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D’Hondt Cry For Me Argentina – politicalbetting.com

Sunday 26th October has one of the more interesting elections of the year, the Argentinian Mid-term Chamber of Deputies and Senate Elections. This is significant for Non-Argentinians in that as well as President Trump several UK Politicians, most notably Badenoch and Farage, are open admirers of President Milei’s programme of massive spending cuts to revive the economy.

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,141
    First!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764
    That pun in the headline.

    As per, on steroids.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764
    And no Welsh person would agree D'Hondt is superior to FPTP. Joke of a system.

    About the only thing worse is list PR, so it's a good job Wales hasn't switched to it for the next Senedd elec...ah.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    On topic.

    When I first visited Argentina, I was surprised at how cold Argentina can be.

    In fact, it's bordering on Chile.

    You're both on fire this morning. Which means we go in Tierra of your puns.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490
    ydoethur said:

    That pun in the headline.

    As per, on steroids.

    It was all Foxy, he's clearly following my subtle style.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    ydoethur said:

    That pun in the headline.

    As per, on steroids.

    It was all Foxy, he's clearly following my subtle style.
    well, it has the hallmarks of your Ushaia-ll style.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,796
    Despite so much economic mismanagement, Argentina just about remains a rich world economy. It shows that there is lot of ruin in a country.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,209
    Wow, a marathon read but very interesting indeed. Thank you and I'll come back to it when I get back this afternoon.

    Have a good day, everyone.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764
    Sean_F said:

    Despite so much economic mismanagement, Argentina just about remains a rich world economy. It shows that there is lot of ruin in a country.

    Well, a country with vast size and immense natural resources, yes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,742
    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,194
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    That pun in the headline.

    As per, on steroids.

    It was all Foxy, he's clearly following my subtle style.
    well, it has the hallmarks of your Ushaia-ll style.
    I have been to Ushaia.

    Most southerly golf course in the world.

    And a sign that says "Fin del Mundo"....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,878
    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    The clocks!
    Was wondering why I felt refreshed despite an early start.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,194
    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    Enjoyed getting back what was stolen off me in the spring...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    Enjoyed getting back what was stolen off me in the spring...
    I knew somebody would fall back on that one.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,885
    Ok, which of you are Charles or Valerie?

    Wonderfully pedantic letter in today’s @FT.

    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1982188165113724960?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490

    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    Enjoyed getting back what was stolen off me in the spring...
    I love it when the clocks go forward.

    Start having sex the moment the clocks go forward and then you can brag to the world that you lasted one hour and thirty seconds.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,729
    edited 8:19AM

    Excellent article Foxy, it was a pleasure to publish this.

    I am delighted you have followed my lead and used a brilliantly subtle pun in your headline.

    It was handed to me on a Plata...

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764
    Foxy said:

    Excellent article Foxy, it was a pleasure to publish this.

    I am delighted you have followed my lead and used a brilliantly subtle pun in your headline.

    Excellent article Foxy, it was a pleasure to publish this.

    I am delighted you have followed my lead and used a brilliantly subtle pun in your headline.

    It was handed to me on a Plata...

    Well, your a guay and no mistake.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,919
    edited 8:18AM
    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,454
    Excellent educational header. Thank you @Foxy
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,505
    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    How can anyone sleep with only 60 days to Christmas? Ten days to bonfire night? Five days to Halloween?

    Two months to Boxing Day? One month to Budget Day, when Rachel Reeves will, unless the press has misled me, raise income tax, make pensioners pay national insurance, impose a mansion tax, increase CGT and make lawyers pay their due instead of hiding behind partnerships? OK, that last one might be popular.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490
    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf
  • isamisam Posts: 42,885
    edited 8:25AM
    But in Southern Spain they have to put up with people drinking Fosters and eating fry ups while reading the currant bun

    London — Masked Muslim radicals gather in White Chapel to claim ownership of the neighbourhood. They are using BLM chants.

    https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1982124897011646735?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    Ed Davey - still making a splash about polluting shits.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,044
    Totally normal $130m anonymous donation:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c891p1pez42o
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,850
    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,505

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    The Parliamentary equivalent of falling in the water.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,635
    Typical woke bastards, wanting to spend money on universities, children’s hospitals and disability benefits. Take a chainsaw to ‘em all.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490
    Meanwhile in Sheffield.



    It's Penistone Road in case you're wondering.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    Totally normal $130m anonymous donation:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c891p1pez42o

    It's not very anonymous, it's Timothy Mellon:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/25/timothy-mellon-donor-military-pay-shutdown

    One wonders how long he will be a billionaire if the shutdown continues...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,729
    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    I think Argentinians dont want to go back to the severe inflation of yesteryear, but are finding the severe austerity very painful. This is quite unlike what Badenoch and Farage want here, with pension freezes etc. Even with inflation down to 2% a month that is painful.

    The currency situation is quite critical as devaluation drives up inflation, and makes repayments due to the IMF even more expensive. On the other hand the artificially high Peso and low tariffs are sucking in imports and damaging domestic industry. Hence the Trump currency support. Ultimately you can't buck the markets forever.

    I see this election as a test of how an electorate is willing to suffer cuts in the interest of long term growth. That is of interest to us all..
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,710
    Are you trolling us, Foxy, by the use of the first map with the Falklands included in the Argentinian territory?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,742

    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
    So government interfering in markets doesn’t work? Who would have thought that!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,505
    isam said:

    But in Southern Spain they have to put up with people drinking Fosters and eating fry ups while reading the currant bun

    London — Masked Muslim radicals gather in White Chapel to claim ownership of the neighbourhood. They are using BLM chants.

    https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1982124897011646735?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Classic stuff. Remember the Battle of Cable Street? Protecting our vulnerable and subsequently grateful community is how protection rackets and political movements start, in extremis even terrorist groups.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,635

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,412

    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
    A currency with a high value in a fixed exchange tends to be reported as 'strong' when in reality it is often overvalued and weak.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,525
    Detectives investigating the £76m heist at the Louvre have uncovered evidence of an inside job, The Telegraph understands.

    Sources close to the investigation claim that digital forensic evidence shows a member of security was in contact before the heist with individuals thought to be the perpetrators.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,635

    isam said:

    But in Southern Spain they have to put up with people drinking Fosters and eating fry ups while reading the currant bun

    London — Masked Muslim radicals gather in White Chapel to claim ownership of the neighbourhood. They are using BLM chants.

    https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1982124897011646735?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Classic stuff. Remember the Battle of Cable Street? Protecting our vulnerable and subsequently grateful community is how protection rackets and political movements start, in extremis even terrorist groups.
    Proud to say that Scotland (British section) is taking cultural displays beyond fry ups and Fosters (far too much of both by the looks of it), no doubt to the mystification of the local population.

    https://youtu.be/32ZcuN1mDrM?si=CG8ucY-3GvXuR7iH
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,764

    Detectives investigating the £76m heist at the Louvre have uncovered evidence of an inside job, The Telegraph understands.

    Sources close to the investigation claim that digital forensic evidence shows a member of security was in contact before the heist with individuals thought to be the perpetrators.

    Really?

    How much more help did this guard give than the museum's management, who seem to have abandoned all rational safeguards in the name of cost-cutting?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,850

    Typical woke bastards, wanting to spend money on universities, children’s hospitals and disability benefits. Take a chainsaw to ‘em all.

    Ah yes - “This is good. Therefore we must have it. The ability to pay is irrelevant”

    The result of the alternation between the left and the Peronists in Argentina has been economic collapse. There were Argentinian economic refugees in *Peru*.

    Some years before the Greek collapse, a Professor of economics at Athens university said that the government needed to reduce the deficit. Not eliminate it. He was hounded out, with serious death threats made against him. The Verruca joined in - claiming that the Prof deserved it, since he was advocating “Defying the Will of the People”.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,476

    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
    A currency with a high value in a fixed exchange tends to be reported as 'strong' when in reality it is often overvalued and weak.
    Yes, I'm sure that was true of the Mark and the Swiss Franc in the 70s and 80s.

    To be fair, sterling is for example 7.5% up against the Kiwi Dollar this year - I was getting NZ$2.24 when I was there, I was nearly NZ$2.35 briefly last week but is back to NZ$2.32 now. The New Zealand economy is not without its issues which goes to show so-called centre right Governments have as few answers as so-called centre-left ones.

    The kind of "supply side reforms" so beloved by many from the Thatcherite days aren't going to fly now but they keep being repeated as a kind of mantra. Recognising that BOTH tax rises AND spending cuts are probably the way to pay the bill is the correct approach and no one will like it but, absent any other practical, workable, legal and effective alternatives, that's where we'll have to go.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,694
    Sandpit said:

    Hope you all enjoyed the extra hour.

    Our dog didn't. "Where's my breakfast???"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,474

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,474
    ydoethur said:

    Detectives investigating the £76m heist at the Louvre have uncovered evidence of an inside job, The Telegraph understands.

    Sources close to the investigation claim that digital forensic evidence shows a member of security was in contact before the heist with individuals thought to be the perpetrators.

    Really?

    How much more help did this guard give than the museum's management, who seem to have abandoned all rational safeguards in the name of cost-cutting?
    Identify the areas not covered by cctv
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,490

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    Good morning

    When even Jon Sopel on Sky says people are 'laughing at the government' they need to really worry

  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,476

    isam said:

    But in Southern Spain they have to put up with people drinking Fosters and eating fry ups while reading the currant bun

    London — Masked Muslim radicals gather in White Chapel to claim ownership of the neighbourhood. They are using BLM chants.

    https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1982124897011646735?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Classic stuff. Remember the Battle of Cable Street? Protecting our vulnerable and subsequently grateful community is how protection rackets and political movements start, in extremis even terrorist groups.
    It's a part of the world I know and when you get off at Whitechapel you very much get the sense you're not in Kansas any longer. Tayyab's is however exceptionally good for food and I was well looked after at The Royal London Hospital.

    What I don't know is if these "protesters" are newer generation Bengalis and as I reported there has been a lot of tension between the established Bengali community and newer more conservative arrivals from Bangladesh (there was some hope with the downfall of Sheikh Hasina, tensions might ease. It may be these Muslims aren't from Bangladesh at all but from other parts of Africa and Asia.

    The local politics of this is whether Rahman and Aspire can consolidate their hold on Tower Hamlets next May. They won a majority in 2022 but defections have eroded that and they currently have 22 councillors with the combined opposition on 23 (Lab 16, Ind 5, Con 1, Green 1). There's also the marginal Bethnal Green & Stepney parliamentary seat.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,292
    edited 9:01AM

    Good morning

    When even Jon Sopel on Sky says people are 'laughing at the government' they need to really worry

    If they were just laughing at them, it wouldn’t be as bad as it is.

    I think people have given up on this government, particularly Starmer and Reeves. There’s just a general sense of distain. The budget is just going to hammer the point home even more.

    A Labour reset won’t work unless the fundamentals change. I suspect that won’t happen without change at the top, though there is still a chance they can claw some support back if some key metrics improve in the next 12- 24 months.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494
    Foxy said:



    Excellent article Foxy, it was a pleasure to publish this.

    I am delighted you have followed my lead and used a brilliantly subtle pun in your headline.

    It was handed to me on a Plata...

    It could all be summarised by saying both politics and the economy in Argentina are pretty messi.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,476
    Morning all :)

    Not seen much mention of the two polls published overnight.

    First, Opinium (fieldwork, 24/10 and 25/10, changes from two weeks ago):

    ➡️ REF: 30% (-2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON: 18% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (+2)

    Then we have an Ashcroft poll which is in the Mail on Sunday:

    Reform: 29%
    Labour: 19%
    Conservative: 19%
    Green: 17%
    Liberal Democrats: 11%

    That looks the highest Green poll number for some time.

    The "split" (Ref/Con vs Lab/LD/Green) is 48-44 with Opinium and 48-47 with Ashcroft.

    There's also been a Scottish poll by Survation - details:

    Constituency / List %s:
    34 / 29 SNP
    22 / 20 Reform
    18 / 17 Labour
    10 / 12 Tories
    8 / 10 LibDems
    7 / 10 Greens
    1 / 2 Alba

    Scottish Election Study seat calculator gives:
    55 SNP
    22 Reform
    19 Labour
    12 Tory
    11 Greens
    10 LD
    0 Alba

    Make of all this nonsense what you will.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    It seems Wes Streeting is using the private sector to reduce waiting lists

    And why not, simply common senses but what would labour say if the conservatives did this ?

    And maybe that speaks to the tribal nature of politics acting against the public interest rather than doing the right thing
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,635
    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    Good header, Foxy. Educative for me. I hope Millei gets the votes to run his country effectively
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,369

    Good morning

    When even Jon Sopel on Sky says people are 'laughing at the government' they need to really worry

    The next reset needs to be without Starmer.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Not seen much mention of the two polls published overnight.

    First, Opinium (fieldwork, 24/10 and 25/10, changes from two weeks ago):

    ➡️ REF: 30% (-2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON: 18% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (+2)

    Then we have an Ashcroft poll which is in the Mail on Sunday:

    Reform: 29%
    Labour: 19%
    Conservative: 19%
    Green: 17%
    Liberal Democrats: 11%

    That looks the highest Green poll number for some time.

    The "split" (Ref/Con vs Lab/LD/Green) is 48-44 with Opinium and 48-47 with Ashcroft.

    There's also been a Scottish poll by Survation - details:

    Constituency / List %s:
    34 / 29 SNP
    22 / 20 Reform
    18 / 17 Labour
    10 / 12 Tories
    8 / 10 LibDems
    7 / 10 Greens
    1 / 2 Alba

    Scottish Election Study seat calculator gives:
    55 SNP
    22 Reform
    19 Labour
    12 Tory
    11 Greens
    10 LD
    0 Alba

    Make of all this nonsense what you will.

    What happens to the Green vote may be decisive.

    Will it hold in the mid teens if Gaza is less of an issue come 2028?

    Regardless, I'd expect a third of it to go the most likely candidate to beat Reform, which will most often be Labour.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,369
    geoffw said:

    Good header, Foxy. Educative for me. I hope Millei gets the votes to run his country effectively

    That wasn't the conclusion I reached.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020

    Good morning

    When even Jon Sopel on Sky says people are 'laughing at the government' they need to really worry

    The next reset needs to be without Starmer.
    The point was made that Hartlepool nearly ended Starmer's leadership and will Caerphilly have a similar effect ?

    I think that with Lucy Powell now deputy leader with a very different agenda, and next May, does pose a genuine threat to Starmer's position
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,850
    a

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    He is completely safe - since he is living in your head, rent free.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,785
    Great header Foxy. I'm slightly conflicted on Milei. Sound money and low inflation are prerequisites for a successful economy so if that's what Milei is mainly about - bringing that to Argentina - I'd be rooting for him. Otoh an excellent rule of thumb to navigate by in today's world is that anyone strongly supported by Donald Trump and his mob should be viewed with distaste and the utmost suspicion. I think this latter just shades it for me. So I hope he comes a cropper.
  • stodge said:

    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
    A currency with a high value in a fixed exchange tends to be reported as 'strong' when in reality it is often overvalued and weak.
    Yes, I'm sure that was true of the Mark and the Swiss Franc in the 70s and 80s.

    To be fair, sterling is for example 7.5% up against the Kiwi Dollar this year - I was getting NZ$2.24 when I was there, I was nearly NZ$2.35 briefly last week but is back to NZ$2.32 now. The New Zealand economy is not without its issues which goes to show so-called centre right Governments have as few answers as so-called centre-left ones.

    The kind of "supply side reforms" so beloved by many from the Thatcherite days aren't going to fly now but they keep being repeated as a kind of mantra. Recognising that BOTH tax rises AND spending cuts are probably the way to pay the bill is the correct approach and no one will like it but, absent any other practical, workable, legal and effective alternatives, that's where we'll have to go.
    The NZ $ was at £1.92 in November 2023. It is remarkable that a sound government has failed to bring it back in line against the £. I suspect there is a worry that the coalition might not make it through next year's elections, being as how it is a mixture of National, David Seymour and Winston Peters. Personally I think Chris Luxton is the best thing to have happened to NZ in a generation. But the Labour leader was one of the few rational members of Ahern's cabinet and he doesn't frighten the sheep like the rest of Labour do.

    There are big philosophical problems with NZ / Aoteroa at the moment. The Treaty of Waitangi is racist by any definition even if it isn't in practice. There are almost as many Chinese / Pacific / Indian as the are Maori. The Maori are protected by the Treaty, the Chinese are not. That is why when you go into any motel or pub, especially on South Island you will be served by Chinese, never by Maori. It is easy to see David Seymour as no more than a thinking Kiwi's Nigel Farage but he really does have some depth. I desperately hope for NZ's sake the coalition holds on after the next elections. The struggles of the NZ$ suggest the markets think it probably won't.

    Chris Luxton is the one person I would rather have leading the UK Tories over Kemi.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,785

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    It's totally ridiculous.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    kinabalu said:

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    It's totally ridiculous.
    If you cannot see the political gotcha this is for the media and the utter shambles for the government then you are in denial
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,635

    a

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    He is completely safe - since he is living in your head, rent free.
    Since one way or another we pay for the state broadcaster which is pumping out hourly bulletins on the subject (which is also being discussed on the Paddy O’Connell flummery), rent is being paid.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,785

    kinabalu said:

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    It's totally ridiculous.
    If you cannot see the political gotcha this is for the media and the utter shambles for the government then you are in denial
    Oh I see alright.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,474

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
    That’s a different argument.

    You said it was “dodging”.

    Complying with the law is not “dodging”.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,932

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    We begin to see why the Prince of Wales has chosen a relatively small mansion to move into. The Monarchy is actually in some considerable danger as a result of Andrew's various sins. Those who witter on about "our future King" may learn a nasty lesson about "events". In general we are are prepared to tolerate a hard working, decent Royal family, even if we know the flummery and the grovelling are rather silly. If however, letting light into the "magic" reveals a Bluebeard's cave of greedy and self serving shits, then they will be out bag and baggage. Edward VIII, Princess Margaret, Andrew- in fact the Royal house has been shaky for the last century and it is obvious, even to the "firm" that a crisis is coming. While not as serious as the problems of the Norwegian royal house, the crisis in the Windsors is going to grow and support for the Monarchy will fall substantially. It is time we had a grown up conversation about the rights and duties of the Monarchy, and while we're about it over haul all of our creaking, nineteenth century constitution. That, I suspect, is what Ed Davey is intending in his current line of asking for a debate on the current crisis.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,327
    Millei and the Peronists taking two to tango for the dreadful state in Argentina, would you say?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    edited 9:26AM
    Based on the trend in the recent Buenos Aires provincial elections Milei's LLA will indeed gain votes and seats but his Peronist opponents will gain even more votes and seats with minor parties getting squeezed. However as the article says as long as Milei's party gets a 1/3 of the seats in the Argentine legislature he will have a veto power which is his realistic objective (much like conservative evangelicals in the C of E Synod have been able to block same sex marriage and stand alone services rather than prayers within services for same sex couples by getting at least 1/3 of the seats in Synod elections).

    Milei has also had some success in reducing inflation and borrowing and cutting the deficit in Argentina by slashing the size of the civil service and state and growing the economy. Hence his popularity with Trump, Badenoch and Farage and Meloni. The opposition though have claimed he has led to weakened public services, job cuts and reduced wage growth and will be hoping that sees gains by them tonight
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    edited 9:24AM
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    It's totally ridiculous.
    If you cannot see the political gotcha this is for the media and the utter shambles for the government then you are in denial
    Oh I see alright.
    I remember the years of attacks on the conservatives, Boris, Truss and Sunak and no amount of wishing changed anything, as they were the government and they had no choice but to accept they were unpopular and everything would be another ' gotcha'

    And the escapee has been arrested
  • isamisam Posts: 42,885

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
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    𝐎𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐛 𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐉𝐮𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧 𝐊𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐩 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧. But as of now, there’s been no contact.


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  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494

    kinabalu said:

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    It's totally ridiculous.
    If you cannot see the political gotcha this is for the media and the utter shambles for the government then you are in denial
    The wider government - sure.
    Executive of this particular government - not really.

    This is a gigantic and ridiculous f*** up of incompetence reflective of much of modern UK life. Managers cut things to the bone, staff get unmotivated, rely on processes and procedures they don't understand which creates an environment without common sense and the potential for mistakes like this to happen.

    The reality is simple, if we want a good justice system, we need to both pay for it and pay attention to it, not just blame the PM/Home Secretary when things inevitably go wrong.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,474
    FF43 said:

    Millei and the Peronists taking two to tango for the dreadful state in Argentina, would you say?

    Oh what a circus, but the dice are rolling

    Will it soon be another suitcase in the hall for Millei?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,729
    boulay said:

    Are you trolling us, Foxy, by the use of the first map with the Falklands included in the Argentinian territory?

    Yes, I did spot that, and the Antarctic peninsula
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,327
    edited 9:27AM
    kinabalu said:

    Great header Foxy. I'm slightly conflicted on Milei. Sound money and low inflation are prerequisites for a successful economy so if that's what Milei is mainly about - bringing that to Argentina - I'd be rooting for him. Otoh an excellent rule of thumb to navigate by in today's world is that anyone strongly supported by Donald Trump and his mob should be viewed with distaste and the utmost suspicion. I think this latter just shades it for me. So I hope he comes a cropper.

    Extreme austerity takes a lot of political capital, which Milei has wasted. Despite my distaste for the man, someone needs to take the hit, and if it's Milei so be it. Problem he's no more competent than the others.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,517

    The BBC are utterly obsessed with this sex pest migrant who seems to have been set free very much against his will. No doubt they’ll be reporting shortly on pitchfork wielding vigilantes inspired by their hysteria.
    Anyone on the darker side of the racist colour chart should avoid carrying a shopping bag decorated with avocados.

    I'd quite like that bag. Jaunty.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494
    isam said:

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
    Exclusive 💣

    ▪️Liverpool are concerned
    ▪️ Jurgen Klopp would say ‘yes’

    Liverpool owners/officials are really starting to get concerned over the team's performances, not just the results.

    Arne Slot’s job is safe for now, but if performances don’t pick up, they won’t hesitate to make a change mid-season.

    𝐎𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐛 𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐉𝐮𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧 𝐊𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐩 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧. But as of now, there’s been no contact.


    https://x.com/indykaila/status/1982372146996269263?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Big Ange and Russell Martin are both available.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    Escaped Epping migrant captured in Finsbury Park by police and arrested so will return to jail to serve the remainder of his sentence for sexual assault
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Escaped Epping migrant captured in Finsbury Park by police and arrested so will return to jail to serve the remainder of his sentence for sexual assault

    He didn't escape - he was released....
    And refused re-entry.....multiple times.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,620
    edited 9:31AM
    isam said:

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
    Exclusive 💣

    ▪️Liverpool are concerned
    ▪️ Jurgen Klopp would say ‘yes’

    Liverpool owners/officials are really starting to get concerned over the team's performances, not just the results.

    Arne Slot’s job is safe for now, but if performances don’t pick up, they won’t hesitate to make a change mid-season.

    𝐎𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐛 𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐉𝐮𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧 𝐊𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐩 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧. But as of now, there’s been no contact.


    https://x.com/indykaila/status/1982372146996269263?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Liverpool bought too many players at the same time.

    Also blaming Newcastle for Isak not being match fit was pointing the blame at the wrong place.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    HYUFD said:

    Escaped Epping migrant captured in Finsbury Park by police and arrested so will return to jail to serve the remainder of his sentence for sexual assault

    Who said he was to be returned to jail to serve the remains of his sentence ?

    He was being transferred for deportation and I assume he will be deported very quickly
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 50

    Cicero said:

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    We begin to see why the Prince of Wales has chosen a relatively small mansion to move into. The Monarchy is actually in some considerable danger as a result of Andrew's various sins. Those who witter on about "our future King" may learn a nasty lesson about "events". In general we are are prepared to tolerate a hard working, decent Royal family, even if we know the flummery and the grovelling are rather silly. If however, letting light into the "magic" reveals a Bluebeard's cave of greedy and self serving shits, then they will be out bag and baggage. Edward VIII, Princess Margaret, Andrew- in fact the Royal house has been shaky for the last century and it is obvious, even to the "firm" that a crisis is coming. While not as serious as the problems of the Norwegian royal house, the crisis in the Windsors is going to grow and support for the Monarchy will fall substantially. It is time we had a grown up conversation about the rights and duties of the Monarchy, and while we're about it over haul all of our creaking, nineteenth century constitution. That, I suspect, is what Ed Davey is intending in his current line of asking for a debate on the current crisis.
    I think you're overegging the cake.

    The alternative to the monarchy is having a political head of state. Compare and contrast support for the King and support for Starmer.
    And these people causing the problems arent the 'Monarchy'. The Monarchy is the monarch and his/her next in line. And if the person next in line is such a bad egg Parliament will choose someone else in line who is suitable.
    King Charles and Camilla are well liked, Prince William and Kate are well liked, and as far as we know so far their children are also adorable.

    No change any time soon.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,476

    stodge said:

    Fishing said:

    Interesting header, thanks.

    As to the elections, I have no expertise to add beyond what is comprehensively covered above.

    I've been following Argentina's economy closely and I think Milei, though incredibly brave and right in most respects, will ultimately be thwarted by the nationwide obsession with the dollar exchange rate as a mark of success, which he shares to some extent. Beyond the rarified realm of economic models, a classic sign of an overvalued exchange rate is when Argentinians go shopping en masse, in, or start to retire to, Brazil and Paraguay, and I understand we're seeing quite a lot of that now, But I could be wrong, especially if the dollar weakens significantly.

    However, if Milei defies the massive odds against him and reignites a sustainable recovery, it would be yet another small nail in the coffin of our dismal government's illiterate tax and spend economic policy. Would people be saying, as they did with economic miracle West Germany after WWII, "I thought we won the war"?

    Good luck to him.

    Trying to fight exchange rates is an old, old thing.

    Post WWII, the U.K. spent loan after loan from the US on trying to support the pound.

    While growing up in the 80s, every tip pot dictator had fixed exchange rate, with a collapsed economy and a lively black market.

    Then there was the ERM comedy.

    I never understood it. The pressure is there. The cost of holding an artificial exchange rate is large. So you run out of funds and then the movement happens anyway.
    A currency with a high value in a fixed exchange tends to be reported as 'strong' when in reality it is often overvalued and weak.
    Yes, I'm sure that was true of the Mark and the Swiss Franc in the 70s and 80s.

    To be fair, sterling is for example 7.5% up against the Kiwi Dollar this year - I was getting NZ$2.24 when I was there, I was nearly NZ$2.35 briefly last week but is back to NZ$2.32 now. The New Zealand economy is not without its issues which goes to show so-called centre right Governments have as few answers as so-called centre-left ones.

    The kind of "supply side reforms" so beloved by many from the Thatcherite days aren't going to fly now but they keep being repeated as a kind of mantra. Recognising that BOTH tax rises AND spending cuts are probably the way to pay the bill is the correct approach and no one will like it but, absent any other practical, workable, legal and effective alternatives, that's where we'll have to go.
    The NZ $ was at £1.92 in November 2023. It is remarkable that a sound government has failed to bring it back in line against the £. I suspect there is a worry that the coalition might not make it through next year's elections, being as how it is a mixture of National, David Seymour and Winston Peters. Personally I think Chris Luxton is the best thing to have happened to NZ in a generation. But the Labour leader was one of the few rational members of Ahern's cabinet and he doesn't frighten the sheep like the rest of Labour do.

    There are big philosophical problems with NZ / Aoteroa at the moment. The Treaty of Waitangi is racist by any definition even if it isn't in practice. There are almost as many Chinese / Pacific / Indian as the are Maori. The Maori are protected by the Treaty, the Chinese are not. That is why when you go into any motel or pub, especially on South Island you will be served by Chinese, never by Maori. It is easy to see David Seymour as no more than a thinking Kiwi's Nigel Farage but he really does have some depth. I desperately hope for NZ's sake the coalition holds on after the next elections. The struggles of the NZ$ suggest the markets think it probably won't.

    Chris Luxton is the one person I would rather have leading the UK Tories over Kemi.
    Luxon (actually) was once CEO of Air New Zealand and doesn't have a good reputation in a lot of the country form his time there - in a country as large as NZ, the domestic airline functions almost as the trains do here and if they aren't going well, people notice and moan.

    I have to say our experience of Air NZ internal flights on our last visit was very positive and the news the former "direct" service from London to Auckland (via LAX), which was withdrawn around the pandemic, may be re-instated soon from LGW rather than LHR has pleased Mrs Stodge no end.

    On the Maori question, Seymour's attempts to redefine the Treaty of Waitangi have gone down like a lump of cold sick with a lot of Kiwis and not just the Maori. Historically, the Maori were always in the North Island though your comments about encountering Chinese (more likely Cambodian or Vietnamese) people in the South could equally apply to Auckland and parts of the north as well. One of the big bakery and cafe chains is called Angkor Wat which is a clue.

    Seymour is considered to be stirring things up and has driven Te Pati Maori even more into the Labour/Green camp.

    Peters is NZ's answer to Farage though he's a far better political operator than our Nige. NZF plays the social conservative card (ACT are more economic conservatives, the best analogy would be the German FDP perhaps). Luxon has had to balance these two often competing elements and it hasn't been easy.

    In October 2023, National beat Labour 38-27 but now Labour lead 35-29 so that's an 8.5% swing. On those numbers, National lose 13 seats and Labour gain nine and with little change among the other parties (oddly enough, NZ is almost where we are, two main parties and three minor but significant groups), Labour's coalition would have a 61-60 edge over the National-led bloc.

    To be fair, there's still a year before the election (almost exactly) and a lot can and doubtless will happen but for me the story of recent NZ politics has been the resurrection of the Starmer-like Labour leader Chris Hipkins (they are all called Chris in NZ politics apparently) who oversaw the defeat in 2023 but has survived and now looks the next possible PM.

    The current rate by the way is 43p for every NZ dollar or NZ$2.32 for every pound.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,292
    HYUFD said:

    Escaped Epping migrant captured in Finsbury Park by police and arrested so will return to jail to serve the remainder of his sentence for sexual assault

    Sigh of relief in Whitehall.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,020
    eek said:

    isam said:

    I think I might have to join the Lib Dems.

    Prince Andrew faces humiliation at historic Commons debate

    MPs plan to defy convention and discuss stripping Andrew of his titles for good as pressure to leave Royal Lodge builds


    Prince Andrew faces a pincer movement from parliament and Buckingham Palace to strip him of his dukedom and banish him from his 30-room mansion in Windsor.

    MPs are set to discuss Andrew’s future, defying years of convention that usually prevents politicians from ­criticising the royal family.

    The Liberal Democrats have ­signalled that they intend to use their next Opposition Day debate to allow members to consider officially removing Andrew’s Duke of York title and discuss his continued use of Royal Lodge. Although such debates are rarely binding, it will allow the Commons to “express its will” and heap pressure on the ­government and the King to act...

    ...By convention, MPs are not allowed to criticise royals in the Commons. Opposition Day debates are one of the only ways the conduct of a royal can be raised. According to Erskine May, the guide to parliamentary procedure, such a debate permits “critical language of a kind which would not be allowed in speeches in debate”.

    Sir Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has separately called for Andrew and his landlord, the Crown Estate, to give evidence to MPs on an influential select committee about the terms of the lease on Royal Lodge.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-faces-humiliation-at-historic-commons-debate-x7rgzcqbf

    If the pincer movement includes Buckingham Palaces I hope karma bites them on the arse. Examining Andrew’s messy finances might open a whole can of worms regarding their own pecuniary arrangements.
    Indeed, we need to talk about the King dodging inheritance tax.
    It’s not dodging - there’s a specific exemption in the law. You may not agree with that, but the Queen’s legacy was full compliant with the rules
    She only started paying income tax when she was nearly 70.

    The wealth is based on exemptions that ordinary people are not eligible for, where's the justice in that?
    Exclusive 💣

    ▪️Liverpool are concerned
    ▪️ Jurgen Klopp would say ‘yes’

    Liverpool owners/officials are really starting to get concerned over the team's performances, not just the results.

    Arne Slot’s job is safe for now, but if performances don’t pick up, they won’t hesitate to make a change mid-season.

    𝐎𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐛 𝐨𝐰𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐉𝐮𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧 𝐊𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐩 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧. But as of now, there’s been no contact.


    https://x.com/indykaila/status/1982372146996269263?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Liverpool bought too many players at the same time.

    Also blaming Newcastle for Isak not being match fit was pointing the blame at the wrong place.
    Apparently Slot is blaming teams for changing tactics when they play against them

    That's hilarious
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    edited 9:37AM
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Not seen much mention of the two polls published overnight.

    First, Opinium (fieldwork, 24/10 and 25/10, changes from two weeks ago):

    ➡️ REF: 30% (-2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON: 18% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (+2)

    Then we have an Ashcroft poll which is in the Mail on Sunday:

    Reform: 29%
    Labour: 19%
    Conservative: 19%
    Green: 17%
    Liberal Democrats: 11%

    That looks the highest Green poll number for some time.

    The "split" (Ref/Con vs Lab/LD/Green) is 48-44 with Opinium and 48-47 with Ashcroft.

    There's also been a Scottish poll by Survation - details:

    Constituency / List %s:
    34 / 29 SNP
    22 / 20 Reform
    18 / 17 Labour
    10 / 12 Tories
    8 / 10 LibDems
    7 / 10 Greens
    1 / 2 Alba

    Scottish Election Study seat calculator gives:
    55 SNP
    22 Reform
    19 Labour
    12 Tory
    11 Greens
    10 LD
    0 Alba

    Make of all this nonsense what you will.

    Looks like Reform and Labour down, the Greens up and the LDs and Tories holding steady on the Opinium and Ashcroft poll.
    30% and 29% for Reform with those 2 polls is well below the 36% they got even in Caerphilly so Farage's party remains very vulnerable to tactical voting against them given they failed to win in the Caerphilly by election.

    SNP down to just 55 seats at Holyrood Survation which would be their lowest number of MSPs since 2007. A unionist majority just 3 MSPs short too, so if some tactical votes for Labour on the constituency vote to beat the SNP in seats whose boundaries overlap with the seats Labour won at Westminster in Scotland last year could well be achieved.

    Labour and the Scottish Conservatives both projected to get their lowest number of MSPs since Holyrood was founded in 1999 with Reform and the Greens the main gainers along with the LDs

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,743
    I see the asylum seeking nonce has been recaptured.

    As broadcast on the BBC

    How dare they cover a story of public interest as it makes some uncomfortable !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    Kamala Harris being interviewed on Kuenssberg now
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,537

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    That pun in the headline.

    As per, on steroids.

    It was all Foxy, he's clearly following my subtle style.
    well, it has the hallmarks of your Ushaia-ll style.
    I have been to Ushaia.

    Most southerly golf course in the world.

    And a sign that says "Fin del Mundo"....
    You travelled to the end of the world, to visit ... a golf course ??
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,743
    HYUFD said:

    Kamala Harris being interviewed on Kuenssberg now

    LauraK quite fawning over her.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,121
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Not seen much mention of the two polls published overnight.

    First, Opinium (fieldwork, 24/10 and 25/10, changes from two weeks ago):

    ➡️ REF: 30% (-2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-2)
    🌳 CON: 18% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (+2)

    Then we have an Ashcroft poll which is in the Mail on Sunday:

    Reform: 29%
    Labour: 19%
    Conservative: 19%
    Green: 17%
    Liberal Democrats: 11%

    That looks the highest Green poll number for some time.

    The "split" (Ref/Con vs Lab/LD/Green) is 48-44 with Opinium and 48-47 with Ashcroft.

    There's also been a Scottish poll by Survation - details:

    Constituency / List %s:
    34 / 29 SNP
    22 / 20 Reform
    18 / 17 Labour
    10 / 12 Tories
    8 / 10 LibDems
    7 / 10 Greens
    1 / 2 Alba

    Scottish Election Study seat calculator gives:
    55 SNP
    22 Reform
    19 Labour
    12 Tory
    11 Greens
    10 LD
    0 Alba

    Make of all this nonsense what you will.

    Looks like Reform and Labour down, the Greens up and the LDs and Tories holding steady on the Opinium and Ashcroft poll.
    30% and 29% for Reform with those 2 polls is well below the 36% they got even in Caerphilly so Farage's party remains very vulnerable to tactical voting against them given they failed to win in the Caerphilly by election.

    SNP down to just 55 seats at Holyrood Survation which would be their lowest number of MSPs since 2007. A unionist majority just 3 MSPs short too, so if some tactical votes for Labour on the constituency vote to beat the SNP in seats whose boundaries overlap with the seats Labour won at Westminster in Scotland last year could well be achieved.

    Labour and the Scottish Conservatives both projected to get their lowest number of MSPs since Holyrood was founded in 1999 with Reform and the Greens the main gainers along with the LDs

    Hmm, interesting: a pro-indy majority. Very small though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,742
    edited 9:40AM
    HYUFD said:

    Kamala Harris being interviewed on Kuenssberg now

    Whose fault was it this time?
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