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  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    tpfkar said:

    I mean what is Kemi going to choose to ask at PMQs. It's like an all-you-can-eat buffet.

    Oh for the days when Jeremy Corbyn would have decided this was the week to lead PMQs with a zinger on rural bus services.
    She's had all you can eat buffets a few times including 2 weeks ago and totally fecked it up.

  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,712
    edited February 9
    FPT: Sure, Scotland should get to see an NFL game. After all, the Seahawks coach is Mike Macdonald, and the Seahawks quarterback San Darnold has red hair -- and a red beard.

    And, tolerant fellow that I am, I think London should have a minor league baseball team.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    This is not the end . Its not even the beginning of the end it is the end of the beginning..
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394

    @timoconnorbl.bsky.social‬

    Sarwar putting in a solid effort to make Gregor Townsend not the most isolated Scottish managerial figure this week.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,004
    edited February 9
    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    Did vanilla just update again?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Tell it to his face if you are brave enough
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,924
    Starmer might gain a few points if he could fire Sarwar .

    A public humiliation and calling him out for being a back stabbing Judas . Unfortunately he can’t fire him which would have at least provided some more entertainment!
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,379

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Undoubtedly they did.

    The opportunity for any of them to say NO

    If two or three say No he's utter toast

    Why did no one jump

    Perfect opportunity

    Back me or sack me

    They undoubtedly for now back him.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,925

    MaxPB said:

    I actually hadn't realised but Labour got fewer votes (9.7m) in 2024 than they did in 2019 (10.3m), it's pretty shocking how poorly they did in the end, a weak and divided opponent meant they waltzed in without actually winning a real mandate. It's the true source of all their indecision and inaction, no one actually voted for them. I mean more actual people voted for Jez in 2019 let alone getting anywhere near the 12.9m Jez got in 2017 or the 14m that voted for Boris in 2019.

    A much under appreciated point. Horse, once of this parish, used to bang on about how brilliant McSweeny's campaign had been. I don't see it myself. A steaming pile of horse shit would have beaten the Tories in 2014. That lack of a resounding win, coupled to the lack of any ideas of how to make Britain better, other than by not being Tories, is why we are where we are.
    Absolutely. McSweeney's "brilliant" campaign during the election period itself managed to reduce Labour from polling 45% at the dissolution to 34.7% on election day, essentially by avoiding saying anything of substance. That despite being up against the most enfeebled PM since at least 1997. The shortcoming in the polling itself accounts for only a small part of that difference.
  • kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    He’s having a tough day. This Labour govt are proving just as useless and scheming as the one it replaced. It’s must be hard to cope no matter the spinning and attacking Badenoch and Patel. 😂😂

    Here’s the times of the totally un co-ordinated statements of support from cabinet colleagues.

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2020882607202820163?s=61
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,446
    nico67 said:

    Starmer might gain a few points if he could fire Sarwar .

    A public humiliation and calling him out for being a back stabbing Judas . Unfortunately he can’t fire him which would have at least provided some more entertainment!

    He could abolish the Scottish Labour Party and say it's time to come together as One Britain.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    If course they are

    The rat pack

    Most of them vermin

    They'll be going hungry for a while yet

    Sarwar gave the Cabinet and others a chance to strike.

    No one has

    No one

    I want just one of these pricks to name their source.

    They can't
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,838
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Yes it’s possible both to have a serious dislike for the media, and also a serious dislike for the politicians they cover.

    Here’s Sky News getting a well-earned community note for their coverage of the Japanese election yesterday.
    https://x.com/skynews/status/2020457157578133939
  • Brixian59 said:

    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    If course they are

    The rat pack

    Most of them vermin

    They'll be going hungry for a while yet

    Sarwar gave the Cabinet and others a chance to strike.

    No one has

    No one

    I want just one of these pricks to name their source.

    They can't
    You need to calm down
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,004

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
    I don't cry

    I fight back
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,874
    edited February 9
    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    Well, no shit Sherlock, right? Any sensible minister would probably like to keep a low profile rather than nail their trousers to the mast. So they have to be instructed to come out in support - forced to make a decision.

    The fact that Starmer can still command this is telling though.

    ETA: I mean, largely, that he had the confidence to demand it. Obviously if he asked and they refused then he's toast.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Brixian59 said:

    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    If course they are

    The rat pack

    Most of them vermin

    They'll be going hungry for a while yet

    Sarwar gave the Cabinet and others a chance to strike.

    No one has

    No one

    I want just one of these pricks to name their source.

    They can't
    You need to calm down
    I'm only just getting warmed up.

    Lots of gears yet
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
    Something like 55% 35% 9%?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    Angela4leader

    Labour, your core vote strategy was coming. Rayner will be an awful leader. She will make Starmer seem a political titan. She was ready, but a little early according to Pippa.

    ‘ EXCL: An website claiming to launch Angela Rayner’s Labour leadership campaign was published temporarily last month, prompting further speculation the former deputy PM is gearing up for contest to replace Keir Starmer.’

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2020883603958198394?s=61
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
    Something like 55% 35% 9%?
    Thanks
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
    I don't cry

    I fight back
    I’m sure Dan Hodges is shitting himself.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    nico67 said:

    Starmer might gain a few points if he could fire Sarwar .

    A public humiliation and calling him out for being a back stabbing Judas . Unfortunately he can’t fire him which would have at least provided some more entertainment!

    He could abolish the Scottish Labour Party and say it's time to come together as One Britain.
    I believe the Scottish Labour Party will do that for him.

    There may be a Vonc in Sarwar before Starmar(sic)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,004
    edited February 9

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Which you'd expect. Chalk one up for number 10. Haven't said that too often in recent times.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
    Something like 55% 35% 9%?
    Divide 1 by the number quoted @Big_G_NorthWales

    So for Labour 1/10 = 0.1 = 10%. For Reform 1/2.8 = 0.357 = 35.7% etc.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,544

    What's next?
    1. Labour are fucked in Scotland. Had Sarwar led the movement to oust Starmer he would have been in a fantastic position going into the election. Instead, he's fucked and the party's fucked. How on earth can any senior people come up and campaign alongside him? The jibe about branch office starts to ring true - he's in opposition to his own government kinda.

    2. Starmer will get banged into the room by the PLP tonight who will judge that even if they want him gone there is no mechanism to do so with the cabinet corralled into alignment. He's either safe until after May, or something totally abhorrent will surface. In which case he goes but anyone looking to take over from him is similarly tainted now. No "we didn't know" because you did

    3. Like the cabinet assembled by Donitz, they will back him and he will have no power to actually deliver policy. The Flensburg government actually put forward plans for the reconstruction of a post-Hitler Nazi Germany, until one sunny morning a knock at the door and they were all arrested.

    Starmer is Donitz.

    Sarwar is a donut.
    Doughnut.
    Scottish Labor want to bring NFL to Scotland and believe we should be using Trump's Scottish connections to strengthen our relationship with him. They're donut people all the way.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    He’s having a tough day. This Labour govt are proving just as useless and scheming as the one it replaced. It’s must be hard to cope no matter the spinning and attacking Badenoch and Patel. 😂😂

    Here’s the times of the totally un co-ordinated statements of support from cabinet colleagues.

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2020882607202820163?s=61
    When the going get tough
    The tough get going
    We keep right on to the end of the road


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    Why would that be a surprise to anyone ?
    Starmer really would be finished if No10 couldn't coordinate a display of ministerial support.

    I don't understand why reporting it would be a gotcha, unless the effort failed.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,493

    Labour 4th in Wales and Scotland would be the icing now

    It’s disappointing that there are so few Scottish and Welsh opinion polls. We could do with some in the next couple of weeks.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Which you'd expect. Chalk one up for number 10. Haven't said that too often in recent times.
    New comms team already done more in a few hours than old one in months
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    edited February 9
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    He’s having a tough day. This Labour govt are proving just as useless and scheming as the one it replaced. It’s must be hard to cope no matter the spinning and attacking Badenoch and Patel. 😂😂

    Here’s the times of the totally un co-ordinated statements of support from cabinet colleagues.

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2020882607202820163?s=61
    When the going get tough
    The tough get going
    We keep right on to the end of the road


    Most people here are fine, chat politics, no side to them. There’s something quite creepy about you and your continual making of personal references. I don’t know anyone else who’d stalk peoples posts to throw stuff at them and you’ve not been here a week.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
    I don't cry

    I fight back
    I’m sure Dan Hodges is shitting himself.
    He's full of it
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,544
    Presume Sarwar will be home kicking the cat rather than attending.

    Paul Hutcheon
    @paulhutcheon
    Tonight's meeting with Scottish Labour MPs and MSPs at Downing Street will be outstanding.

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/2020886550976860287?s=20
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,552
    edited February 9

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
    It's been ages since I could do this in my head @Big_G_NorthWales , but here goes (apologies if wrong). If we assume the quoted odds are decimal odds, then the calculation is:
    • GRN = 1.8 decimal odds -> 1/(1.8) = 0.556 probability = 55.6% percentage probability
    If we do the same calculation for REF and LAB we get
    • GRN = 55.6% percentage probability
    • REF = 35.7%
    • LAB = 10%
    See https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html for an online converter. Also note that betting odds when added up always exceed 100%. This is known as the "overround" ("vigorish" if you're the Mafia) and enables bookes to earn money.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,493

    nico67 said:

    Starmer might gain a few points if he could fire Sarwar .

    A public humiliation and calling him out for being a back stabbing Judas . Unfortunately he can’t fire him which would have at least provided some more entertainment!

    He could abolish the Scottish Labour Party and say it's time to come together as One Britain.
    There isn’t a Scottish Labour Party. HYUFD is right (wash your mouth out Fairliered). They are only a branch office. There is no Scottish Labour Party registered as a political party.
  • Brixian = inverse HYUFD
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,838

    What's next?
    1. Labour are fucked in Scotland. Had Sarwar led the movement to oust Starmer he would have been in a fantastic position going into the election. Instead, he's fucked and the party's fucked. How on earth can any senior people come up and campaign alongside him? The jibe about branch office starts to ring true - he's in opposition to his own government kinda.

    2. Starmer will get banged into the room by the PLP tonight who will judge that even if they want him gone there is no mechanism to do so with the cabinet corralled into alignment. He's either safe until after May, or something totally abhorrent will surface. In which case he goes but anyone looking to take over from him is similarly tainted now. No "we didn't know" because you did

    3. Like the cabinet assembled by Donitz, they will back him and he will have no power to actually deliver policy. The Flensburg government actually put forward plans for the reconstruction of a post-Hitler Nazi Germany, until one sunny morning a knock at the door and they were all arrested.

    Starmer is Donitz.

    Sarwar is a donut.
    Doughnut.
    Scottish Labor want to bring NFL to Scotland and believe we should be using Trump's Scottish connections to strengthen our relationship with him. They're donut people all the way.
    Oh no, not tens of thousands of high-spending inbound tourists coming to watch a sporting event.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Presume Sarwar will be home kicking the cat rather than attending.

    Paul Hutcheon
    @paulhutcheon
    Tonight's meeting with Scottish Labour MPs and MSPs at Downing Street will be outstanding.

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/2020886550976860287?s=20

    Be interesting to see if they have the balls to reverse on Sarwar.

    Vote of No Confidence

    That will shut curry boy Hodges up
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    I'm quite enjoying @Brixian59 's efforts.

    Starmer is a severe disappointment as PM, and quite possibly a (politically) dead man walking, but I hesitate to ridicule the loyalists.
    It's not wildly different from HYUFD in full flow, and I still feel twinges of remorse for the times we all ganged up on him.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    He’s having a tough day. This Labour govt are proving just as useless and scheming as the one it replaced. It’s must be hard to cope no matter the spinning and attacking Badenoch and Patel. 😂😂

    Here’s the times of the totally un co-ordinated statements of support from cabinet colleagues.

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2020882607202820163?s=61
    When the going get tough
    The tough get going
    We keep right on to the end of the road


    Most people here are fine, chat politics, no side to them. There’s something quite creepy about you and your continual making of personal references. I don’t know anyone else who’d stalk peoples posts to throw stuff at them and you’ve not been here a week.
    Bizarre...

    Can't handle banter

    Me smells a viler
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    SNAP
  • Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
    I don't cry

    I fight back
    I’m sure Dan Hodges is shitting himself.
    He's full of it
    I try to avoid picking on individual journalists. As I said they’ve got to feed the machine and earn their living. So inevitably you get hyperbole, going early and overstatement of sources. That’s fine. But I do tend to think Hodges is often at the more extreme end of that scale. Mind these things go up and down - Peston, Kuensberg and various others have all occupied that position at times.

    Can’t help but think Journalism by twitter and 24 hour news has not improved the insight provided by the fourth estate.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,678
    Been here before; first wholesale row that I recall was Suez in 1956, which ended with the PM's defenestration; not however the Government's, which (sadly for me) went on to increase it's majority three years later.

    I really think too many people here have severely twisted knickers, and that in a week or two (at most) most if not all of this will be over. Yes, there will be casualties, and in some cases they'll deserve it; Mandelson is the most obvious example. Morgan McSweeny will have quietly found another means of earning a living and Parliament will have moved on to something else.

    If anything should come out of this it should be that wealthy and/or privileged people should find it very much more difficult to traffic attractive young females around the globe.
    But since that's being going on since time immemorial I doubt we'll make many improvements there.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    SKS has lost Piers Morgan

    ‘ Keir, you’re a good man.
    A decent man.
    An Arsenal fan (always a good test of a man).
    When you did Life Stories, I found your remarkable journey to the top of British politics very inspiring.
    But this can’t go on.
    For the good of the country, resign. @Keir_Starmer’

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/2020777153156022581?s=61
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Which you'd expect. Chalk one up for number 10. Haven't said that too often in recent times.
    New comms team already done more in a few hours than old one in months
    Just as fucking useless
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    He’s having a tough day. This Labour govt are proving just as useless and scheming as the one it replaced. It’s must be hard to cope no matter the spinning and attacking Badenoch and Patel. 😂😂

    Here’s the times of the totally un co-ordinated statements of support from cabinet colleagues.

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2020882607202820163?s=61
    When the going get tough
    The tough get going
    We keep right on to the end of the road


    Most people here are fine, chat politics, no side to them. There’s something quite creepy about you and your continual making of personal references. I don’t know anyone else who’d stalk peoples posts to throw stuff at them and you’ve not been here a week.
    Bizarre...

    Can't handle banter

    Me smells a viler
    I don’t like creepy fuckers who trawls my posts to throw stuff at me. Banter with people I have a rapport with is fine. Why would I want to have banter with you 🥱
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,418
    Looks like the coup has gone off half-cocked.

    Not for the first time with Labour.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,591
    Taz said:

    SKS has lost Piers Morgan

    ‘ Keir, you’re a good man.
    A decent man.
    An Arsenal fan (always a good test of a man).
    When you did Life Stories, I found your remarkable journey to the top of British politics very inspiring.
    But this can’t go on.
    For the good of the country, resign. @Keir_Starmer’

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/2020777153156022581?s=61

    BiB - it was true of the previous Labour leader!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    Its a pity Martin Day isn't here He would have loved it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    .

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    When it was working against your opponents your party and your sort loved it. Putting the boot in.

    You helped create the monster.

    Labour expected a sycophantic press when they came in, they got scrutiny instead. They have been pitiful so far. Continuity Sunak.

    So as for the media and how it treats politicians. Suck it up sunshine.
    Oh well suck it up

    Fight the Tory media and prove them wrong.

    We'll start with parasites like Dan Hodges
    Cry harder.
    I don't cry

    I fight back
    I’m sure Dan Hodges is shitting himself.
    He's full of it
    I try to avoid picking on individual journalists. As I said they’ve got to feed the machine and earn their living. So inevitably you get hyperbole, going early and overstatement of sources. That’s fine. But I do tend to think Hodges is often at the more extreme end of that scale. Mind these things go up and down - Peston, Kuensberg and various others have all occupied that position at times.

    Can’t help but think Journalism by twitter and 24 hour news has not improved the insight provided by the fourth estate.
    it's not entirely unfair to have a go at Hodges, given he was a public fan of the Mandelson appointment at the time.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14215417/DAN-HODGES-Ruthless-cynical-cunning-Mandy-perfect-choice-ambassador.html
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Taz said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    At least HYUFD is courteous. There isn’t an unpleasant undertone to how he posts. He seems a nice guy,
    Taz said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    At least HYUFD is courteous. There isn’t an unpleasant undertone to how he posts. He seems a nice guy,
    I do not mean to insult you. I don't believe I have insulted you.

    For those who haven't got a sciobybdoo what you are talking about, you seem offended that I support the same football team as you and make reference to it.

    You a few days ago referred to one game, I replied now you accuse me of some sort of stalking.

    That to me is utterly bizarre

    I will in future ignore everything you say and not respond

    Thats fair enough

    There should be room for more than one in the village.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,418
    They haven't hung together, so Sarwar is being hung out to dry.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,678
    Taz said:

    SKS has lost Piers Morgan

    ‘ Keir, you’re a good man.
    A decent man.
    An Arsenal fan (always a good test of a man).
    When you did Life Stories, I found your remarkable journey to the top of British politics very inspiring.
    But this can’t go on.
    For the good of the country, resign. @Keir_Starmer’

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/2020777153156022581?s=61

    Well, Piers Morgan isn't someone I'd place a lot of reliance on for a well-judged opinion.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,786
    edited February 9
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    Er, you’re new here, so we will forgive you

    But be in no doubt, we LIVE for days like this, on PB. Days like this are what make the boring days bearable, the days when we get up and the biggest news is a narrow Lib Dem council by election loss in Ebbw Vale (south)

    Every so often we get a UK general election, a US prez election, or a UK leader putsch. And in that order those are the things that turn us on, here in the snug at Ye Olde PB Arms

    Personally I find the boring days delightfully bearable. The days when we argue about which county had the best flag or lament the declining quality of supermarket tannoy announcements or get stuck yet again in the (Trains U Sex) bit of the Venn diagram. Vignettes on architecture, urban planning, cricket. Incredibly precise points of detail on the English language.

    ISTR my first foray BTL was on the subject of cheese.

    OTOH, until this afternoon I was unaware of that quote from Macbeth. I've been to Birnam Wood. Once you got away from the railway line it felt like something from fantasy; deer frolicking away from you, birds of prey circling. I had no idea it was in Shakespeare but it seems apt.
    The old Birnam wood is mostly gone with only a few trees remaining. There's a big oak by the river but I don't think it is quite old enough (despite the usual stories). The forests there now are mostly recent, with the larches being some of the earliest non-native plantations in the UK (they were seeded from below with a cannon!).

    Dunsinane is a nice volcanic hill in the Sidlaws about 10 miles away with what appears to be an iron age fort on top. I've climbed up it a few times myself. I'm not sure if the date is right for Macbeth but there was definitely something there once.

    Unfortunately Perth and Kinross council seem to have given themselves permission to quarry half of it away.

    [ https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.4700014,-3.2773376,622m ]
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,874

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    Inverse? Impossible. No one can get one over HYUFD.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    edited February 9
    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,678
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    SKS has lost Piers Morgan

    ‘ Keir, you’re a good man.
    A decent man.
    An Arsenal fan (always a good test of a man).
    When you did Life Stories, I found your remarkable journey to the top of British politics very inspiring.
    But this can’t go on.
    For the good of the country, resign. @Keir_Starmer’

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/2020777153156022581?s=61

    BiB - it was true of the previous Labour leader!
    I didn't realise Corbyn was an Arsenal fan.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,874
    Sandpit said:

    What's next?
    1. Labour are fucked in Scotland. Had Sarwar led the movement to oust Starmer he would have been in a fantastic position going into the election. Instead, he's fucked and the party's fucked. How on earth can any senior people come up and campaign alongside him? The jibe about branch office starts to ring true - he's in opposition to his own government kinda.

    2. Starmer will get banged into the room by the PLP tonight who will judge that even if they want him gone there is no mechanism to do so with the cabinet corralled into alignment. He's either safe until after May, or something totally abhorrent will surface. In which case he goes but anyone looking to take over from him is similarly tainted now. No "we didn't know" because you did

    3. Like the cabinet assembled by Donitz, they will back him and he will have no power to actually deliver policy. The Flensburg government actually put forward plans for the reconstruction of a post-Hitler Nazi Germany, until one sunny morning a knock at the door and they were all arrested.

    Starmer is Donitz.

    Sarwar is a donut.
    Doughnut.
    Scottish Labor want to bring NFL to Scotland and believe we should be using Trump's Scottish connections to strengthen our relationship with him. They're donut people all the way.
    Oh no, not tens of thousands of high-spending inbound tourists coming to watch a sporting event.
    To steal from Father Ted, "I hear you're a SLab supporter now, Sandpit!" These are strange times indeed.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171
    Much banging of desks tonight as the quiet man turns up the volume
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,644
    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    {checks the level on the barrel of cask strength turnip juice}

    Nope, he hasn’t got to @malcolmg ’s stuff.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,004
    Taz said:

    SKS has lost Piers Morgan

    ‘ Keir, you’re a good man.
    A decent man.
    An Arsenal fan (always a good test of a man).
    When you did Life Stories, I found your remarkable journey to the top of British politics very inspiring.
    But this can’t go on.
    For the good of the country, resign. @Keir_Starmer’

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/2020777153156022581?s=61

    And if fortune smiles will be completely unable to find him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Nigelb said:

    I'm quite enjoying @Brixian59 's efforts.

    Starmer is a severe disappointment as PM, and quite possibly a (politically) dead man walking, but I hesitate to ridicule the loyalists.
    It's not wildly different from HYUFD in full flow, and I still feel twinges of remorse for the times we all ganged up on him.

    One more thing.

    @bigjohnowls now has someone real to address with his next "Keir Starmer fans please explain" post.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Selebian said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    Inverse? Impossible. No one can get one over HYUFD.
    Very good.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,418
    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Ratters said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    A bit early on a Monday for hard liquor isn't it?
    {checks the level on the barrel of cask strength turnip juice}

    Nope, he hasn’t got to @malcolmg ’s stuff.
    Cherry Moonshine
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,925
    edited February 9
    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    For the moment, it is in Rayner's interests to play for time and hope HMRC get a move on. She doesn't have a lot to gain from going early.

    However, the dam won't be able to hold after the forthcoming catastrophe in May.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Much banging of desks tonight as the quiet man turns up the volume

    I don't think Labour go in for that shit

    If he walks out with no bleeding he's done well.

    A black eye passable
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Ofcom under fire after refusing to investigate ‘misleading’ GB News Trump interview
    US president not challenged over false claims climate change is ‘hoax’ and parts of London have sharia law
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/feb/09/ofcom-investigate-gb-news-trump-interview
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,874
    Nigelb said:

    Selebian said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    Inverse? Impossible. No one can get one over HYUFD.
    Very good.
    Geeky maths jokes are the best jokes, right?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,004

    Looks like the coup has gone off half-cocked.

    Not for the first time with Labour.

    It wasn't a coup, I don't think. It was Sarwar flying solo. Objective: gain distance from an unpopular PM to try and improve Holyrood election prospects.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731
    edited February 9
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    At least HYUFD is courteous. There isn’t an unpleasant undertone to how he posts. He seems a nice guy,
    Taz said:

    Brixian = inverse HYUFD

    At least HYUFD is courteous. There isn’t an unpleasant undertone to how he posts. He seems a nice guy,
    I do not mean to insult you. I don't believe I have insulted you.

    For those who haven't got a sciobybdoo what you are talking about, you seem offended that I support the same football team as you and make reference to it.

    You a few days ago referred to one game, I replied now you accuse me of some sort of stalking.

    That to me is utterly bizarre

    I will in future ignore everything you say and not respond

    Thats fair enough

    There should be room for more than one in the village.
    I’ve never engaged with you on it. You’ve never once mentioned you are a fan. Yet you start mentioning it to me. I asked why twice and you didn’t reply. There was no attempt to banter either. Excuse me for being curious as to why. Especially when I mentioned home brew and you replied about Winson Green 🤷‍♂️ a reference to where I used to live out of the blue. Again I don’t understand that. I never said you has insulted but I find posting personal stuff back at me odd, especially when no other attempt to engage. I have also worked with morons who think crap can be brushed off as ‘banter’.

    Yes I lived in Birmingham. Gisela Stuart was my MP and a very good one she was too.

    Anyway this is all at a tangent so it’s done.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foss said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Ratters said:

    Minister briefs off record to Hodges that theyve all been instructed to tweet support
    Nooooooo, surely not

    I mean that's the game isn't it?

    Once the first shot is fired, you either need to keep shooting until the king is dead. Or you need to put your gun away and retreat back to the barracks.

    I think we need a new event to prompt any new attempt. And I don't think a by-election loss or local elections losses will be sufficient.
    Feck off Dan Hodges

    Let's call you out

    Liar.

    Proven over and over again.

    Your mother will be turning in her grave.

    This is the Daily Mail after all

    I ask any sensible person

    If youre a Labour Minister who would be the last person you'd brief.

    Come on fat boy

    Name your source

    Libel yourself
    Sam Coates at Sky has just said no 10 co-ordinated the rapid response from cabinet members in response to Sarwar
    Aubrey Allegretti from the Times is saying similar.
    If course they are

    The rat pack

    Most of them vermin

    They'll be going hungry for a while yet

    Sarwar gave the Cabinet and others a chance to strike.

    No one has

    No one

    I want just one of these pricks to name their source.

    They can't
    You need to calm down
    I'm only just getting warmed up.

    Lots of gears yet
    *gear
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,678

    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
    Are you Nigel Farage in disguise?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,644
    a
    Nigelb said:

    I'm quite enjoying @Brixian59 's efforts.

    Starmer is a severe disappointment as PM, and quite possibly a (politically) dead man walking, but I hesitate to ridicule the loyalists.
    It's not wildly different from HYUFD in full flow, and I still feel twinges of remorse for the times we all ganged up on him.

    It’s an echo of the Goode Olde Days

    When Farmer Tupac was defending Gordon Brown 24/7

    @Brixian59 is pale shadow of @tim, though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,782

    Its a pity Martin Day isn't here He would have loved it.

    And AveIt would have, well, had it!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,400
    So, after another day of hyperbolic, febrile comment here and elsewhere, the PM soldiers on, much to the disgruntlement of most of the press and PB pack. He emerges from today marginally strengthened, I reckon, as the unanimous support from his Cabinet (and Ange) couldn't realistically be rolled back until at least after the May elections.

    Signs of improved organisation, too, as whoever coordinated the Cabinet messages of support did so quickly and effectively. None of them had to tweet: they could have said no. Sarwar must be feeling a bit johnny-no-mates right now.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,925
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    If I was scripting this twisty drama I'd throw Labour unexpectedly holding G&D into the mix.

    Whats the latest betting ?
    GRN 1.8
    REF 2.8
    LAB 10
    Can you turn that to percentages as I do not bet
    It's been ages since I could do this in my head @Big_G_NorthWales , but here goes (apologies if wrong). If we assume the quoted odds are decimal odds, then the calculation is:
    • GRN = 1.8 decimal odds -> 1/(1.8) = 0.556 probability = 55.6% percentage probability
    If we do the same calculation for REF and LAB we get
    • GRN = 55.6% percentage probability
    • REF = 35.7%
    • LAB = 10%
    See https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html for an online converter. Also note that betting odds when added up always exceed 100%. This is known as the "overround" ("vigorish" if you're the Mafia) and enables bookes to earn money.
    Normally, not always, occasionally short term arbs can arise.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731

    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
    Are you Nigel Farage in disguise?
    He was supportive of lifting the two child cap.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    Interesting that Brixian59 sees today as a victory. I see it as a short delay only.

    What will Mandleson do when he starts on his revenge. He knows where the bodies are buried.

    Blair still silent.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,731

    So, after another day of hyperbolic, febrile comment here and elsewhere, the PM soldiers on, much to the disgruntlement of most of the press and PB pack. He emerges from today marginally strengthened, I reckon, as the unanimous support from his Cabinet (and Ange) couldn't realistically be rolled back until at least after the May elections.

    Signs of improved organisation, too, as whoever coordinated the Cabinet messages of support did so quickly and effectively. None of them had to tweet: they could have said no. Sarwar must be feeling a bit johnny-no-mates right now.

    Surely Sarwar wouldn’t have gone over the top if he had known he was on his Tod.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,400
    kinabalu said:

    Looks like the coup has gone off half-cocked.

    Not for the first time with Labour.

    It wasn't a coup, I don't think. It was Sarwar flying solo. Objective: gain distance from an unpopular PM to try and improve Holyrood election prospects.
    Yes, it looks like that. But I don't see how it works with a Labour government - it would only make sense if Labour were in opposition in Westminster.
    Do we have any Scottish resident Labour members to give us a view from north of the border?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207

    a

    Nigelb said:

    I'm quite enjoying @Brixian59 's efforts.

    Starmer is a severe disappointment as PM, and quite possibly a (politically) dead man walking, but I hesitate to ridicule the loyalists.
    It's not wildly different from HYUFD in full flow, and I still feel twinges of remorse for the times we all ganged up on him.

    It’s an echo of the Goode Olde Days

    When Farmer Tupac was defending Gordon Brown 24/7

    @Brixian59 is pale shadow of @tim, though.
    Give him time.
    Poor guy has only just arrived.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,560
    So no actual news today?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
    Are you Nigel Farage in disguise?
    He was supportive of lifting the two child cap.
    Er, no.
    The actual Reform policy is hedged with qualifications which would mean a 90% plus of the cap stays in place.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,722

    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
    Are you Nigel Farage in disguise?
    Nigel Farage also spends taxpayers' money on booze and fags.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,468
    Wonder what Kemi is going to say at PMQ? Make reference to the turmoil, only for it to be pointed out that Labour haven't lost any MPs to Reform? It's going to be interesting to see how both sides approach this.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,678
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Well it's not happening today if he has public statements of support from every cabinet member.

    This one from Rayner.
    The recent scandal around Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein was shocking - and demands that both this government and our party learn the lessons, and act on them.
    But the worst possible response would be to play party politics or factional games. Labour is only getting started on changing things for the better - our Employment Rights Act, renters’ rights, leasehold reform, free school meals and lifting kids out of poverty.
    I urge all my colleagues to come together, remember our values and put them into practice as a team. The Prime Minister has my full support in leading us to that end..

    "lifting kids out of poverty." = giving taxpayers' money to feckless parents to spend on booze & fags.
    Are you Nigel Farage in disguise?
    He was supportive of lifting the two child cap.
    He didn't go into the wrong lobby, did he.

    Must confess, I'm quite capable of thinking the worst of him; sometimes, perhaps unjustifiably.
  • So no actual news today?

    There is.

    Police assessing claims about Andrew sharing confidential trade details

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wl6vdgqw2o
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,560
    Taz said:

    So, after another day of hyperbolic, febrile comment here and elsewhere, the PM soldiers on, much to the disgruntlement of most of the press and PB pack. He emerges from today marginally strengthened, I reckon, as the unanimous support from his Cabinet (and Ange) couldn't realistically be rolled back until at least after the May elections.

    Signs of improved organisation, too, as whoever coordinated the Cabinet messages of support did so quickly and effectively. None of them had to tweet: they could have said no. Sarwar must be feeling a bit johnny-no-mates right now.

    Surely Sarwar wouldn’t have gone over the top if he had known he was on his Tod.
    That's obvious to anyone with the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh.

    Can anybody our Scottish experts confirm- does Anas Sarwar possess the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh?
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