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  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Having watched Nicola Sturgeon's speech, I think the SNP could seem a lot more palatable to people in England when they're talking about being a progressive influence rather than when they were talking about issues relating to independence. If the debates go ahead I think their anti austerity and equality messages could really strike a chord with some people.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Harman getting duffed up on Sky

    Jack or Harriet?
  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    edited February 2015
    Artist said:

    Having watched Nicola Sturgeon's speech, I think the SNP could seem a lot more palatable to people in England when they're talking about being a progressive influence rather than when they were talking about issues relating to independence. If the debates go ahead I think their anti austerity and equality messages could really strike a chord with some people.

    Will it be I agree with Nick(ola)?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    So will Ed repeat his allegations against The Fink or is he chicken?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    john_zims said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Harman getting duffed up on Sky

    Jack or Harriet?

    Hattie.

    Screenshot upthread is a gem
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Any tax payer who does not make an effort to avoid paying tax is a fool.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Artist said:

    Having watched Nicola Sturgeon's speech, I think the SNP could seem a lot more palatable to people in England when they're talking about being a progressive influence rather than when they were talking about issues relating to independence. If the debates go ahead I think their anti austerity and equality messages could really strike a chord with some people.

    Exactly, though when I made a broadly similar remark some weeks back I was sneered down on PB!

    Political Compass have just issued a new analysis for GE2015 which shows how centrist the SNP and PC are by comparison with Labour/LD/Tories, but still with some way to go to the Greens and SSP (i.e the real socialists, not that SLAB branch office of the Labour Party). That is a heck of a gap in the market not being filled in England.

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: .@HSBC_UK Lord Fink to @Ed_Miliband ' With-draw your defamatory comments or repeat them, outside the House'

    Will the posters who thought Ed had a win today be cheered if the lead story is a defamation suit?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,814
    philiph said:

    Artist said:

    Having watched Nicola Sturgeon's speech, I think the SNP could seem a lot more palatable to people in England when they're talking about being a progressive influence rather than when they were talking about issues relating to independence. If the debates go ahead I think their anti austerity and equality messages could really strike a chord with some people.

    Will it be I agree with Nick(ola)?
    Sturgeon will hopefully crush Miliband in the debates.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.
  • JonnyJimmy
    JonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    edited February 2015
    Lord Fink is chairman of iSam :smile:

    http://www.isam.com/management-team/stanley-fink
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    You wont see Ed for days now - Labour poll bounce ?
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    Scott_P said:

    @alstewitn: .@HSBC_UK Lord Fink to @Ed_Miliband ' With-draw your defamatory comments or repeat them, outside the House'

    Will the posters who thought Ed had a win today be cheered if the lead story is a defamation suit?

    Interesting that the Independent article on this ended with a statement that there is no evidence that any of the named persons have not paid their taxes in full.

    Now, for the defamation suit, are tweets sufficient? Presumably they are not covered by Parliamentary privilege.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,814
    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    Legally it's murky, politically I don't think today will do him any harm at all.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: Stanley Fink to Ed Miliband: Bring It On: http://t.co/RjEvmzgN3y [FULL LETTER]
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @MaxPB
    Yes, it was stupid when those accused of tax avoidance can pay a percentage of their proceeds, then be granted immunity from prosecution.
    Easier in France where they reckoned 95% of those listed were guilty. Harder in the UK where 99.9% were totally without fault.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    JonnyJimmy said:

    Lord Fink is chairman of iSam :smile:

    http://www.isam.com/management-team/stanley-fink

    Will isam sue for breach of copyright? :)
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Looking at the way even the tory papers are reporting this story, this is quite serious for Dave.

    His guys need to get their lawyers in action now, or some the the mud is going to stick.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour are probably 1% ahead at the moment, but the problem for them is the campaign. I bet they'd love to have the election without the campaign.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    @GuidoFawkes: Stanley Fink to Ed Miliband: Bring It On: http://t.co/RjEvmzgN3y [FULL LETTER]

    Ed is an absolute nugget. His research team needs shot.

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,814
    edited February 2015
    Miliband's made the calculation that his ratings are so awful flinging shit around is probably worth the risk even if some of it does end up sticking to himself.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Scott_P said:

    @alstewitn: .@HSBC_UK Lord Fink to @Ed_Miliband ' With-draw your defamatory comments or repeat them, outside the House'

    Will the posters who thought Ed had a win today be cheered if the lead story is a defamation suit?

    100%

    He is trying to sell himself as the politician that takes on the vested interests, tax avoiders and big business moguls, so it would be perfect.

    You only want to see the bad bits cos it suits your meme that he is clueless etc

    Maybe you're right but I don't think he is as wet as you like to think
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    Mililband's made himself another enemy today. What a tool.

    Ed Balls is going to have an even tougher time selling Labour to Business.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    So Ed is accusing someone who worked in Switzerland for 4 years of avoiding Uk tax ?

    Should Sepp Blatter be worried he might have to pay up if Labour come to power ?
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    I wonder if El Finko had to pay anything back?
    Though of course, it would be difficult to find out due to the UK tax "privacy" regulations?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are probably 1% ahead at the moment, but the problem for them is the campaign. I bet they'd love to have the election without the campaign.

    0.3% so far this week, ELBOW-stylee.
  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    Scott_P said:

    @GuidoFawkes: Stanley Fink to Ed Miliband: Bring It On: http://t.co/RjEvmzgN3y [FULL LETTER]

    That really isn't anything other than a big car crash for Ed, assuming there is honesty in the submission from Lord F.

    A bit like Ken and Boris disclosing tax returns. only one winner.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    @alstewitn: .@HSBC_UK Lord Fink to @Ed_Miliband ' With-draw your defamatory comments or repeat them, outside the House'

    Will the posters who thought Ed had a win today be cheered if the lead story is a defamation suit?

    100%

    He is trying to sell himself as the politician that takes on the vested interests, tax avoiders and big business moguls, so it would be perfect.

    You only want to see the bad bits cos it suits your meme that he is clueless etc

    Maybe you're right but I don't think he is as wet as you like to think
    Not seen such man love from a Kipper since Putin invaded the Crimea.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    edited February 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    Legally it's murky, politically I don't think today will do him any harm at all.
    If the challenges to Ed get public traction then it won't be good for him politically, I think it is a big if because the BBC probably won't have the demand from Lord Fink on their website or on the evening bulletin, but if it does then it could get a bit messy as Ed will be forced to retract his statement or be branded a liar/untrustworthy.

    The stupidest part is that Ed named a guy who lived and worked in Switzerland as his example of being "dodgy". Really, really stupid.
  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    Legally it's murky, politically I don't think today will do him any harm at all.
    If the challenges to Ed get public traction then it won't be good for him politically, I think it is a big if because the BBC probably won't have the demand from Lord Fink on their website or on the evening bulletin, but if it does then it could get a bit messy as Ed will be forced to retract his statement or be branded a liar/untrustworthy.
    He must already be looking forward to PMQs next week when his error and lack of integrity an be included by Dave in an answer.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    Legally it's murky, politically I don't think today will do him any harm at all.
    If the challenges to Ed get public traction then it won't be good for him politically, I think it is a big if because the BBC probably won't have the demand from Lord Fink on their website or on the evening bulletin, but if it does then it could get a bit messy as Ed will be forced to retract his statement or be branded a liar/untrustworthy.
    I'd be suprised if Lord Fink isn't touring all the news studios tonight.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Hopi Sen
    ‏@hopisen
    This is how to interpret my silence on the election campaign so far. https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2tqo0xbe1qafsk3.gif …

    Staunch Labour supporter and ex poster speaks..
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are probably 1% ahead at the moment, but the problem for them is the campaign. I bet they'd love to have the election without the campaign.

    I don't think the campaign will make any difference. The problem for Labour is getting to that campaign ahead, or at least level pegging.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    philiph said:

    A bit like Ken and Boris disclosing tax returns. only one winner.

    Yes I seem to remember Boris had very straightforward financial affairs, Ken ended up looking like a fool.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    TGOHF said:

    Hopi Sen
    ‏@hopisen
    This is how to interpret my silence on the election campaign so far. https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2tqo0xbe1qafsk3.gif …

    Staunch Labour supporter and ex poster speaks..

    This is how I feel most days in the office.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited February 2015
    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    You are quite right Roger - wealthy people should have no right to defend their integrity when slandered/libelled etc.
  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    edited February 2015
    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    OK Lets have a PM making false accusations, telling lies, that sort of thing. (edit. Sounds like going to war under a Labour PM)

    You have your values, they would appear to allow defamation in a very public place by a man who is asking to become PM. I think that is an issue.
  • JonnyJimmy
    JonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I think Ed might be in trouble here with those comments. There is no way they will stand up to scrutiny without Parliamentary privilege, but he can't take them back either. It was a stupid throwaway comment as well and now it will make him look untrustworthy or a chicken.

    Legally it's murky, politically I don't think today will do him any harm at all.
    If the challenges to Ed get public traction then it won't be good for him politically, I think it is a big if because the BBC probably won't have the demand from Lord Fink on their website or on the evening bulletin, but if it does then it could get a bit messy as Ed will be forced to retract his statement or be branded a liar/untrustworthy.

    The stupidest part is that Ed named a guy who lived and worked in Switzerland as his example of being "dodgy". Really, really stupid.
    From Beeb live feed -

    Breaking News

    Posted at 15:52

    Lord Fink, the Conservative peer and party donor charged by Ed Miliband today of having undertaken "tax avoidance activities", has written to the Labour leader. He explains why Mr Miliband's allegations are incorrect, and then says: "I find it extraordinary that you have made claims against me that are without foundation or without contacting me. I challenge you to repeat your allegation outside the House of Commons - or to withdraw it publically."
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    JonnyJimmy said:

    Lord Fink is chairman of iSam :smile:

    http://www.isam.com/management-team/stanley-fink

    A business previously chaired by another prominent Jewish Grammar school boy, one Michael Levy aka Lord Levy, known for donations and fund-raising for the Labour Party.

    Nice one Ed.

  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    edited February 2015
    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    This is an issue of right and wrong though, it doesn't matter how rich one side is. This man worked in Switzerland FFS, what was he supposed to do while there? Pay Swiss tax and UK tax on his income? Is Ed going to go to the Swiss government and demand that all Swiss nationals pay tax to the UK Treasury? It was a stupid comment and now Lord Fink has him over a barrel because it won't stand up to any kind of scrutiny, legal or common sense.

    Also, if you classify Man Group as a hedge fund you are beyond clueless.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    philiph said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    OK Lets have a PM making false accusations, telling lies, that sort of thing.

    You have your values, they would appear to allow defamation in a very public place by a man who is asking to become PM. I think that is an issue.
    I think Roger is quite clear that by openly supporting the Conservatives this chap has to forgo his basic human rights.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @philiph
    The only ones who can definitively tell what the various account holders were up to is the HRMC.
    But they are bound by a gagging order that means it is impossible to find out.
    Very convenient.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    MaxPB said:

    If the challenges to Ed get public traction then it won't be good for him politically, I think it is a big if because the BBC probably won't have the demand from Lord Fink on their website or on the evening bulletin, but if it does then it could get a bit messy as Ed will be forced to retract his statement or be branded a liar/untrustworthy.

    If journalists ever do get around to asking Ed to repeat or withdraw the comments about Fink they might as well ask Ed about the "weaponise the NHS" comment at the same time.

    I think that by the end of the campaign Ed's going to have a long list of awkward questions he wants to duck.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:

    Hopi Sen
    ‏@hopisen
    This is how to interpret my silence on the election campaign so far. https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2tqo0xbe1qafsk3.gif …

    Staunch Labour supporter and ex poster speaks..

    :smiley::smiley::smiley:
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    just read Lord Finks letter to EdM...I think the geek made a very serious mistake...does he have any advisers at all...or could it be Harman.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Does being wealthy mean you have no leagal recourse?
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are probably 1% ahead at the moment, but the problem for them is the campaign. I bet they'd love to have the election without the campaign.

    0.3% so far this week, ELBOW-stylee.
    Among the telephone pollsters (ICM, MORI, Com Res, Ashcroft) the two main parties are exactly level-pegging, on 32%, with UKIP on 14%.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Andy Bell @andybell5news
    Follow
    Labour; will be no backing down on Lord Fink, Ed will make allegations again outside Parliament #HSBC

  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    Smarmeron said:

    @philiph
    The only ones who can definitively tell what the various account holders were up to is the HRMC.
    But they are bound by a gagging order that means it is impossible to find out.
    Very convenient.

    So on what basis could Ed factually make the claim that Lord Fink had evaded tax?

    Either he had information from HMRC or he made it up.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    TGOHF said:

    Hopi Sen
    ‏@hopisen
    This is how to interpret my silence on the election campaign so far. https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2tqo0xbe1qafsk3.gif …

    Is that James Caan?

  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    "Does being wealthy mean you have no leagal recourse? "

    Of course not. That is reserved for the poor and powerless.
    Cuts in legal aid anyone?
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    While you defend fraudsters like Michael Brown?
  • JonnyJimmy
    JonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Beeb have also updated main "Miliband attacks dodgy PM" story with

    "The Labour leader singled out Lord Fink in his attack - but the peer has challenged him to withdraw the remark.
    Lord Fink, who stepped down as Conservative co-treasurer in 2010 and has given the party £3m, is among those named in documents seen by the BBC's Panorama programme, as is Labour donor Lord Paul.
    At Prime Minister's Questions in the Commons, Mr Miliband called on Mr Cameron to say what steps he was going to take "to find out about the tax avoidance activities of Lord Fink".

    In a letter to the Labour leader, Lord Fink said Mr Miliband's allegations, made under the protection of Parliamentary privilege, were "untrue and defamatory".


    He said he had opened an account in Switzerland when he worked there because "I had need of a local bank account to do simple things like receive my Swiss franc salary and pay grocery bills".
    "I find it extraordinary that you have made claims against me that are without foundation or without contacting me," wrote the peer.
    "I challenge you to repeat your allegation outside the House of Commons - or to withdraw it publicly."
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Remind us, how many years did you defend convicted criminal Chris Huhne for?
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Roger..this has nothing to do with hurt feelings as you well know..your lad is a total dork..and he should have his arse sued off.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Not sure this post should stay - not even Roger called him a dodger.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    TGOHF said:

    Andy Bell @andybell5news
    Follow
    Labour; will be no backing down on Lord Fink, Ed will make allegations again outside Parliament #HSBC

    This is going to be interesting.
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited February 2015
    New thread
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Shouldn't that be alleged tax dodgers and avoiders?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    TGOHF said:

    Andy Bell @andybell5news
    Follow
    Labour; will be no backing down on Lord Fink, Ed will make allegations again outside Parliament #HSBC

    ***Get's popcorn***

  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Not sure this post should stay - not even Roger called him a dodger.
    Let Senior have his days in Court, if it comes to it. He could always do a Bercow and settle - must have cost her a small fortune.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Care to name the tax Dodgers that you feel are being defended?
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    GIN1138 said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Roger said:

    Multi millionaire Tory donor Hedge fund manager with houses in Spain France and the Bahamas who donated £2,500,000 to the party of which he was treasurer and from whom he received a Baronecy with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 is threatening to sue Ed Miliband.....I'm sure the public will be wailing for his hurt feelings...........

    The posters on here....... You really couldn't make them up

    Yes roger , you watch the pb tories rush to defend these tax dodgers and avoiders and attack your post .
    Remind us, how many years did you defend convicted criminal Chris Huhne for?
    Not sure he ever stopped ..
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    TGOHF said:

    Andy Bell @andybell5news
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    Labour; will be no backing down on Lord Fink, Ed will make allegations again outside Parliament #HSBC

    The allegations weren't entirely clear. He asked Cameron what steps he would be taking to find out about the tax avoidance activities of Lord Fink. That's what is in the Lord's letter anyway if I've read the correct version.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
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    "He is trying to sell himself as the politician that takes on the vested interests, tax avoiders and big business moguls, so it would be perfect".

    Spot on. This rather tawdry campaign probably accidental is working out better than anyone could imagine. Who would have guessed that these muti millionaire tax exiles would have such thin skin. This is something which is actually being talked about. No one seems to have realized that these people actually exist let alone that they're mostly under David Cameron's wing. I'm really beginning to wonder how far this thing can go. Could it actually win it for Ed?
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Ed Miliband really is a very unpleasant politician. I admit I misjudged him - I thought he was decent but misguided and naive, but it's impossible to regard him as decent any more. Throwing smears around with the abandon he does is not the action of an honourable person.
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Indigo said:

    Sean_F said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    Sean_F said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    FalseFlag said:



    Hasn't raised my hackles, the pathetic attempt by the left to create a division in society that doesn't exist has. All stereotypes are based on truisms, as the toy industry would attest girls love pink.

    Are girls genetically predisposed to like pink, or do we teach them to love it?
    If we surround our children with pink everything, is it surprising that the link between being a girl and liking pink is reinforced?
    Toy manufactures are partly to blame but partly just following the trend. Girls love pink, therefore we sell pink things, thus contributing to the cycle.

    We are complicit in the pinkification of our girls. And I don't just mean the colour. Studies have been done that show we just don't push our girls or let them take the same risks as we do with our boys; even parents who otherwise attempt to ignore gender stereotypes are guilty of these biases.
    It's probably a case of both and, rather than either or.
    There may be a genetic link, I don't claim otherwise. But there are studies around that show inadvertent biases that we cannot ignore such as this one i linked below

    Far from being beyond satire, we are at least partially to blame for the increasing pinkification of our female children,.
    It soundss to me very much like a rich person's problem.

    My nieces are absolutely obsessed with fairies. My nephews aren't. It's probably in part, an inherent preference among girls and boys, and partly cultural conditioning. But, it seems a very minor issue to get bothered about.

    #firstworldproblems

    Who cares, seriously ? Does it actually matter a damn or is it just a false dividing line for people to bang a drum about. Men and women are different, people need to get over it, otherwise lets have the men vs women rugby, or mixed singles finals at Wimbledon. Lefties need to get over this "equality of outcome" idiocy, its not possible, it wont happen, and it makes you look stupid, equality of opportunity is what matters.
    Does it actually matter a damn? This is a question that is worth asking (I don't know, but suspect that it does).

    If it is purely the case that girls in general prefer pink and dolls, and boys blue and cars then probably not. But I suspect that the reinforcement of pink and "girly" things, and conditioned risk aversion etc. has a serious limiting factor on our children's potential.
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Indigo said:

    Sean_F said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    Sean_F said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    FalseFlag said:



    Hasn't raised my hackles, the pathetic attempt by the left to create a division in society that doesn't exist has. All stereotypes are based on truisms, as the toy industry would attest girls love pink.

    Are girls genetically predisposed to like pink, or do we teach them to love it?
    If we surround our children with pink everything, is it surprising that the link between being a girl and liking pink is reinforced?
    Toy manufactures are partly to blame but partly just following the trend. Girls love pink, therefore we sell pink things, thus contributing to the cycle.

    We are complicit in the pinkification of our girls. And I don't just mean the colour. Studies have been done that show we just don't push our girls or let them take the same risks as we do with our boys; even parents who otherwise attempt to ignore gender stereotypes are guilty of these biases.
    It's probably a case of both and, rather than either or.
    There may be a genetic link, I don't claim otherwise. But there are studies around that show inadvertent biases that we cannot ignore such as this one i linked below

    Far from being beyond satire, we are at least partially to blame for the increasing pinkification of our female children,.
    It soundss to me very much like a rich person's problem.

    My nieces are absolutely obsessed with fairies. My nephews aren't. It's probably in part, an inherent preference among girls and boys, and partly cultural conditioning. But, it seems a very minor issue to get bothered about.

    #firstworldproblems

    Who cares, seriously ? Does it actually matter a damn or is it just a false dividing line for people to bang a drum about. Men and women are different, people need to get over it, otherwise lets have the men vs women rugby, or mixed singles finals at Wimbledon. Lefties need to get over this "equality of outcome" idiocy, its not possible, it wont happen, and it makes you look stupid, equality of opportunity is what matters.
    Does it actually matter a damn? This is a question that is worth asking (I don't know, but suspect that it does).

    If it is purely the case that girls in general prefer pink and dolls, and boys blue and cars then probably not. But I suspect that the reinforcement of pink and "girly" things, and conditioned risk aversion etc. has a serious limiting factor on our children's potential.
  • johndnnstn
    johndnnstn Posts: 2
    Please, please, stick to your "own team" Mr Smithson. So few people care enough to have a real properly-thought-out opinion that it is a shame when someone who does switches just on the off-chance that their vote could swing it.
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