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Tories could be hit harder by local election u-turn than Labour says Prof Sir John Curtice

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
    Labour won the 2013 local elections and the Tories were still largest party in Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013
    And?
    Reform will almost certainly be largest party in Norfolk and probably East Sussex as well
    Thats a natural extrapolation of their leading in the polls, yes. You thrn intetpret that as Cleverly time. Others disagree given its clearly not going to be

    I really have no idea why @HYUFD includes Cleverly in near every post

    The same Cleverly who sabotaged his own campaign by trying to be too 'cleverly' by half and can apparently now save the consevative party post May

    I can understand the attacks on Kemi coming from her opponents but a so called conservative, not so
    The whole 'they arent doing as well as when they got 35% NEV' argument for change 18 months after their heaviest ever defeat in a 5 party politcal set up is abject ridiculous nonsense and is in fact the sort of idiocy that has them where they are now

    Fortunately i think the remaining Tory MPs arent so inclined
    Only the half of them being protected by the "60 seat" strategy I suspect :)

    Seriously, I know and if I know you know and if you know they know another leadership change will leave them open to even more ridicule than now. The corollary (as always) is to find the leader under whom they would be doing demonstrably better. The short answer is, there isn't one.

    I've said for a while Badenoch has been doing well enough but May is likely to be difficult for the party with losses to Reform likely to offset gains from Labour. The truth is none of Cleverly, Coutinho or Lam would make any difference.
    Cleverly would, for starters he would get more Labour and LD tactical votes in Tory seats to beat Reform, he also polls better with 2024 Tory voters
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Curtice is right. If the Tories lose control of big county councils in Tory heartlands like Norfolk and Suffolk and Sussex and Hampshire as well as weather vane marginal Harlow (all councils that until this week were due to have elections postponed ahead of planned reorganisation) that will be a big blow to Kemi. If the Tories also then fall to 3rd in the NEV behind Labour as well as Reform then a VONC by Tory MPs would be likely and Cleverly would likely replace Kemi as leader.

    So the pressure is on both Kemi and SKS, whichever of them sees their party 3rd in May is likely a goner by the summer

    They hold Harlow by one seat, its hardly going to rock the world if they lose it to NoC
    They lost Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013 of course so they are hardly monolithically Tory
    Labour won the 2013 local elections and the Tories were still largest party in Norfolk and East Sussex in 2013
    And?
    Reform will almost certainly be largest party in Norfolk and probably East Sussex as well
    Thats a natural extrapolation of their leading in the polls, yes. You thrn intetpret that as Cleverly time. Others disagree given its clearly not going to be

    I really have no idea why @HYUFD includes Cleverly in near every post

    The same Cleverly who sabotaged his own campaign by trying to be too 'cleverly' by half and can apparently now save the consevative party post May

    I can understand the attacks on Kemi coming from her opponents but a so called conservative, not so
    The whole 'they arent doing as well as when they got 35% NEV' argument for change 18 months after their heaviest ever defeat in a 5 party politcal set up is abject ridiculous nonsense and is in fact the sort of idiocy that has them where they are now

    Fortunately i think the remaining Tory MPs arent so inclined
    When Rishi resigned the Tories were still 10% ahead of Reform, they are now 10% behind Reform.

    Kemi has to at least stay second ahead of Labour in May or Tory MPs will decide most of them are goners anyway and they have no choice but to roll the dice on Cleverly, who could at least shore up the Sunak 2024 vote and win more Labour and LD tactical votes in Tory held seats to beat Reform than Kemi would have been able to
    If the Tories get second are you going to stop ramping Cleverly?
    If the Tories get second I will row in fully behind Kemi
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,432
    .

    Nigelb said:

    fox327 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmer speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
    Kemi is pretty good imo.
    Chatgpt reckons that Farage is one of the best orators since 1945, and was central to mobilising Leave voters in the Brexit campaign.
    AI has trouble distinguishing between orator and fluent liar, evidently.
    Could you define the difference, please?
    They are overlapping but not identical sets.
    Farage lies outside the overlap.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,564
    DavidL said:

    Off topic, but of general importance:

    Does character count? RFK, Jr. provides an interesting test:

    On April 15, 1994, Kennedy married architect and designer Mary Kathleen Richardson, a close friend of his sister Kerry, aboard a research vessel on the Hudson River.[469][470] Kennedy has six children, two with Black and four with Richardson.[471]

    During his marriage to Richardson, Kennedy was known among his friends for sending explicit nude photos of women that they presumed he had taken, according to Vanity Fair.[29] He reportedly engaged in multiple affairs during the marriage.[472][29][473] His friends later called him a “lifelong philanderer”.[474][475] On May 12, 2010, Kennedy filed for divorce from Richardson. On May 16, 2012, Richardson was found dead in a building on the grounds of her home in Bedford, New York. The Westchester County Medical Examiner ruled the death a suicide due to asphyxiation from hanging.

    Before her death, Richardson had discovered Kennedy’s personal journal from 2001, in which he recorded sexual encounters with 37 different women. According to Kennedy, Richardson passed the journal along “to her sisters with instructions that, if anything happened to her, [it should be] published in the press”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.#Personal_life

    I have long said that — if a man’s wife doesn’t trust him — neither should we.
    I didn't think my opinion of this prat could get any lower but hey, live and learn.

    You can certainly see why RFK would fit in very well with the Trump crowd. Just their kind of bro.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour are obviously scared of Kemi. Any Tories thinking about getting rid of her should reflect on that.

    Labour are as scared of Kemi as they were of IDS and the Tories were at least still second in the polls under IDS not third like now
    I am with you HY. She is going nowhere fast even whilst Starmer is firing blanks. Imagine the carnage if Labour could put someone into the PM roll who was even barely competent. Mind you as far as I am concerned I'd like to see her stay. Although I feel your frustration.

    She is the Tories' answer to Ed Milliband.
    No William Hague was the Tories Ed Miliband and both were very intelligent and deep thinkers even if too nerdy to be elected PM. Hague was also a great speaker and regularly beat Blair at PMQs.

    Neither Hague nor Miliband saw their parties third either and Miliband often saw his Labour party leading the polls and even Hague saw the Tories win the 2000 local elections and make gains in 1998 and 1999
    IDS did better in the 2003 local elections than Hague did in 2000. Maybe it was a mistake to force him out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_Kingdom_local_elections

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_United_Kingdom_local_elections
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
  • Polanski to take on Lammy !

    https://x.com/i/status/2023855525566267542
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246
    DavidL said:

    Off topic, but of general importance:

    Does character count? RFK, Jr. provides an interesting test:

    On April 15, 1994, Kennedy married architect and designer Mary Kathleen Richardson, a close friend of his sister Kerry, aboard a research vessel on the Hudson River.[469][470] Kennedy has six children, two with Black and four with Richardson.[471]

    During his marriage to Richardson, Kennedy was known among his friends for sending explicit nude photos of women that they presumed he had taken, according to Vanity Fair.[29] He reportedly engaged in multiple affairs during the marriage.[472][29][473] His friends later called him a “lifelong philanderer”.[474][475] On May 12, 2010, Kennedy filed for divorce from Richardson. On May 16, 2012, Richardson was found dead in a building on the grounds of her home in Bedford, New York. The Westchester County Medical Examiner ruled the death a suicide due to asphyxiation from hanging.

    Before her death, Richardson had discovered Kennedy’s personal journal from 2001, in which he recorded sexual encounters with 37 different women. According to Kennedy, Richardson passed the journal along “to her sisters with instructions that, if anything happened to her, [it should be] published in the press”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.#Personal_life

    I have long said that — if a man’s wife doesn’t trust him — neither should we.
    I didn't think my opinion of this prat could get any lower but hey, live and learn.

    I don't think being a shitty husband or wife in itself means someone may not be trustworthy in a political sense, but there is a point where the personal shittiness is at such a level that you can't blame people for no longer trusting anything else.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,532
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    I thought the BEM was awarded for meritorious service, not poshness. Otherwise Rees-Mogg would have been awarded it, not Big G’s father in law.
  • More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,658
    I'm not sure it's strictly plausible to describe David Lammy in being one of the better Labour ministers, but I feel comfortable in saying he's surprised on the upside?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,330
    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 533

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,636
    edited February 17
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic, but of general importance:

    Does character count? RFK, Jr. provides an interesting test:

    On April 15, 1994, Kennedy married architect and designer Mary Kathleen Richardson, a close friend of his sister Kerry, aboard a research vessel on the Hudson River.[469][470] Kennedy has six children, two with Black and four with Richardson.[471]

    During his marriage to Richardson, Kennedy was known among his friends for sending explicit nude photos of women that they presumed he had taken, according to Vanity Fair.[29] He reportedly engaged in multiple affairs during the marriage.[472][29][473] His friends later called him a “lifelong philanderer”.[474][475] On May 12, 2010, Kennedy filed for divorce from Richardson. On May 16, 2012, Richardson was found dead in a building on the grounds of her home in Bedford, New York. The Westchester County Medical Examiner ruled the death a suicide due to asphyxiation from hanging.

    Before her death, Richardson had discovered Kennedy’s personal journal from 2001, in which he recorded sexual encounters with 37 different women. According to Kennedy, Richardson passed the journal along “to her sisters with instructions that, if anything happened to her, [it should be] published in the press”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.#Personal_life

    I have long said that — if a man’s wife doesn’t trust him — neither should we.
    I didn't think my opinion of this prat could get any lower but hey, live and learn.
    I don't think being a shitty husband or wife in itself means someone may not be trustworthy in a political sense, but there is a point where the personal shittiness is at such a level that you can't blame people for no longer trusting anything else.

    He is vile. And, by the way, at least partly responsible for the deaths of 4 children in 2025 who died of measles, the first to do so in the US in a decade.

    Only a monster like Trump could surely bare to be in the same room as him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    The 7 Kent county councillors who got kicked out of Reform in the great Medway schism have joined Restore

    So Reform kicks outs their most troublesome members and replaces them with unreliable, but more mainstream, Tories - probably a net win in terms of appealing widely?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620
    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,184
    fox327 said:

    fox327 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmehung on his every word.r speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
    Kemi is pretty good imo.
    Chatgpt reckons that Farage is one of the best orators since 1945, and was central to mobilising Leave voters in the Brexit campaign.
    The full list:
    1. Winston Churchill
    2. Enoch Powell
    3. Margaret Thatcher
    4. Tony Blair
    5. Aneurin Bevan
    6. Denis Healey
    7. Michael Foot
    8. Nigel Farage
    9. William Hague
    10. David Lloyd George

    Honourable Mentions
    Robin Cook
    George Galloway
    Boris Johnson.
    AI dross.

    Although my great-great Uncle Will attended Lloyd George's funeral in Llanystumdwy in 1945. My grandfather remembered hearing Lloyd George speak in 1924, the crowd was in the thousands, and all hung on his every word. Not the case today, but that seems to be more a loss of deference than the entire fault of the politicians themselves.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246
    DavidL said:


    He is vile. And, by the way, at least partly responsible for the deaths of 4 children in 2025 who died of measles, the first to do so in the US in a decade.

    Only a monster like Trump could surely bare to be in the same room as him.

    The rise in distrust of vaccines in general (not just specific ones) which people like him have helped spread (even if, for sake of argument, we say that was not their intention), has and is going to have serious and deadly consequences. Unlearning one of the incalculably good things humanity has learned.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,654
    edited February 17

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 WATCH: Keir Starmer gifts Rachel Reeves pancakes for Shrove Tuesday

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023821505373892954

    ====

    Watch and then imagine a second or two later, Malcolm Tucker walks into the room and says "What the fuck do you two lameducks think you are up to?"

    I have never liked Sir Keir at all, but his USP was as a boring, but competent, safe pair of hands, especially relative to Boris Johnson, and obviously the Boris haters lapped that up. Because they loathed Johnson, they saw charisma and humour as negatives, and therefore thought his polar opposite must be virtuous and sincere, because he was boring and humourless

    Now Starmer has proven to weak and incompetent as PM, he is straining every sinew to be likeable and funny, and it is as painful as watching Theresa May dance on to stage at a Tory Conference. Apeing the kind of social media antics his fans used to tut over when it was the enemy. Humiliation
  • isamisam Posts: 43,654

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    He looks like Newcastle keeper Nick Pope
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour are obviously scared of Kemi. Any Tories thinking about getting rid of her should reflect on that.

    Labour are as scared of Kemi as they were of IDS and the Tories were at least still second in the polls under IDS not third like now
    I am with you HY. She is going nowhere fast even whilst Starmer is firing blanks. Imagine the carnage if Labour could put someone into the PM roll who was even barely competent. Mind you as far as I am concerned I'd like to see her stay. Although I feel your frustration.

    She is the Tories' answer to Ed Milliband.
    No William Hague was the Tories Ed Miliband and both were very intelligent and deep thinkers even if too nerdy to be elected PM. Hague was also a great speaker and regularly beat Blair at PMQs.

    Neither Hague nor Miliband saw their parties third either and Miliband often saw his Labour party leading the polls and even Hague saw the Tories win the 2000 local elections and make gains in 1998 and 1999
    IDS did better in the 2003 local elections than Hague did in 2000. Maybe it was a mistake to force him out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_Kingdom_local_elections

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_United_Kingdom_local_elections
    There's probably a paradox in such questions, since if someone was able to be forced out in such a way then does that suggest it was correct to happen even if later results were not good, since a good leader could have gotten through without being ousted?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,848
    edited February 17
    Brixian59 said:

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
    What is it to do with the tories

    In your world allegations of bullying can be dismissed

    It is that poor judgment that saw Starmer appoint Mandelson and Doyle
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,043
    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    That's funny, I was just thinking about a small lay bet on them.

    Just watched an Owen Jones podcast about it. Framed around being a positive story on the greens, but the vox pops to me told a different story. A Burberry cap wearing lady annoyed at 'the immigrants' ended her segment by saying she would probably vote Green - which of course she won't. If that sort of thing is indicative of the wider population telling Green canvassers what they want to hear, the Greens will be massively overestimating their own support. Hannah seemed very nice, but fairly out of her depth. She had no idea what she'd do upon her election, just seemed to think the very fact that a Green female plumber would be elected would change politics. :neutral:

    It's between Reform and Labour for me.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,043
    Someone needs to put our smilies on a low carb diet.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    HYFUD. Stop it. BGW has explained. He’s the Cod father. You have no Plaice in this argument. It’s shellfish for you to continue. If you keep Carping on to knock BGW off his Perch then your Sole argument becomes no more than a red Herring. Bass-ically your arguments are small Fry so don’t get so Puff-ed up.
    LOL
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,675
    Cicero said:

    fox327 said:

    fox327 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Has anyone here ever been positively roused by a Starmehung on his every word.r speech?

    I tried knocking one out but, alas. Starmer is the anti-spooge
    No.

    None of the current Party leaders are good orators.
    Kemi is pretty good imo.
    Chatgpt reckons that Farage is one of the best orators since 1945, and was central to mobilising Leave voters in the Brexit campaign.
    The full list:
    1. Winston Churchill
    2. Enoch Powell
    3. Margaret Thatcher
    4. Tony Blair
    5. Aneurin Bevan
    6. Denis Healey
    7. Michael Foot
    8. Nigel Farage
    9. William Hague
    10. David Lloyd George

    Honourable Mentions
    Robin Cook
    George Galloway
    Boris Johnson.
    AI dross.

    Although my great-great Uncle Will attended Lloyd George's funeral in Llanystumdwy in 1945. My grandfather remembered hearing Lloyd George speak in 1924, the crowd was in the thousands, and all hung on his every word. Not the case today, but that seems to be more a loss of deference than the entire fault of the politicians themselves.
    I've visited his grave in Llanystumdwy.

    Smooth stones, with leaf mould, above a waterfall. Hauntingly beautiful but fuck me it was slippery. I went over and nearly broke my ankle.
  • Brixian59 said:

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
    What is it to do with the tories

    In your world allegations of bullying can be dismissed

    It is that poor judgment that saw Starmer appoint Mandelson and Doyle
    In Tory world bullying was also dismissed, have you forgotten Priti Patel, who proudly sits on Kemi's frontbench.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,658

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
  • I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,680
    All kicking off at Benfica
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,432

    Brixian59 said:

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
    What is it to do with the tories

    In your world allegations of bullying can be dismissed

    It is that poor judgment that saw Starmer appoint Mandelson and Doyle
    The article you quote says that they were dismissed.
    Nine years ago, under the then administration.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,675

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    An eggsplosive statement.
  • Brixian59 said:

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
    What is it to do with the tories

    In your world allegations of bullying can be dismissed

    It is that poor judgment that saw Starmer appoint Mandelson and Doyle
    In Tory world bullying was also dismissed, have you forgotten Priti Patel, who proudly sits on Kemi's frontbench.
    I don't disagree but this is yet another problem for Starmer who said he would apply the highest of ethics
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,680
    Suggestions one of the Benfica players said something racist
  • viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
    For a moment I thought that you were probably describing the PM
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,680
    It's getting a bit Afcon final
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,156
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:


    He is vile. And, by the way, at least partly responsible for the deaths of 4 children in 2025 who died of measles, the first to do so in the US in a decade.

    Only a monster like Trump could surely bare to be in the same room as him.

    The rise in distrust of vaccines in general (not just specific ones) which people like him have helped spread (even if, for sake of argument, we say that was not their intention), has and is going to have serious and deadly consequences. Unlearning one of the incalculably good things humanity has learned.
    A doctor writes: There's a lot of it about.

    https://bsky.app/profile/teaforpterosaur.bsky.social/post/3mf2r24pzvs26
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,472

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Well it's Ash Wednesday tomorrow. Are we going to celebrate that Sir Keir?

  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Nothing represents our PM better than flour mixed with egg.

    And tossed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    edited February 17

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Clearly the posts under the line after he posted his Ramadan greetings last year hit home, this year he made sure not to forget Christians preparing for Lent
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.

    ‪Stephen Bush‬
    @stephenkb.bsky.social‬

    Literally every day there is some mad story about something Matt Goodwin, who in terms of 'actually viable candidates for a parliamentary seat' is the by-election candidate furthest from public opinion since, what...Bermondsey 1983?

    https://bsky.app/profile/stephenkb.bsky.social/post/3mf2idfwbhk2r
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:


    He is vile. And, by the way, at least partly responsible for the deaths of 4 children in 2025 who died of measles, the first to do so in the US in a decade.

    Only a monster like Trump could surely bare to be in the same room as him.

    The rise in distrust of vaccines in general (not just specific ones) which people like him have helped spread (even if, for sake of argument, we say that was not their intention), has and is going to have serious and deadly consequences. Unlearning one of the incalculably good things humanity has learned.
    A doctor writes: There's a lot of it about.

    https://bsky.app/profile/teaforpterosaur.bsky.social/post/3mf2r24pzvs26
    I don't generally subscribe to the idea society is getting dumber, but in this we really are.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,555
    FWIW.. its become clear to.me that Brixian59 cannot pissble believe what he/she may write.
    Treat as amusement only.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191
    geoffw said:

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Well it's Ash Wednesday tomorrow. Are we going to celebrate that Sir Keir?

    "today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together"

    Is it? Isn't Shrove the period of repentance and confession?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,658

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
    For a moment I thought that you were probably describing the PM
    Goodwin has convictions and the courage of them.
    Starmer gets up in the morning and waits for somebody to tell him what to think.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,555

    Brixian59 said:

    More problems for no 10

    BBC News - Cabinet secretary frontrunner faced multiple bullying complaints
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0zjw5pz48o

    Jesus wept

    Old news 10 years ago.

    Rehash by Mason

    The Tories loved this woman, highly impressed them.

    She gets the job on merit
    What is it to do with the tories

    In your world allegations of bullying can be dismissed

    It is that poor judgment that saw Starmer appoint Mandelson and Doyle
    In Tory world bullying was also dismissed, have you forgotten Priti Patel, who proudly sits on Kemi's frontbench.
    It rather depends on whether it was true in either case.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    HYFUD. Stop it. BGW has explained. He’s the Cod father. You have no Plaice in this argument. It’s shellfish for you to continue. If you keep Carping on to knock BGW off his Perch then your Sole argument becomes no more than a red Herring. Bass-ically your arguments are small Fry so don’t get so Puff-ed up.
    Some turbot-charged fish punning there...
  • viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
    For a moment I thought that you were probably describing the PM
    Goodwin has convictions and the courage of them.
    Starmer gets up in the morning and waits for somebody to tell him what to think.
    I reckon that Starmer is convinced that he's a goodie, so all of his decisions are good

    Even if someone else makes them for him
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620
    As Britain leads, America follows.

    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/2023744570308317232

    The trans rights backlash is extremely real and very worrying for progressives.

    The public is aligned with conservatives on several issues like sports, restrooms, and minors' access to care. It's possibly the worst issue for progressives I've ever polled.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    Has anyone, anywhere before today ever said 'Happy Shrove Tuesday'?

    What can we say? Starmer loves a day dedicated to tossing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971
    kle4 said:

    The 7 Kent county councillors who got kicked out of Reform in the great Medway schism have joined Restore

    So Reform kicks outs their most troublesome members and replaces them with unreliable, but more mainstream, Tories - probably a net win in terms of appealing widely?
    Except, how long before the first Reform Tory retread wanders off to Restore?
  • Fishing said:

    CatMan said:

    Battlebus said:

    In immigration news, FO has found a new wheeze to pi** off the British but not British. They can F.O. if they think they can collect £589 from me. Another U-turn in the making.

    Under the existing rules, a dual national is able to travel to the UK using a passport issued by a second country - but from 25 February that will no longer be the case.

    Instead, they will need to show either a British passport, or a document called a certificate of entitlement - and without one of them, they could face being denied the right to travel back to the UK.


    Emirates Airlines in Dubai tried something similar about a year ago and got educated.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d9yk2kpjo

    Will this even apply to Irish passports?
    Nope. Irish passports are like upgraded British ones.
    The Irish passport really is the king of passports. Watching the Brits sweat in various European passport queues as they sail through serenely must be some sweet Irish karma for those centuries of oppression.
    I am generally a big fan of the legacy of Empire, but we really should have ended the bizarre and anomalous status of Irish citizens in this country when we left the EU. Either they should have taken British citizenship, or be treated as any other foreigners, which they are. And of course got rid of Northern Ireland too and saved ourselves more even than our outrageous EU contributions..

    In fact, we really should have done all that after the Second World War, when their sympathies were so obviously on the Nazi side.
    On 21 February 1945 Viscount Cranborne, the British Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs, presented a memorandum to the British War Cabinet regarding Irish–British collaboration during 1939–1945:[43]

    They agreed to our use of Lough Foyle for naval and air purposes. The ownership of the Lough is disputed, but the Southern Irish authorities are tacitly not pressing their claim in present conditions and are also ignoring any flying by our aircraft over the Donegal shore of the Lough, which is necessary in certain wind conditions to enable flying boats to take off from the Lough.
    They have agreed to use by our aircraft based on Lough Erne of a corridor over Southern Irish territory and territorial waters for the purpose of flying out to the Atlantic.
    They have arranged for the immediate transmission to the United Kingdom Representative's Office in Dublin of reports of submarine activity received from their coast watching service.
    They arranged for the broadening of reports by their Air observation Corps of aircraft sighted over or approaching Southern Irish territory. (This does not include our aircraft using the corridor referred to in (b) above.)
    They arranged for the extinction of trade and business lighting in coastal towns where such lighting was alleged to afford a useful landmark for German aircraft.
    They have continued to supply us with meteorological reports.
    They have agreed to the use by our ships and aircraft of two wireless direction-finding stations at Malin Head.
    They have supplied particulars of German crashed aircraft and personnel crashed or washed ashore or arrested on land.
    They arranged for staff talks on the question of co-operation against a possible German invasion of Southern Ireland, and close contact has since been maintained between the respective military authorities.
    They continue to intern all German fighting personnel reaching Southern Ireland. On the other hand, though after protracted negotiations, Allied service personnel are now allowed to depart freely and full assistance is given in recovering damaged aircraft.
    Recently, in connection with the establishment of prisoner of war camps in Northern Ireland, they have agreed to return or at least intern any German prisoners who may escape from Northern Ireland across the border to Southern Ireland.
    They have throughout offered no objection to the departure from Southern Ireland of persons wishing to serve in the United Kingdom Forces nor to the journey on leave of such persons to and from Southern Ireland (in plain clothes).
    They have continued to exchange information with our security authorities regarding all aliens (including Germans) in Southern Ireland.
    They have (within the last few days) agreed to our establishing a radar station in Southern Ireland for use against the latest form of submarine activity.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II#The_Cranborne_Report
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    90% of people never went to uni then and I expect most of your neighbours don't have the rather ample ex senior police officer's pension you have
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,789

    geoffw said:

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Well it's Ash Wednesday tomorrow. Are we going to celebrate that Sir Keir?

    "today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together"

    Is it? Isn't Shrove the period of repentance and confession?
    Mardi Gras is quite a jolly rumbustification in parts of the world and Ash Wednesday begins with an almighty hangover.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour are obviously scared of Kemi. Any Tories thinking about getting rid of her should reflect on that.

    Labour are as scared of Kemi as they were of IDS and the Tories were at least still second in the polls under IDS not third like now
    I am with you HY. She is going nowhere fast even whilst Starmer is firing blanks. Imagine the carnage if Labour could put someone into the PM roll who was even barely competent. Mind you as far as I am concerned I'd like to see her stay. Although I feel your frustration.

    She is the Tories' answer to Ed Milliband.
    No William Hague was the Tories Ed Miliband and both were very intelligent and deep thinkers even if too nerdy to be elected PM. Hague was also a great speaker and regularly beat Blair at PMQs.

    Neither Hague nor Miliband saw their parties third either and Miliband often saw his Labour party leading the polls and even Hague saw the Tories win the 2000 local elections and make gains in 1998 and 1999
    IDS did better in the 2003 local elections than Hague did in 2000. Maybe it was a mistake to force him out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_Kingdom_local_elections

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_United_Kingdom_local_elections
    To be fair to IDS, he probably would have made some gains and done nearly as well as Howard did in 2005 anyway
  • viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
    For a moment I thought that you were probably describing the PM
    Goodwin has convictions and the courage of them.
    Starmer gets up in the morning and waits for somebody to tell him what to think.
    I reckon that Starmer is convinced that he's a goodie, so all of his decisions are good

    Even if someone else makes them for him
    "Ace Starmer - what a guy!"
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,581
    edited February 17

    sǝʞɐɔuɐԀ

    I flipped pancakes today
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    Goodwin's problem is his humourlessness.
    Also his invincible belief in his own infallibility and his inability to believe that somebody who disagrees with him may have a point. Plus if he's in a black suit and white shirt he looks like a monochrome photograph.
    For a moment I thought that you were probably describing the PM
    Goodwin has convictions and the courage of them.
    Starmer gets up in the morning and waits for somebody to tell him what to think.
    I reckon that Starmer is convinced that he's a goodie, so all of his decisions are good
    A politician.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    kle4 said:

    The 7 Kent county councillors who got kicked out of Reform in the great Medway schism have joined Restore

    So Reform kicks outs their most troublesome members and replaces them with unreliable, but more mainstream, Tories - probably a net win in terms of appealing widely?
    Except, how long before the first Reform Tory retread wanders off to Restore?
    A few maybe, but probably not the high profile ones - they scent power.
  • geoffw said:

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    Well it's Ash Wednesday tomorrow. Are we going to celebrate that Sir Keir?

    Ash Sarkar might :lol:
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    90% of people never went to uni then and I expect most of your neighbours don't have the rather ample ex senior police officer's pension you have
    What senior officer police pension ?

    After 6 months in Edinburgh City Police my father, mother , sister , wife and I came to Llandudno and took over a very busy newsagents and grocers

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,538

    kle4 said:

    The 7 Kent county councillors who got kicked out of Reform in the great Medway schism have joined Restore

    So Reform kicks outs their most troublesome members and replaces them with unreliable, but more mainstream, Tories - probably a net win in terms of appealing widely?
    Except, how long before the first Reform Tory retread wanders off to Restore?
    Dorries, Gullis, Berry. Never mind the quality, feel the width
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191

    Daisy Eastlake
    @daisyeastlake

    EXCL: Zack Polanski will take on a Labour grandee for a north London seat at the next election

    The leader of the Green Party said he was considering running in Hackney, Walthamstow or Tottenham, close to where he lives

    https://x.com/daisyeastlake/status/2023851514335494237
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,472
    @atrupar.com‬

    Mike Rounds says Republicans just want to make you show your document with a yellow star in order to vote

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mf3jeuseu72a
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,833

    Andy_JS said:

    Starting to think the Greens are most lilely to win the by-election.

    That's funny, I was just thinking about a small lay bet on them.

    Just watched an Owen Jones podcast about it. Framed around being a positive story on the greens, but the vox pops to me told a different story. A Burberry cap wearing lady annoyed at 'the immigrants' ended her segment by saying she would probably vote Green - which of course she won't. If that sort of thing is indicative of the wider population telling Green canvassers what they want to hear, the Greens will be massively overestimating their own support. Hannah seemed very nice, but fairly out of her depth. She had no idea what she'd do upon her election, just seemed to think the very fact that a Green female plumber would be elected would change politics. :neutral:

    It's between Reform and Labour for me.
    To nail my colours to the mast: if there's value in the market, I think it's the bet on Reform... but I think the Greens are most likely to win.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,756
    I've just watched Small Prophets on BBC iPlayer. Very weird and wonderful. Highly recommend.
  • Nobody is talking about today's big news.

    Netflix has started streaming Stargate SG-1 today.

    Chevron seven locked.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,156
    Barnesian said:

    I've just watched Small Prophets on BBC iPlayer. Very weird and wonderful. Highly recommend.

    Tony Blair Doc on Channel 4 is good viewing. It takes me back to my New Labour Days.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,833

    I'm enjoying the Shrove Tuesday values which have brought us all together

    @Keir_Starmer

    Wishing a happy Shrove Tuesday to everyone who is celebrating.

    Rooted in Christian tradition, today is an opportunity to reflect on the values that bring us together.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2023728127407538393

    The values that bring us together? So, the value bets in the betting markets? Nice one, Keir. We all believe in those.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,926
    Barnesian said:

    I've just watched Small Prophets on BBC iPlayer. Very weird and wonderful. Highly recommend.

    I note that it teased more with a to be continued. In some ways, yes, I’d love more. But in others irs almost a perfect package. Hope series two doesn’t drop off.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,654
    Barnesian said:

    I've just watched Small Prophets on BBC iPlayer. Very weird and wonderful. Highly recommend.

    Yes, absolutely brilliant. Almost enough to restore ones faith in human nature.

    MacKenzie Crook has a happy knack of making funny and relatable comedies, Detectorists was equally good
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    90% of people never went to uni then and I expect most of your neighbours don't have the rather ample ex senior police officer's pension you have
    What senior officer police pension ?

    After 6 months in Edinburgh City Police my father, mother , sister , wife and I came to Llandudno and took over a very busy newsagents and grocers

    So you became a business owner not a member of the proletariat
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,246

    Nobody is talking about today's big news.

    Netflix has started streaming Stargate SG-1 today.

    Chevron seven locked.

    One of my favourite shows of all time - I'm there.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,926
    The only good news, if any, in this comes from my friends brother in law. He’s a police detective who works on these cases. The good news? Many, many of these sick fuckers are terminally stupid and computer illiterate, so catching them and finding evidence is trivial.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098
    The Tony Blair story on C4 now
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,926
    kle4 said:

    Nobody is talking about today's big news.

    Netflix has started streaming Stargate SG-1 today.

    Chevron seven locked.

    One of my favourite shows of all time - I'm there.
    All based on true stories, according to Leon, Obama said so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,156

    The only good news, if any, in this comes from my friends brother in law. He’s a police detective who works on these cases. The good news? Many, many of these sick fuckers are terminally stupid and computer illiterate, so catching them and finding evidence is trivial.
    With between 710 000 and 840 000 expressing sexual interest in children, it is still only the tip of the iceberg.

    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/threats-2025/nsa-csa-2025

    So around 1% of the population, or as most are men close to 1 in 50 men. So pretty much one on every street. No wonder Epstein found so many like minds.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,432

    kle4 said:

    The 7 Kent county councillors who got kicked out of Reform in the great Medway schism have joined Restore

    So Reform kicks outs their most troublesome members and replaces them with unreliable, but more mainstream, Tories - probably a net win in terms of appealing widely?
    Except, how long before the first Reform Tory retread wanders off to Restore?
    Dorries, Gullis, Berry. Never mind the quality, feel the width
    Yes, they're thick.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620
    HYUFD said:

    The Tony Blair story on C4 now

    They should do a follow up on David Cameron called Tony Blair's Tory.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769
    HYUFD said:

    The Tony Blair story on C4 now

    Wow.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769

    HYUFD said:

    The Tony Blair story on C4 now

    They should do a follow up on David Cameron called Tony Blair's Tory.
    Blair Bitch 2?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,098

    HYUFD said:

    The Tony Blair story on C4 now

    Wow.
    You can watch it from the start on C4+1
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,023

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    HYFUD. Stop it. BGW has explained. He’s the Cod father. You have no Plaice in this argument. It’s shellfish for you to continue. If you keep Carping on to knock BGW off his Perch then your Sole argument becomes no more than a red Herring. Bass-ically your arguments are small Fry so don’t get so Puff-ed up.
    Some turbot-charged fish punning there...
    He was only asking him to be an Angel, and Cuttle it out.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,191
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    I expect it will be a bloodbath for both Tories and Labour.
    But the results in a handful of London Boroughs where journalists live will be the headline whatever happens.

    Tories will gain Westminster and Barnet and hold Kensington and Chelsea I expect, Kemi may not do well with common people like you compared to Nige but she is rather popular with very posh rich people
    She is very popular with my wife who is sick of the mans club in politics and my wife is neither posh or rich but is the salt of the earth
    In your neck of the woods BigG I suspect even your dear lady is relatively posh and rich
    My wife comes from a Scottish fishing community over generations, and you cannot get further from posh or rich as they laboured hard and honestly founded in their faith to protect their men at sea

    Indeed my late father in law, a successful Scots fisherman awarded a BEM by late King George did not want to accept it, but his mp said you would insult the King to which he responded 'I wouldnt want to insult any man' and went to the Palace

    My father in law compared fishing to mining both of which had dangers but he admired miners for going underground into danger

    How many of your neighbours fathers received a BEM from King George? In North Wales you are both relatively posh now
    You miss the point as always

    My father in law and his brothers spent their working lives at sea and they went to Ireland with their boats and helped the Irish fishermen to adopt successful new fishing practices and that was why he received his award

    He was not posh and you insult fishermen and their communities by even suggesting it

    And as an aside none of them or me went to university but they learnt life lessons the hard way and remain ordinary honest citizens
    90% of people never went to uni then and I expect most of your neighbours don't have the rather ample ex senior police officer's pension you have
    What senior officer police pension ?

    After 6 months in Edinburgh City Police my father, mother , sister , wife and I came to Llandudno and took over a very busy newsagents and grocers

    So you became a business owner not a member of the proletariat
    The Marxist dialectic is strong in this one.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,023
    edited February 17

    Barnesian said:

    I've just watched Small Prophets on BBC iPlayer. Very weird and wonderful. Highly recommend.

    I note that it teased more with a to be continued. In some ways, yes, I’d love more. But in others irs almost a perfect package. Hope series two doesn’t drop off.
    I hope they stop there. It was a perfect ending.

    When Casey first shouted at The King, he put his tail in his mouth. It was full of little touches like that.

    Oh. And “do you sell buckets?”

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU3Tc78D_vn/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,043

    Has anyone, anywhere before today ever said 'Happy Shrove Tuesday'?

    I doubt the Tweet crossed his desk.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,356
    Is this the first time it's been Shrove Tuesday, Ramadan and Chinese New Year all on the same day?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620
    Smart politics from Badenoch:

    https://x.com/hoffman_noa/status/2023874848016265674

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch is mulling a plan to ease the student debt crisis crippling millions.

    The Tory leader is looking at help for graduates on controversial plan 2 student loans.

    The Sun understands Ms Badenoch wants to seize the issue as a vote-winner while rivals avoid it.

    A Tory source said: "This is about who we stand for as Conservatives under Kemi. Labour are spending more & more on benefits for people to sit at home on their backside, while punishing people in work who want to get on. That it isn’t fair and we need a proper plan to sort it.”
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,043

    Smart politics from Badenoch:

    https://x.com/hoffman_noa/status/2023874848016265674

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch is mulling a plan to ease the student debt crisis crippling millions.

    The Tory leader is looking at help for graduates on controversial plan 2 student loans.

    The Sun understands Ms Badenoch wants to seize the issue as a vote-winner while rivals avoid it.

    A Tory source said: "This is about who we stand for as Conservatives under Kemi. Labour are spending more & more on benefits for people to sit at home on their backside, while punishing people in work who want to get on. That it isn’t fair and we need a proper plan to sort it.”

    Good issue for her.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,023

    Smart politics from Badenoch:

    https://x.com/hoffman_noa/status/2023874848016265674

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch is mulling a plan to ease the student debt crisis crippling millions.

    The Tory leader is looking at help for graduates on controversial plan 2 student loans.

    The Sun understands Ms Badenoch wants to seize the issue as a vote-winner while rivals avoid it.

    A Tory source said: "This is about who we stand for as Conservatives under Kemi. Labour are spending more & more on benefits for people to sit at home on their backside, while punishing people in work who want to get on. That it isn’t fair and we need a proper plan to sort it.”

    So what’s the plan?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,620

    Smart politics from Badenoch:

    https://x.com/hoffman_noa/status/2023874848016265674

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch is mulling a plan to ease the student debt crisis crippling millions.

    The Tory leader is looking at help for graduates on controversial plan 2 student loans.

    The Sun understands Ms Badenoch wants to seize the issue as a vote-winner while rivals avoid it.

    A Tory source said: "This is about who we stand for as Conservatives under Kemi. Labour are spending more & more on benefits for people to sit at home on their backside, while punishing people in work who want to get on. That it isn’t fair and we need a proper plan to sort it.”

    So what’s the plan?
    More details not here:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/38255041/kemi-badenoch-student-debt-crisis-plans/
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,769
    dixiedean said:

    Is this the first time it's been Shrove Tuesday, Ramadan and Chinese New Year all on the same day?

    Ramadan tomorrow. Innit bruv.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971
    dixiedean said:

    Is this the first time it's been Shrove Tuesday, Ramadan and Chinese New Year all on the same day?

    Ramadan has been called for tomorrow in Saudi and UAE.

    So no.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,971

    Smart politics from Badenoch:

    https://x.com/hoffman_noa/status/2023874848016265674

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch is mulling a plan to ease the student debt crisis crippling millions.

    The Tory leader is looking at help for graduates on controversial plan 2 student loans.

    The Sun understands Ms Badenoch wants to seize the issue as a vote-winner while rivals avoid it.

    A Tory source said: "This is about who we stand for as Conservatives under Kemi. Labour are spending more & more on benefits for people to sit at home on their backside, while punishing people in work who want to get on. That it isn’t fair and we need a proper plan to sort it.”

    So what’s the plan?
    Help the strivers.

    No-one else is.
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