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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971

    carnforth said:

    FPT If you have a very sweet tooth, a lemon and sugar pancake is much improved by a filling of Tipton's Little Scarlet.

    Try Tipton's Loganberry.

    Finest Conserve In The World.
    I'd guess you mean Tiptree's?
    Er, yes - had a visitor as I posted! Ran out of time to correct.

    Although, there might be some great jams coming out of the Tipton WI...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971
    Scott_xP said:

    The Lowegasm may be overstated..... 92% do not recognise him, up from 86% last year

    https://x.com/i/status/2023801397138047248

    https://x.com/colder_sarcasm/status/2023717801467478125?s=20
    Harsh, but funny!
  • boulay said:

    https://x.com/nationalpost/status/2023760613315350864

    'One of the most unheralded stories of last year was the increase in Canadian exports to the United Kingdom, to the point Britain has become this country’s second-largest export market, overtaking China'

    Carney is without doubt head and shoulders above any European leader

    Indeed he wants the EU and CPTPP to negotiate a trade agreement between their 2 blocks serving the interests of 1. 5 billion people
    I suspect some of those who laughed at the UK joining the CPTPP won't be laughing any more if that happens.
    There seems to be a groundswell on social media in favour of CANZUK. A lot of Aussies seem to be pushing it since Carney’s impending visit to Australia was announced.
    CPTPP is that and more
  • CatMan said:

    https://x.com/nationalpost/status/2023760613315350864

    'One of the most unheralded stories of last year was the increase in Canadian exports to the United Kingdom, to the point Britain has become this country’s second-largest export market, overtaking China'

    Carney is without doubt head and shoulders above any European leader

    Indeed he wants the EU and CPTPP to negotiate a trade agreement between their 2 blocks serving the interests of 1. 5 billion people
    I suspect some of those who laughed at the UK joining the CPTPP won't be laughing any more if that happens.
    It's not quite the same though is it? The EU isn't actually joining the CPTPP.
    It is simply madness for the EU not to pick up on Carney's intervention and commence talks with the CPTPP

    Lets hope wise head have the vision
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,820

    boulay said:

    CatMan said:

    Battlebus said:

    In immigration news, FO has found a new wheeze to pi** off the British but not British. They can F.O. if they think they can collect £589 from me. Another U-turn in the making.

    Under the existing rules, a dual national is able to travel to the UK using a passport issued by a second country - but from 25 February that will no longer be the case.

    Instead, they will need to show either a British passport, or a document called a certificate of entitlement - and without one of them, they could face being denied the right to travel back to the UK.


    Emirates Airlines in Dubai tried something similar about a year ago and got educated.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d9yk2kpjo

    Will this even apply to Irish passports?
    Nope. Irish passports are like upgraded British ones.
    The Irish passport really is the king of passports. Watching the Brits sweat in various European passport queues as they sail through serenely must be some sweet Irish karma for those centuries of oppression.
    If you are Irish and still holding petty grudges about things that happened before your parents were born when you come from a country that’s generally happy and successful then you need to give your head a wobble. Do they feel guilty about taking tax from other countries’ exchequers by allowing multi-nationals to base themselves there under beneficial tax arrangements? Or letting other countries pick up their slack to ensure Europe is safe? Do they snark at scandi countries for Viking enslavement? I think they should look forward and enjoy the country they have become rather than a moment of tumescence at a British family spending longer in passport queues.
    Wow, that touched a nerve! I'm sure most Irish won't allow themselves anything more than a wry smile. But Brexit is certainly a nice vindication of Irish independence, a neat century after the Easter Rising.
    At least until EU tax harmonisation, anyway.
  • https://x.com/nationalpost/status/2023760613315350864

    'One of the most unheralded stories of last year was the increase in Canadian exports to the United Kingdom, to the point Britain has become this country’s second-largest export market, overtaking China'

    Carney is without doubt head and shoulders above any European leader

    Indeed he wants the EU and CPTPP to negotiate a trade agreement between their 2 blocks serving the interests of 1. 5 billion people
    I suspect some of those who laughed at the UK joining the CPTPP won't be laughing any more if that happens.
    Surely the UK already has a closer trade agreement with the EU than is likely to be achieved between the CPTPP and the EU? How would such an agreement make any difference to our trade with the EU? (I ask because I'm curious; I'm not mocking.)
    We are members of the CPTPP so everyone would benefit
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    edited February 17
    stodge said:

    In terms of this May's elections, extending the elections into traditionally Conservative areas has the benefit to the Tories of increasing the actual number of votes cast for the party.

    This might also help with the NEV share which now seems to be the barometer of Badenoch's survival. Will the Conservatives be ahead of Labour, albeit both well behind Reform?

    Thrasher had Ref 32 Lab 19 Con 18 LD 16 Grn 11 last year

    The JLP poll last month for areas 'cancelled' had Ref 28 Con 21 Lab 17 which us imo slightly low Ref, slightly high Con about right Lab given recent movements

    So, perhaps, Ref 29/30 Con 19/20, Lab 17/18 LD 15/16 Grn 11/12 ??

    Fag packet Woolie has fag packeted

    I certainly expect the core Tory voter strike to start abating a little
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,514

    boulay said:

    CatMan said:

    Battlebus said:

    In immigration news, FO has found a new wheeze to pi** off the British but not British. They can F.O. if they think they can collect £589 from me. Another U-turn in the making.

    Under the existing rules, a dual national is able to travel to the UK using a passport issued by a second country - but from 25 February that will no longer be the case.

    Instead, they will need to show either a British passport, or a document called a certificate of entitlement - and without one of them, they could face being denied the right to travel back to the UK.


    Emirates Airlines in Dubai tried something similar about a year ago and got educated.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d9yk2kpjo

    Will this even apply to Irish passports?
    Nope. Irish passports are like upgraded British ones.
    The Irish passport really is the king of passports. Watching the Brits sweat in various European passport queues as they sail through serenely must be some sweet Irish karma for those centuries of oppression.
    If you are Irish and still holding petty grudges about things that happened before your parents were born when you come from a country that’s generally happy and successful then you need to give your head a wobble. Do they feel guilty about taking tax from other countries’ exchequers by allowing multi-nationals to base themselves there under beneficial tax arrangements? Or letting other countries pick up their slack to ensure Europe is safe? Do they snark at scandi countries for Viking enslavement? I think they should look forward and enjoy the country they have become rather than a moment of tumescence at a British family spending longer in passport queues.
    Wow, that touched a nerve! I'm sure most Irish won't allow themselves anything more than a wry smile. But Brexit is certainly a nice vindication of Irish independence, a neat century after the Easter Rising.
    It may be simpler than that. Perhaps Ireland has nabbed some of the offshore business that the CI's had.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,118
    edited February 17

    https://x.com/nationalpost/status/2023760613315350864

    'One of the most unheralded stories of last year was the increase in Canadian exports to the United Kingdom, to the point Britain has become this country’s second-largest export market, overtaking China'

    Carney is without doubt head and shoulders above any European leader

    Indeed he wants the EU and CPTPP to negotiate a trade agreement between their 2 blocks serving the interests of 1. 5 billion people
    I suspect some of those who laughed at the UK joining the CPTPP won't be laughing any more if that happens.
    Surely the UK already has a closer trade agreement with the EU than is likely to be achieved between the CPTPP and the EU? How would such an agreement make any difference to our trade with the EU? (I ask because I'm curious; I'm not mocking.)
    We are members of the CPTPP so everyone would benefit
    Yes, I know we're members of the CPTPP, but the UK also already has a close trade relationship with the EU, so I'm not sure how an EU/CPTPP trade deal would actually make much difference to UK/EU trade.
  • https://x.com/nationalpost/status/2023760613315350864

    'One of the most unheralded stories of last year was the increase in Canadian exports to the United Kingdom, to the point Britain has become this country’s second-largest export market, overtaking China'

    Carney is without doubt head and shoulders above any European leader

    Indeed he wants the EU and CPTPP to negotiate a trade agreement between their 2 blocks serving the interests of 1. 5 billion people
    I suspect some of those who laughed at the UK joining the CPTPP won't be laughing any more if that happens.
    Surely the UK already has a closer trade agreement with the EU than is likely to be achieved between the CPTPP and the EU? How would such an agreement make any difference to our trade with the EU? (I ask because I'm curious; I'm not mocking.)
    We are members of the CPTPP so everyone would benefit
    Yes, I know we're members of the CPTPP, but the UK also already has a close trade relationship with the EU, so I'm not sure how an EU/CPTPP trade deal would actually make much difference to UK/EU trade.
    Remove barriers as a CPTPP member
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,619
    Farage's defenstration of Lowe could yet come back to bite him:

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2023792432182174177

    Here is footage of the armed police raiding my home late on a Friday night thanks to Zia Yusuf's lies - now Farage's choice to be Home Secretary.

    All supported by the Reform leadership, supported by Farage.

    This man is not fit to lead the Home Office.

    None of them are fit to be in Government.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,472
    The Norwegian curling team have been raiding TSE's wardrobe

    https://bsky.app/profile/cullenoncurling.bsky.social/post/3mf34hcnips2u
  • isamisam Posts: 43,654
    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,649

    Trump's statement on Jesse Jackson:

    https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/2023776936611422719

    The Reverend Jesse Jackson is Dead at 84. I knew him well, long before becoming President. He was a good man, with lots of personality, grit, and “street smarts.” He was very gregarious - Someone who truly loved people! Despite the fact that I am falsely and consistently called a Racist by the Scoundrels and Lunatics on the Radical Left, Democrats ALL, it was always my pleasure to help Jesse along the way. I provided office space for him and his Rainbow Coalition, for years, in the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street; Responded to his request for help in getting CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM passed and signed, when no other President would even try; Single handedly pushed and passed long term funding for Historically Black Colleges & Universities (HBCUs), which Jesse loved, but also, which other Presidents would not do; Responded to Jesse’s support for Opportunity Zones, the single most successful economic development package yet approved for Black business men/women, and much more. Jesse was a force of nature like few others before him. He had much to do with the Election, without acknowledgment or credit, of Barack Hussein Obama, a man who Jesse could not stand. He loved his family greatly, and to them I send my deepest sympathies and condolences. Jesse will be missed! President DONALD J. TRUMP

    All about him…
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup
  • Older readers may remember the contributions of Rik_W, the rather boisterous Tory councillor who fell by the wayside some years ago. He is now posting regularly on Twi/X, still beating the drum for the Conservative cause. What makes his contributions there interesting is that he loathes ReformUK, and denounces anyone who suggests any form of electoral pact with them, but is very keen on Rupert Lowe, and wants to see some sort of accommodation with Restore Britain.
    It’s going to be interesting to see how many factions the Conservatives will be able to generate – those keen to cuddle up to RefUH, those wanting to get close to ReStore BR, and absolutist who want no truck with anybody. Who knows, there might even be some who advocate tolerating the Lib Dems (but I doubt it.)
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,514
    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    She's on manœufrers
  • Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    The new moon has been sighted.

    Ramadan Kareem to all those who observe.

    Sadly, for Duran Duran fans, it’s not a new moon on Monday.
    This is Planet Earth!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    stodge said:

    In terms of this May's elections, extending the elections into traditionally Conservative areas has the benefit to the Tories of increasing the actual number of votes cast for the party.

    This might also help with the NEV share which now seems to be the barometer of Badenoch's survival. Will the Conservatives be ahead of Labour, albeit both well behind Reform?

    Thrasher had Ref 32 Lab 19 Con 18 LD 16 Grn 11 last year

    The JLP poll last month for areas 'cancelled' had Ref 28 Con 21 Lab 17 which us imo slightly low Ref, slightly high Con about right Lab given recent movements

    So, perhaps, Ref 29/30 Con 19/20, Lab 17/18 LD 15/16 Grn 11/12 ??

    Fag packet Woolie has fag packeted

    I certainly expect the core Tory voter strike to start abating a little
    Basically the Tories will find any measure to justify what they want

    The more seats they fight the more they win the more they lose

    If NEV means they pick up high percentage in somme seats where they are up against a few independents so be it.

    It's like Wolves suddenly winning 2 games and drawing one and saying they are third in the past 3 games table.

    Delusional clap trap.

    TORIES as official opposition in their heartland seats should poll 25% minimum.

    If they don't they are declining on worst GE for 100 years.

    Let the delusion begin.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    I think the policies are rubbish. But the lying is just insane. Just can’t get away with such lying. Everything in government is minuted.

    There is no way, under any form of reason or possibility, Labour negotiated and signed off the Chagos agreement with Mauritius in just 8 weeks. We know the Conservative Party had 11 rounds of negotiation plus a PM to PM summit creating the current Chagos deal - Conservative government told the house of commons and committee this, we know all the most contentious items had been agreed before Labour came to power - so why is Kemi both the biggest critic of the Chagos deal, denies the Conservatives had anything to do with it, and claims it’s wholly Labours Chagos deal?

    It’s not only it’s a dammed lie, it’s the fact Kemi can’t actually lie about this. Labour only have to publish the minutes of the 11 rounds of Conservative negotiation and the plan A document they inherited, and the Kemi leadership and her front bench dies instantly, on the spot.
    Not sure where to start on this

    The previous goverment were required to enter discussions but did not agree terms

    It is 17 months since Starmer and Helmer picked up the stalled deal and simply rolled over

    Let labour publish the minutes if they dare
    Labour will no doubt publish the minutes once the Tory deal is finalised

    It would be unfair not to give them due credit for it.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    I think the policies are rubbish. But the lying is just insane. Just can’t get away with such lying. Everything in government is minuted.

    There is no way, under any form of reason or possibility, Labour negotiated and signed off the Chagos agreement with Mauritius in just 8 weeks. We know the Conservative Party had 11 rounds of negotiation plus a PM to PM summit creating the current Chagos deal - Conservative government told the house of commons and committee this, we know all the most contentious items had been agreed before Labour came to power - so why is Kemi both the biggest critic of the Chagos deal, denies the Conservatives had anything to do with it, and claims it’s wholly Labours Chagos deal?

    It’s not only it’s a dammed lie, it’s the fact Kemi can’t actually lie about this. Labour only have to publish the minutes of the 11 rounds of Conservative negotiation and the plan A document they inherited, and the Kemi leadership and her front bench dies instantly, on the spot.
    I

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    Bit of a recurring theme here.

    The danger if gross upramping

    Once the detail is evidenced the ramp collapses.

    So many lies that don't stand any form of scrutiny.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191
    Will our next Deputy PM be moving back to the UK?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,820
    Brixian59 said:

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    I think the policies are rubbish. But the lying is just insane. Just can’t get away with such lying. Everything in government is minuted.

    There is no way, under any form of reason or possibility, Labour negotiated and signed off the Chagos agreement with Mauritius in just 8 weeks. We know the Conservative Party had 11 rounds of negotiation plus a PM to PM summit creating the current Chagos deal - Conservative government told the house of commons and committee this, we know all the most contentious items had been agreed before Labour came to power - so why is Kemi both the biggest critic of the Chagos deal, denies the Conservatives had anything to do with it, and claims it’s wholly Labours Chagos deal?

    It’s not only it’s a dammed lie, it’s the fact Kemi can’t actually lie about this. Labour only have to publish the minutes of the 11 rounds of Conservative negotiation and the plan A document they inherited, and the Kemi leadership and her front bench dies instantly, on the spot.
    Not sure where to start on this

    The previous goverment were required to enter discussions but did not agree terms

    It is 17 months since Starmer and Helmer picked up the stalled deal and simply rolled over

    Let labour publish the minutes if they dare
    Labour will no doubt publish the minutes once the Tory deal is finalised

    It would be unfair not to give them due credit for it.
    There's no deal until everyone has signed on the dotted line.

    If Keir signs it, he owns it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,499
    Nigelb said:

    Trump's statement on Jesse Jackson:

    https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/2023776936611422719

    The Reverend Jesse Jackson is Dead at 84. I knew him well, long before becoming President. He was a good man, with lots of personality, grit, and “street smarts.” He was very gregarious - Someone who truly loved people! Despite the fact that I am falsely and consistently called a Racist by the Scoundrels and Lunatics on the Radical Left, Democrats ALL, it was always my pleasure to help Jesse along the way. I provided office space for him and his Rainbow Coalition, for years, in the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street; Responded to his request for help in getting CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM passed and signed, when no other President would even try; Single handedly pushed and passed long term funding for Historically Black Colleges & Universities (HBCUs), which Jesse loved, but also, which other Presidents would not do; Responded to Jesse’s support for Opportunity Zones, the single most successful economic development package yet approved for Black business men/women, and much more. Jesse was a force of nature like few others before him. He had much to do with the Election, without acknowledgment or credit, of Barack Hussein Obama, a man who Jesse could not stand. He loved his family greatly, and to them I send my deepest sympathies and condolences. Jesse will be missed! President DONALD J. TRUMP

    Jesse Jackson on Trump.

    “The language of Donald Trump has been a source of shame for our nation. Humiliation and untruth.”

    “Trump wants to pull us back into white supremacy.”
    Thanks for clearing that up for us William.*

    Edit: Oh wait, it was Nigelb replying to William.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,499
    stodge said:

    In terms of this May's elections, extending the elections into traditionally Conservative areas has the benefit to the Tories of increasing the actual number of votes cast for the party.

    This might also help with the NEV share which now seems to be the barometer of Badenoch's survival. Will the Conservatives be ahead of Labour, albeit both well behind Reform?

    I suspect the Badenoch NEV expectation is why Labour folded so easily.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,373
    edited February 17

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I stopped making pancakes because of my rubbish pancakes as my ex-wife kept on calling me a useless tosser.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,886

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I was in my 20s before I realised the toss was essentially superfluous. A gentle flip with a fish slice works just as well and fewer pancakes are lost that way.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533
    Carney has been busy today.

    Just bought a 1% share in the newco that has just bought Birmingham City Fc Ladies together with Kim Clijsters.

    Well done the Carney.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,636
    There was a lot of speculation about the legal basis upon which the government did their U turn yesterday. In terms of reasons I find the compelling points made on this thread header far more persuasive than the alleged merits of the Reform case. To slightly misquote "I think she's got it, by George I think she's got it!"
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,015
    For the Trump devotees here. Enjoy.

    What if Donald Trump was born in other countries

    ‘Daniel Tormani Farzad’ 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/gubloinvestor/status/2023738518074249659?s=61
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,636

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I stopped making pancakes because of my rubbish pancakes as my ex-wife kept on calling me a useless tosser.
    You're entirely sure that that related only to pancakes?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I was in my 20s before I realised the toss was essentially superfluous. A gentle flip with a fish slice works just as well and fewer pancakes are lost that way.
    Affectations out of cooking!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,636
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,068
    edited February 17

    CatMan said:

    Battlebus said:

    In immigration news, FO has found a new wheeze to pi** off the British but not British. They can F.O. if they think they can collect £589 from me. Another U-turn in the making.

    Under the existing rules, a dual national is able to travel to the UK using a passport issued by a second country - but from 25 February that will no longer be the case.

    Instead, they will need to show either a British passport, or a document called a certificate of entitlement - and without one of them, they could face being denied the right to travel back to the UK.


    Emirates Airlines in Dubai tried something similar about a year ago and got educated.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d9yk2kpjo

    Will this even apply to Irish passports?
    Nope. Irish passports are like upgraded British ones.
    The Irish passport really is the king of passports. Watching the Brits sweat in various European passport queues as they sail through serenely must be some sweet Irish karma for those centuries of oppression.
    I am generally a big fan of the legacy of Empire, but we really should have ended the bizarre and anomalous status of Irish citizens in this country when we left the EU. Either they should have taken British citizenship, or be treated as any other foreigners, which they are. And of course got rid of Northern Ireland too and saved ourselves more even than our outrageous EU contributions..

    In fact, we really should have done all that after the Second World War, when their sympathies were so obviously on the Nazi side.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,448
    edited February 17
    Just out of interest, who's the heir apparent to Curtice, or the closest thing you can get to him if he packed it all in and went on holiday during a major election?

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    You're ramping ketchup?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,255
    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/PalantirTech/status/2023780511051809010

    We have moved our headquarters to Miami, Florida.

    For tax reasons, presumably.
    Of course. California and Delaware are losing a lot of company registrations, mostly to Florida and Texas.
    I don't think many companies have ever registered in California - certainly when we started seven (!) years ago, I never even considered anything other than becoming a Delaware C Corp.

    That said, I think Nevada is the number one destination state for companies leaving Delaware (as far as company registrations go). Dropbox, TripAdvisor, and Pershing Square all moved to Nevada. I can't think of anyone other than Tesla that's moved to Texas.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538

    Just out of interest, who's the heir apparent to Curtice, or the closest thing you can get to him if he packed it all in and went on holiday during a major election?


    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    You're ramping ketchup?
    Lord Sir Michael Thrasher
    And me
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,499
    Andy_JS said:

    Reform UK are starting to get a bit irritating for some reason.

    Reports of historic racism, Russia adjacency and Trump fanboiing for starters.
  • Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?
  • DavidL said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I stopped making pancakes because of my rubbish pancakes as my ex-wife kept on calling me a useless tosser.
    You're entirely sure that that related only to pancakes?
    Now you mention it, I think you might be onto something.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    Depends on your definition of “roused”. Sure there’s some males who have been.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,015
    Brixian59 said:

    Carney has been busy today.

    Just bought a 1% share in the newco that has just bought Birmingham City Fc Ladies together with Kim Clijsters.

    Well done the Carney.

    Got to do something with her strictly winnings !!

    Kim Clijsters though !!
  • Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    Depends on your definition of “roused”. Sure there’s some males who have been.
    excited
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,636

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    Nope, mild irritation is as good as its got.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191
    edited February 17
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I was in my 20s before I realised the toss was essentially superfluous. A gentle flip with a fish slice works just as well and fewer pancakes are lost that way.
    Surely a ban hammer for this? People will be posting that they use grated Parmesan next.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,015

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I’d suggest it probably has the opposite effect. If only he’d been around when one got all those unwanted stiffies at the most awkward of times as a youth. All you’d need to do recall his ‘My Dad was a toolmaker’ speech and the boys are back in the barracks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    Andy_JS said:

    Reform UK are starting to get a bit irritating for some reason.

    Reports of historic racism, Russia adjacency and Trump fanboiing for starters.
    Hasn't hurt them yet, but sometimes it takes awhile - we'll see.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    Depends on your definition of “roused”. Sure there’s some males who have been.
    excited
    Priapatic
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    Anyway in important news i can reveal that I, Wooliedyed, have been appointed as the Woolie Shadow Chancellor. That puts me on an equal footing with the other pretendy shadow people announced today.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,015
    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I stopped making pancakes because of my rubbish pancakes as my ex-wife kept on calling me a useless tosser.
    You're entirely sure that that related only to pancakes?
    Better pancakes than salad I’d say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246
    edited February 17


    You're ramping ketchup?

    With the plethora of other condiment options available thesedays the hardy and trustworthy Tomato Ketchup is sadly in need of ramping.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,619

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    The only time he got an impassioned response was when he said he supported a second referendum while giving a speech as Shadow Brexit Secretary.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,532
    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I stopped making pancakes because of my rubbish pancakes as my ex-wife kept on calling me a useless tosser.
    You're entirely sure that that related only to pancakes?
    Better pancakes than salad I’d say.
    Only tossers enjoy salad.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,948
    Will Reform be bringing back powdered eggs ?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,788

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    What modern politician is capable of delivering a rousing speech? Kinnock was the last genuinely great orator in mainstream politics and a lot of good it did him.
  • sǝʞɐɔʞuɐԀ
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,499

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
  • Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    What modern politician is capable of delivering a rousing speech? Kinnock was the last genuinely great orator in mainstream politics and a lot of good it did him.
    Starmer roused a crowd with his "accidental" island of strangers effort, just not positively
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    What modern politician is capable of delivering a rousing speech? Kinnock was the last genuinely great orator in mainstream politics and a lot of good it did him.
    Really? “We’re alright!” Yeah. Great speech that was. How did it work out for him? (Well apart from the cushy job in Brussels)?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,448

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Pancakes shouldn't be perfect, ffs Katie
    I was in my 20s before I realised the toss was essentially superfluous. A gentle flip with a fish slice works just as well and fewer pancakes are lost that way.
    Surely a ban hammer for this? People will be posting that they use grated Parmesan next.
    Not on my pancakes, anyway.
  • Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    You complain about Tory "ramping", but you throw likes to whatever Brixian is producing..
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    You complain about Tory "ramping", but you throw likes to whatever Brixian is producing..
    Oh Labour supporters don’t “ramp”. They just say the truth.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    edited February 17

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    No, that would be challenging as i hate ketchup and like the Tories. I have no intention of putting myself out
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    nico67 said:

    Will Reform be bringing back powdered eggs ?

    Modern freeze dried eggs are excellent
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,323

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    lol. True to form, you’re always going to vote for someone else until polling day approaches!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533
    IanB2 said:

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    lol. True to form, you’re always going to vote for someone else until polling day approaches!
    That'll be 2 to the NEV then.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    You complain about Tory "ramping", but you throw likes to whatever Brixian is producing..
    Oh Labour supporters don’t “ramp”. They just say the truth.
    We're very open and transparent.

    We know we're going to get a shellacking.

    Tell it as it is.

    You have to hit the bottom to start the climb and that will be the medicine we'll take.

    Thats the difference, we aren't deluded.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer
  • WTAF?!?

    Why did they release this?

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    52m
    🚨 WATCH: Keir Starmer gifts Rachel Reeves pancakes for Shrove Tuesday

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023821505373892954
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    Are the Reform shadow cabinet shadowing the youth parliament? Or is that a bit taking the stabilisers off too soon?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538

    WTAF?!?

    Why did they release this?

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    52m
    🚨 WATCH: Keir Starmer gifts Rachel Reeves pancakes for Shrove Tuesday

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023821505373892954

    Jesus Christ.
    'Happy pancake day'
    Fucking idiots
  • Does HYUFD mention Cleverly more or less than five times each day?

    Is he obsessed, or on the payroll?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    stodge said:

    In terms of this May's elections, extending the elections into traditionally Conservative areas has the benefit to the Tories of increasing the actual number of votes cast for the party.

    This might also help with the NEV share which now seems to be the barometer of Badenoch's survival. Will the Conservatives be ahead of Labour, albeit both well behind Reform?

    It won't make any difference to NEV which is a UK wide estimate, albeit based on votes cast on the day
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,499
    edited February 17

    Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    You complain about Tory "ramping", but you throw likes to whatever Brixian is producing..
    I give likes to lots of posters irrespective of party loyalty. I'm very generous with my likes. I often like HYUFD's posts and I've even given a couple of likes to @williamglenn recently when he has made some quite comedic interjections.

    What kind of saddo checks out the "likes" of other posters? I couldn't give two hoots as to who you give your likes too.

    Before Christmas you didn't like my posts, so I try to limit those to the relatively inoffensive. I don't interact with posters I have no time for, except to justify myself, and now you are castigating me for liking other people's posts. What kind of communism is this?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246
    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    Starmer will last longer through the institutional weight of government power. I don't think the Tories have the patience or fortitude to withstand a hammering at the Locals, when so many in their ranks still want to capitulate to, or copulate with, Reform. If all those who were Reform leaning had left already then maybe they could wait it out, but I don't think that is the case.
  • WTAF?!?

    Why did they release this?

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    52m
    🚨 WATCH: Keir Starmer gifts Rachel Reeves pancakes for Shrove Tuesday

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023821505373892954

    Jesus Christ.
    'Happy pancake day'
    Fucking idiots
    Shrove Tuesday is far too Christian
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,255
    Fishing said:

    CatMan said:

    Battlebus said:

    In immigration news, FO has found a new wheeze to pi** off the British but not British. They can F.O. if they think they can collect £589 from me. Another U-turn in the making.

    Under the existing rules, a dual national is able to travel to the UK using a passport issued by a second country - but from 25 February that will no longer be the case.

    Instead, they will need to show either a British passport, or a document called a certificate of entitlement - and without one of them, they could face being denied the right to travel back to the UK.


    Emirates Airlines in Dubai tried something similar about a year ago and got educated.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d9yk2kpjo

    Will this even apply to Irish passports?
    Nope. Irish passports are like upgraded British ones.
    The Irish passport really is the king of passports. Watching the Brits sweat in various European passport queues as they sail through serenely must be some sweet Irish karma for those centuries of oppression.
    I am generally a big fan of the legacy of Empire, but we really should have ended the bizarre and anomalous status of Irish citizens in this country when we left the EU. Either they should have taken British citizenship, or be treated as any other foreigners, which they are. And of course got rid of Northern Ireland too and saved ourselves more even than our outrageous EU contributions..

    In fact, we really should have done all that after the Second World War, when their sympathies were so obviously on the Nazi side.
    You know... we could give Northern Ireland to the US. I mean, Trump is deperate to add territory and all. So why not?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    What modern politician is capable of delivering a rousing speech? Kinnock was the last genuinely great orator in mainstream politics and a lot of good it did him.
    Really? “We’re alright!” Yeah. Great speech that was. How did it work out for him? (Well apart from the cushy job in Brussels)?
    You don't have to agree with the content to acknowledge great oratory.

    Why do Tories have to be so tribal.

    Heseltine was the last great Tory orator in my opinion

    Penhaligon the most recent Liberal orator

    I was present for Kinnocks Liverpool speech. I was a few rows behind the tosser Hatton when he stormed out.

    Spellbinding
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,323
    edited February 17
    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    Hampshire elections were never going to be cancelled
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
  • Ive decided that for Lent i shall be giving up voting for and ramping Labour. That and tomato ketchup

    Couldn't you stick with the ketchup and give up ramping the Tories?
    You complain about Tory "ramping", but you throw likes to whatever Brixian is producing..
    I give likes to lots of posters irrespective of party loyalty. I'm very generous with my likes. I often like HYUFD's posts and I've even given a couple of likes to @williamglenn recently when he has made some quite comedic interjections.

    What kind of saddo checks out the "likes" of other posters? I couldn't give two hoots as to who you give your likes too.

    Before Christmas you didn't like my posts, so I try to limit those to the relatively inoffensive. I don't interact with posters I have no time for, except to justify myself, and now you are castigating me for liking other people's posts. What kind of communism is this?
    I occasionally let my cursor drift over the like button, just to see who has liked a Brixian post that does nothing but attack Kemi

    You seem to be there the most that I've noticed

  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,028
    isam said:

    Katie Lam on how to flip a pancake… the new Nigel(la) Lawson

    For perfect pancakes:

    1. Wait - let the batter sit and the pan get hot

    2. Flip decisively

    3. Use minimal fat - wipe the pan with buttered kitchen towel

    4. Most importantly, use delicious, fresh ingredients from the Weald of Kent


    Here I am following my own advice last year 🥞


    https://x.com/katie_lam_mp/status/2023797838405407211?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Wait, she seems to flip before adding the batter to the pan. Could get messy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    Trump's statement on Jesse Jackson:

    https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/2023776936611422719

    The Reverend Jesse Jackson is Dead at 84. I knew him well, long before becoming President. He was a good man, with lots of personality, grit, and “street smarts.” He was very gregarious - Someone who truly loved people! Despite the fact that I am falsely and consistently called a Racist by the Scoundrels and Lunatics on the Radical Left, Democrats ALL, it was always my pleasure to help Jesse along the way. I provided office space for him and his Rainbow Coalition, for years, in the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street; Responded to his request for help in getting CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM passed and signed, when no other President would even try; Single handedly pushed and passed long term funding for Historically Black Colleges & Universities (HBCUs), which Jesse loved, but also, which other Presidents would not do; Responded to Jesse’s support for Opportunity Zones, the single most successful economic development package yet approved for Black business men/women, and much more. Jesse was a force of nature like few others before him. He had much to do with the Election, without acknowledgment or credit, of Barack Hussein Obama, a man who Jesse could not stand. He loved his family greatly, and to them I send my deepest sympathies and condolences. Jesse will be missed! President DONALD J. TRUMP

    Jackson did know Trump quite well and Trump agreed to Jackson's request to pardon and release from jail a former Illinois governor pal of his. Jackson also infamously said Obama 'talked down' to black people, though he backed Obama in 2008 regardless and cried on election night.

    Jackson may never have won the Democratic nomination, coming 3rd in 1984 and runner up to Dukakis in 1988 ahead of Gore but he was significant in moving the Democrats towards the minority black, LGBT vote etc. He also was a close friend of Martin Luther King and was with him when he was assassinated
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Carney has been busy today.

    Just bought a 1% share in the newco that has just bought Birmingham City Fc Ladies together with Kim Clijsters.

    Well done the Carney.

    Got to do something with her strictly winnings !!

    Kim Clijsters though !!
    She's massive in US in paddle ball, I think that's what they call it. Her husband and her are big mates with Tom Brady.

    This buying your own Ladies team is the latest ruse to get round FFP or whatever it's called now.

    So you can add 20m to your balance sheet.

    Hence the January splurge.
  • IanB2 said:

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    lol. True to form, you’re always going to vote for someone else until polling day approaches!
    I was voting Plaid but they will beat labour anyway so just back to the party I have supported most of my life
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,023

    I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    I think the policies are rubbish. But the lying is just insane. Just can’t get away with such lying. Everything in government is minuted.

    There is no way, under any form of reason or possibility, Labour negotiated and signed off the Chagos agreement with Mauritius in just 8 weeks. We know the Conservative Party had 11 rounds of negotiation plus a PM to PM summit creating the current Chagos deal - Conservative government told the house of commons and committee this, we know all the most contentious items had been agreed before Labour came to power - so why is Kemi both the biggest critic of the Chagos deal, denies the Conservatives had anything to do with it, and claims it’s wholly Labours Chagos deal?

    It’s not only it’s a dammed lie, it’s the fact Kemi can’t actually lie about this. Labour only have to publish the minutes of the 11 rounds of Conservative negotiation and the plan A document they inherited, and the Kemi leadership and her front bench dies instantly, on the spot.
    Not sure where to start on this

    The previous goverment were required to enter discussions but did not agree terms

    It is 17 months since Starmer and Helmer picked up the stalled deal and simply rolled over

    Let labour publish the minutes if they dare
    Where to start? How about telling us how Labour managed two years of negotiation it just 8 weeks? You can’t.

    Stalled Chagos deal? After 11 rounds and PM summit, it was ready for handshake since late autumn 2023. Conservatives did agree terms on most of the Chagos deal as it now is.

    Under Kemi It’s opportunism gone mad. Chagos far worse for conservatives than opposing election postponements, having postponed them themselves for same reason Labour did! The media and public pay more attention to Chagos. Kemi is standing on a box of fireworks, sparking. Misleading the public to this degree has been insane. 🤷‍♀️

    What on earth are the Conservatives going to say in the commons and on QT when the Chagos truth comes out? how much they agreed, that there was no freeze on negotiating and agreeing, just a go slow from January 24. and how much of a ready deal they left Labour to pick up and sign. It will stand out a mile they left it to the next government to sign and own it, and how fake to oppose and pile on what they negotiated.

    Labour will certainly publish the minutes and expose the Conservatives - there is no law or anything stopping them. Timing? Probably a few weeks before polling this spring. Or when putting it through commons. Likely both at same time. And for sure, Kemi is finished the moment this comes out.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538

    WTAF?!?

    Why did they release this?

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    🚨 WATCH: Keir Starmer gifts Rachel Reeves pancakes for Shrove Tuesday

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023821505373892954

    Jesus Christ.
    'Happy pancake day'
    Fucking idiots
    Shrove Tuesday is far too Christian
    Our PM puts batter pancakes in despatch boxes for social media.
    We are doomed
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769
    Brixian59 said:

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
    Starmer doesn’t have good oral skills?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
  • Does HYUFD mention Cleverly more or less than five times each day?

    Is he obsessed, or on the payroll?

    Both
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,329
    Brixian59 said:

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
    Kemi is pretty good imo.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    edited February 17

    Labour are obviously scared of Kemi. Any Tories thinking about getting rid of her should reflect on that.

    Labour are as scared of Kemi as they were of IDS and the Tories were at least still second in the polls under IDS not third like now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
    Labour won the 2013 local elections and the Tories were still largest party in Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
    Labour won the 2013 local elections and the Tories were still largest party in Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013
    And?
  • I respect John Curtice as well and he may be right for those strong reform areas

    However, the story of the night will be Scotland and Wales and labour's performance with Starmer in the cross hairs

    I know there are several anti Kemi posters on here, but if the conservative party think the way forward is another change of leader to Cleverly then they have not learnt their lesson

    This is a marathon, not a sprint and despite the attacks on Kemi, some verging on the very unpleasant, I expect her to remain in office

    I was going to vote Plaid in May, but both my wife and I will vote conservative

    I didn’t think you’d like this thread header.

    If Kemi is so wonderful then, we have a fine Conservative Party policy created and honed by Conservative government hand in hand with Conservative councils to scrap councils and five thousand councillors, streamlining to save money. In order to run down councils in a sound money saving, resource diverting to the reorg, way, the conservatives in government postponed some local elections, Conservative governments that Kemi was a part of.

    So now in opposition, why the hell is she vehemently against exactly the same thing?

    That 100% brass neck opportunistic nature of her’s is 100% hideous, is it not?
    Ok - you don't like her
    I think the policies are rubbish. But the lying is just insane. Just can’t get away with such lying. Everything in government is minuted.

    There is no way, under any form of reason or possibility, Labour negotiated and signed off the Chagos agreement with Mauritius in just 8 weeks. We know the Conservative Party had 11 rounds of negotiation plus a PM to PM summit creating the current Chagos deal - Conservative government told the house of commons and committee this, we know all the most contentious items had been agreed before Labour came to power - so why is Kemi both the biggest critic of the Chagos deal, denies the Conservatives had anything to do with it, and claims it’s wholly Labours Chagos deal?

    It’s not only it’s a dammed lie, it’s the fact Kemi can’t actually lie about this. Labour only have to publish the minutes of the 11 rounds of Conservative negotiation and the plan A document they inherited, and the Kemi leadership and her front bench dies instantly, on the spot.
    Not sure where to start on this

    The previous goverment were required to enter discussions but did not agree terms

    It is 17 months since Starmer and Helmer picked up the stalled deal and simply rolled over

    Let labour publish the minutes if they dare
    Where to start? How about telling us how Labour managed two years of negotiation it just 8 weeks? You can’t.

    Stalled Chagos deal? After 11 rounds and PM summit, it was ready for handshake since late autumn 2023. Conservatives did agree terms on most of the Chagos deal as it now is.

    Under Kemi It’s opportunism gone mad. Chagos far worse for conservatives than opposing election postponements, having postponed them themselves for same reason Labour did! The media and public pay more attention to Chagos. Kemi is standing on a box of fireworks, sparking. Misleading the public to this degree has been insane. 🤷‍♀️

    What on earth are the Conservatives going to say in the commons and on QT when the Chagos truth comes out? how much they agreed, that there was no freeze on negotiating and agreeing, just a go slow from January 24. and how much of a ready deal they left Labour to pick up and sign. It will stand out a mile they left it to the next government to sign and own it, and how fake to oppose and pile on what they negotiated.

    Labour will certainly publish the minutes and expose the Conservatives - there is no law or anything stopping them. Timing? Probably a few weeks before polling this spring. Or when putting it through commons. Likely both at same time. And for sure, Kemi is finished the moment this comes out.
    Nonsense on stilts
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
    Labour won the 2013 local elections and the Tories were still largest party in Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013
    And?
    Reform will almost certainly be largest party in Norfolk and probably East Sussex as well
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