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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,093

    Andy_JS said:

    As an aside:

    Is traitors the pinnacle of reality TV, and now the format is finished? It seems to have reduced the concept to its essentials, removing anything extraneous, besides some rather fun Crystal Maze style challenges.

    Traitors is the first reality TV show that's interested me since the first series of Big Brother in 2000.
    The original Big Brother was an interesting experiment in social interaction. It degenerated into a goon show quickly after that.
    I think Castaway came before Big Brother? That was a bit of a disaster though.
    Tom Hanks was great.
    You can't go wrong really - just cook them low and slow with whatever takes your fancy. And two good shanks at £13.50 in Waitrose.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,262
    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    To be fair, it's almost their duty to pitch for every penny they can. The real failure is those appointing, for failing to ask "can we get someone almost as good but considerably cheaper?"

    After all, that's what happens in most other commercial negotiations.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As an aside:

    Is traitors the pinnacle of reality TV, and now the format is finished? It seems to have reduced the concept to its essentials, removing anything extraneous, besides some rather fun Crystal Maze style challenges.

    Traitors is the first reality TV show that's interested me since the first series of Big Brother in 2000.
    It interests me as much as Big Brother, I’m a Celeb and TOWIE.

    That is to say, not one iota.
    Have you tried watching it? I didn't bother for the first 2 series because I just assumed it would be rubbish.
    I watch practically no TV. Not even much live sport these days.
    I've just rewatched the Watergate doc on iplayer. In those dark days of the 70s a president abusing the power of his office was brought to account. The system worked. Amazing how huge advances have been made in most fields of human endeavour since then but democratic politics has regressed.
    Nixon wasn't really dealt with as he should have been. He conspired with a foreign power to undermine the US. It's pretty hard for a US President to do worse than that. I can only presume that there's an American squeamishness about historical European government remedies.
    Starmer says hold my beer.
    Er, Trump I think you mean.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,580

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    To be fair, it's almost their duty to pitch for every penny they can. The real failure is those appointing, for failing to ask "can we get someone almost as good but considerably cheaper?"

    After all, that's what happens in most other commercial negotiations.
    How many large companies are essentially owned by pension funds and banks, whose CEOs do not want people asking such awkward questions?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As an aside:

    Is traitors the pinnacle of reality TV, and now the format is finished? It seems to have reduced the concept to its essentials, removing anything extraneous, besides some rather fun Crystal Maze style challenges.

    Traitors is the first reality TV show that's interested me since the first series of Big Brother in 2000.
    It interests me as much as Big Brother, I’m a Celeb and TOWIE.

    That is to say, not one iota.
    Have you tried watching it? I didn't bother for the first 2 series because I just assumed it would be rubbish.
    I watch practically no TV. Not even much live sport these days.
    I've just rewatched the Watergate doc on iplayer. In those dark days of the 70s a president abusing the power of his office was brought to account. The system worked. Amazing how huge advances have been made in most fields of human endeavour since then but democratic politics has regressed.
    Nixon wasn't really dealt with as he should have been. He conspired with a foreign power to undermine the US. It's pretty hard for a US President to do worse than that. I can only presume that there's an American squeamishness about historical European government remedies.
    That Vietnam incident, you mean?
    Not sure about the 'that', but certainly he conspired with North Vietnam to delay peace talks in order that he'd be more likely to get re-elected. (This may not be quite right, but the gist of it is - he betrayed his country for his own political ends)
    Yes that's what I meant. Truly appalling.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,550

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    Even a Herman Miller Aeron with all the trimmings isn't worth that much....
    They last a long time though - I've has mine for 24 years...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,580
    More inept tinkering at the edges:

    University tuition fees in England to rise with inflation every year from 2026
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkzj87n8rdo

    The last serious attempt to sort out university finances was the Browne report, written by a man who should have been in prison. It was a bad review, and what little good it might have done was fatally undermined by Gove’s insane decision to allow the Russell Group to recruit far past their capacity.

    But at least it was an attempt. This is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,883
    edited October 20
    So at the next general election at present the weak and useless PM Starmer will be facing the dangerously good racist Farage and the weak Badenoch and Ed Davey who half the voters haven't heard of but those who have see as good.

    Not great for any of them but Farage and Davey the only 2 of them with some significant positive comments will encourage Reformers and LDs
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,883
    Cicero said:

    The 4th CCP plenum is meeting in Beijing until Thursday. Some big rumours, following the arrest of 9 Generals over the past few days. Seems like Xi Jinping is facing a very determined challenge. Not convinced by some of the more outlandish suggestions from commentators, but the proposals for the next, 15th, five year plan could have some very important impacts on the global economy.

    Of course if some of these rumours are actually true, it may not be Xi making the announcements.

    Xi has been President of China for 12 years, any leader in power over a decade can be at risk of losing their office, even dictators of one party states
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,687
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    Even a Herman Miller Aeron with all the trimmings isn't worth that much....
    They last a long time though - I've has mine for 24 years...
    And no Aeron chair has ever advised the company to go all in on tulip bulbs…. And demanded a pay rise for said genius. After the bubble…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,883
    edited October 20

    Davey's word cloud is surely the best: most people don't know him but the ones that do like him. Farage has strong positives but also extremely strong negatives. "Dangerous" and "racist" are worse things to be thought of being than "weak" or "useless". "Evil" "fascist" and "liar" not great either. Definitely a plague on both your houses when it comes to Labour and the Tories, mind. I'd feel sorry for the electorate but I think we have got the politicians we deserve.

    Disagree, voters generally prefer their leaders to be sensible and tolerant and likeable but what they can't stand is weak and useless leaders.

    So a dangerous and some might say racist and even evil liar of a leader can beat a weak and useless opponent, hence Trump and Hitler and Bolsonaro and Netanyahu got elected
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,687

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,320

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    Oh dear, what are his handlers planning now ?

    Trump: "I'm allowed as you know as president, like 50% of the presidents have used the Insurrection Act. Everybody agrees you're allowed to use that and there is no more court cases, there is no more anything. We're trying to do it in a nicer manner, but we can always use the Insurrection Act."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1980079852968439877
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,687
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    I hope he's not cross I'm keeping tabs on him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,687
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    I hope he's not cross I'm keeping tabs on him.
    He?


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    I hope he's not cross I'm keeping tabs on him.
    He?


    Sunil
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,547
    @jonathanreports.bsky.social‬

    Scoop: Trump has started demolishing the White House's East Wing facade to build his ballroom. The president had claimed construction of the $250 million building wouldn’t ‘interfere’ with the existing White House structure.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jonathanreports.bsky.social/post/3m3nhd3bqlc2m
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    Scott_xP said:

    @jonathanreports.bsky.social‬

    Scoop: Trump has started demolishing the White House's East Wing facade to build his ballroom. The president had claimed construction of the $250 million building wouldn’t ‘interfere’ with the existing White House structure.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jonathanreports.bsky.social/post/3m3nhd3bqlc2m

    The monstrous carbuncle is building a monstrous carbuncle.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,465
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    It’s the recording of them, and subsequent disclosure on vetting forms, that’s the problem.
    If they have to be recorded, the data should be anonymous at source, otherwise an enhanced DBS effectively makes someone guilty without a trial.
    Enhanced DBS already covers some arrests that lead to no charges, doesn't it?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,320

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    I hope he's not cross I'm keeping tabs on him.
    He?


    Sue Neil?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,335
    ydoethur said:

    My words for each leader would be:

    Chancer
    Disappointing
    Dunno
    Inept

    I leave it as an exercise for the reader to match word to leader.

    Oooh, quizzes!

    I’ll go for:
    Farage
    Starmer
    Davey
    Badenoch
    Dasher
    Dancer
    Donner
    und
    Blitzen
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,246
    I am usually a fan of Ch 4 news but I have just watched a bizarre episode. They spent at least 30 minutes interviewing the brother and sister in law of Virginia Giuffre about the involvement of Prince Andrew in the Epstein case. Almost all the questions were about the British police involvement of which the Americans were ignorant . Why?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,335
    edited October 20
    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    "There were many mattresses on the Swamp Planet Squornshellous Zeta. And all of them were called Zem."

    (Half-past eight and time for tea.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,335
    edited October 20
    Nigelb said:

    Bit late in the day, but Luke 15:7 surely applies ?

    My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
    Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner

    I'm suddenyl in a rather Dadaist mood this evening;, having just listened by mistake to 30 seconds of Richard Tice.

    "Here Comes Bod".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01bspHpwE
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716
    Nigelb said:

    Oh dear, what are his handlers planning now ?

    Trump: "I'm allowed as you know as president, like 50% of the presidents have used the Insurrection Act. Everybody agrees you're allowed to use that and there is no more court cases, there is no more anything. We're trying to do it in a nicer manner, but we can always use the Insurrection Act."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1980079852968439877

    I find "no more anything" potentially quite prescient. Extrapolating from the first year of Trump2 you have to wonder if there'll be much left by the time he's finished.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,381
    ydoethur said:

    More inept tinkering at the edges:

    University tuition fees in England to rise with inflation every year from 2026
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkzj87n8rdo

    The last serious attempt to sort out university finances was the Browne report, written by a man who should have been in prison. It was a bad review, and what little good it might have done was fatally undermined by Gove’s insane decision to allow the Russell Group to recruit far past their capacity.

    But at least it was an attempt. This is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.

    Compare the deafening silence to the tantrums about WFA.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,641

    ydoethur said:

    More inept tinkering at the edges:

    University tuition fees in England to rise with inflation every year from 2026
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkzj87n8rdo

    The last serious attempt to sort out university finances was the Browne report, written by a man who should have been in prison. It was a bad review, and what little good it might have done was fatally undermined by Gove’s insane decision to allow the Russell Group to recruit far past their capacity.

    But at least it was an attempt. This is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.

    Compare the deafening silence to the tantrums about WFA.
    Most. Selfish. Generation. Ever.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,262
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    More inept tinkering at the edges:

    University tuition fees in England to rise with inflation every year from 2026
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkzj87n8rdo

    The last serious attempt to sort out university finances was the Browne report, written by a man who should have been in prison. It was a bad review, and what little good it might have done was fatally undermined by Gove’s insane decision to allow the Russell Group to recruit far past their capacity.

    But at least it was an attempt. This is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.

    Compare the deafening silence to the tantrums about WFA.
    Most. Selfish. Generation. Ever.
    I'm sure most of us would want the same, given the chance. The only difference is that the generation involved have been able to get what they want at every life stage.

    (And, ultimately that's not entirely their fault. They were substantial, but never a majority. It's just that everyone else has cowered at their slight preponderance.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,641
    Just watched the last 2 episodes of Half bad: The bastard son and the devil himself.

    Certainly the best series I have seen for several years. Don't miss it. Honestly, its great.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,641
    edited October 20

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    More inept tinkering at the edges:

    University tuition fees in England to rise with inflation every year from 2026
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkzj87n8rdo

    The last serious attempt to sort out university finances was the Browne report, written by a man who should have been in prison. It was a bad review, and what little good it might have done was fatally undermined by Gove’s insane decision to allow the Russell Group to recruit far past their capacity.

    But at least it was an attempt. This is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.

    Compare the deafening silence to the tantrums about WFA.
    Most. Selfish. Generation. Ever.
    I'm sure most of us would want the same, given the chance. The only difference is that the generation involved have been able to get what they want at every life stage.

    (And, ultimately that's not entirely their fault. They were substantial, but never a majority. It's just that everyone else has cowered at their slight preponderance.)
    They've spent the wealth of a nation on themselves. They have spent their children's money on themselves and indeed their grandchildren's. They have built the square root of F all. And it is never enough. Never. Logan's Run really had a point.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
    Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.

    It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
    To be fair, it's almost their duty to pitch for every penny they can. The real failure is those appointing, for failing to ask "can we get someone almost as good but considerably cheaper?"

    After all, that's what happens in most other commercial negotiations.
    "Can we get someone much worse, but much cheaper - and then blame someone else for the fallout?" is more in keeping.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bit late in the day, but Luke 15:7 surely applies ?

    My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
    Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner

    I'm suddenyl in a rather Dadaist mood this evening;, having just listened by mistake to 30 seconds of Richard Tice.

    "Here Comes Bod".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01bspHpwE
    Commiserations.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,976
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bit late in the day, but Luke 15:7 surely applies ?

    My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
    Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner

    I'm suddenyl in a rather Dadaist mood this evening;, having just listened by mistake to 30 seconds of Richard Tice.

    "Here Comes Bod".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01bspHpwE
    Commiserations.
    We should all listen to what our political opponents have to say. I subject myself regularly to what passes for informed commentary on the New Statesman podcast and even dip a toe into the News Agents (thanks Youtube algorithm) occasionally.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,985
    edited October 20

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,641
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,789
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Linehan is strident in his views on trans women. There appears to be an ex police officer who spends their time making complaints to the MET about twitter posts that seemingly nearly always gets taken up. No one really knows why.

    Essentially it’s a bit like lawfare in the US. Hound your gender opponents through endless police ‘investigations’. Quite why no one in the force has the gumption to tell them to suck it up and stop wasting police time, I have no idea.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bit late in the day, but Luke 15:7 surely applies ?

    My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
    Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner

    I'm suddenyl in a rather Dadaist mood this evening;, having just listened by mistake to 30 seconds of Richard Tice.

    "Here Comes Bod".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01bspHpwE
    Commiserations.
    We should all listen to what our political opponents have to say. I subject myself regularly to what passes for informed commentary on the New Statesman podcast and even dip a toe into the News Agents (thanks Youtube algorithm) occasionally.
    There are limits.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,985
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
    Ware or seed?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I think I've got a process down that saves $work around a years work (quite literally - a years full-time developer work replaced by ~2days LLM calls). Which was a crap-tonne of work to refine, but the payoff is quite big.

    Which is fantastic. But very hard to explain to management that there are very niche areas where it can 10x, 100x productivity (like a well-crafted regex...) - but other areas where it's just terrible, and often a drain.

    All they're hearing from the likes of Deloitte press releases seems to be 'AI will solve all your problems. Click here to give us £10,000 to find out how you can give us £100,000".

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,641
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
    Ware or seed?
    Both I think but mainly ware. Burned down with acid about 2-3 weeks ago so the skins would set and being harvested now.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
    Ware or seed?
    A littel tangent, but I found a copy of this a while back :

    https://televisionheaven.co.uk/reviews/the-view-from-daniel-pike

    The first episode is very much a moment in time where the Irish labourers were brought over to Scotland to pick the harvest. Well worth a watch if you can find it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,985
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
    Ware or seed?
    Both I think but mainly ware. Burned down with acid about 2-3 weeks ago so the skins would set and being harvested now.
    Thanks. Happy memories of working in agric research in my younger days (at a very low level!).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,687

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Linehan is strident in his views on trans women. There appears to be an ex police officer who spends their time making complaints to the MET about twitter posts that seemingly nearly always gets taken up. No one really knows why.

    Essentially it’s a bit like lawfare in the US. Hound your gender opponents through endless police ‘investigations’. Quite why no one in the force has the gumption to tell them to suck it up and stop wasting police time, I have no idea.
    It is said that the complainants use threat of a request for review of any lack of action on their complaints. Which threat, done with the right wording, always gets the police to act.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,985
    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a word cloud for Andrew Windsor?

    It would be a total nonce sense.
    Are your students on half-term?
    Next week, shurely?
    Quite a few places have moved to two weeks at the end of October. It's not a crazy idea- pupils and staff are pretty much running on fumes by now.

    (Thing 1 has this. Thing 2 doesn't, and neither do I. But meaningfully less traffic on the Superloop 2 route this morning.)
    Traditional potato harvest holidays in Scotland. No idea how many children still help out. Though there were tractors and trailers, and lorries, going to and fro on the main street through my burgh with these big open-topped potato crate things on pallets, empty southward, and full northward, last week.

    Plenty of tatties being harvested around here in the fields we walk around for our morning walks. Totally mechanised now. Not a tattie roguer in sight.
    Ware or seed?
    A littel tangent, but I found a copy of this a while back :

    https://televisionheaven.co.uk/reviews/the-view-from-daniel-pike

    The first episode is very much a moment in time where the Irish labourers were brought over to Scotland to pick the harvest. Well worth a watch if you can find it.
    In 1971, I see, too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514
    DavidL said:

    Just watched the last 2 episodes of Half bad: The bastard son and the devil himself.

    Certainly the best series I have seen for several years. Don't miss it. Honestly, its great.

    Downloading now!

    And by downloading - I mean legitimately viewing via a streaming platform.

    👀
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,523
    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    That was a very strange move by Kemi. Surely she must know that the Trump phenomenon isn't particularly popular over here, and ICE must be one of the least popular elements of that phenomenon. And if she doesn't know that where's she getting her information from?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,503
    edited October 20
    Is it wrong of me to absolutely loathe those that voted for Trump .

    I just can’t get past they had 8 years of knowing the person he was and still thought it was okay to give him another 4 years in the WH .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,789

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Linehan is strident in his views on trans women. There appears to be an ex police officer who spends their time making complaints to the MET about twitter posts that seemingly nearly always gets taken up. No one really knows why.

    Essentially it’s a bit like lawfare in the US. Hound your gender opponents through endless police ‘investigations’. Quite why no one in the force has the gumption to tell them to suck it up and stop wasting police time, I have no idea.
    It is said that the complainants use threat of a request for review of any lack of action on their complaints. Which threat, done with the right wording, always gets the police to act.
    Can we do that for shoplifting too?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    That was a very strange move by Kemi. Surely she must know that the Trump phenomenon isn't particularly popular over here, and ICE must be one of the least popular elements of that phenomenon. And if she doesn't know that where's she getting her information from?
    A misguided attempt to outdo Farage, perhaps ?

    In any event, not something a credible candidate for PM would come up with.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,223
    So AWS sneezes and the internet catches a cold?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,320

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    edited October 20
    nico67 said:

    Is it wrong of me to absolutely loathe those that voted for Trump .

    I just can’t get past they had 8 years of knowing the person he was and still thought it was okay to give him another 4 years in the WH .

    Understandable, but a convert is a convert.
    In a democracy you welcome them, just as Luke's gospel recommends.

    I'm actually encouraged that, even at this ridiculously late stage, there are still those who can have a change of heart. However puzzling it is that it took them so long.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,560
    "Understandable, but a convert is a convert.
    In a democracy you welcome them, just as Luke's gospel recommends."

    And, as a practical matter, a convert from the other side is usually worth twice as much as one from non-committed. Usually.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,262

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    That was a very strange move by Kemi. Surely she must know that the Trump phenomenon isn't particularly popular over here, and ICE must be one of the least popular elements of that phenomenon. And if she doesn't know that where's she getting her information from?
    Isn't it a simple case of social media brainrot?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    lol
    Plus ça change.

    Starting to think Argentina might be the escape plan for the regime.
    https://x.com/MeachamDr/status/1980267871050617258
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716
    nico67 said:

    Is it wrong of me to absolutely loathe those that voted for Trump .

    I just can’t get past they had 8 years of knowing the person he was and still thought it was okay to give him another 4 years in the WH .

    I know I wouldn't loathe most of them if I knew them personally but in the abstract, viewing them as a lumpen mass, I feel exactly that.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,099
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,547
    nico67 said:

    Is it wrong of me to absolutely loathe those that voted for Trump .

    I just can’t get past they had 8 years of knowing the person he was and still thought it was okay to give him another 4 years in the WH .

    They voted for him cos he hates the same people they do.

    He also hates most of them, but they are currently in the Find Out phase of that action...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,653
    Scott_xP said:

    nico67 said:

    Is it wrong of me to absolutely loathe those that voted for Trump .

    I just can’t get past they had 8 years of knowing the person he was and still thought it was okay to give him another 4 years in the WH .

    They voted for him cos he hates the same people they do.

    He also hates most of them, but they are currently in the Find Out phase of that action...
    I dont think Trump hates them, he merely doesn't think much about them at all.

    Trump has a gangster mentality. He bears grudges against those who have tried to do him down, and for the rest it is very much "what's in it for me?". His interest in his voters is much the same as a drug dealer has for addicts. He recognises he needs to keep them buying, but beyond that...
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,560
    FWIW, today the WaPo did give a little coverage of Trump's video of himself as a king. This is it:

    The White House appeared to cheekily embrace the idea of Trump as a king, posting AI-generated images of him in a crown. Trump shared an AI-generated video of himself flying a plane dubbed “King Trump,” dropping what appeared to be feces or sludge over American cities.
    source$:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/20/fallout-no-kings/

    To be fair, there are two links in that brief paragraph:
    https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1979729073497936319
    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115398251623299921

    Also to be fair, it is sporting of the Loser to provide evidence for what many of us have long thought: That he is full of . . . .

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,070

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,070
    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    edited October 20
    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    And Starmer kept saying it was a total lie that China was interested / were for the deal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    edited October 20
    Prince Andrew’s team tried to hire “internet trolls to hassle” his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, while he hid behind the “well-guarded gates” of Balmoral Castle to avoid being served court papers, according to allegations in her posthumous memoir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

    At best, he is going to end up in a bedsit known only as Andy from Windsor. No way Charles / William can keep paying for his massive home etc.
  • Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,070

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    You're a moron
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,547

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    Given the way things are going, we might be better off striking a deal with China ourselves...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    edited October 20
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,251
    edited October 20

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
  • On topic, my one word descriptions would be:

    Starmer - Drowning
    Badenoch - Underwhelming
    Farage - Marmite
    Davey - Vanilla

    And as for the rest:

    Polanski - Student
    Corbyn - Unbending
    Swinney - Caretaker
    Iorweth - Forgettable
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    The great AI gods appear to have spoken....

    Leon - Banned
  • I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,412
    edited October 20
    THE GROOMING STORY IS STILL OFF LIMITS. AS I AM ON HOLIDAY, THE SPAM TRAP WILL NOW AUTOMATICALLY BAN YOU.

    DON'T RUIN MY HOLIDAY.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364

    THE GROOMING STORY IS STILL OFF LIMITS. AS I AM ON HOLIDAY, THE SPAM TRAP WILL NOW AUTOMATICALLY BAN YOU.

    DON'T RUIN MY HOLIDAY.

    Sorry, my bad. I totally forgot.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,578

    The great AI gods appear to have spoken....

    Leon - Banned

    I propose that every time someone is banned, their ban period is doubled. So, if someone is normally banned for a week, they are banned the next time for a fortnight, and should they not get the message and need to be banned again, it's for a month.
  • THE GROOMING STORY IS STILL OFF LIMITS. AS I AM ON HOLIDAY, THE SPAM TRAP WILL NOW AUTOMATICALLY BAN YOU.

    DON'T RUIN MY HOLIDAY.

    Sorry, my bad. I totally forgot.
    You're not the only transgressor today.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    edited October 20
    Prince Andrew has not paid rent on Royal Lodge for two decades

    The Times obtained a copy of the leasehold agreement for Royal Lodge, revealing the terms under which the prince lives on the 30-room estate.

    It states that, while the prince paid £1 million for the lease plus at least £7.5 million for refurbishments completed in 2005, he has paid “one peppercorn (if demanded)” in rent per year, since 2003.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-rent-free-windsor-mansion-rbrgfjkrr

    Bloody scroungers.
  • The great AI gods appear to have spoken....

    Leon - Banned

    I propose that every time someone is banned, their ban period is doubled. So, if someone is normally banned for a week, they are banned the next time for a fortnight, and should they not get the message and need to be banned again, it's for a month.
    I told him the other day Chat GPT recommended a ban of 88 days.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,550

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    Your out of date there I posted Ed's article as it came out...

    What should really scare anyone investing in LLMs is the bottom of the article, the costs aren't training costs it's day to day running costs - basically sales and costs are aligned so unless LLMs can massively increase their prices (which they can't) they will never generate profits
  • I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    I'll come up with some suggestions as I am well known for my brilliantly subtle headlines.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,214

    The great AI gods appear to have spoken....

    Leon - Banned

    Windsor Davies (as opposed to Mandy Rice-) springs to mind.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,251
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    The "Cornell pastiche boxes" might also be a reference, since the non-human entities in the Sprawl trilogy are a but whimsical/philosophical, and I think one of them did things like that, but it's been a long time...

    Let me check...

    Yup, I just cracked the less-fragile copy of Count Zero, and yes, they're in it. A young, hungry female art researcher is given an ungodly commission by a very-ill wealthy older man to track one down. Of course, that's just a cover for What's Really Going On. :)

  • eekeek Posts: 31,550

    Prince Andrew’s team tried to hire “internet trolls to hassle” his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, while he hid behind the “well-guarded gates” of Balmoral Castle to avoid being served court papers, according to allegations in her posthumous memoir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

    At best, he is going to end up in a bedsit known only as Andy from Windsor. No way Charles / William can keep paying for his massive home etc.

    Charles / William have been trying to get him out of that home but Andrew appears to have has a source of money allowing him to meet the maintenance terms of the lease. Whether that continues and whether whoever is paying him that money will continue to do so is completely unknown...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,364
    edited October 20
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    Your out of date there I posted Ed's article as it came out...

    What should really scare anyone investing in LLMs is the bottom of the article, the costs aren't training costs it's day to day running costs - basically sales and costs are aligned so unless LLMs can massively increase their prices (which they can't) they will never generate profits
    Yes I am well aware of that. The inference costs are large in terms of GPU cycles / power demand, but also what they are finding is hammering these GPUs to such an enormous extent, they are going through GPUs like no tomorrow. So it isn't a matter of you spent $5bn on a GPU cluster that is basically the major investment done and dusted, you will every day need to be replacing significant numbers of $25k a pop GPUs as they keep breaking down.

    There was a good video a few months ago doing some rough calcs and basically $200 / month doesn't touch the sides as it works it way up the chain of infrastructure that is required to facilitate the inference.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,783
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    It is a disgrace. The one group of people to whom a major injustice was done - the Chagossians - get jack shit out of the agreement.

    The beneficiary is - as predicted - China.

  • isamisam Posts: 42,841
    edited October 20
    Please let this happen. I’d take Arsenal finishing second again

    This evening I have received new and important information on #beergate

    This concerns Sir Beer Korma

    More to come in the near future…


    https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1980363442533101913?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    If he is found to have lied about this to wriggle out of it, all the humble pie that has ever been made, and all that ever will be won’t be enough
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,315
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    Damn, that's four decades ago.
    Gibson is in his late seventies, and I'm feeling OLD.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,550
    isam said:

    Please let this happen. I’d take Arsenal finishing second again

    This evening I have received new and important information on #beergate

    This concerns Sir Beer Korma

    More to come in the near future…


    https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1980363442533101913?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    If he is found to have lied about this to wriggle out of it, all the humble pie that has ever been made, and all that ever will be won’t be enough

    Who cares - snoreville.

    Reality is we may as well keep SKS as there isn't any other better option is there...
  • isamisam Posts: 42,841
    edited October 20
  • isamisam Posts: 42,841
    eek said:

    isam said:

    Please let this happen. I’d take Arsenal finishing second again

    This evening I have received new and important information on #beergate

    This concerns Sir Beer Korma

    More to come in the near future…


    https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1980363442533101913?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    If he is found to have lied about this to wriggle out of it, all the humble pie that has ever been made, and all that ever will be won’t be enough

    Who cares - snoreville.

    Reality is we may as well keep SKS as there isn't any other better option is there...
    Bore off mate! If he’s been fibbing about this it is OVER for him, in the most humiliating fashion.

    Let me dream
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