"Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus PM Üstel: “Our region has turned into a ring of fire. Missiles are flying over the island, drones are exploding in the south. The wrong and irresponsible steps taken by the south plunged our island into a war environment that we never wanted."
Not such clever politics, because there's little more likely to increase the support in the south for the bases staying there than this.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Nick Ferrari had it on his LBC show this morning. Phones ringing off the hook about it. People furious !
So just get to the UK and we give you £10k to fly home business class. And buy a new wardrobe and pay off a chunk of your mortgage. Then do it again, and again…
These people don’t need paying they need punishing. Build a supermax jail on the Isle of Sheppey. Arrive in the UK illegally, you get sent there. THEN we send you home after 2 miserable years. We give you NOTHING
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
It also encourage people to come here if they can get in for less than £10,000.
So it’s a solution but not a sensible one and it’s going to annoy a lot of people. That £10,000 is 1/3 of the income tax I pay per year and more than Mrs Eek pays
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
It also encourage people to come here if they can get in for less than £10,000.
So it’s a solution but not a sensible one and it’s going to annoy a lot of people. That £10,000 is 1/3 of the income tax I pay per year and more than Mrs Eek pays
The channel crossings alone are a few £k each to the traffickers. Their whole journey typically takes many weeks and would be in the region of £10k. Spend a few weeks risking your life and living underground to get your money back is not a big pull factor.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Nick Ferrari had it on his LBC show this morning. Phones ringing off the hook about it. People furious !
So just get to the UK and we give you £10k to fly home business class. And buy a new wardrobe and pay off a chunk of your mortgage. Then do it again, and again…
These people don’t need paying they need punishing. Build a supermax jail on the Isle of Sheppey. Arrive in the UK illegally, you get sent there. THEN we send you home after 2 miserable years. We give you NOTHING
I suspect that is going to be in line with the take of about 98% of voters.
Tell people all the tax they paid last year? It has been used to pay an illegal immigrant to go back to their start point.
No, not to improve the NHS. Not even to fill a single pothole.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
It also encourage people to come here if they can get in for less than £10,000.
So it’s a solution but not a sensible one and it’s going to annoy a lot of people. That £10,000 is 1/3 of the income tax I pay per year and more than Mrs Eek pays
The channel crossings alone are a few £k each to the traffickers. Their whole journey typically takes many weeks and would be in the region of £10k. Spend a few weeks risking your life and living underground to get your money back is not a big pull factor.
True but if I describe the deal to any Reform voter - I know what their reaction will be.
I would love to know how this idea (which is sensible but also politically utterly insane) got out of the initial meeting.
There really is a need for this (and all Governments) to have a focus group on how an idea will play out - as this wouldn’t survive 30 seconds as demonstrated on here
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Nick Ferrari had it on his LBC show this morning. Phones ringing off the hook about it. People furious !
So just get to the UK and we give you £10k to fly home business class. And buy a new wardrobe and pay off a chunk of your mortgage. Then do it again, and again…
These people don’t need paying they need punishing. Build a supermax jail on the Isle of Sheppey. Arrive in the UK illegally, you get sent there. THEN we send you home after 2 miserable years. We give you NOTHING
I suspect that is going to be in line with the take of about 98% of voters.
Tell people all the tax they paid last year? It has been used to pay an illegal immigrant back to their start point.
No, not to improve the NHS. Not even to fill a single pothole.
So we have drones for war, drones for delivery, drones for aerial photography, but does the collective PB mind know of any services where drones & their operators can be hired to pick up smallish objects from high roof-tops?
E.g. cricket ball in the gutter, three storeys high?
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Alternatively they can change the law, with their massive majority, and actually just deport people with no incentive required.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Exactly
What a gift to Farage
On the other hand, the backlash against it will neutralise any Labour opposition to the rest of what she's proposing which is a lot tougher.
So we have drones for war, drones for delivery, drones for aerial photography, but does the collective PB mind know of any services where drones & their operators can be hired to pick up smallish objects from high roof-tops?
E.g. cricket ball in the gutter, three storeys high?
Gutter cleaning services have relevant tools for such things
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Anybody remember BASIC?
10 GET ON ILLEGAL BOAT 20 ENTER BRITAIN 30 RECIEVE £10000 40 LEAVE BRITAIN 50 GOTO 10
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
Perhaps Modi will reflect on his fluffing of Bibi now. It was only a week or so ago he was in Israel having his ego stroked.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to take our “aircraft carrier” away!
You needlessly apologise to Cyprus for this, they will instantly push for more. Can’t you see all this in any other way than Starmer v Badenoch, you foolish person?
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
It also encourage people to come here if they can get in for less than £10,000.
So it’s a solution but not a sensible one and it’s going to annoy a lot of people. That £10,000 is 1/3 of the income tax I pay per year and more than Mrs Eek pays
The channel crossings alone are a few £k each to the traffickers. Their whole journey typically takes many weeks and would be in the region of £10k. Spend a few weeks risking your life and living underground to get your money back is not a big pull factor.
True but if I describe the deal to any Reform voter - I know what their reaction will be.
I would love to know how this idea (which is sensible but also politically utterly insane) got out of the initial meeting.
There really is a need for this (and all Governments) to have a focus group on how an idea will play out - as this wouldn’t survive 30 seconds as demonstrated on here
They need to say this every time the policy is mentioned. It is time governments led and brought voters with them rather rely on focus groups. Focus groups bring bad nothing burger governance that depresses voters anyway.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should not apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to be rid of our “aircraft carrier”, you foolish person.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
If people are unhappy. Like the people on LBC this morning who have little money. Just tell them they’re racist 👍
This is all because Labour can’t bear to leave the ECHR and look “cruel” in the upper middle social circles to which they aspire
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
That is literally what is already happening. To "punish and deport" you need to catch them, intern them, process them, deport them.
None of those things are simple and every single step gets protested. Which is why no government has managed to properly get on top of it and why Farage wouldn't either if he ever became PM.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to be rid of our “aircraft carrier”, you foolish person.
So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier ?
I think someone needs to stage an intervention as you seem to have lost it completely !
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to take our “aircraft carrier” away!
You needlessly apologise to Cyprus for this, they will instantly push for more. Can’t you see all this in any other way than Starmer v Badenoch, you foolish person?
Now that the North is blaming thr bases for the trouble, there's no chance that the southerners wull support their removal. They also see a wider European armada coming, after an attack on then.
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise.
We were the hosts.
I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless.
The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president .
The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.
The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation.
We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack.
Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane.
A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order. https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/2029438199546954240
Perhaps Modi will reflect on his fluffing of Bibi now. It was only a week or so ago he was in Israel having his ego stroked.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
Similarly, years ago the government banned asylum seekers from working, because it was said they were all economic migrants, and if they weren't allowed to work while waiting for their asylum claim to be decided, they wouldn't come. Now people are upset that asylum seekers are housed and fed at the State's expense, rather than working for their living...
This is all because Labour can’t bear to leave the ECHR and look “cruel” in the upper middle social circles to which they aspire
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
Sending people who have been unable to obtain the proper documents from a regime where they are being persecuted straight back to the regime that is persecuting them is not the common sense revolution you seem to think it is. But then you seldom think at all.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
If people are unhappy. Like the people on LBC this morning who have little money. Just tell them they’re racist 👍
They will soon shut up
No it won’t a lot of them will already be racist and proud of the fact.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to be rid of our “aircraft carrier”, you foolish person.
So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier ?
I think someone needs to stage an intervention as you seem to have lost it completely !
“ So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier”
Yes. You are handing them that power. They are out to get us, and using this situation, and your support for them to do one to us. This “must apologise to Cyprus” nonsense, you need to pipe down about it.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
If people are unhappy. Like the people on LBC this morning who have little money. Just tell them they’re racist 👍
They will soon shut up
No it won’t a lot of them will already be racist and proud of the fact.
The woman caller on LBC was literally in tears due to her financial situation. Empathy is nice but in short supply
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
Surely the Iran war has demonstrated that we don't seem to have a functioning Royal Navy we can deploy...
An Italian, French, Greek, Dutch, British and Soanish armada in the Mediterranean is quite a new development. It could potentially also establish some precedents, and aid future European defence co-,operation if the U.S. becomes more unreliable.
That's a subset of the countries involved in Operation Aspides, which is the EU coordinated operation over the last couple of years to maintain security in the Red Sea. Norway and Germany have been the ones missing from the list.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to be rid of our “aircraft carrier”, you foolish person.
So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier ?
I think someone needs to stage an intervention as you seem to have lost it completely !
“ So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier”
Yes. You are handing them that power. They are out to get us, and using this situation, and your support for them to do one to us. This “must apologise to Cyprus” nonsense, you need to pipe down about it.
This is quite wild stuff, I'm afraid, MoonRabit, abd you're normally quite a rational poster There's no chance the majority of people there will support the bases being gone if thr Norherners want so, and that was also a minority position to begin with.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
In another Universe, I wonder how a Rupert Lowe government would be dealing with the 2 million deportations on non existent flights to the Middle East?
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
If people are unhappy. Like the people on LBC this morning who have little money. Just tell them they’re racist 👍
They will soon shut up
No it won’t a lot of them will already be racist and proud of the fact.
The woman caller on LBC was literally in tears due to her financial situation. Empathy is nice but in short supply
She could ask for £40k for her family to go to France?
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
Surely the Iran war has demonstrated that we don't seem to have a functioning Royal Navy we can deploy...
It has been reported that Trump / Israelis was never asking Starmer to actually be involved in attacking Iran, it was simply about being allowed to use airbases because they don't think we really have much to capability these days to add anything extra to an attack compared to combined might of the US / Israelis.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to be rid of our “aircraft carrier”, you foolish person.
So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier ?
I think someone needs to stage an intervention as you seem to have lost it completely !
“ So Cyprus is now so powerful they can force the UK to get rid of its aircraft carrier”
Yes. You are handing them that power. They are out to get us, and using this situation, and your support for them to do one to us. This “must apologise to Cyprus” nonsense, you need to pipe down about it.
Seriously your posts are becoming unhinged ! You’re embarrassing yourself .
You'd have to give me more than £10k to go back to Afghanistan! South Sudan's a bit more problematic but only a bit.
Isn't all this based on a Swedish scheme that seems to work? Or was it Denmark? Or maybe a bit of both.
Danish. I seem to remember several of the naysayers on here and in the media saying we should copy Danish policy, because it works. When we do they still moan.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
If people are unhappy. Like the people on LBC this morning who have little money. Just tell them they’re racist 👍
They will soon shut up
No it won’t a lot of them will already be racist and proud of the fact.
The woman caller on LBC was literally in tears due to her financial situation. Empathy is nice but in short supply
She could ask for £40k for her family to go to France?
Mate, she sounded desperate on the call. Legit. Unlike the usual grifters and whiners.
Morning all. In terms of how this is being handled and where the public are, theres a few things to consider
1) obviously there will always be a preference for no war over war with a majority 2) our alliances and commitments matter to a lot of people 3) the failure to be at the front and centre of defending Cyprus and our own people and territory is a dreadful look for the UK 4) the 'legal advice' is confusing and absurd in relation to real world events 5) if the governments legal advice means Brits are uncertain if HMG will protect them depending on 'circumstances of the need' then it is failing in its first duty
Britain doesnt want to be at war but nor, I suggest, does it want to be a joke on the world stage or let its friends and allies down because Richard Hermer interprets international law in a particular way
We should therefore (in my view) be allowing full use of bases and saying whilst we will not join in offensive action we will act defensively across the region shooting down any Iranian or proxy offensive weaponry etc on sight without exception.
And we should apologise to Cyprus.
We should NOT apologise to Cyprus, they are gaming us to take our “aircraft carrier” away!
You needlessly apologise to Cyprus for this, they will instantly push for more. Can’t you see all this in any other way than Starmer v Badenoch, you foolish person?
Now that the North is blaming thr bases for the trouble, there's no chance that the southerners wull support their removal. They also see a wider European armada coming, after an attack on then.
“ Now that the North is blaming thr bases for the trouble, there's no chance that the southerners wull support their removal.”
That’s just not how I’m seeing it, through such old fashioned out of date eyes.
More likely, after this, and UK admitting it let them down when it technicality didn’t, South will hold a referendum that will easily say all 19 brit establishments must go, and the agreement that gives us 42 ripped up. At very least they will push for change to humanitarian use of bases only.
Why is it that referendum called, and so easily won by the Cyprus government?
US and UK using those 19 establishments in aggressive ways makes Cyprus a vassal state, made a target in wars they wouldn’t even want to be in. And against Turkey they have EU, Israel, and of course Greece in both NATO and EU. Turkey a NATO member too.
Bottom line is what is happening here is not what you think is happening with your out of date eyes.
So we have drones for war, drones for delivery, drones for aerial photography, but does the collective PB mind know of any services where drones & their operators can be hired to pick up smallish objects from high roof-tops?
E.g. cricket ball in the gutter, three storeys high?
Gutter cleaning services have relevant tools for such things
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
Surely the Iran war has demonstrated that we don't seem to have a functioning Royal Navy we can deploy...
It has been reported that Trump / Israelis was never asking Starmer to actually be involved in attacking Iran, it was simply about being allowed to use airbases because they don't think we really have much to capability these days to add anything extra to an attack compared to combined might of the US / Israelis.
And they'd be right. When you consider the commitments the UK has in terms of defending the Falklands, Britain, Eastern Europe, wherever. The problems with maintenance due to funding squeezes. How many spare aircraft does the UK have that it could deploy to an operation in the Middle East?
I think I saw that UK F-35B aircraft were being used in defence of Cyprus. If I remember correctly the F35B is the carrier variant of the F35. The British aircraft carriers are currently in Portsmouth (PoW) and off the coast of Nova Scotia (QEII). So it looks like British airpower is so stretched that we've had to send the planes for our carriers to Cyprus (and Britain doesn't have enough F35B's for both carriers to start with).
The British armed forces are a Potemkin force. It's going to take a lot of money, a fair bit of time, and some appropriate focus to start putting it right. [Editor's Note: Current budget plans have spending on Britain's non-nuclear armed forces being cut over the next few years.]
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Anybody remember BASIC?
10 GET ON ILLEGAL BOAT 20 ENTER BRITAIN 30 RECIEVE £10000 40 LEAVE BRITAIN 50 GOTO 10
I do remember basic, but this is how I'd do it now
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Anybody remember BASIC?
10 GET ON ILLEGAL BOAT 20 ENTER BRITAIN 30 RECIEVE £10000 40 LEAVE BRITAIN 50 GOTO 10
Today's Culture War debate seems to be about whether dancing when there is a 'war' on is acceptable.
We have already managed to rid the world of wars, nowadays there are only special military operations. And yes, it is fine to dance, encouraged even, during them.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
These bikes that zoom about on pavements and cycle lanes, seemingly without the need to pedal. They seem to me to be the easy enforcement option, should one be needed.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
It's one thing when a government bends policy to the will of big oil or big car or big pharma. But big fast food? Surely deliveroo aren't that powerful?
Interesting PB split on this reckless illegal war. Not far off a 50/50 - so more support on here than out 'there'. Bit like the Conservative Party.
I suspect it is more a 30/50/20 with 30 strongly against, 20 typically (with an obvious exception) less strongly in favour and the biggest group a bit resigned about it all, suspicious of motives, hoping it ends quickly and we can all get back to normal.
The United States is planning for the war in Iran to last at least 100 days but it could extend through September, according to reports.
Politico reported that US Central Command had asked to send military intelligence officers to its base in Tampa, Florida, to support operations against Iran until at least June.
But officials have said the operation could extend for even longer after that, with military officers likely to be asked to stay in place until September.
heading for the same result as Putin's 3 day special Op.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The trouble is a significant segment of the voters wants to believe in Farage's MIT - Magic Immigration Tree, whereby simply deploying the Royal Navy in the Channel magically ends all the problems.
Surely the Iran war has demonstrated that we don't seem to have a functioning Royal Navy we can deploy...
It has been reported that Trump / Israelis was never asking Starmer to actually be involved in attacking Iran, it was simply about being allowed to use airbases because they don't think we really have much to capability these days to add anything extra to an attack compared to combined might of the US / Israelis.
And they'd be right. When you consider the commitments the UK has in terms of defending the Falklands, Britain, Eastern Europe, wherever. The problems with maintenance due to funding squeezes. How many spare aircraft does the UK have that it could deploy to an operation in the Middle East?
I think I saw that UK F-35B aircraft were being used in defence of Cyprus. If I remember correctly the F35B is the carrier variant of the F35. The British aircraft carriers are currently in Portsmouth (PoW) and off the coast of Nova Scotia (QEII). So it looks like British airpower is so stretched that we've had to send the planes for our carriers to Cyprus (and Britain doesn't have enough F35B's for both carriers to start with).
The British armed forces are a Potemkin force. It's going to take a lot of money, a fair bit of time, and some appropriate focus to start putting it right. [Editor's Note: Current budget plans have spending on Britain's non-nuclear armed forces being cut over the next few years.]
HMS QE is in bits in Rosyth which I guess technically is off the coast of Nova Scotia, just a fucking long way off.
The carriers aren't of any use in this situation because we already have Akrotiri for defending the airspace around Akrotiri. That's what it's for.
The 35 Bravo vs drone shoot down wasn't to protect Crab Air's Mediterranean STD incubator, it was over Jordan to protect "coalition forces". i.e. The Zionist Entity.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
As a result of govt policy.
If there was a will to sort it then it would be sorted. It’s too difficult. Path of least resistance.
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
Anybody remember BASIC?
10 GET ON ILLEGAL BOAT 20 ENTER BRITAIN 30 RECIEVE £10000 40 LEAVE BRITAIN 50 GOTO 10
25 GET FINED £10000 FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY 30 RECEIVE £10000 35 PAY FINE PLUS INTEREST 40 LEAVE...
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
These bikes that zoom about on pavements and cycle lanes, seemingly without the need to pedal. They seem to me to be the easy enforcement option, should one be needed.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
I have a sneaking suspicion any crackdown on loopholes in the laws on self employment and sub contracting might not be universally popular on here.
This is all because Labour can’t bear to leave the ECHR and look “cruel” in the upper middle social circles to which they aspire
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
That is literally what is already happening. To "punish and deport" you need to catch them, intern them, process them, deport them.
None of those things are simple and every single step gets protested. Which is why no government has managed to properly get on top of it and why Farage wouldn't either if he ever became PM.
The law can be changed.
Australia abolished the crossings by saying you will be immediately deported to another country and processed there. Not spend years in the UK undergoing appeals and processes here: go directly abroad, do not pass go, do not collect £10,000.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Nick Ferrari had it on his LBC show this morning. Phones ringing off the hook about it. People furious !
So just get to the UK and we give you £10k to fly home business class. And buy a new wardrobe and pay off a chunk of your mortgage. Then do it again, and again…
These people don’t need paying they need punishing. Build a supermax jail on the Isle of Sheppey. Arrive in the UK illegally, you get sent there. THEN we send you home after 2 miserable years. We give you NOTHING
Then you create the problem of British asylum seekers fleeing the Isle of Sheppey
Is it still international law that if we declare the whole of Europe formally neutral, we can intern for the duration any US kit that has not left within 24 hours?
(See Graf Spee and the SS Normandie interned in WW2.)
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
These bikes that zoom about on pavements and cycle lanes, seemingly without the need to pedal. They seem to me to be the easy enforcement option, should one be needed.
Interesting PB split on this reckless illegal war. Not far off a 50/50 - so more support on here than out 'there'. Bit like the Conservative Party.
I suspect it is more a 30/50/20 with 30 strongly against, 20 typically (with an obvious exception) less strongly in favour and the biggest group a bit resigned about it all, suspicious of motives, hoping it ends quickly and we can all get back to normal.
Yep. Trouble is, this IS normal for Trump2. The next thing could easily be worse. It's going to be a long 4 years.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
No reason why Deliveroo couldn't be made responsible.
All it would take is a change in the law. The law can be whatever Parliament votes for it to be.
Interesting PB split on this reckless illegal war. Not far off a 50/50 - so more support on here than out 'there'. Bit like the Conservative Party.
I suspect it is more a 30/50/20 with 30 strongly against, 20 typically (with an obvious exception) less strongly in favour and the biggest group a bit resigned about it all, suspicious of motives, hoping it ends quickly and we can all get back to normal.
Yep. Trouble is, this IS normal for Trump2. The next thing could easily be worse. It's going to be a long 4 years.
You think only 4 years? You missed out on Trump 2024, time to get onside with Trump 2028.......
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
No reason why Deliveroo couldn't be made responsible.
All it would take is a change in the law. The law can be whatever Parliament votes for it to be.
Fix the mess. That's your job as a Government.
I take it you didn’t read the actual issue. So let’s try a different example which is how do you determine at every point of every delivery that the person you think is delivering the order is the person actually delivering the order
This is all because Labour can’t bear to leave the ECHR and look “cruel” in the upper middle social circles to which they aspire
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
That is literally what is already happening. To "punish and deport" you need to catch them, intern them, process them, deport them.
None of those things are simple and every single step gets protested. Which is why no government has managed to properly get on top of it and why Farage wouldn't either if he ever became PM.
The law can be changed.
Australia abolished the crossings by saying you will be immediately deported to another country and processed there. Not spend years in the UK undergoing appeals and processes here: go directly abroad, do not pass go, do not collect £10,000.
How much were Rwanda charging per immigrant?
Australia actually didn’t have much of a problem relative to us.
3,000 miles by boat is very different from 25 miles across a relatively flat channel
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
No reason why Deliveroo couldn't be made responsible.
All it would take is a change in the law. The law can be whatever Parliament votes for it to be.
Fix the mess. That's your job as a Government.
I take it you didn’t read the actual issue. So let’s try a different example which is how do you determine at every point of every delivery that the person you think is delivering the order is the person actually delivering the order
This is all because Labour can’t bear to leave the ECHR and look “cruel” in the upper middle social circles to which they aspire
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
That is literally what is already happening. To "punish and deport" you need to catch them, intern them, process them, deport them.
None of those things are simple and every single step gets protested. Which is why no government has managed to properly get on top of it and why Farage wouldn't either if he ever became PM.
The law can be changed.
Australia abolished the crossings by saying you will be immediately deported to another country and processed there. Not spend years in the UK undergoing appeals and processes here: go directly abroad, do not pass go, do not collect £10,000.
How much were Rwanda charging per immigrant?
Australia actually didn’t have much of a problem relative to us.
3,000 miles by boat is very different from 25 miles across a relatively flat channel
Rwanda scheme worked out at about £200m per deportee.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
Mahmood offfering £10,000 per person with a limit of £40,000 for asylum seekers to return to their country
Not sure that will go down well
Public - Give us solutions to the asylum seeker crisis Govt - Here is a partial solution that saves money and reduces the scale of the crisis Public - Not like that!
The public would prefer a solution which doesn't drive up the numbers of people trying to get here.
What about this -
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance 2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1) 3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence 4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k 5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
Just forcing deliveroo, just eat and Uber Eats to only use people with the right to work would fix half the issue
I often walk past one of the asylum seeker hotels in the toon when parking in Manors and walking into Newcastle. There are a fair few of their bikes outside
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
There is a will to deal with the issue, it’s just that Deliveroo and co are doing everything possible to keep the situation as it currently exists.
I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
Deliveroo and co don't set the law, the Government with its landslide majority in Parliament does.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Changing the law is the goddamn problem - UK employment law is an utter mess, and the issue you need to fix is making someone in the middle of the chain but 3 levels above the illegal worker responsible for the worker being legal.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
No reason why Deliveroo couldn't be made responsible.
All it would take is a change in the law. The law can be whatever Parliament votes for it to be.
Fix the mess. That's your job as a Government.
I take it you didn’t read the actual issue. So let’s try a different example which is how do you determine at every point of every delivery that the person you think is delivering the order is the person actually delivering the order
You make the company that facilitated the order (Deliveroo in this instance) subject to strict liability.
Ignorance is no excuse. If anyone is found delivering, who was not the person they thought should be delivering, and has no right to do so, then they are held liable to a large fine.
That puts the burden on them to find solutions to only let people with permission do their work.
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Not such clever politics, because there's little more likely to increase the support in the south for the bases staying there than this.
These people don’t need paying they need punishing. Build a supermax jail on the Isle of Sheppey. Arrive in the UK illegally, you get sent there. THEN we send you home after 2 miserable years. We give you NOTHING
Shabana Mahmood confirms that failed asylum seekers will get a £10,000 exit payment to leave voluntarily, up to a maximum of £40,000 per family.
The Home Secretary says this is cheaper than forcibly removing them, which can involve costly court battles.
But this will ask serious questions of our asylum system: Come illegally to Britain, have your claim rejected, and be sent on your way with a five-figure sum.
So it’s a solution but not a sensible one and it’s going to annoy a lot of people. That £10,000 is 1/3 of the income tax I pay per year and more than Mrs Eek pays
What a gift to Farage
Tell people all the tax they paid last year? It has been used to pay an illegal immigrant to go back to their start point.
No, not to improve the NHS. Not even to fill a single pothole.
Labour really are circling the drain.
I would love to know how this idea (which is sensible but also politically utterly insane) got out of the initial meeting.
There really is a need for this (and all Governments) to have a focus group on how an idea will play out - as this wouldn’t survive 30 seconds as demonstrated on here
E.g. cricket ball in the gutter, three storeys high?
10 GET ON ILLEGAL BOAT
20 ENTER BRITAIN
30 RECIEVE £10000
40 LEAVE BRITAIN
50 GOTO 10
This is his fate
Gives me a chance to post this banger
https://youtu.be/Qu3R-H5on1s?si=uwlUcX_FR_XnrgQ1
We need a party and a PM that gives not a fuck what they think in Barnsbury and Brooklyn
Make arriving in Britain without documents illegal. Make crossing the channel without permission illegal. Punish and deport. Job done
https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2026/mar/05/power-without-a-throne-how-khalifa-haftar-controls-libya-and-is-answerable-to-no-one
You needlessly apologise to Cyprus for this, they will instantly push for more. Can’t you see all this in any other way than Starmer v Badenoch, you foolish person?
A gift to Reform.
https://x.com/natashac/status/2029492824647811284?s=61
But (I think) @rcs1000 is the person to ask for US oil. @Richard_Tyndall works in the industry and may also assist.
They will soon shut up
None of those things are simple and every single step gets protested. Which is why no government has managed to properly get on top of it and why Farage wouldn't either if he ever became PM.
I think someone needs to stage an intervention as you seem to have lost it completely !
One of the greats. Saw it played live, back in the day.
https://x.com/conorgogarty/status/2029501626159939666?s=61
Yes. You are handing them that power. They are out to get us, and using this situation, and your support for them to do one to us. This “must apologise to Cyprus” nonsense, you need to pipe down about it.
1) increase the fine for illegal employment or paying less than minimum wage to £100k per instance
2) break the “ltd” and “subcontractor” shielding, used to evade (1)
3) half the fine goes to those giving evidence
4) if those giving evidence need it, they get indefinite leave to remain, plus their £50k
5) announce the law, when passed will come into force 12 months from the passage of the bill.
Call it the Employment Protection Bill.
Edit: this specifically targets the exploiters. Who are the modern equivalent of the worst Victorian factory owners.
There's no chance the majority of people there will support the bases being gone if thr Norherners want so, and that was also a minority position to begin with.
https://conservativehome.com/2026/03/05/shadow-cabinet-league-table-badenoch-may-not-be-popular-with-starmer-but-shes-dominant-with-conservatives/
I wouldn’t mock her,
That’s just not how I’m seeing it, through such old fashioned out of date eyes.
More likely, after this, and UK admitting it let them down when it technicality didn’t, South will hold a referendum that will easily say all 19 brit establishments must go, and the agreement that gives us 42 ripped up. At very least they will push for change to humanitarian use of bases only.
Why is it that referendum called, and so easily won by the Cyprus government?
US and UK using those 19 establishments in aggressive ways makes Cyprus a vassal state, made a target in wars they wouldn’t even want to be in. And against Turkey they have EU, Israel, and of course Greece in both NATO and EU. Turkey a NATO member too.
Bottom line is what is happening here is not what you think is happening with your out of date eyes.
There’s no will to deal with it so it persists.
I think I saw that UK F-35B aircraft were being used in defence of Cyprus. If I remember correctly the F35B is the carrier variant of the F35. The British aircraft carriers are currently in Portsmouth (PoW) and off the coast of Nova Scotia (QEII). So it looks like British airpower is so stretched that we've had to send the planes for our carriers to Cyprus (and Britain doesn't have enough F35B's for both carriers to start with).
The British armed forces are a Potemkin force. It's going to take a lot of money, a fair bit of time, and some appropriate focus to start putting it right. [Editor's Note: Current budget plans have spending on Britain's non-nuclear armed forces being cut over the next few years.]
static void RunScamLoop(CancellationToken ct) { while (!ct.IsCancellationRequested) { GetOnIllegalBoat(); EnterBritain(); Receive(10_000m); LeaveBritain(); } }I was chatting with the civil service policy officer about it last year and it sounded a nightmare trying to find a solution to the current mess now they’ve been ruled as self employed
I doubt anyone is happy about this war but war it is and as such we have to support our allies in the middle east and yes the US
I am sure we would all like it to just go away
Hmmm. Well see.
The carriers aren't of any use in this situation because we already have Akrotiri for defending the airspace around Akrotiri. That's what it's for.
The 35 Bravo vs drone shoot down wasn't to protect Crab Air's Mediterranean STD incubator, it was over Jordan to protect "coalition forces". i.e. The Zionist Entity.
If there was a will to sort it then it would be sorted. It’s too difficult. Path of least resistance.
30 RECEIVE £10000
35 PAY FINE PLUS INTEREST
40 LEAVE...
And I don’t mean the legendary wrestler.
But of course your position of "Netanyahu and Trump shouldn't have started this but now they have we should support them" is more common.
If the Civil Service thinks its a nightmare, then change the goddamn law. Get a bill through our sovereign Parliament.
Australia abolished the crossings by saying you will be immediately deported to another country and processed there. Not spend years in the UK undergoing appeals and processes here: go directly abroad, do not pass go, do not collect £10,000.
Now you could make the end user of Deliveroo responsible for the check but that’s not going to go down well.
(See Graf Spee and the SS Normandie interned in WW2.)
Mr Hegseth would turn an interesting color.
*innocent face*
All it would take is a change in the law. The law can be whatever Parliament votes for it to be.
Fix the mess. That's your job as a Government.
Fairytale extremism to the Left
I like it.
I like it a lot
With Tories sprinting Right to out reform Reform.
Greens jogging left to out do Corbyn
A very very fertile fence for Lab and LD to sit on astride 60% of the population.
The post McSweeney and Wormold broom in Labour sweeping away a lot of clouded and confused thinking.
Australia actually didn’t have much of a problem relative to us.
3,000 miles by boat is very different from 25 miles across a relatively flat channel
Ignorance is no excuse. If anyone is found delivering, who was not the person they thought should be delivering, and has no right to do so, then they are held liable to a large fine.
That puts the burden on them to find solutions to only let people with permission do their work.
I’m keen to do the indoor food market, Buda Castle, the shoes and the Basilica
Anything else ?
Wifey and I are foody too.
Stopping in the Aria. So slumming it by PB standards.