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  • eekeek Posts: 32,522
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Alternatively, Sarwar can see that Labour is going to be marmalised in May in Scotland, so they have nothing more to lose and quite a lot to gain, if Skyr goes and they can get in a replacement who talks human

    Critics of Sarwar are basically saying “no, just climb out of the trench and walk towards the German machine guns. Don’t run”
    Yes, Sarwar has nothing to lose and at least a little to gain. SLAB are going to get stomped and he knows it, so this neatly deflects at least some of the blame for that.
    if Starmer survives this putsch, will he have the power to sack Sarwar? Surely Sarwar will have to go one way or another, if Starmer endures

    Either way Starmer will be gone by the end of the summer, if not the end of the day
    Sarwar is in an elected position SKS can do nothing about him
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,724
    Scott_xP said:

    @RachelReevesMP

    Rebuilding Britain takes time. But thanks to the decisions we've made NHS waiting lists are falling. Inflation is falling. Interest rates are falling. The conditions for the economy to grow are there.

    With Keir as our Prime Minister we are turning the country around.

    So the cabinet support is Reeves and Lammy - neither of whom have a future in the cabinet after this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,207
    Scott_xP said:

    @Geri_E_L_Scott

    Morgan now not expected to make a statement today, @ProducerOllie & @breeallegretti report, but three sources told The Times she held the same view as Sarwar.

    “They’re on the same page when it comes to Keir’s future,” one said.

    Act V Scene 1 ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,279

    Labour is so dysfunctional they can't even manage a denfenestration without the whole window falling out onto the viewers below.

    You’ve obviously forgotten the day when Johnson’s ministers were resigning at a faster rate than he was able to go replacing them?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470
    Nigelb said:

    If no one backs him, Sarwar will be cooked.

    An Anas on pizza.

    Not bad, as dreadful puns go!

    8/10
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 980
    Scott_xP said:

    @Geri_E_L_Scott

    Morgan now not expected to make a statement today, @ProducerOllie & @breeallegretti report, but three sources told The Times she held the same view as Sarwar.

    “They’re on the same page when it comes to Keir’s future,” one said.

    Blimey that's brave of her. Really sticking her neck out.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171

    Scott_xP said:

    @RachelReevesMP

    Rebuilding Britain takes time. But thanks to the decisions we've made NHS waiting lists are falling. Inflation is falling. Interest rates are falling. The conditions for the economy to grow are there.

    With Keir as our Prime Minister we are turning the country around.

    So the cabinet support is Reeves and Lammy - neither of whom have a future in the cabinet after this.
    And uber loyalist Reed
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,838
    Clock’s ticking, Prime Minister.

    https://x.com/conservatives/status/2020836198131122212
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,564
    Scott_xP said:

    @RachelReevesMP

    Rebuilding Britain takes time. But thanks to the decisions we've made NHS waiting lists are falling. Inflation is falling. Interest rates are falling. The conditions for the economy to grow are there.

    With Keir as our Prime Minister we are turning the country around.

    And around. And around. And around.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,445
    I suspect Starmer has put Sarwar up to this to demonstrate that Labour’s leadership could get even worse.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470
    edited 2:49PM
    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby

    Interesting: As Sarwar calls to Starmer to go, Lammy, Hermer, Reed, Reeves - and Liz Kendall to me earlier as an exclusive, which I run on
    @skynews
    soon - have all weighed in to support PM

    The only interesting one is Lammy, the rest are utterly dependant on Starmer for their positions, and would be instant toast if he leaves

    Hermer is the other Chagos Traitor
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @estwebber

    Obviously this could immediately change, but struck by comments from a former aide to Starmer.

    “What is clear is the prime minister isn’t going to just give up. That’s not him. That’s not his nature… If he thinks he’s in the right position, he will hunker down.”
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,243
    I reckon Regional Mayors will be next.

    London, Manchester, Merseyside, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire (not NE as she was a Political Appointee)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    edited 2:51PM
    Oh don’t tell me this is going to be like one of the failed Gordon Brown-era coups where the Labour Party march themselves to the top of the hill and back down again while mortally wounding their prospects.

    Actually that would be quite funny
  • Just go man.

    Somebody from the cabinet needs to tell him it’s game over.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,724
    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @hoffman_noa

    David Lammy, Rachel Reeves, Darren Jones and John Healey have all now tweeted in support of Starmer

    Any Cabinet minister who doesn't do the same very soon will be classed as on *open* manoeuvres
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,262
    We should take a moment to thank and praise Lord Mandelson.

    Without him we wouldn’t be having a day like this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,279
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby

    Interesting: As Sarwar calls to Starmer to go, Lammy, Hermer, Reed, Reeves - and Liz Kendall to me earlier as an exclusive, which I run on
    @skynews
    soon - have all weighed in to support PM

    The only interesting one is Lammy, the rest are utterly dependant on Starmer for their positions, and would be instant toast if he leaves

    Hermer is the other Chagos Traitor
    Streeting would keep Reeves in place.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    Scott_xP said:

    @hoffman_noa

    David Lammy, Rachel Reeves, Darren Jones and John Healey have all now tweeted in support of Starmer

    Any Cabinet minister who doesn't do the same very soon will be classed as on *open* manoeuvres

    So Streeting is going to play Hezza, by the looks of it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,594

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't can he
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,262

    Oh don’t tell me this is going to be like one of the failed Gordon Brown-era coups where the Labour Party march themselves to the top of the hill and back down again while mortally wounding their prospects.

    Actually that would be quite funny

    Yup, that’s why I did the morning thread, it’s not in Labour’s nature.

    If this was the Tory Party Starmer would have gone last year.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @YvetteCooperMP

    Later this week, Keir Starmer will lead our delegation to the Munich Security Conference. At this crucial time for the world, we need his leadership not just at home but on the global stage, and we need to keep our focus where it matters, on keeping our country safe.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,564
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby

    Interesting: As Sarwar calls to Starmer to go, Lammy, Hermer, Reed, Reeves - and Liz Kendall to me earlier as an exclusive, which I run on
    @skynews
    soon - have all weighed in to support PM

    The only interesting one is Lammy, the rest are utterly dependant on Starmer for their positions, and would be instant toast if he leaves

    Hermer is the other Chagos Traitor
    Streeting would keep Reeves in place.
    Depends on how he builds his coalition. If, say, Ed was supporting him the price may well be CoE. Reeves has absolutely no coattails or standing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,262
    Anyhoo, the big news of the day (that I mentioned that was going to break soon.)

    Rozzers investigating Randy Andy for trade deals leak.

    This would be the trial of the century.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wl6vdgqw2o
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470

    Oh don’t tell me this is going to be like one of the failed Gordon Brown-era coups where the Labour Party march themselves to the top of the hill and back down again while mortally wounding their prospects.

    Actually that would be quite funny

    There are echoes. But this is much worse for Labour

    Brown was a hapless PM but nonetheless a serious politician with a good political brain and some proper achievements. So Brown surviving was not catastrophic for the Labour government, and indeed Brown put up a decent showing in GE 2010, and almost connived his way back into power

    Starmer is a wretched dwarf in comparison, he is sucking the life out of Labour, and if he clings on it will only get worse for HMG and the Labour Party. Starmer is not going to suddenly turn things around
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't can he
    He'd be wise to wait for Scots to sack Sarwar

    24 hours should sufficed not
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,564

    Just go man.

    Somebody from the cabinet needs to tell him it’s game over.

    Let's face it, if Starmer had anyone in his cabinet with the weight and judgment of a Ken Clarke he probably wouldn't be in this mess.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby

    Interesting: As Sarwar calls to Starmer to go, Lammy, Hermer, Reed, Reeves - and Liz Kendall to me earlier as an exclusive, which I run on
    @skynews
    soon - have all weighed in to support PM

    The only interesting one is Lammy, the rest are utterly dependant on Starmer for their positions, and would be instant toast if he leaves

    Hermer is the other Chagos Traitor
    Healey is not a yes man
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,594
    Brixian59 said:

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't can he
    He'd be wise to wait for Scots to sack Sarwar

    24 hours should sufficed not
    He cannot sack the Holyrood labour leader
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272

    Oh don’t tell me this is going to be like one of the failed Gordon Brown-era coups where the Labour Party march themselves to the top of the hill and back down again while mortally wounding their prospects.

    Actually that would be quite funny

    BREAKING: Hazel Blears seen wearing ‘rocking the boat’ brooch
    Nandy is a key one

    Starmer has moved her backward and sideways in the past despite her being a very competent minister and communicator
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,782
    IanB2 said:

    Labour is so dysfunctional they can't even manage a denfenestration without the whole window falling out onto the viewers below.

    You’ve obviously forgotten the day when Johnson’s ministers were resigning at a faster rate than he was able to go replacing them?
    For which the Tories got the biggest kicking in 200 years.

    Same will be coming to Labour then.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,262
    My advice to Labour, get rid of Starmer, don’t have a leadership contest, and make sure one of Miliband, Lammy, Streeting, Healey, or Ange gets coronated.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @JournoStephen

    Keir Starmer has been Prime Minister for 11.7 Trusses.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,564

    My advice to Labour, get rid of Starmer, don’t have a leadership contest, and make sure one of Miliband, Lammy, Streeting, Healey, or Ange gets coronated.

    Cremated surely?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470
    Scott_xP said:

    @YvetteCooperMP

    Later this week, Keir Starmer will lead our delegation to the Munich Security Conference. At this crucial time for the world, we need his leadership not just at home but on the global stage, and we need to keep our focus where it matters, on keeping our country safe.

    Do they actually believe this crap? Worse, do they actually believe we will believe their crap?

    Yes, the world is crying out for “the global leadership of Sir Curry Arson Ukrainian Male Model Free Spectacles Guy”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,838
    Governor of Belgorod, Russia:

    Putin needs to stop bombing Ukraine if they can’t provide Belgorod with sufficient air defences, because the Ukranians are bombing us back!

    https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/2020795258632642788

    Are there any tall buildings in Belgorod?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,445

    My advice to Labour, get rid of Starmer, don’t have a leadership contest, and make sure one of Miliband, Lammy, Streeting, Healey, or Ange gets coronated.

    Get Claudia Winkleman in to run a special edition of Labour Traitors.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YvetteCooperMP

    Later this week, Keir Starmer will lead our delegation to the Munich Security Conference. At this crucial time for the world, we need his leadership not just at home but on the global stage, and we need to keep our focus where it matters, on keeping our country safe.

    Do they actually believe this crap? Worse, do they actually believe we will believe their crap?

    Yes, the world is crying out for “the global leadership of Sir Curry Arson Ukrainian Male Model Free Spectacles Guy”
    Of course they don’t. But figures like Cooper and Reeves are on borrowed time anyway. They’ve not been brilliant ministers, so it’s highly likely a new PM will demote or sack them. SKS is the best bet for them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916

    Oh don’t tell me this is going to be like one of the failed Gordon Brown-era coups where the Labour Party march themselves to the top of the hill and back down again while mortally wounding their prospects.

    Actually that would be quite funny

    Yup, that’s why I did the morning thread, it’s not in Labour’s nature.

    If this was the Tory Party Starmer would have gone last year.
    Yes Labour couldn't even get rid of Corbyn when 90% of Labour MPs wanted to remove him remember!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't as his mandate comes from Scottish Labour, though if Scottish Labour are humiliated in May Starmer can now say it was due to Sarwar's disloyalty to him
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,252
    Is there live footage of the blood seeping from Anas Sarwar's shoes?
    Suspect this means I've gone too low on SNP seats.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,872
    This volley of supportive tweets is a poor attempt to demonstrate a united front.

    It is so obviously orchestrated , so obviously scripted

    It is no way sincere, no way credible

    Someone wrote those tweets for them and told them to post them

    That isn't government. It isn't good party management
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    edited 3:04PM

    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Ok, to get my full Godwin quota in for today, Sarwar may be von Stauffenberg.
    Wasn't Von Stauffenberg shot by firing squad on the orders of the German leader after his failed coup attempt?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,872
    HYUFD said:

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't as his mandate comes from Scottish Labour, though if Scottish Labour are humiliated in May Starmer can now say it was due to Sarwar's disloyalty to him
    Starmer won't have any position from which to make such a statement
  • HYUFD said:

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't as his mandate comes from Scottish Labour, though if Scottish Labour are humiliated in May Starmer can now say it was due to Sarwar's disloyalty to him
    Scottish Labour isn't a separate entity, so Starmer can have Sarwar kicked out of the party. It would be a very 'brave' move, but desperate people do desperate things.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,594
    Wes Streeting backs Starmer
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,468

    My advice to Labour, get rid of Starmer, don’t have a leadership contest, and make sure one of Miliband, Lammy, Streeting, Healey, or Ange gets coronated.

    Miliband you say.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    We will, but only until politicians wake up and realise that change isn’t a buzzword and they need meaningful policies to attract loyal defenders. Starmer’s Labour is proving to be a house of cards. Johnson’s Tories were much the same.

    Characters like Thatcher, Blair, Cameron are divisive but they had a plan of what they wanted to do with power and they had a gang of fellow travellers keen to help them achieve their aims (in Cameron’s case he was helped by the chance meeting of minds with Clegg).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @alexwickham

    Cabinet ministers publicly backing Starmer:

    Rachel Reeves
    David Lammy
    Yvette Cooper
    John Healey
    Darren Jones
    Peter Kyle
    Heidi Alexander
    Steve Reed
    Nick Thomas-Symonds
    Richard Hermer
    Jo Stevens
    Douglas Alexander

    Notably not yet:

    Wes Streeting
    Ed Miliband
    Shabana Mahmood
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470
    edited 3:08PM
    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    Er, you’re new here, so we will forgive you

    But be in no doubt, we LIVE for days like this, on PB. Days like this are what make the boring days bearable, the days when we get up and the biggest news is a narrow Lib Dem council by election loss in Ebbw Vale (south)

    Every so often we get a UK general election, a US prez election, or a UK leader putsch. And in that order those are the things that turn us on, here in the snug at Ye Olde PB Arms

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916

    HYUFD said:

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't as his mandate comes from Scottish Labour, though if Scottish Labour are humiliated in May Starmer can now say it was due to Sarwar's disloyalty to him
    Starmer won't have any position from which to make such a statement
    As more and more Cabinet ministers tweet their support for Starmer or refuse to call for him to go it is once again another sign of how utterly useless Labour are at coups? Even Liz Truss would have stayed PM had she been leader of the Labour Party not the Tories!

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,544
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Ok, to get my full Godwin quota in for today, Sarwar may be von Stauffenberg.
    Wasn't Von Stauffenberg shot by firing squad on the orders of the German leader after his failed coup attempt?
    Exactly!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,343
    The corpse staggers on
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    edited 3:10PM

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    So Cooper, Lammy, Starmer and Reeves have now all openly backed keeping SKS as PM, move along, nothing to see here as I said earlier.

    Peppa Pig is more ruthless than the average Labour Cabinet Minister and MP
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171
    edited 3:10PM
    Has Miliband got the 81??
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,724
    Sarwar = Purnell
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,550

    ...coronated.

    CROWNED!

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,262
    viewcode said:

    ...coronated.

    CROWNED!

    Coronated is acceptable.

    We’ve been through this before.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    Ed Miliband backs Starmer too '@Ed_Miliband
    Keir has earned the right to deliver the change he has promised and do what he cares about - which is to serve the country.

    This is not the time for the government to turn inwards on itself. We must focus on delivering the change we promised the country.'
    https://x.com/Ed_Miliband/status/2020877858227249323?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,394
    @jessicaelgot

    Becoming pretty clear that Anas Sarwar's move today was not co-ordinated - or if it was then it is not gaining the momentum that it should.

    "Does Anas seriously believe that this intervention is going to make him FM?" Another calls it "soulless careerism."

    @KevinASchofield

    Getting 2009 James Purnell vibes about Anas Sarwar going over the top ...
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 53

    Has Miliband got the 81??

    They can't be that stupid, can they?

    Can they?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916

    Has Miliband got the 81??

    Miliband has just pledged his loyalty to SKS
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171

    Has Miliband got the 81??

    Nope!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,594
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    So Cooper, Lammy, Starmer and Reeves have now all openly backed keeping SKS as PM, move along, nothing to see here as I said earlier.

    Peppa Pig is more ruthless than the average Labour Cabinet Minister and MP
    They depend on Starmer for their jobs - no surprise
  • eekeek Posts: 32,522
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So Starmer has to sack Sarwar

    He can't as his mandate comes from Scottish Labour, though if Scottish Labour are humiliated in May Starmer can now say it was due to Sarwar's disloyalty to him
    Starmer won't have any position from which to make such a statement
    As more and more Cabinet ministers tweet their support for Starmer or refuse to call for him to go it is once again another sign of how utterly useless Labour are at coups? Even Liz Truss would have stayed PM had she been leader of the Labour Party not the Tories!

    Who takes the blame for May’s election result if you don’t have a leader to take the blame.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 937
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    More like 'he' rather than 'they'.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,262
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    It's brilliant isn't it. Another year of Starmer is gold for the Tories.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171
    edited 3:13PM
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    This is much more damaging for Labour. They are hitching their wagons to a turd
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,724
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    Yes. They’ve wounded him further but cant deliver the coup de grace. Brown all over again.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 53
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    It's brilliant isn't it. Another year of Starmer is gold for the Tories.
    Rather less good for the country, however.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    Or he is reborn

    He gets proper comms

    He gets to deliver

    He's been here before to a degree after Hartlepool

    He's a football man

    He's 3 0 down at half time, he brings in the subs and goes for it.

    There is only one person who will persuade him to quit

    Lady Victoria
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,853
    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidLammy
    ·
    2m
    Keir Starmer won a massive mandate 18 months ago, for five years to deliver on Labour’s manifesto that we all stood on.

    We should let nothing distract us from our mission to change Britain and we support the Prime Minister in doing that.

    Part of the issue with that is that it isn't really true. Only 33.7 % of those who expressed a preference voted for Labour. I suspect that is some of the problem now and add in introducing things that were not in the manifesto, and then U-turning on everything...
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,786

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    This is much more damaging for Labour. They are hitching their wagons to a turd
    A blocker, rather than a floater.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,594
    Just what on earth will the public make of all this ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,470
    edited 3:16PM
    Labour have brilliantly engineered the best possible outcome for Reform (and also Tories, SNP, everyone)

    Their dismal, clueless leader staggers on and remains in situ. Only he is now even weaker, leaking authority daily, and all his top aides have gone, and he has an open rebellion north of Hadrian’s, where he faces near certain wipe out in May

    It is truly Shakespearean, just can’t work out if it is tragedy or comedy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    '@JohnHealey_MP
    The British public gave Keir a huge mandate only 18 months ago.

    They wanted a Labour government. They want us to deliver the change we promised. They expect us to get on with the job.

    The PM has my fullest support in leading this government and this country.'
    https://x.com/JohnHealey_MP/status/2020871328681631953?s=20
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Leon said:

    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    Er, you’re new here, so we will forgive you

    But be in no doubt, we LIVE for days like this, on PB. Days like this are what make the boring days bearable, the days when we get up and the biggest news is a narrow Lib Dem council by election loss in Ebbw Vale (south)

    Every so often we get a UK general election, a US prez election, or a UK leader putsch. And in that order those are the things that turn us on, here in the snug at Ye Olde PB Arms

    Very good point very well nade

    But it doesn't take away the fact it's occurring too often
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,688
    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby

    Interesting: As Sarwar calls to Starmer to go, Lammy, Hermer, Reed, Reeves - and Liz Kendall to me earlier as an exclusive, which I run on
    @skynews
    soon - have all weighed in to support PM

    All rather Mandy Rice Davies. None of them looks likely to have a future if he goes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    It's brilliant isn't it. Another year of Starmer is gold for the Tories.
    More for Reform, though the Tories might have a chance of overtaking Labour for second now at least
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,924
    If Starmer doesn’t go now then Sarwar has just delivered an even worse result in May for Scottish Labour .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,262
    Labour really are useless at this, aren't they. Second time in a row they've fucked it. Starmer will run all the way into the election if they can't remove him on the basis of this fiasco which feels like it should have been terminal.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171
    edited 3:18PM
    Rrforms first special guest at the rally is Jeremy Kyle
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,468

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @BethRigby
    EXCLUSIVE: Spoken to Wes Streeting for Electoral Dysfunction podcast in past hour.

    Acknowledges atmosphere "febrile" but tells me "Keir Starmer doesn't need to resign"

    "It has not been the best week for the government"

    "Give Keir a chance"

    Yep, they’ve flubbed it.

    FFS, they botched the assassination

    OTOH, it means Starmer survives, but is mortally wounded and Labour will only continue to shed blood. lol
    Yes. They’ve wounded him further but cant deliver the coup de grace. Brown all over again.
    Who in Labour wants to do the hard work of winning a GE when they can knife the leader in the back? They've picked up this trait from the Conservatives but failed to change the rules to suit. Perhaps we need a new Netflix series called Succession UK
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,686
    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Without any idea of an end game? Labour was elected without any idea of their opening gambit.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,853
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Ok, to get my full Godwin quota in for today, Sarwar may be von Stauffenberg.
    Wasn't Von Stauffenberg shot by firing squad on the orders of the German leader after his failed coup attempt?
    No - he was shot on the orders of General Fromm, who was trying to save his own neck (and failing).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,853

    Just what on earth will the public make of all this ?

    Not much.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 272
    Crucial support from Hilary Benn together with Reed, Heidi Alexander and others.

    Verbal support from Streeting

    Nandy remains silent
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,171
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really are useless at this, aren't they. Second time in a row they've fucked it. Starmer will run all the way into the election if they can't remove him on the basis of this fiasco which feels like it should have been terminal.

    Backing him fully before any documentation comes out too.......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,916
    edited 3:22PM

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Did Anas stick his neck out only to get his head chopped off?

    @ConnorGillies

    💥Very senior Scottish Labour source tells me this move by Sarwar is “idiocy, immature, incoherent and self defeating. Bad for the country, playing into our opponents hands, and without any idea of an end game.”

    Moment of real peril for Labour north and south of border.
    @SkyNews

    Ok, to get my full Godwin quota in for today, Sarwar may be von Stauffenberg.
    Wasn't Von Stauffenberg shot by firing squad on the orders of the German leader after his failed coup attempt?
    No - he was shot on the orders of General Fromm, who was trying to save his own neck (and failing).
    Hitler certainly order Fromm's execution, so didn't do him much good.

    Starmer isn't quite the Fuhrer though
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,473
    Brixian59 said:

    There has to be a very uneasy feeling, when just like with Boris, Truss, Rishi and now Starmer a view that in the 24 hour media age, media drives the narrative not the elected politicians

    It didn't used to be like this.

    Will we ever see another 5 year term for any Party Leader as PM again.

    Like sports journalists bating for a goal, a wicket, a knock out, an eagle a try, they seek to make to force the agenda not report it.

    It is very frightening and getting worse.

    It will blight all party's and all politicians unless it is curbed.

    There is a fine line between free speech and anarchy

    It's not a game.

    Bunker talk
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,737
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    If Starmer goes who becomes Leader ?

    Rayner has that tax affair hanging over her . And the rest of the choices are hardly inspiring .

    The tax affair probably doesn't prevent her from become leader.
    You couldn’t risk that because she’s already struggling to repair the damage from last year . Labour can’t have a new leader who could possibly then get a penalty from the HMRC .
    A penalty from HMRC is not a criminal record. Johnson and Sunak both paid fines for criminal breaches -- Sunak twice. Yet they were Primes Ministers.
    I really like Angela Rayner but I don’t think she can become leader and then get a penalty .
    Angela's future is in the hands of one unnamed individual in HMRC who decides whether her error was understandable, careless or deliberate. It's a judgement call. If it were clear cut it would be declared by now.

    Will the political leaning of this unnamed individual colour their judgement? They can decide who is next PM and the future of this country. What a responsibility.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,522
    Barnesian said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    If Starmer goes who becomes Leader ?

    Rayner has that tax affair hanging over her . And the rest of the choices are hardly inspiring .

    The tax affair probably doesn't prevent her from become leader.
    You couldn’t risk that because she’s already struggling to repair the damage from last year . Labour can’t have a new leader who could possibly then get a penalty from the HMRC .
    A penalty from HMRC is not a criminal record. Johnson and Sunak both paid fines for criminal breaches -- Sunak twice. Yet they were Primes Ministers.
    I really like Angela Rayner but I don’t think she can become leader and then get a penalty .
    Angela's future is in the hands of one unnamed individual in HMRC who decides whether her error was understandable, careless or deliberate. It's a judgement call. If it were clear cut it would be declared by now.

    Will the political leaning of this unnamed individual colour their judgement? They can decide who is next PM and the future of this country. What a responsibility.
    Once again we have people posting about they think HMRC works without knowing how HMRC actually works.

    Reality is HMRC are just waiting for the issue to go away which it does the day Angela Rayner’s son turns 18.
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