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  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,102

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    It’s going to break the internet if Muslims vote for a party led by a gay Jew.
    There is already a meme going around social media with Katie Hopkins contemplating that with her face looking like her head is about to explode.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    edited 10:20AM
    AstraZeneca, which is headquartered in the UK, has just announced it will invest $15bn in China until 2030. The pharmaceutical company says the investment will be used to expand medicines, manufacturing and research and development.

    Come 2035 they will be complaining that they are under incredible pressure from Chinese drug companies and need UK protection....of course the UK government pissed them around all over £10 million and they pulled their £500m investment from the UK.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,221

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    He was, but he do go (temporarily, hopefully) mad about Brexit. I note that his partner didn't die because Boris turned his medication away at Dover...
    Which was a particularly weird thing to worry about because ISTR that the medication in question was actually manufactured here in the UK or generics from India for which Brexit made precisely zero difference. It just became this unarguable point for him that he used to silence other people and unsurprisingly in the rough and tumble of PB debate not everyone appreciated it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,870

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    First to go off-topic.

    UK physics research and science facilities face ‘substantial’ cuts
    Science and Technology Facilities Council seeks £162m cost savings, with existing projects facing axe

    https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-research-councils-2026-1-uk-physics-research-and-science-facilities-face-substantial-cuts/

    Does it come to this? We can’t afford a future, we are completely consumed with what we can have right now. We’re entitled. Somehow.
    This infuriates me. It is immensely short sighted. We are selling out our children's future.
    We've spent all the money, we have buried the country under debt, we have forced them to pay through the nose for a sub par education which they will be paying for for most of their working life, we have done our best to take the housing ladder away from them and now we cannot be bothered even giving them some hope for a future.

    It is typically short sighted that we haven't reflected about who will be choosing our nursing homes in due course. Or what other amendments could be made to the current bill for that matter.
    The UK was once a country with a welfare state.

    Now its a welfare state with a country.
    By (western) European standards our welfare spending is unremarkable.
    Thanks for proving my point that someone will always rush to say that some other country spends more on welfare and so the UK's welfare spending is not a problem.

    The UK spends too much on welfare.

    Most other first world countries spend too much on welfare.

    The only variants are the precise ways, the magnitudes and the speeds which those countries are damaging themselves.
    It's not 'some other country' it's several of our peers. I wouldn't disagree that it's a problem but 'welfare state with country attached' is neither fair nor illuminating.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,413

    Santander is closing a further 44 branches, putting 291 jobs at risk.

    It is the latest swathe of closures by the Spanish-owned bank which, like others on the high street, is closing bricks-and-mortar stores as customers move online.

    Last year, it announced plans to close 95, or a quarter, of its branches which had 750 workers. Lloyds Bank is also planning to shut more than 100 branches by March under a scheme of closures announced last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8415jjw92o

    Given that we still have a Lloyds and Halifax within 50 yards of each other there are still a fair number of Lloyds / Halifax / BoS branches that could be merged
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    First to go off-topic.

    UK physics research and science facilities face ‘substantial’ cuts
    Science and Technology Facilities Council seeks £162m cost savings, with existing projects facing axe

    https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-research-councils-2026-1-uk-physics-research-and-science-facilities-face-substantial-cuts/

    Does it come to this? We can’t afford a future, we are completely consumed with what we can have right now. We’re entitled. Somehow.
    This infuriates me. It is immensely short sighted. We are selling out our children's future.
    We've spent all the money, we have buried the country under debt, we have forced them to pay through the nose for a sub par education which they will be paying for for most of their working life, we have done our best to take the housing ladder away from them and now we cannot be bothered even giving them some hope for a future.

    It is typically short sighted that we haven't reflected about who will be choosing our nursing homes in due course. Or what other amendments could be made to the current bill for that matter.
    The UK was once a country with a welfare state.

    Now its a welfare state with a country.
    By (western) European standards our welfare spending is unremarkable.
    Thanks for proving my point that someone will always rush to say that some other country spends more on welfare and so the UK's welfare spending is not a problem.

    The UK spends too much on welfare.

    Most other first world countries spend too much on welfare.

    The only variants are the precise ways, the magnitudes and the speeds which those countries are damaging themselves.

    Both points are important. Comparison with comparable countries matters. It's one of the ways of measuring what is realistically possible given the historical context we are in. But our collective weaknesses should not allow overlooking our collective strengths; which include a powerfully strong work ethic and desire to get on among the great majority of all ages.

    SFAICS the only big western exception to our sort of levels of state managed expenditure is the USA. The USA has many things to emulate, but, for example, we should also ask: Is there a relation between USA welfarism generally and the fact that they have a prison population of 1,800,000.

    The USA spends even more on welfare, its difference is that much of it is obligatory individual and business spending.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,870
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    Ah well yes - village raffle for pots of homemade jam, different thing entirely.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,972
    edited 10:25AM

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    It’s going to break the internet if Muslims vote for a party led by a gay Jew.
    Is there no chance he'll stand himself? He's a Salford lad
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,849
    boulay said:

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    It’s going to break the internet if Muslims vote for a party led by a gay Jew.
    There is already a meme going around social media with Katie Hopkins contemplating that with her face looking like her head is about to explode.
    And a wag replied that the Apprentice has a lot to answer for on BOTH sides of the Atlantic.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,236
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    He was, but he do go (temporarily, hopefully) mad about Brexit. I note that his partner didn't die because Boris turned his medication away at Dover...
    Which was a particularly weird thing to worry about because ISTR that the medication in question was actually manufactured here in the UK or generics from India for which Brexit made precisely zero difference. It just became this unarguable point for him that he used to silence other people and unsurprisingly in the rough and tumble of PB debate not everyone appreciated it.
    Sometimes lawyers think technicalities work outside the courtroom. Luckily most of PB's lawyers are better than that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,960
    Roger said:

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    It’s going to break the internet if Muslims vote for a party led by a gay Jew.
    Is there no chance he'll stand himself? He's a Salford lad
    No chance, he’s made it clear it should be left to the locals and if the previous candidate wants to stand again she should stand again.

    Plus Salford isn’t Manchester.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    What is it?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,892

    Roger said:

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    It’s going to break the internet if Muslims vote for a party led by a gay Jew.
    Is there no chance he'll stand himself? He's a Salford lad
    No chance, he’s made it clear it should be left to the locals and if the previous candidate wants to stand again she should stand again.

    Plus Salford isn’t Manchester.
    If they stick ferrets down their trousers, they're northerners.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,869

    China will "actively consider" implementing unilateral visa-free entry for UK citizens, said President Xi

    There are already 48 countries who have this.

    If Kier could swing that for me I would be very grateful. Right now I have to make elaborate plans to leave for a different country than the one I arrive from so they count me as transit. Meanwhile Japanese people can just breeze in and out at will despite China being really mad at Japan over Taiwan and revoking its panda privileges.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,064
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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,695
    edited 10:32AM

    AstraZeneca, which is headquartered in the UK, has just announced it will invest $15bn in China until 2030. The pharmaceutical company says the investment will be used to expand medicines, manufacturing and research and development.

    Come 2035 they will be complaining that they are under incredible pressure from Chinese drug companies and need UK protection....of course the UK government pissed them around all over £10 million and they pulled their £500m investment from the UK.

    I worked in ICI for many years, before I was demerged into Zeneca, then merged with Astra, then spun out into Syngenta and then taken over by Sinochem Holdings Corporation Ltd., which is fully controlled by the Chinese government's State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission which now pays my inflation proof final salary pension, which I've been on for over thirty years.
    Dizzying. And a little worrying. I'm glad China believes in a rules based order.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    edited 10:37AM

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    What is it?
    Peter Thiel / Palantir is new obsession. She has got funded along for some online journalism site that wheeled out loads of famous names to say they would be involved and instead it has just a 20 articles in 6 months.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    He was, but he do go (temporarily, hopefully) mad about Brexit. I note that his partner didn't die because Boris turned his medication away at Dover...
    Which was a particularly weird thing to worry about because ISTR that the medication in question was actually manufactured here in the UK or generics from India for which Brexit made precisely zero difference. It just became this unarguable point for him that he used to silence other people and unsurprisingly in the rough and tumble of PB debate not everyone appreciated it.
    Possibly not helped by some of our more strident leavers appearing not to care if it did happen!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,892

    Leon said:

    “Envy of the world” part 7,923

    “NHS is worse than Sudan for patients’ mortality rate

    Britain ranked 141st out of 205 countries for deaths from ‘adverse effects of medical treatment’”

    Telegraph

    NHS worse than Sudan for causing patient deaths
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/506a5224e77a3fcf

    Gift link so no paywall. Note to Kemi's PMQs team: your lot were in charge.
    A quick scan suggests that the data may not be entirely robust, rather like the FON poll.

    "Undeveloped or developing countries are less likely to carry out as many medical procedures or treatments as in the UK, while the accuracy of reporting incidents may not be as robust."
    Reported in the Telegraph and quoted by Leon - two massive red flags in terms of the likely accuracy of this study.
    The report no doubt finds areas that need improvement. The problem is the Telegraph has splashed the misleading comparison with Sudan. It is absurd as pb wondering if Keir is taller than Boris.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,236

    China will "actively consider" implementing unilateral visa-free entry for UK citizens, said President Xi

    There are already 48 countries who have this.

    If Kier could swing that for me I would be very grateful. Right now I have to make elaborate plans to leave for a different country than the one I arrive from so they count me as transit. Meanwhile Japanese people can just breeze in and out at will despite China being really mad at Japan over Taiwan and revoking its panda privileges.
    The list:

    https://en.nia.gov.cn/n147418/n147463/c183390/content.html

    Interesting that China is willing to do this unilaterally, but India stands on reciprocity.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    The people who have to attend hundreds of these things for professional reasons - mostly politicians - can well afford the cost, might win a box of chocolates, and will create goodwill out of all proportion to the effort. The world of small raffles lacks irony, is kind and has a long memory. And they all vote.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,236
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    The people who have to attend hundreds of these things for professional reasons - mostly politicians - can well afford the cost, might win a box of chocolates, and will create goodwill out of all proportion to the effort. The world of small raffles lacks irony, is kind and has a long memory. And they all vote.

    So long as you don't claim them back on expenses, like one MP famously did.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,170

    Leon said:

    “Envy of the world” part 7,923

    “NHS is worse than Sudan for patients’ mortality rate

    Britain ranked 141st out of 205 countries for deaths from ‘adverse effects of medical treatment’”

    Telegraph

    NHS worse than Sudan for causing patient deaths
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/506a5224e77a3fcf

    Gift link so no paywall. Note to Kemi's PMQs team: your lot were in charge.
    A quick scan suggests that the data may not be entirely robust, rather like the FON poll.

    "Undeveloped or developing countries are less likely to carry out as many medical procedures or treatments as in the UK, while the accuracy of reporting incidents may not be as robust."
    Reported in the Telegraph and quoted by Leon - two massive red flags in terms of the likely accuracy of this study.
    The report no doubt finds areas that need improvement. The problem is the Telegraph has splashed the misleading comparison with Sudan. It is absurd as pb wondering if Keir is taller than Boris.
    As a seasoned traveller I assume that Leon will be heading to Sudan for any medical treatment in future?

    This is like comparing US and UK cancer survival rates without accounting for the different proportion of untreated people.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,960

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    What is it?
    Peter Thiel / Palantir is new obsession. She has got funded along for some online journalism site that wheeled out loads of famous names to say they would be involved and instead it has just a 20 articles in 6 months.
    Given how ID checks, KYC, and AML checks are standard in the banking industry and not a sign of guilt, this is going to be spectacular.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    What is it?
    Peter Thiel / Palantir is new obsession. She has got funded along for some online journalism site that wheeled out loads of famous names to say they would be involved and instead it has just a 20 articles in 6 months.
    Given how ID checks, KYC, and AML checks are standard in the banking industry and not a sign of guilt, this is going to be spectacular.
    Well somebody is going to be smashing their billable hours targets....
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624
    edited 10:46AM
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,449

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,086
    edited 10:58AM

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.

    This one seems to be doing the rounds.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,151
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I bought a few raffle tickets at Bromsgrove Wetherspoons abour a week ago, first time I'd bought any for ages. It was to support a staff member who was raising money for charity iirc. Almost forgotten about the existence raffle tickets until then.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,444
    tpfkar said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    Yes. may be have him back please? And David Herdson.

    Both post regularly on BlueSky. I follow them both, and they are as well-informed as ever.
    This is my regular reminder that there is a PoliticalBetting Bluesky starter pack which collates many political bettors, including Messrs Meeks and Herdson. You can find it here: https://bsky.app/profile/mattwardman.bsky.social (click on the "Starter Packs" tab)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,895
    edited 11:08AM

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    This is "The Citizens" * ? I'm not sure what her models are - Citizens United in the USA perhaps, who have been involved in addressing manipulation of their voting system.

    Did she pay her costs order wrt Arron Banks? Was that not a couple of million?

    At a brief look, they seem to be going for "big tech", including claims that the UK Govt are trying to drive AI into everything unchecked. I'm not sure on that, given that the UK Govt, with others, have taken on Grok and Musk.

    Link: https://the-citizens.com/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,991

    Will Muslim voters do Greens? Or can they actually do well because they can pump up the Gaza stuff?

    Absolutely, it can be done. I know I have mentioned the Green party 26% second place result in Huddersfield at GE24 numerous times (and, indeed, predicted it), but it is an object lesson in how the Green party can build a coalition from students, a local politics base and Muslim Gaza concern, where the Greens are considered sound.

    In Huddersfield they originally built a local base in my own part studenty part working class and lightly Muslim ward some years ago, capturing both students and increasing numbers of local voters. They'd made only slight progress outside the ward, but that flipped by their Gaza friendly stance in two neighbouring more heavily Muslim wards in LE 2024, winning one and losing one ward to Labour on a split Green / Ind vote.

    Actually, that loss might have been influential for the GE result, Muslim community groups rowed in heavily behind the Greens and there were no Independent or WP candidates as a result.

    Now, obviously Muslim voters aren't wholly a monolithic bloc, although often more in the sense that Liverpool Walton is not a monolithic bloc, rather than some 4-way marginal not being, so a wider coalition of Green voters would clearly be needed in most places.

    Anyhow, I do see a lot of conditions present in Gorton and Denton that mirror Huddersfield - some local strength, a student base, Muslim community groups being onside, and the good possibility of attracting some of the more left leaning Denton voters with their strength elsewhere. They are less far along in getting the Worker's Party, who also have some strength, in packing up shop, but on their plus side, Labour are much more unpopular now, and I feel the window for Reform to come down the middle of the Labour/Green vote is a bit lower in Gorton and Denton than it would be in Huddersfield.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
    Kemi's current conclusion - that the Tory party should take over Reform anti-centrist mantle and mock traditional Conservatism -seems to me an extraordinary mistake.

    Proper Reform voters won't vote for Reform lite Tories, and the millions they have lost to DK, NOTA, LD, Labour etc certainly won't.
    Roughly half of all voters prefer to vote Right Of Centre. There is massive space for a competent Burkean, culturally coherent, intelligent Tory party with a front bench who look and act the part and appear to know a lot about where we have come from historically, and where we might intelligently aim next.

    Being a more competent Reform type party won't do. Current Reform voters have little interest in competence or policy, except on migration and re-migration. As they will come to realise if they succeed, they want to both break everything and keep all the nice free stuff the same. Can't be done. Ask any intelligent Republican.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    MattW said:

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    This is "The Citizens" * ? I'm not sure what her models are - Citizens United in the USA perhaps, who have been involved in addressing manipulation of their voting system.

    Did she pay her costs order wrt Arron Banks? Was that not a couple of million?

    At a brief look, they seem to be going for "big tech", including claims that the UK Govt are trying to drive AI into everything unchecked. I'm not sure on that, given that the UK Govt, with others, have taken on Grok and Musk.

    Link: https://the-citizens.com/
    No, I was talking about "thenerve" which launched with a load of celebs backing it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568
    edited 11:17AM

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
    Their candidate for London mayor was on Triggernometry podcast last week. She interviewed well, except for the question about a load of Tory failures jointing the party. Her view is that anyone can join, the hosts did press her on the point but could have gone further, for example asking what if ‘Tommy’ wanted to join?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,590

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,847
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
    Their candidate for London mayor was on Triggernometry podcast last week. She interviewed well, except for the question about a load of Tory failures jointing the party. Her view is that anyone can join, the hosts did press her on the point but could have gone further, for example asking what if ‘Tommy’ wanted to join?
    I think the argument is a load of old nonsense personally.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702
    edited 11:23AM

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    edited 11:24AM
    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,590
    carnforth said:

    China will "actively consider" implementing unilateral visa-free entry for UK citizens, said President Xi

    There are already 48 countries who have this.

    If Kier could swing that for me I would be very grateful. Right now I have to make elaborate plans to leave for a different country than the one I arrive from so they count me as transit. Meanwhile Japanese people can just breeze in and out at will despite China being really mad at Japan over Taiwan and revoking its panda privileges.
    The list:

    https://en.nia.gov.cn/n147418/n147463/c183390/content.html

    Interesting that China is willing to do this unilaterally, but India stands on reciprocity.
    Is that all the EU on the list, just asking?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
    Their candidate for London mayor was on Triggernometry podcast last week. She interviewed well, except for the question about a load of Tory failures jointing the party. Her view is that anyone can join, the hosts did press her on the point but could have gone further, for example asking what if ‘Tommy’ wanted to join?
    I think the argument is a load of old nonsense personally.
    I tend to agree, and think that the argument against is countered by the political experience in former government ministers they are getting to join the party. But it’s a valid critisism, and Reform spokespeople need to have an answer to it.

    I suspect they are not yet as ‘on-message’ and disciplined as they will need to be during the election campaign, although they’ll probably say it’s a good thing that they’re a group of talented individuals and not ‘group-thinkers’.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,843

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    Somewhere between Jack Duckworth and late stage Stan Ogden.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,895
    viewcode said:

    tpfkar said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    Yes. may be have him back please? And David Herdson.

    Both post regularly on BlueSky. I follow them both, and they are as well-informed as ever.
    This is my regular reminder that there is a PoliticalBetting Bluesky starter pack which collates many political bettors, including Messrs Meeks and Herdson. You can find it here: https://bsky.app/profile/mattwardman.bsky.social (click on the "Starter Packs" tab)
    There are still spaces if anyone wants to be added.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,444

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/87-contemporary-build-in-north-dorset/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,449
    edited 11:33AM
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    tpfkar said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    AI is being presented as bringing average up to excellent. Its core advantage - at present at least - is bringing poor up to average-plus.

    (So experts can't understand its value and normies think it's great.)

    I must say that I miss @AlastairMeeks contributions below the line greatly. One of our best contributors.
    Yes. may be have him back please? And David Herdson.

    Both post regularly on BlueSky. I follow them both, and they are as well-informed as ever.
    This is my regular reminder that there is a PoliticalBetting Bluesky starter pack which collates many political bettors, including Messrs Meeks and Herdson. You can find it here: https://bsky.app/profile/mattwardman.bsky.social (click on the "Starter Packs" tab)
    There are still spaces if anyone wants to be added.
    Not sure if I'm on or not, but my BS account is https://bsky.app/profile/morrisf1.bsky.social
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,895
    edited 11:38AM

    First to go off-topic.

    UK physics research and science facilities face ‘substantial’ cuts
    Science and Technology Facilities Council seeks £162m cost savings, with existing projects facing axe

    https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-research-councils-2026-1-uk-physics-research-and-science-facilities-face-substantial-cuts/

    I cannot quite get my head around these numbers. It looks like a reduction over 4 years, but since there is a "record funding settlement" how much of this is a cut of a future increase? Or, following the article, an unaffordable increase agreed in 2022?

    And I thought "throw more money at it" rather than eg "sack the public sector bureaucrats" was an argument which is frowned upon.

    I'd hope for a bit more clarity from a professional research news site.

    A UKRI spokesperson said: “Following a spending review, which gave UKRI a record four-year settlement, curiosity driven research will continue to make up around 50 per cent of our funding. UKRI will remain the guardian of curiosity driven research.

    “That doesn’t preclude changes at programme or research council level as UKRI makes choices, to be in the best position to deliver on its mission to advance knowledge, change lives and drive growth. This includes taking difficult decisions now.

    "STFC’s budget faces particular pressures due to its growing cost base—driven by unforeseeable developments since setting ambitious goals in its 2022 delivery plan, which are no longer affordable. This means that STFC needs to find savings from within its allocation. STFC is actively working with its Science Board and community to make the choices about how these savings are realised, and so put STFC on a sustainable footing."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568

    AstraZeneca, which is headquartered in the UK, has just announced it will invest $15bn in China until 2030. The pharmaceutical company says the investment will be used to expand medicines, manufacturing and research and development.

    Come 2035 they will be complaining that they are under incredible pressure from Chinese drug companies and need UK protection....of course the UK government pissed them around all over £10 million and they pulled their £500m investment from the UK.

    Given the propensity of Chinese factories to steal Western IP and flood the market with fakes, why would a pharma company want to invest in research or manufacturing there? The Chinese market will happily allow the ‘generics’ to dominate domestically, well outside any enforceable Western IP law.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,849
    The final two on Labour’s shortlist are Manchester councillor Angeliki Stogia, and Eamon O’Brien, who leads Bury Council

    Guardian live blog
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,865

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    Enough already ! How long will we have to put up with Burnham milking this ? If your sole purpose to enter the Commons is to challenge the leadership and cause months of non stop press speculation then he needs to suck it up and stop whining now that it blew up in his face . Originally I thought he should have been allowed to stand , now he’s getting on my nerves with this martyrdom complex and I’m glad he was stopped.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Hitherto, Reform was immune from most attacks, but the current one - that's it's now a members club for nasty old Tory failures - does seem to be getting traction. I'm surprised Nigel allowed it.
    Their candidate for London mayor was on Triggernometry podcast last week. She interviewed well, except for the question about a load of Tory failures jointing the party. Her view is that anyone can join, the hosts did press her on the point but could have gone further, for example asking what if ‘Tommy’ wanted to join?
    I think the argument is a load of old nonsense personally.
    I tend to agree, and think that the argument against is countered by the political experience in former government ministers they are getting to join the party. But it’s a valid critisism, and Reform spokespeople need to have an answer to it.

    I suspect they are not yet as ‘on-message’ and disciplined as they will need to be during the election campaign, although they’ll probably say it’s a good thing that they’re a group of talented individuals and not ‘group-thinkers’.
    Reform have to navigate a totally different dynamic in regard to defections. In the good old days, a defection meant that your opponent had lurched to the unpalatable extremes, while you were the very embodiment of big-tent politics. But Reform need to be the inversion of big-tentism - for them the big tent means the cosy consensus that brought the nation to its knees and needs to be mercilessly swept aside. Reform must be seen as untainted by all that went before. They must glow with a kind of nascent purity.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568

    I see Carole Codswallop has got a new bogeyman. I hope the backers of her new venture have deep pockets for the inevitable crazy amount of lawyers being required to be on retainer.

    What is it?
    Peter Thiel / Palantir is new obsession. She has got funded along for some online journalism site that wheeled out loads of famous names to say they would be involved and instead it has just a 20 articles in 6 months.
    Going after someone who’s famously litigious and has very deep pockets is somewhat brave, as Sir Humphrey might say.

    Especially if you have a long record of factual errors in investigative reporting, and numerous corrections to your articles.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,251

    malcolmg said:

    geoffw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Xi smiling broadly as he shakes Starmer's hand ahead of their talks. The Chinese have always liked dull, serious and bureaucratic UK PMs. Ted Heath was always very popular with the Chinese, also like Starmer far more than he was with UK voters
    "UK and China must build 'more sophisticated relationship', Starmer tells Xi - live updates - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly9p5kr2q7t

    Starmer making his visit to China all about the "cost of living" in the UK shows him to be deeply unserious about geopolitics

    Notwithstanding his general incompetence, Starmer's so far uneventful trip to China has elicited invective from PB's finest for promoting trade and being smaller than a toy bear.

    Starmer stands at a diminutive 5ft 9. The same height as the statuesque Johnson.
    yes we cannot wait to get those dinghy engine parts on Ali Express, what a Titan.
    I thought that he was trying to get the Chinese to stop selling engines which could be useful to people-smugglers to such people.

    Incidentally, since the craft, and their engines are abandoned when they arrive in Kent, what happens to the engines etc? Are they sold on the secondhand market (please say no!) or are they scrapped?
    During the anti-slavery patrols on the coast of Africa, the RN realised that seized ships, sold at auction were being bought by slavers.

    The sales funded the prize money for the RN crews.

    With Victorian practicality, they reverted to burning/dismantling captured ships and funded the prize money from the Estimates.

    I’ll bet we are auctioning the boats. And that memos about having seized the same boat 8 times have been going up and down and round…
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,502
    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/87-contemporary-build-in-north-dorset/
    Looking good!

    The guys lugging the marble top reminds me when we had the top delivered for our kitchen island. Two parts, each required 8 guys busting a gut to shift them.

    The island is so large that if Trump hears about it, he'll want to put the American flag on it...
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497
    edited 11:47AM

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,695
    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    I think Andy Burnham is one of Labour's better politicians - but it's not clear to me how he is in a better position to defeat Reform. Bluntly, he is somewhat woker than SKS. And therefore rather more likely to drive up the Reform vote. Arguably he might gather back some of the lost Lab votes to the Greens and rag/Tag/Bobtails, but that doesn't really strike me as 'fighting back against Reform'.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,347
    It may forbid gambling..it also forbids drinking.. not sure Muslims obey the drinking abstentuon...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,502

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    Somewhere between Jack Duckworth and late stage Stan Ogden.
    Burnham not ageing well is he? Must be the pressure of being the mayor. Lord knows what he would look like after a couple of years in Downing Street...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568
    edited 11:56AM

    It may forbid gambling..it also forbids drinking.. not sure Muslims obey the drinking abstentuon...

    Well I’m currently sitting in a pub in a Muslim country, pint in hand…

    Next year the first casino opens here. https://wynnalmarjanisland.com/
  • isamisam Posts: 43,447
    edited 11:56AM
    There was a lot of mockery about Rishi Sunak’s height. I thought it was poor form, and so is this from the Conservatives

    Keir Starmer on the world stage.

    https://x.com/conservatives/status/2016831436389572645?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,236

    carnforth said:

    China will "actively consider" implementing unilateral visa-free entry for UK citizens, said President Xi

    There are already 48 countries who have this.

    If Kier could swing that for me I would be very grateful. Right now I have to make elaborate plans to leave for a different country than the one I arrive from so they count me as transit. Meanwhile Japanese people can just breeze in and out at will despite China being really mad at Japan over Taiwan and revoking its panda privileges.
    The list:

    https://en.nia.gov.cn/n147418/n147463/c183390/content.html

    Interesting that China is willing to do this unilaterally, but India stands on reciprocity.
    Is that all the EU on the list, just asking?
    Looks like it. Plus the micro-states.

    Sometimes countries do it separately, though. Even when we were in the EU, we didn't have access to St-Petersberg-without-a-visa, when every other EU country did.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,517
    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    I think Andy Burnham is one of Labour's better politicians - but it's not clear to me how he is in a better position to defeat Reform. Bluntly, he is somewhat woker than SKS. And therefore rather more likely to drive up the Reform vote. Arguably he might gather back some of the lost Lab votes to the Greens and rag/Tag/Bobtails, but that doesn't really strike me as 'fighting back against Reform'.
    He outperformed Labour in GM generally at the previous election, for instance Oldham MBC Labour got 29% whereas he was close to 50 in that area and that was his poorest area.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497
    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    I think Andy Burnham is one of Labour's better politicians - but it's not clear to me how he is in a better position to defeat Reform. Bluntly, he is somewhat woker than SKS. And therefore rather more likely to drive up the Reform vote. Arguably he might gather back some of the lost Lab votes to the Greens and rag/Tag/Bobtails, but that doesn't really strike me as 'fighting back against Reform'.
    Modest in victory and gracious in defeat is easily the best long term strategy. The worst strategy for Burnham at this moment is to display no understanding of the arguments of the other side in his own party, but continue to imply that he was 100% right and they were 100% wrong.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,236
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    China will "actively consider" implementing unilateral visa-free entry for UK citizens, said President Xi

    There are already 48 countries who have this.

    If Kier could swing that for me I would be very grateful. Right now I have to make elaborate plans to leave for a different country than the one I arrive from so they count me as transit. Meanwhile Japanese people can just breeze in and out at will despite China being really mad at Japan over Taiwan and revoking its panda privileges.
    The list:

    https://en.nia.gov.cn/n147418/n147463/c183390/content.html

    Interesting that China is willing to do this unilaterally, but India stands on reciprocity.
    Is that all the EU on the list, just asking?
    Looks like it. Plus the micro-states.
    I mis-speak. San Marino and the Vatican City have been snubbed!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,279
    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,251
    edited 12:07PM
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp376n7k0g9o

    Bus driver sacked after chasing and punching thief

    “ Hehir gave chase and retrieved the necklace, but said the man returned to the bus to confront him, and threw "the first punch"

    “Operations manager Alina Gioroc, who had heard the disciplinary case, told the tribunal she believed "that the (man) returned towards the bus with the clear intention to apologise and shake hands with the female passenger"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,616
    edited 12:07PM
    isam said:

    There was a lot of mockery about Rishi Sunak’s height. I thought it was poor form, and so is this from the Conservatives

    Keir Starmer on the world stage.

    https://x.com/conservatives/status/2016831436389572645?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Got the children running the social media thinking they work for Paddy Power rather than a party who wants to be in power.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624
    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,279
    There are, shall we say, certain subjects where - if I was allowed to speak freely - I would overturn the settled opinion of this esteemed forum, and also frighten the shit out of you

    But I am not, so I shall instead remark upon the fashion for very pretty slender black hookers at the Novotel end of soi Nana, whereas all the ladyboys seem to have disappeared
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,156
    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    'I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.'

    I think you are missing the point

    There wasn't any discord in labour in 2024 and he was already established as the Mayor of Manchester

    Then we saw the fall in grace of Starmer and Reeves to the point that the left of the party were (and still are) looking for a champion and winner v Starmer and I am certain influential labour mps led by Angela Rayner wanted a candidate who could beat him if and when the opportunity arose

    It would be foolish to think because Starmer led his committee to block Burnham, that all of a sudden those left wing groups just turn round and say OK then !!!!!!

    I am not sure that Starmer will lose Gorton and Denton but even so, May is the big judgement on him and his moment of danger

    I would say in the competition I have Starmer as PM at the end of this year and no Andy Burnham in the HOC, but in today's highly volatile and unpredictable climate nobody can be certain of anything
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,279

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,170
    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    Guardian seem ready to indulge him uncritically, shades of the end of Brown and their indulgence of Caroline Flint's endless backstabbing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,251
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    I think Andy Burnham is one of Labour's better politicians - but it's not clear to me how he is in a better position to defeat Reform. Bluntly, he is somewhat woker than SKS. And therefore rather more likely to drive up the Reform vote. Arguably he might gather back some of the lost Lab votes to the Greens and rag/Tag/Bobtails, but that doesn't really strike me as 'fighting back against Reform'.
    He outperformed Labour in GM generally at the previous election, for instance Oldham MBC Labour got 29% whereas he was close to 50 in that area and that was his poorest area.
    Like or loath him, Andy Burnham is very, very popular in Manchester.

    The Mayor can just blame central government funding for “not doing X” - so he has never had to say no to a progressive cause.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876

    AstraZeneca, which is headquartered in the UK, has just announced it will invest $15bn in China until 2030. The pharmaceutical company says the investment will be used to expand medicines, manufacturing and research and development.

    Come 2035 they will be complaining that they are under incredible pressure from Chinese drug companies and need UK protection....of course the UK government pissed them around all over £10 million and they pulled their £500m investment from the UK.

    China is a huge market, and their development biotech sector is second only to the US.

    We have a historically extremely strong science base, but our biotech sector has been in relative decline for some time.
    And having left the EU, we're a globally insignificant market for medicines.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568
    isam said:

    There was a lot of mockery about Rishi Sunak’s height. I thought it was poor form, and so is this from the Conservatives

    Keir Starmer on the world stage.

    https://x.com/conservatives/status/2016831436389572645?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Silly and unnecessary.

    Do the meme with Starmer in Xi’s pocket instead, which is a joke about politics and not about the PM’s physical appearance.

    Funniest take on the visit so far.
    https://x.com/thesundaysport/status/2016791218122854579
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,695

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    I think Andy Burnham is one of Labour's better politicians - but it's not clear to me how he is in a better position to defeat Reform. Bluntly, he is somewhat woker than SKS. And therefore rather more likely to drive up the Reform vote. Arguably he might gather back some of the lost Lab votes to the Greens and rag/Tag/Bobtails, but that doesn't really strike me as 'fighting back against Reform'.
    He outperformed Labour in GM generally at the previous election, for instance Oldham MBC Labour got 29% whereas he was close to 50 in that area and that was his poorest area.
    Like or loath him, Andy Burnham is very, very popular in Manchester.

    The Mayor can just blame central government funding for “not doing X” - so he has never had to say no to a progressive cause.
    My view is that his popularity in GM is likely to evaporate quite quickly when he dumps us to go back to the Westminster politics he has until recently purported not to be interested in.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,170
    Dopermean said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    Guardian seem ready to indulge him uncritically, shades of the end of Brown and their indulgence of Caroline Flint's endless backstabbing.
    On that note, longshot for female labour defecting to Reform? She's been on GB news.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,849
    edited 12:15PM
    V low turnout for Pensions statement in the House.

    I guess we are deep into the ski holiday season?

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568
    edited 12:21PM
    Russian Su-34 bomber taken out by what’s believed to be a Patriot air defence missile, while over the Black Sear near Odesa.

    https://x.com/evo1tactical/status/2016707953139552336

    What a shame. One fewer aircraft to terrify Ukranian civilians.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,876
    Sandpit said:

    AstraZeneca, which is headquartered in the UK, has just announced it will invest $15bn in China until 2030. The pharmaceutical company says the investment will be used to expand medicines, manufacturing and research and development.

    Come 2035 they will be complaining that they are under incredible pressure from Chinese drug companies and need UK protection....of course the UK government pissed them around all over £10 million and they pulled their £500m investment from the UK.

    Given the propensity of Chinese factories to steal Western IP and flood the market with fakes, why would a pharma company want to invest in research or manufacturing there? The Chinese market will happily allow the ‘generics’ to dominate domestically, well outside any enforceable Western IP law.
    Guess where the US pharma sector is inlicensing more new drugs from now, between China and the Europe/UK ?

    The answer is not Europe/UK.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,279

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/87-contemporary-build-in-north-dorset/
    Looking good!

    The guys lugging the marble top reminds me when we had the top delivered for our kitchen island. Two parts, each required 8 guys busting a gut to shift them.

    The island is so large that if Trump hears about it, he'll want to put the American flag on it...
    Is that @Benpointer’s new house?! I rather like it. Certainly a hundred times nicer than the average, windowless, Barratt home red brick rabbit hutch

    We should build more wooden houses. Red brick, unless used with great skill, is intrinsically ugly and bleak, especially in the British climate
  • eekeek Posts: 32,413

    Ministers once again reject Waspi calls for compensation after rethink

    FTFY - because it's worth saying the tories previously rejected the compensation request.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,156

    Ministers reject Waspi calls for compensation after rethink

    At last something I agree with labour on
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,702
    Leon said:

    There are, shall we say, certain subjects where - if I was allowed to speak freely - I would overturn the settled opinion of this esteemed forum, and also frighten the shit out of you

    But I am not, so I shall instead remark upon the fashion for very pretty slender black hookers at the Novotel end of soi Nana, whereas all the ladyboys seem to have disappeared

    We know - you think Clawdbot is sentient.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,695
    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    I was quite surprised when I heard my daughter's school were looking at ways to stop kids becoming radicalised. I had assumed - what, with a radical Muslim blowing up a load of kids watching pop music in the Arena a few years back - that they were looking at ways to prevent Islamic radicalisation - i.e. the one which kills people and other things we are not allowed to mention. But of course not. It's to stop kids questioning the benefits of immigration.

    To be fair to the current government, this isn't new. I remember a question in GCSE geography when I did it 30-odd years ago about 'what are the benefits of immigration'. Even at the age of 16, this struck me as curiously one-sided.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,497

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    'I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.'

    I think you are missing the point

    There wasn't any discord in labour in 2024 and he was already established as the Mayor of Manchester

    Then we saw the fall in grace of Starmer and Reeves to the point that the left of the party were (and still are) looking for a champion and winner v Starmer and I am certain influential labour mps led by Angela Rayner wanted a candidate who could beat him if and when the opportunity arose

    It would be foolish to think because Starmer led his committee to block Burnham, that all of a sudden those left wing groups just turn round and say OK then !!!!!!

    I am not sure that Starmer will lose Gorton and Denton but even so, May is the big judgement on him and his moment of danger

    I would say in the competition I have Starmer as PM at the end of this year and no Andy Burnham in the HOC, but in today's highly volatile and unpredictable climate nobody can be certain of anything
    Thanks. But I think you are avoiding my point. He stood for mayor in May 2024. At that point there would be a GE within a few months - expected IIRC in October. Burnham could have waited and become an MP, taking less risk than most candidates of losing, and a higher chance than most of finding a safe seat. He didn't.

    He then divides the party by all sorts of tactics to show he is a big presence in the playground, culminating in a last second application for G and D.

    A challenge to Starmer is quite proper. There are over 400 MPs to choose from, some of them very able. He could have been one of them. Instead he invites his biggest political foes to lie down and accept an extra and lethal MP to the 400 who can oppose SKS if they have the support. He finds it 'hard to take' when, having played hardball he finds others play hardball too. Gosh.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,695

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    I don't subscribe and it was there for me? Perhaps it is one of those occasions where you can see a certain number of free articles a month?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,895
    edited 12:27PM

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/87-contemporary-build-in-north-dorset/
    Looking good!

    The guys lugging the marble top reminds me when we had the top delivered for our kitchen island. Two parts, each required 8 guys busting a gut to shift them.

    The island is so large that if Trump hears about it, he'll want to put the American flag on it...
    Nice to see.

    I'm due for a kitchen overhaul sometime soon - I tend to like granite, although chunky stainless steel has it's place too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,849
    edited 12:29PM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    The Guardian or Observer, I forget which, covered this days ago.

    She's a graphical fictional character originally invented for a game that was supposedly designed to help teenagers avoid becoming radicalised by Radical Right online content. I forget the details but she's been takeover by the Internet meme crowd and AI-ed and taken up by the very people the designers were trying to warn against.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,677
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Asking people queuing for lottery tickets is going to understate the Greens, I'd have thought.

    In village culture here, and maybe most places, the unofficial admission price to anything 'free' in village hall type venues is to buy a raffle ticket for £1 (minimum). In consequence you sometimes have to bring home some unwanted piece of well intentioned stuff. This week it was an unidentifiable plant of some sort. Intuition or guesswork suggests to me that polling this group of gamblers would reach a large number unreached by any other sort of lottery.
    I love those kind of raffles. Used to attend Cancer Research events as a friend was on the committee. The raffle prizes were mostly terrible and plentiful. Towards the end the cry would go out "Put it back in..." as no-one wanted the 'prize'. I swear some things went round for years.
    I turn up, buy raffle tickets, don't ask my name to be recorded and leave before the draw. My wife is slower than me so sometimes, like this week, has to come home encumbered.
    Stephen Fry told a story about carrying 'fake' tickets in your pocket to avoid having to buy some. It probably originated elsewhere.
    I heard Gyles Brandreth tell that story about John Major doing that.
    One suspects its an old chestnut
    Can't see how it would work... you'd have top have every colour available just in case for the standard lottery using cloakroom tickets. Easier to just say 'I've already got some', it's not as if anyone is going to ask to check them.
    Allegedly you have a few different colours (and raffle strips are very generic).

    But yes I suspect its not something anyone actually does.

    BTW - how is the house - can you send your link to build hub again? I've run out of grand designs/George Clarke programs and need my property porn!
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/87-contemporary-build-in-north-dorset/
    Looking good!

    The guys lugging the marble top reminds me when we had the top delivered for our kitchen island. Two parts, each required 8 guys busting a gut to shift them.

    The island is so large that if Trump hears about it, he'll want to put the American flag on it...
    Is that @Benpointer’s new house?! I rather like it. Certainly a hundred times nicer than the average, windowless, Barratt home red brick rabbit hutch

    We should build more wooden houses. Red brick, unless used with great skill, is intrinsically ugly and bleak, especially in the British climate
    Really? I've always thought of red brick as a very warm and sympathetic kind of material, human in scale and reassuringly earthy as well as a nod to Victorian industrial structures, Elizabethan Manor houses and the like. To my mind the red brick is the most British of construction materials, in fact. It opens up the possibility of some nice patterns too, although perhaps less so nowadays when you have a single row of bricks and a breeze block inner skin. We replicated the Flemish bond of the existing house when we built our kitchen extension and used second hand London stock bricks and it looks beautiful. Our brickie was exceptionally skilled though. And London bricks are more yellow than red I suppose.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,449

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    The Guardian or Observer, I forget which, covered this days ago.

    She's a graphical fictional character originally invented for a game that was supposedly designed to help teenagers avoid becoming radicalised by Radical Right online content. I forget the details but she's been takeover by the Internet meme crowd and AI-ed and taken up by the very people the designers were trying to warn against.

    Only heard tiny bits of that game but apparently it's definition of wrongthink was absurdly broad, hence mockery.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,624
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    I don't subscribe and it was there for me? Perhaps it is one of those occasions where you can see a certain number of free articles a month?
    Perhaps there's a way to break the paywall. But I wouldn't advocate that: the doddery old chap who penned the article looks like he could do with the money.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,849

    Leon said:

    There are, shall we say, certain subjects where - if I was allowed to speak freely - I would overturn the settled opinion of this esteemed forum, and also frighten the shit out of you

    But I am not, so I shall instead remark upon the fashion for very pretty slender black hookers at the Novotel end of soi Nana, whereas all the ladyboys seem to have disappeared

    We know - you think Clawdbot is sentient.
    I thought he was referring to the bats being innocent of the crime.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,568
    edited 12:37PM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    The Guardian or Observer, I forget which, covered this days ago.

    She's a graphical fictional character originally invented for a game that was supposedly designed to help teenagers avoid becoming radicalised by Radical Right online content. I forget the details but she's been takeover by the Internet meme crowd and AI-ed and taken up by the very people the designers were trying to warn against.

    It’s all rather amusing, and yet more proof if it were needed that it’s now impossible for governments to control the narrative and culture.

    When they try, it blows up in their faces.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,150

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I see purple-haired fash thot hottie Amelia is now exciting the readership of the Spectator

    https://spectator.com/article/amelia-the-purple-haired-goth-girl-who-became-a-nationalist-icon/

    'Nationalist'? Is that now the Right's accepted euphemism for 'racist'?
    Dunno. The article is by my stalker so on principle I don’t read beyond the headline
    I don't subscribe so can't see the article either; therefore its contents will forever remain a mystery. But presumably this is a British equivalent of the 'Pepe the Frog' phenomenon, a decade on.
    The Guardian or Observer, I forget which, covered this days ago.

    She's a graphical fictional character originally invented for a game that was supposedly designed to help teenagers avoid becoming radicalised by Radical Right online content. I forget the details but she's been takeover by the Internet meme crowd and AI-ed and taken up by the very people the designers were trying to warn against.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/25/ai-generated-british-schoolgirl-becomes-far-right-social-media-meme
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,156
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy Burnham has said it was "hard" to take Labour's decision to block him from standing as the party's candidate in a forthcoming parliamentary by-election.

    The Greater Manchester mayor told the BBC he put his name forward to stand in Gorton and Denton as he believed he was "probably in a better position than anybody to fight back" against Labour's opponents, including Reform UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1klyz4rg80o

    Not a very flattering photo chosen by the BBC.

    I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.

    Does he really lack the humility to realise that he could and should have stood as an MP in 2024, and stood down as maoyor candidate, if he wanted the PM job before 2029?

    His efforts of course have given anti-Labour forces, including malignant ones, help in trying to lose a safe seat for Labour.

    'I wonder if Burnham is capable of comprehending how his decision to try standing would be 'hard to take' for the Labour party who wanted to avoid a dangerous by election for Mayor of Manchester, and for the people who voted him in for a four year 'contract'.'

    I think you are missing the point

    There wasn't any discord in labour in 2024 and he was already established as the Mayor of Manchester

    Then we saw the fall in grace of Starmer and Reeves to the point that the left of the party were (and still are) looking for a champion and winner v Starmer and I am certain influential labour mps led by Angela Rayner wanted a candidate who could beat him if and when the opportunity arose

    It would be foolish to think because Starmer led his committee to block Burnham, that all of a sudden those left wing groups just turn round and say OK then !!!!!!

    I am not sure that Starmer will lose Gorton and Denton but even so, May is the big judgement on him and his moment of danger

    I would say in the competition I have Starmer as PM at the end of this year and no Andy Burnham in the HOC, but in today's highly volatile and unpredictable climate nobody can be certain of anything
    Thanks. But I think you are avoiding my point. He stood for mayor in May 2024. At that point there would be a GE within a few months - expected IIRC in October. Burnham could have waited and become an MP, taking less risk than most candidates of losing, and a higher chance than most of finding a safe seat. He didn't.

    He then divides the party by all sorts of tactics to show he is a big presence in the playground, culminating in a last second application for G and D.

    A challenge to Starmer is quite proper. There are over 400 MPs to choose from, some of them very able. He could have been one of them. Instead he invites his biggest political foes to lie down and accept an extra and lethal MP to the 400 who can oppose SKS if they have the support. He finds it 'hard to take' when, having played hardball he finds others play hardball too. Gosh.
    He stood for re election for Mayor at a time when Starmer was offering the ming vase strategy that over the next year spectacularly failed with Starmer diving in the polls

    When you say he divides the labour party, that division is a direct consquence of disenchantment within labour with Starmer

    Angela Rayner is one of his backers who is a very influential figure in his camp and I expect the disenchantment will continue
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