that her bullshitting would have consequences were she ever to become PM
Few pay any attention to Guardianspeak on here Which is where you and Brixiam 59 delve to spew out invective.. Most would, if they had a copy,use it after a dump.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
I don't think much of the UK electorate care about Cyprus. Maybe they should, but they don't.
I am on the side of the Iranian and Israeli civilians and those in the other countries getting hit by retaliatory strikes. None of the three criminal regimes are good, all are the bad guys.
How does this end? I assume it will just stop. Netanyahu can't deliver a knock-out blow without nuking Iran. Trump does whatever he wants without reason but isn't crazy enough to let nukes start flying. And Iran doesn't have the capability to do anything more than make a mess of various gulf states in tiny patches.
It will stop. All three criminal regimes continue. Global security gets worse.
Badenoch is way out of her depth. She's completely useless
Sunak would be a much better LOTO under the circumstances. Even Hunt and to a slightly lesser extent ex-MP Mordant have soiled themselves.
I am not claiming Starmer is any better. If leaked reports out of Westminster are right he f***** it up again only to be saved by his cabinet.
I don't know if you heard it but she was all over the place and Nick Robinson was being gentle. I think he felt sorry for her. He was trying to point out that her bullshitting would have consequences were she ever to become PM
Few pay any attention to Guardianspeak on here Which is where you and Brixiam 59 delve to spew out invective.. Most would, if they had a copy,use it after a dump.
Nick Robinson did lose his patience with her eventually. I doubt he felt sorry for her, more likely Gibb was looming in the background.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
I don't think much of the UK electorate care about Cyprus. Maybe they should, but they don't.
Perhaps not, but that doesn’t mean the UK government shouldn’t absolutely care about defending RAF Akrotiri.
Well that depends mostly on how liberal your definition of liberal is.
Or kiteral as well. Some conflate liberal with libertarian others just have their own view and assume what they think or believe is the essence of liberalism - it's the essence of something.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
He sure was prescient.
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
From the speech Sandpit posted - worthy of reflection perhaps......
"The world must live with a lunatic in charge of nuclear weapons" "He is not is a traditional geopolitcal actor who makes decisions on the basis of borders history or ambitions, he has a religious apocalyptical vision of the future, one that he feels specially obligated to trigger"
I am on the side of the Iranian and Israeli civilians and those in the other countries getting hit by retaliatory strikes. None of the three criminal regimes are good, all are the bad guys.
How does this end? I assume it will just stop. Netanyahu can't deliver a knock-out blow without nuking Iran. Trump does whatever he wants without reason but isn't crazy enough to let nukes start flying. And Iran doesn't have the capability to do anything more than make a mess of various gulf states in tiny patches.
It will stop. All three criminal regimes continue. Global security gets worse.
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Perhaps European leaders are going along with Trump on this Iran thing because doing otherwise would risk him reciprocating - in trademark infantile fashion - by washing his hands entirely of Ukraine.
I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.
In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.
They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?
It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.
And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.
What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
Let's set aside whether regime change is legal or not.
Is this regime change? It wasn't in Venezuela - the regime continues with a new leader. And Iran has a new leader and the regime continues.
Is there a war plan for regime change? To be executed how? Who is to replace the regime?
Are you sure Iran has a a new leader because the media have not confirmed it ?
The bad Ayatollah's son.
Leading candidate, reportedly, but not appointed yet.
Has he got to the interview stage yet?
There’s 14 rounds of interview, a psychometric test and a graphology test.
The Iranian regime hired KPMG to upgrade their HR process…
Good morning everyone.And praise be, it is here, weather-wise.
O/t but we have a Council by-election today, and Mrs C and I have just been down to vote. Outide the polling place there was one teller, for Reform, but she obviously didn't know what she was supposed to be doing as she simply wished us Good Morning as we left. If, of course, Reform have done more than minimal canvassing. As we went in the ward's other, sitting, councillor was talking to someone outside, but he'd gone when we left. The Presiding Officer said voting had been quite busy. She seemed surprised.
Her job is to say hello to white people and prevent brown people from voting.
An Italian, French, Greek, Dutch, British and Soanish armada in the Mediterranean is quite a new development. It could potentially also establish some precedents, and aid future European defence co-,operation if the U.S. becomes more unreliable.
I am on the side of the Iranian and Israeli civilians and those in the other countries getting hit by retaliatory strikes. None of the three criminal regimes are good, all are the bad guys.
How does this end? I assume it will just stop. Netanyahu can't deliver a knock-out blow without nuking Iran. Trump does whatever he wants without reason but isn't crazy enough to let nukes start flying. And Iran doesn't have the capability to do anything more than make a mess of various gulf states in tiny patches.
It will stop. All three criminal regimes continue. Global security gets worse.
who are the three criminal regimes?
Iran. Israel. America.
First one - global pariah state oppresses its own populace and funds terrorism Second two - criminal leaders who are only kept out of jail by staying in office
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
Iranians aren’t safe, wherever they happen to be.
Everyone for a thousand miles in any direction hates their guts right now.
(They’ve actually all hated them since 1979, but let’s see how it goes in 2026)
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
We’re cruising the canaries next Jan. hopefully it will be fine then.
The attack on the Iranian ship in India was a disgrace. Inexcusable.
Yet the week before Modi was ass kissing Bibi in Israel.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
He sure was prescient.
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
From the speech Sandpit posted - worthy of reflection perhaps......
"The world must live with a lunatic in charge of nuclear weapons" "He is not is a traditional geopolitcal actor who makes decisions on the basis of borders history or ambitions, he has a religious apocalyptical vision of the future, one that he feels specially obligated to trigger"
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
Since you mentioned the RNLI, our son passed his AWB [all weather boat] navigation assessment yesterday and is on course for his ambition to become a RNLI coxswain
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Certainly a reset post McSweeney going and Starmer has IMHO stamped his authority over the decisions now. So only he can now be blamed (not that that wasn't the case before)
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I don’t want to give the mullahs any ideas (especially as I’m far from home in Shanghai) but given that all major Gulf Airports are now dark, and Russian/Ukrainian airspace is closed, that leaves one route east-west for most airlines
The Baku Gap
If Tehran launched a couple of missiles at Azerbaijan that would basically close down half the world’s air travel”
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I sincerely hope that you are safe.
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.
In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.
They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?
It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.
And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.
What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
Let's set aside whether regime change is legal or not.
Is this regime change? It wasn't in Venezuela - the regime continues with a new leader. And Iran has a new leader and the regime continues.
Is there a war plan for regime change? To be executed how? Who is to replace the regime?
Are you sure Iran has a a new leader because the media have not confirmed it ?
The bad Ayatollah's son.
Leading candidate, reportedly, but not appointed yet.
Has he got to the interview stage yet?
There’s 14 rounds of interview, a psychometric test and a graphology test.
The Iranian regime hired KPMG to upgrade their HR process…
Only graduates need apply.
Due to spanning by junior recruiter (ex-Foxtons sales staff), the Council of Experts is currently selecting an “AI” to help them filter candidates.
An Italian, French, Greek, Dutch, British and Soanish armada in the Mediterranean is quite a new development. It could potentially also establish some precedents, and aid future European defence co-,operation if the U.S. becomes more unreliable.
That's a subset of the countries involved in Operation Aspides, which is the EU coordinated operation over the last couple of years to maintain security in the Red Sea. Norway and Germany have been the ones missing from the list.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I sincerely hope that you are safe.
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
Would the abuser have beaten the shit out of his wife if that bloke down the pub hadn't had a fight with him?
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
Certainly a reset post McSweeney going and Starmer has IMHO stamped his authority over the decisions now. So only he can now be blamed (not that that wasn't the case before)
Can but wonder if Sue Gray and McSweeney had not been there from day 1 July 2024
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
If missiles are fired at British bases then destroying missile launchers is a valid response line to take. There are other options of course but its not unreasonable to hold this position or propose this
I don’t want to give the mullahs any ideas (especially as I’m far from home in Shanghai) but given that all major Gulf Airports are now dark, and Russian/Ukrainian airspace is closed, that leaves one route east-west for most airlines
The Baku Gap
If Tehran launched a couple of missiles at Azerbaijan that would basically close down half the world’s air travel”
When the play-off first came in one of the sides from the higher division had a chance to save themselves. I much preferred that to the current format.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I sincerely hope that you are safe.
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
I’m safe, sitting in the Irish pub. Ireland’s a neutral country, they’re not going to bomb that, right? Cheers! 🍻
Iran is the source of everything bad in the whole Middle East region, and has been for a couple of decades now.
Iranian friends here are extatic at the events of the past week, they hope that they might get their own country back soon.
The war has been obvious for years, and blindingly obviously about to happen for the last few months. the provocation has been from the Mullahs, not from the US or Israel.
Donald Trump has described Sir Keir Starmer as “a loser” in conversations with friends, The Telegraph can disclose
We are a few days away from, "Keir who, oh Starmer, I never liked him, people call him Spineless Starmer, that is what I hear people calling him, he is low IQ person and very mean. They tell me he didn't even know where Cypruious was, what a loser"....
And then 2-3 weeks away from a huge bump in Starmer's personal ratings.
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
Since you mentioned the RNLI, our son passed his AWB [all weather boat] navigation assessment yesterday and is on course for his ambition to become a RNLI coxswain
Congratulations to your son. When I was a child I remember reading that air ships had a 'height coxswain' and thinking that was the most glorious job title ever.
Donald Trump has described Sir Keir Starmer as “a loser” in conversations with friends, The Telegraph can disclose
So he rates him in the same category as John Mcain, US veterans of valor, Obama, Cameron, George Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Glenfiddich and Rihanna amongst thousands of others. Interesting, or not.......
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I sincerely hope that you are safe.
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
I’m safe, sitting in the Irish pub. Ireland’s a neutral country, they’re not going to bomb that, right? Cheers! 🍻
Iran is the source of everything bad in the whole Middle East region, and has been for a couple of decades now.
Iranian friends here are extatic at the events of the past week, they hope that they might get their own country back soon.
The war has been obvious for years, and blindingly obviously about to happen for the last few months. the provocation has been from the Mullahs, not from the US or Israel.
I am starting to question if you actually do any work, or just sit in Irish pubs all day ;-)
Donald Trump has described Sir Keir Starmer as “a loser” in conversations with friends, The Telegraph can disclose
It is, yes. I had half an idea of trying to write a thread header about the difference between the American and British attitudes towards losers, but I ended up washing my hair.
The Americans really don't like losers. My American mother-in-law thought that losing the 2020 Presidential election would finish Trump for that reason - which is, of course, why it was so important for him to deny that he lost, and get every other Republican to agree that he had won, and the election had been stolen from him.
In Britain we are quite affectionate towards plucky losers. The important thing is that the loser should have the right attitude towards defeat. Being a good loser is very important. Losers are not punished, but bad losers are. The clearest electoral example was in the 1997 Winchester by-election, when the Tory (Gerry Malone) refused to accept a 2-vote margin of defeat at the general election, and so the electorate gave him a 21,556 vote defeat to teach him his lesson.
And so to Farage, and his bad grace in reaction to Refrom's defeat at the Gorton and Denton by-election. It just wasn't very British of him. It will be interesting to see whether Reform voters have absorbed this aspect of American culture and follow him on this, or if being a sore loser is one of those things that still doesn't play well in Britain.
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
He sure was prescient.
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
From the speech Sandpit posted - worthy of reflection perhaps......
"The world must live with a lunatic in charge of nuclear weapons" "He is not is a traditional geopolitcal actor who makes decisions on the basis of borders history or ambitions, he has a religious apocalyptical vision of the future, one that he feels specially obligated to trigger"
Scary stuff.
I hope this picture is fake...
Aside from the make up, hair plugs, lip filler and fake Christianity, it is entirely authentic.
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
If missiles are fired at British bases then destroying missile launchers is a valid response line to take. There are other options of course but its not unreasonable to hold this position or propose this
There are no “other options”. There’s only one acceptable response, and it’s to bomb the fuck out of those who bombed our base.
Preferably within a few minutes, rather than a few days as we assemble something somewhere….
Sitting in my lounge looking across Torbay we see a lot of shipping, in the Bay and outside, sheltering, waiting for berths further east down the Coast and often, if considered a risk, waiting for a Pilot and escorts.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
Since you mentioned the RNLI, our son passed his AWB [all weather boat] navigation assessment yesterday and is on course for his ambition to become a RNLI coxswain
Congratulations to your son. When I was a child I remember reading that air ships had a 'height coxswain' and thinking that was the most glorious job title ever.
It is very intensive training in the classroom and at sea, where one part is a three hour navigation exercise with all the boats windows blackened out to simulate navigatating in fog
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
If missiles are fired at British bases then destroying missile launchers is a valid response line to take. There are other options of course but its not unreasonable to hold this position or propose this
There are no “other options”. There’s only one acceptable response, and it’s to bomb the fuck out of those who bombed our base.
Preferably within a few minutes, rather than a few days as we assemble something somewhere….
C’mon Sandy, bolt a .50 cal to a Hilux and get tore into them.
Donald Trump has described Sir Keir Starmer as “a loser” in conversations with friends, The Telegraph can disclose
You should hear how Starmer describes Trump in conversations with his nanny according to the Beano
I think when we get the Mandy correspondences, there will be some embarassing internal emails in which SPADs / civil servants make it clear what they think about Trump. Followed by Trump ranting about putting 150% tariffs on the UK.
When the play-off first came in one of the sides from the higher division had a chance to save themselves. I much preferred that to the current format.
Didn’t the team fighting relegation usually lose with it just delaying the inevitable - I much prefer the current format
Almost everything he said would happen, leads to where we are now.
It all depends on your definition of 'lunatic'. Many in the world-in fact probably a majority- find Trump and Netanyahu more dangerous than all those Rubio mentions put together.
Well it’s the Iranians who have been raining bombs down on my city for the past six days..
I sincerely hope that you are safe.
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
I’m safe, sitting in the Irish pub. Ireland’s a neutral country, they’re not going to bomb that, right? Cheers! 🍻
Iran is the source of everything bad in the whole Middle East region, and has been for a couple of decades now.
Iranian friends here are extatic at the events of the past week, they hope that they might get their own country back soon.
The war has been obvious for years, and blindingly obviously about to happen for the last few months. the provocation has been from the Mullahs, not from the US or Israel.
I am starting to question if you actually do any work, or just sit in Irish pubs all day ;-)
The double advantage of time zones and Ramadan hours.
I work 7-1 at the moment, 3-9am UK time.
Irish-themed restaurants are of course a valid option for shelter in the event of an emergency.
An Italian, French, Greek, Dutch, British and Soanish armada in the Mediterranean is quite a new development. It could potentially also establish some precedents, and aid future European defence co-,operation if the U.S. becomes more unreliable.
That's a subset of the countries involved in Operation Aspides, which is the EU coordinated operation over the last couple of years to maintain security in the Red Sea. Norway and Germany have been the ones missing from the list.
Several countries are a target for Iran's revenge. They can't beat the US/Israelis so they are attacking several other countries in the hope of getting them to intercede with the Americans. It's a stupid strategy but that's why it's happening.
If you want to fly some missions in, drop some bombs, and say "Hey we destroyed the missile launchers honest!" then fine, knock yourself out, but nothing serious.
Several countries are a target for Iran's revenge. They can't beat the US/Israelis so they are attacking several other countries in the hope of getting them to intercede with the Americans. It's a stupid strategy but that's why it's happening.
If you want to fly some missions in, drop some bombs, and say "Hey we destroyed the missile launchers honest!" then fine, knock yourself out, but nothing serious.
I am not in favour of attacking missile sites unless they are a threat to our people
However, it is bizarre how it is ok for the US to do it for us
The Telegraph really is a load of rubbish. How do they persuade intelligent...ish people to write this tripe? When you though Emma Barnett was as thick as you could get in the morning
I think that is the chap not the paper. He works for the Heritage Foundation.
Nile Gardiner is director of The Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at The Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC, and a former aide to Lady Thatcher.
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
If missiles are fired at British bases then destroying missile launchers is a valid response line to take. There are other options of course but its not unreasonable to hold this position or propose this
There are no “other options”. There’s only one acceptable response, and it’s to bomb the fuck out of those who bombed our base.
Preferably within a few minutes, rather than a few days as we assemble something somewhere….
The other options are to not act/write a strongly worded letter/ask a bigger boy to help. Or to bomb more indiscriminately/declare war. Neither of which i support.
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
Perhaps Modi will reflect on his fluffing of Bibi now. It was only a week or so ago he was in Israel having his ego stroked.
An Italian, French, Greek, Dutch, British and Soanish armada in the Mediterranean is quite a new development. It could potentially also establish some precedents, and aid future European defence co-,operation if the U.S. becomes more unreliable.
That's a subset of the countries involved in Operation Aspides, which is the EU coordinated operation over the last couple of years to maintain security in the Red Sea. Norway and Germany have been the ones missing from the list.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
Several countries are a target for Iran's revenge. They can't beat the US/Israelis so they are attacking several other countries in the hope of getting them to intercede with the Americans. It's a stupid strategy but that's why it's happening.
If you want to fly some missions in, drop some bombs, and say "Hey we destroyed the missile launchers honest!" then fine, knock yourself out, but nothing serious.
I am not in favour of attacking missile sites unless they are a threat to our people
However, it is bizarre how it is ok for the US to do it for us
It's very bizarre, but it is also the reflection of a very bad truth: we have neglected defence expenditure for so long that we don't have the capability to be anything other than moral support.
Comments
‘For years to come, there are many people on the right... that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump because this is not going to end well, one way or anothet’
In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority
2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people
3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK
4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events
5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
"The world must live with a lunatic in charge of nuclear weapons"
"He is not is a traditional geopolitcal actor who makes decisions on the basis of borders history or ambitions, he has a religious apocalyptical vision of the future, one that he feels specially obligated to trigger"
It's hard to see why Iranians would be thrilled by this. I admit I haven't discussed this with any Iranians, heritage or otherwise.
Which is where you and Brixiam 59 delve to spew out invective.. Most would, if they had a copy,use it after a dump.
If Hezbollah get humped they get their nation back.
How does this end? I assume it will just stop. Netanyahu can't deliver a knock-out blow without nuking Iran. Trump does whatever he wants without reason but isn't crazy enough to let nukes start flying. And Iran doesn't have the capability to do anything more than make a mess of various gulf states in tiny patches.
It will stop. All three criminal regimes continue. Global security gets worse.
I doubt he felt sorry for her, more likely Gibb was looming in the background.
In 2010 the USA used 1.44x as much oil as the EU. In 2025 it is 1.8x as much.
For gas the ratios are 1.49x and 2.56x .
There are other factors, such as the USA being a major source of oil and gas, but prices are set worldwide.
I'd value comments.
Mariners like the RNLI look after each other irrespective of race, religion or risk assessment.
We've seen Russian ships and other non friendly flags.
During Covid we had a dozen of the biggest Cruise shops parked for safety.
Given the outrageous attack on the Coast of Sri Lanka and threats to ALL Iranian shipping, or flagged or crewed ships, are we to be in fear of an American submarine or fighters popping up to destroy it.
A degree of sarcasm of course but after watching that out of control bloodlust cretin Hesgeth yesterday,
Is Anyone Safe??
I can say this as I understand French.
First one - global pariah state oppresses its own populace and funds terrorism
Second two - criminal leaders who are only kept out of jail by staying in office
Everyone for a thousand miles in any direction hates their guts right now.
(They’ve actually all hated them since 1979, but let’s see how it goes in 2026)
Have you ever seen anything as stupid as this gate?
(About 10 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dcACQRuNRNI
The attack on the Iranian ship in India was a disgrace. Inexcusable.
Yet the week before Modi was ass kissing Bibi in Israel.
I guess he’s at the FO stage of FAFO.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/05/politics-latest-news-iran-keir-starmer-kemi-badenoch-trump/
Clubs vote in favour of six-team Championship play-off
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g00mr00zdo
Certainly a reset post McSweeney going and Starmer has IMHO stamped his authority over the decisions now. So only he can now be blamed (not that that wasn't the case before)
“Leon Posts: 66,874 March 1
I don’t want to give the mullahs any ideas (especially as I’m
far from home in Shanghai) but given that all major Gulf Airports are now dark, and Russian/Ukrainian airspace is closed, that leaves one route east-west for most airlines
The Baku Gap
If Tehran launched a couple of missiles at Azerbaijan that would basically close down half the world’s air travel”
Four days later:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/03/05/iran-latest-news-trump-israel-us-war-netanyahu/
“Iranian drones have struck Azerbaijan, threatening to drag another country into the widening Middle East conflict”
Football grift knows no bounds
My question is
Would the Iranians be bombing your City had they not been provoked?
Palantir has bid on the selection contract
Nonetheless, excellent to see.
I predict a Mediterranean JEF of sorts.
https://x.com/telegraph/status/2029482202317115861
Donald Trump has described Sir Keir Starmer as “a loser” in conversations with friends, The Telegraph can disclose
We haven't got the capability to do anything useful and (if I understand @MoonRabbit correctly) we can barely defend our basis in Cyprus. The Americans and Israelis are perfectly capable of burning the country down to the foundations without us. Why are we constantly getting involved in regions we can't fix and don't have an interest?
I know all the right-wingers like Kemi, but she just duckspeaks ARC talking points like she just thought of them.
That;s from the supporter of a club that would benefit.
Suffered play off despair and one bit of joy.
All about money money money
Two up Two down Third bottom plays Third top as it once was!
There would be blood on the Streets or our towns and cities for years!
There are other options of course but its not unreasonable to hold this position or propose this
Supporting which side ?
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2029307088808055083?s=20
They’re fucked anyway so may as well go out in a blaze of glory
Target flights, salination, oil, gas, power and anything else they can damage.
https://news.sky.com/story/pc-trevor-lock-hero-of-iranian-embassy-siege-dies-aged-85-13339800
Iran is the source of everything bad in the whole Middle East region, and has been for a couple of decades now.
Iranian friends here are extatic at the events of the past week, they hope that they might get their own country back soon.
The war has been obvious for years, and blindingly obviously about to happen for the last few months. the provocation has been from the Mullahs, not from the US or Israel.
And then 2-3 weeks away from a huge bump in Starmer's personal ratings.
The Americans really don't like losers. My American mother-in-law thought that losing the 2020 Presidential election would finish Trump for that reason - which is, of course, why it was so important for him to deny that he lost, and get every other Republican to agree that he had won, and the election had been stolen from him.
In Britain we are quite affectionate towards plucky losers. The important thing is that the loser should have the right attitude towards defeat. Being a good loser is very important. Losers are not punished, but bad losers are. The clearest electoral example was in the 1997 Winchester by-election, when the Tory (Gerry Malone) refused to accept a 2-vote margin of defeat at the general election, and so the electorate gave him a 21,556 vote defeat to teach him his lesson.
And so to Farage, and his bad grace in reaction to Refrom's defeat at the Gorton and Denton by-election. It just wasn't very British of him. It will be interesting to see whether Reform voters have absorbed this aspect of American culture and follow him on this, or if being a sore loser is one of those things that still doesn't play well in Britain.
Preferably within a few minutes, rather than a few days as we assemble something somewhere….
Question - when he needs a national emergency to "postpone" the midterm elections, which country does he bomb?
I work 7-1 at the moment, 3-9am UK time.
Irish-themed restaurants are of course a valid option for shelter in the event of an emergency.
PS Their frigate is apparently called Colon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjugxqcnKyU (18mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0TZuhNixNk (17 mins)
If you want to fly some missions in, drop some bombs, and say "Hey we destroyed the missile launchers honest!" then fine, knock yourself out, but nothing serious.
However, it is bizarre how it is ok for the US to do it for us
He's trying to stay sweet with both sides.
Not sure that will go down well
Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis
Public - Not like that!
Just gives Farage an open goal
The Telegraph has become a MAGA shop, which for a UK newspaper is pretty pathetic.