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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,938

    Has Keir tried blaming Farage for Chinagate yet?

    Sir 'I'll double check that' had a ghastly PMQs and Her Britannic Majesty Kemi has well and truly got the measure of him these days. She doesn't let up any more.
    Eye of the beholder:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/15/kemi-brings-a-shovel-to-a-gunfight-and-starmer-lets-her-dig-her-own-hole
    I don't think an answer that starts with the single word, 'YES' in an attempted zinger but ends with 'I'll have to double check that' can be considered a success. Starmer will now have to 'double check' what he was afraid of saying for fear of misleading the Commons.

    However, it is nice to see you back.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,225
    edited October 15

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:
    Good luck with that. London’s one of the worst cities for SD cars.

    Because at the moment the humans can’t understand the cacophony of signs at certain junctions.

    Councils also need to be very clear that every yellow box junction infringement and bus lane infringement and LTN infringement will accumulate exponentially increasing fines on the operators.

    Make that £100 infringement for the 10th time today, and your last fine is £51,200, to be paid within a fortnight otherwise they all double.
    Presumably these Waymos will be programme to avoid bus lanes? That's going create havoc. There are times when you have to go iinto a bus lane to avoid creating gridlock. In fact I have often thought that a work-to-rule by London drivers would reduce the capital to a standstill within hours because if every driver follows every rule inflexibly the whole system just grinds to a halt.
    Driving on the west coast is infinitely easier than in the UK, ditto LA over london

    So London is perhaps the ultimate test. All those tiny medieval streets in the City

    Perhaps that’s why Google have chosen The Smoke. It’s a top tier, busy, chaotic world city but with narrow ancient streets in places (unlike NYC)

    It’s meant to be exemplary. If they can get it to work in London it can work anywhere
    Delhi?
    I have a work colleague originally from Delhi. He has just passed his driving test, in Glasgow, after "unlearning" how he drove in Delhi.
    He says it is really stressful driving in Glasgow because people are doing 30, whereas 15 or 20 was the most you can manage in Delhi if you are lucky.
    You mean, in aggregate, people actually drive at the speed limit?

    And its not just me that is uniquely doing that?

    Poor Eabhal will be having fits of vapours, having to share the road with people who drive at the speed limit when its safe and legal to do so.
    Why would I? I haven't suggested that anywhere.

    But you might find that some people, like pedestrians and cyclists, would find a slower speed optimal for them. Unless you think it's only drivers who matter?
    Yeah, you did. I said

    They absolutely can and should be doing 30mph if its safe and legal to do so, just as a regular driver is. 30mph is the speed limit, they should be doing less if they need to but no need to default to less.

    They shouldn't be speeding and doing 40 in a 30.


    To which you responded

    Yep, this proves my point. The concern is that they'll be programmed by someone like you.

    I do not want to share the road with millions of BartholomewRoberts.


    So when I said that if its safe and legal to be doing the speed limit then you absolutely can and should be doing the speed limit, but not doing 40 in a 30, and you said you don't want to share the road with vehicles programmed by someone like me, what did you mean other than rejecting the idea of doing 30 in a 30 when its safe and legal to do so?

    As for others wanting a slower speed optimal for them, they should get that on their paths, not the road. Build cycle paths or footpaths for pedestrians or cyclists, yes, but roads should be set at speeds for vehicles first and foremost, absolutely.
    Those quotes don't demontrate that. Please don't put words in my mouth.

    In fact, I've even suggested that self-driving cars might allow cars to drive faster than the current speed limit where the risk-profile is low, such as on motorways.

    The rest of yoru post is crap. It's a carriageway. It's up to the horse.
    I quoted the words, I didn't put anything in your mouth.

    Do you agree with the idea that vehicles in a 30mph zone can and should be doing 30mph if its safe and legal to do so, or not?

    Slow down if you need to slow down, as I said, but if its safe and legal to be doing 30 then that should be the default and not discouraged.
    Yes. I think your idea of safe is rather different to mine though.

    But you're advocating for killing children outside primary schools (this misrepresenting thing is fun!)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,938

    Foxy said:

    As someone who may vote Green at the next GE, I am not put off by Polanskis position on the independence issue.

    If those countries want to secede from the UK then that is a matter for them, and English voters should not oppose it, indeed should come to amicable settlements in order to cement long term good relationships.

    I can't work out if you've become an anti Brexit troll or just completely lost the plot.
    The two positions are not mutually exclusive.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,538

    This has been Green Party policy for ages.

    There's even a separate Scottish Green party.

    A separate Welsh Green party has been an issue of debate in the party on and off over the years I believe.
    I think mainly the Welsh Greens weren't sure they had the size/organisational capacity to operate on their own. Certainly it doesn't seem to be a Unionist stance from the English Greens holding it back.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Scott_xP said:

    Cracked windscreen on the plane apparently

    Well, something on the plane was cracked that's for sure.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,938

    Scott_xP said:

    Cracked windscreen on the plane apparently

    Well, something on the plane was cracked that's for sure.

    It was Boeing. The cracks were probably cracked.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,212
    rcs1000 said:

    Be interested to know how a Waymo would distinguish a set of classic temporary roadworks traffic lights that aren't working/stuck on red versus a very long hold but functionally operational 4-way type set of lights.

    Control of the Waymo gets passed to a man in a warehouse if they get stuck. It's one of the features they have that the Teslas do not.
    Ah, interesting. Did not know they had that!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,675
    Foxy said:

    As someone who may vote Green at the next GE, I am not put off by Polanskis position on the independence issue.

    If those countries want to secede from the UK then that is a matter for them, and English voters should not oppose it, indeed should come to amicable settlements in order to cement long term good relationships.

    Agree on that point but you're a Sound Money man, Foxy, like me. How do you square this with a Polanski Green vote?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,608
    rcs1000 said:

    Be interested to know how a Waymo would distinguish a set of classic temporary roadworks traffic lights that aren't working/stuck on red versus a very long hold but functionally operational 4-way type set of lights.

    Control of the Waymo gets passed to a man in a warehouse if they get stuck. It's one of the features they have that the Teslas do not.
    Could they use the same technology (control by a man in a warehouse) for lorry deliveries? Would be a lot nicer job sitting in a warehouse driving and going home at the end of shift rather than sleeping in the cab in some lorry park. Could have the Lorries driving for longer too as you just swap out the warehouse driver after mandatory hours reached.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,722

    This has been Green Party policy for ages.

    There's even a separate Scottish Green party.

    A separate Welsh Green party has been an issue of debate in the party on and off over the years I believe.
    I think mainly the Welsh Greens weren't sure they had the size/organisational capacity to operate on their own. Certainly it doesn't seem to be a Unionist stance from the English Greens holding it back.
    They've only got 8 councillors in Wales out of 1231 wards with just over 2% of the vote in 2022. I don't think a Green Party (Wales) is practical
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,675

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:
    Good luck with that. London’s one of the worst cities for SD cars.

    Because at the moment the humans can’t understand the cacophony of signs at certain junctions.

    Councils also need to be very clear that every yellow box junction infringement and bus lane infringement and LTN infringement will accumulate exponentially increasing fines on the operators.

    Make that £100 infringement for the 10th time today, and your last fine is £51,200, to be paid within a fortnight otherwise they all double.
    Presumably these Waymos will be programme to avoid bus lanes? That's going create havoc. There are times when you have to go iinto a bus lane to avoid creating gridlock. In fact I have often thought that a work-to-rule by London drivers would reduce the capital to a standstill within hours because if every driver follows every rule inflexibly the whole system just grinds to a halt.
    Driving on the west coast is infinitely easier than in the UK, ditto LA over london

    So London is perhaps the ultimate test. All those tiny medieval streets in the City

    Perhaps that’s why Google have chosen The Smoke. It’s a top tier, busy, chaotic world city but with narrow ancient streets in places (unlike NYC)

    It’s meant to be exemplary. If they can get it to work in London it can work anywhere
    Delhi?
    I have a work colleague originally from Delhi. He has just passed his driving test, in Glasgow, after "unlearning" how he drove in Delhi.
    He says it is really stressful driving in Glasgow because people are doing 30, whereas 15 or 20 was the most you can manage in Delhi if you are lucky.
    You mean, in aggregate, people actually drive at the speed limit?

    And its not just me that is uniquely doing that?

    Poor @Eabhal will be having fits of vapours, having to share the road with people who drive at the speed limit when its safe and legal to do so.
    As a driving instructor will tell you, driving at 20mph, persistently in 30mph zone, will get you failed on your test.
    Quite rightly too, the speed limit is a limit not a target, but if its safe and legal to be doing the limit, you should be doing it or approximately close to it.

    That's not just me that thinks that.
    So it is a target then (if safe).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    edited October 15
    The Blue states subsidising the Red states in US is gonna become an explosive issue if all this insurrection/war zone/send in the military shit continues much longer.

    Why should Blue states send $ to Trump to be partly used to fund an invasion of their own state?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,840
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Downtown Portland does have a truly eerie ambience

    A kind of opulent dysfunction. The city is clearly wealthy; it is also clearly suffering quite unusually

    Is there any evidence that the resident population finds this suffering is unusual?
    What are you, a moron?

    I’m pretty sure that when the owners of Gucci were choosing their flagship store location in Portland they didn’t say “I know, let’s put it on this corner which is infested with Fent addicts 24/7, ideally we want juddering zombies blocking the door at 2pm. Customers love that stuff”
    I asked about the opinion of the citizens of Portland not fucking Gucci.
    And I'm the moron?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,749
    edited October 15
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "An upper-middle-class former banker friend recently attended a Reform UK selection meeting for council candidates in a decaying southern coastal town. Although he is a man of the world who once worked on oil rigs and in a shoe shop, my banker friend professed himself ‘shocked’ by the standards of dress and deportment of the other would-be candidates. Naturally all were overweight and tattooed, and all were dressed in shorts, baseball caps and hooded tracksuit tops – the standard everyday uniform of most British men under the age of 60. They were, it is fair to say, an average representation of the male members of what was once called ‘the working class’."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/real-british-values

    Yes, Reform are now the natural party of the white working class male, as Labour voters and most Labour MPs were 100 or even 50 years ago.

    Labour meanwhile both in parliament and in its core vote is now the party of the public sector middle classes and most ethnic minorities
    That doesn't feel right (the ethnic minorities bit)? Have you got any recent stats? ISTR it's only the Muslims where their support is greater than you would expect controlling for other factors (and that's dwindling away now the Islamofascists are on the rise).
    Labour won 72% of the Black vote at the 2024 GE, 44% of the Pakistani vote and 40% of the Indian vote and 48% of other ethnic minority voters and 59% of Mixed race.

    So even on the current national swing to Reform, you would still expect Labour to be ahead with ethnic minorities. Doesn't seem to be a massive swing in the black vote to Kemi such that the Tories might win Tottenham or Hackney as they won a Leicester seat with Rishi either!

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49877-ethnic-minority-britons-at-the-2024-general-election
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,364
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:
    Good luck with that. London’s one of the worst cities for SD cars.

    Because at the moment the humans can’t understand the cacophony of signs at certain junctions.

    Councils also need to be very clear that every yellow box junction infringement and bus lane infringement and LTN infringement will accumulate exponentially increasing fines on the operators.

    Make that £100 infringement for the 10th time today, and your last fine is £51,200, to be paid within a fortnight otherwise they all double.
    Presumably these Waymos will be programme to avoid bus lanes? That's going create havoc. There are times when you have to go iinto a bus lane to avoid creating gridlock. In fact I have often thought that a work-to-rule by London drivers would reduce the capital to a standstill within hours because if every driver follows every rule inflexibly the whole system just grinds to a halt.
    Driving on the west coast is infinitely easier than in the UK, ditto LA over london

    So London is perhaps the ultimate test. All those tiny medieval streets in the City

    Perhaps that’s why Google have chosen The Smoke. It’s a top tier, busy, chaotic world city but with narrow ancient streets in places (unlike NYC)

    It’s meant to be exemplary. If they can get it to work in London it can work anywhere
    Delhi?
    I have a work colleague originally from Delhi. He has just passed his driving test, in Glasgow, after "unlearning" how he drove in Delhi.
    He says it is really stressful driving in Glasgow because people are doing 30, whereas 15 or 20 was the most you can manage in Delhi if you are lucky.
    You mean, in aggregate, people actually drive at the speed limit?

    And its not just me that is uniquely doing that?

    Poor @Eabhal will be having fits of vapours, having to share the road with people who drive at the speed limit when its safe and legal to do so.
    As a driving instructor will tell you, driving at 20mph, persistently in 30mph zone, will get you failed on your test.
    Quite rightly too, the speed limit is a limit not a target, but if its safe and legal to be doing the limit, you should be doing it or approximately close to it.

    That's not just me that thinks that.
    So it is a target then (if safe).
    People should drive at a legal and safe speed.

    So doing 40mph in good conditions in a 40mph zone would be safe and legal.

    Doing 35mph would also be safe and reasonable for a driver wanting higher fuel efficiency.

    Doing 20mph would not likely be safe as it would force other cars to overtake.

  • As a driving instructor will tell you, driving at 20mph, persistently in 30mph zone, will get you failed on your test.

    Quite rightly too, the speed limit is a limit not a target, but if its safe and legal to be doing the limit, you should be doing it or approximately close to it.

    That's not just me that thinks that.
    Indeed. The position of the DVSA is that you should avoid causing an actual or potential hazard to yourself or others on the road, and examiners get quite annoyed if you do this.

    If you're going beyond the speed limit, that's a hazard. If it's safe to do the limit but you're going well below it, that's also a hazard as it may cause other traffic to overtake in a potentially unsafe way.

    Mind you, I don't know what mental gymnastics are required to square this approach with legislation that severely restricts the speed of some vehicles but also allows them to go on 70mph roads and cause havoc.

  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,130
    boulay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Be interested to know how a Waymo would distinguish a set of classic temporary roadworks traffic lights that aren't working/stuck on red versus a very long hold but functionally operational 4-way type set of lights.

    Control of the Waymo gets passed to a man in a warehouse if they get stuck. It's one of the features they have that the Teslas do not.
    Could they use the same technology (control by a man in a warehouse) for lorry deliveries? Would be a lot nicer job sitting in a warehouse driving and going home at the end of shift rather than sleeping in the cab in some lorry park. Could have the Lorries driving for longer too as you just swap out the warehouse driver after mandatory hours reached.
    Please hold, your call is important to us.

    Hope they always have enough warehouse staff.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,225

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:
    Good luck with that. London’s one of the worst cities for SD cars.

    Because at the moment the humans can’t understand the cacophony of signs at certain junctions.

    Councils also need to be very clear that every yellow box junction infringement and bus lane infringement and LTN infringement will accumulate exponentially increasing fines on the operators.

    Make that £100 infringement for the 10th time today, and your last fine is £51,200, to be paid within a fortnight otherwise they all double.
    Presumably these Waymos will be programme to avoid bus lanes? That's going create havoc. There are times when you have to go iinto a bus lane to avoid creating gridlock. In fact I have often thought that a work-to-rule by London drivers would reduce the capital to a standstill within hours because if every driver follows every rule inflexibly the whole system just grinds to a halt.
    Driving on the west coast is infinitely easier than in the UK, ditto LA over london

    So London is perhaps the ultimate test. All those tiny medieval streets in the City

    Perhaps that’s why Google have chosen The Smoke. It’s a top tier, busy, chaotic world city but with narrow ancient streets in places (unlike NYC)

    It’s meant to be exemplary. If they can get it to work in London it can work anywhere
    Delhi?
    I have a work colleague originally from Delhi. He has just passed his driving test, in Glasgow, after "unlearning" how he drove in Delhi.
    He says it is really stressful driving in Glasgow because people are doing 30, whereas 15 or 20 was the most you can manage in Delhi if you are lucky.
    You mean, in aggregate, people actually drive at the speed limit?

    And its not just me that is uniquely doing that?

    Poor @Eabhal will be having fits of vapours, having to share the road with people who drive at the speed limit when its safe and legal to do so.
    As a driving instructor will tell you, driving at 20mph, persistently in 30mph zone, will get you failed on your test.
    Quite rightly too, the speed limit is a limit not a target, but if its safe and legal to be doing the limit, you should be doing it or approximately close to it.

    That's not just me that thinks that.
    So it is a target then (if safe).
    People should drive at a legal and safe speed.

    So doing 40mph in good conditions in a 40mph zone would be safe and legal.

    Doing 35mph would also be safe and reasonable for a driver wanting higher fuel efficiency.

    Doing 20mph would not likely be safe as it would force other cars to overtake.
    There's no must or should in the Highway Code regarding minimum speed (other than where it's indicated), but I think you can get done for inconsiderate or even dangerous depending on location. The only thing it mentions is holding up a big queue, and that's a "should" IIRC.

    Tourists not using passing places to let locals past is the one that really pisses me off.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,487

    The Blue states subsidising the Red states in US is gonna become an explosive issue if all this insurrection/war zone/send in the military shit continues much longer.

    Why should Blue states send $ to Trump to be partly used to fund an invasion of their own state?

    It's almost like someone wants the USA to break up into bickering states and factions. Might be a pretty penny to be made on the upside.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Downtown Portland does have a truly eerie ambience

    A kind of opulent dysfunction. The city is clearly wealthy; it is also clearly suffering quite unusually

    Is there any evidence that the resident population finds this suffering is unusual?
    What are you, a moron?

    I’m pretty sure that when the owners of Gucci were choosing their flagship store location in Portland they didn’t say “I know, let’s put it on this corner which is infested with Fent addicts 24/7, ideally we want juddering zombies blocking the door at 2pm. Customers love that stuff”
    I asked about the opinion of the citizens of Portland not fucking Gucci.
    And I'm the moron?
    On Portland:

    The federal district court judge in Oregon has extended for two weeks her order barring the Trump administration from deploying federalized National Guard soldiers in Portland, Ore. Judge Karin Immergut extended two temporary restraining orders on Wednesday, one barring the deployment of Oregon or California National Guard soldiers and a broader ruling prohibiting the use of any National Guard troops in Portland.

    NY Times live blog
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,917
    edited October 15
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25546299.ppe-medpro-linked-michelle-mone-fails-pay-fine-122m/?ref=ed_latest

    In PPE Medpro news ... (though the URL is surely wrong in calling it a fine).

  • Doing 20mph would not likely be safe as it would force other cars to overtake.

    I'd prefer the word cause than the word force, here 😊
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120
    Ummmm...

    The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said.
    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1978465132083864014
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,252
    No.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120
    Pulpstar said:

    No.

    Cryptic.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,917
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No.

    Cryptic.
    Topped and tailed, gone Pulpie's dictum (2)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    As someone who may vote Green at the next GE, I am not put off by Polanskis position on the independence issue.

    If those countries want to secede from the UK then that is a matter for them, and English voters should not oppose it, indeed should come to amicable settlements in order to cement long term good relationships.

    Agree on that point but you're a Sound Money man, Foxy, like me. How do you square this with a Polanski Green vote?
    I dont support every Polanski policy, but I do like enough of them to be engaged. It was great to see him turn Yusef into toast on Referm friendly BBCQT last week. A breath of fresh air.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,239
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    American government 757 out of Brussels making a u-turn south of Ireland and potentially heading to UK.

    https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1978504999748436347

    It’s flying at 10,000ft, which is indicative of a pressuration problem.

    They’ve been using a number of these for diplomats and journalists over the past few days.

    Twitter says it's Hegseth. Cant be Vance, it would be Air Force Two if he was.
    The only two runways in Wales capable of landing a 757 are in Cardiff: one in Cardiff Airport, one in St Athan. It's not heading towards either one. Where is it going?
    Do you think Hesgeth is defecting?
    Rudolf Hess-geth?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,204
    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    As someone who may vote Green at the next GE, I am not put off by Polanskis position on the independence issue.

    If those countries want to secede from the UK then that is a matter for them, and English voters should not oppose it, indeed should come to amicable settlements in order to cement long term good relationships.

    Agree on that point but you're a Sound Money man, Foxy, like me. How do you square this with a Polanski Green vote?
    I dont support every Polanski policy, but I do like enough of them to be engaged. It was great to see him turn Yusef into toast on Referm friendly BBCQT last week. A breath of fresh air.
    Though Yusuf is one of the weaker links at the top of Reform. He tries the breathless right wing talking points, but he's nowhere near as good at it as Farage.

    Reform can't stay a one man band, but (so far) it only really works when it is.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Nigelb said:

    Ummmm...

    The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said.
    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1978465132083864014

    Wait... are we the socialists?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,566

    Nigelb said:

    Ummmm...

    The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said.
    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1978465132083864014

    Wait... are we the socialists?
    {The ghost of Richard Nixon to the red courtesy phone. The ghost of Richard Nixon to the red courtesy phone. Thank you}
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,239

    Nigelb said:

    Ummmm...

    The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said.
    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1978465132083864014

    Wait... are we the socialists?
    Red = Socialism!
    Red = Republican Party!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476

    ‪Aaron Rupar‬
    @atrupar.com‬
    · 1m

    Trump on tariffs: "We're allowed to do whatever we want.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,204
    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    As someone who may vote Green at the next GE, I am not put off by Polanskis position on the independence issue.

    If those countries want to secede from the UK then that is a matter for them, and English voters should not oppose it, indeed should come to amicable settlements in order to cement long term good relationships.

    Agree on that point but you're a Sound Money man, Foxy, like me. How do you square this with a Polanski Green vote?
    I dont support every Polanski policy, but I do like enough of them to be engaged. It was great to see him turn Yusef into toast on Referm friendly BBCQT last week. A breath of fresh air.
    Though Yusuf is one of the weaker links at the top of Reform. He tries the breathless right wing talking points, but he's nowhere near as good at it as Farage.

    Reform can't stay a one man band, but (so far) it only really works when it is.
    I think Polanski risks the same with the Greens, though they have more depth of activists it remains to be seen how many truly are behind Polanskis new style, though the members seem to be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    That's also, perhaps, a reason behind ICE's unnecessary and uncontrolled brutality ?
  • Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.

    That's how I see it. Trump has immunity from prosecution, but those around him don't. Lots of them will end up in cells if a Democrat president takes office, so they will do everything they can to ensure that doesn't happen. Even if it means breaking up the US.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,225
    edited October 15
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    That's also, perhaps, a reason behind ICE's unnecessary and uncontrolled brutality ?
    Yep - and being met with remarkable restraint. My feed is full of them abducting people dressed as frogs.

    Still think it was extremely risky by Badenoch to suggest she wants that here. If it escalates and there are protestors shot...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120
    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Meantime.

    The Trump administration is doubling its Argentina bailout to $40 billion.
    https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1978506855090430229
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,500
    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Supreme Court: The Founding Fathers would have wanted the Executive to do this!

    Heck, I didn't know the FF, maybe they would have.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,212
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    There might not be US politics for much longer, so that could be solved easily.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,834
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Meantime.

    The Trump administration is doubling its Argentina bailout to $40 billion.
    https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1978506855090430229
    Democrats can run adds saying US govt paying Argentina for stealing their soy bean customers in China.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,500
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    System has held up suprisingly well for a long time I suppose. But even when there are formal rules about things, society relies on people and institutions choosing not to abuse power or ignore the rules - ask many an authoritarian state with plenty of 'enshrined' rights (which is one reason people often oversell the benefits of codifying our constitution as if in itself it ensures rights).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Just so their justices don't get any crazy ideas about thwarting him...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    22m
    Trump says lawyers challenging his power to impose tariffs are "aligned with foreign nations" and adds that he plans to go to the Supreme Court to watch the arguments of the tariffs case

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978560020070445245


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,096
    After Comey and James apparently Bolton is the next head on the block.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,553

    Just so their justices don't get any crazy ideas about thwarting him...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    22m
    Trump says lawyers challenging his power to impose tariffs are "aligned with foreign nations" and adds that he plans to go to the Supreme Court to watch the arguments of the tariffs case

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1978560020070445245


    Imagine Trump sat there trying to follow the legal argument, which is about 1,000 feet over his head, pulling stupid faces, and struggling to keep awake. What a gigantic berk he is.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,538
    kle4 said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    System has held up suprisingly well for a long time I suppose. But even when there are formal rules about things, society relies on people and institutions choosing not to abuse power or ignore the rules - ask many an authoritarian state with plenty of 'enshrined' rights (which is one reason people often oversell the benefits of codifying our constitution as if in itself it ensures rights).
    It's ultimately the people themselves who are the check on abuse of power, and one of the reasons that Congressional Republicans have abdicated their responsibilities is that their voters have insisted that they do so. Just look at what has happened to those Republicans - such as Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney - who didn't tow the Trump line.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,120
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    I'm not sure we can be so smug, either.

    The US is hardly the only place where democracy is subject to challenge. We're not there, for now, but we could be.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    I'm not sure we can be so smug, either.

    The US is hardly the only place where democracy is subject to challenge. We're not there, for now, but we could be.
    Yep we have fewer Checks and Balances, and consequently even more exposed.

    I suppose the King could dissolve a government that was tending towards tyranny and call new elections, but that would create its own constitutional crisis.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,046
    edited October 15
    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,443
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    I'm not sure we can be so smug, either.

    The US is hardly the only place where democracy is subject to challenge. We're not there, for now, but we could be.
    Right, but our challenge is the robustness of our informal system, unlike their formal one. It may be more or less fallible, but it's different in character.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Meantime.

    The Trump administration is doubling its Argentina bailout to $40 billion.
    https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1978506855090430229
    Bailout of US owners of Argentinian bonds you mean! and 2 weeks before the Argentinian mid term elections.

    It seems that Milei's commitment to free markets is thinner than a cigarette paper

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    I really haven't followed this story at all.

    Is there a one paragraph summary somewhere?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    CatMan said:
    It would have been nice to see what Kearns and Tugenhat said in court about their former worker who is one of the accused spies. Kearns chaired the Foreign Select Committee and is a Leics MP, generally one of the better ones
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,046

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,096

    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    I really haven't followed this story at all.

    Is there a one paragraph summary somewhere?
    Dominic Cummings has tried to throw Boris under the Chinese bus. Fortunately the media aren't interested and are going for Jonathan Powell and Starmer.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/china-spy-case-cummings-starmer-cps-b2846109.html

    There was a lawyer on R4 PM saying that the CPS are remiss if they were reliant on the Government saying China were dodgy in order to obtain a conviction.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    why not send the troops into the cities in Republican states that have crime rates far higher than SF if that is the objective?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,500
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    I'm not sure we can be so smug, either.

    The US is hardly the only place where democracy is subject to challenge. We're not there, for now, but we could be.
    Right, but our challenge is the robustness of our informal system, unlike their formal one. It may be more or less fallible, but it's different in character.
    Indeed. Our governments could do a lot more than pre-Trump Presidents could manage, in many ways.

    Both approaches have strengths and weaknesses.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,096
    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    It's not. SF has been cleaned up recently too.

    This is the early stages of Civil War, don't buy the bullshit.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    I really haven't followed this story at all.

    Is there a one paragraph summary somewhere?
    This from Sky just now

    https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webview/politics-latest-starmer-india-labour-gaza-protests-tax-12593360
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,818

    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    I really haven't followed this story at all.

    Is there a one paragraph summary somewhere?
    This from Sky just now

    https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webview/politics-latest-starmer-india-labour-gaza-protests-tax-12593360
    I wonder what evidence they aren’t publishing?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,675
    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    It has a rare beauty as a lead story in that it doesn't feature in any way at all Donald Trump.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    It has a rare beauty as a lead story in that it doesn't feature in any way at all Donald Trump.
    Don't shout or wave it about, he will only get jealous...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,443
    BBC decline continues:

    "Celia Imrie's fart steals the show on Celebrity Traitors"
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,364
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    why not send the troops into the cities in Republican states that have crime rates far higher than SF if that is the objective?
    He has.

    Memphis, Tennessee.

    Perhaps if Dem cities hadn't boasted about flouting federal laws Trump wouldn't have an excuse for acting as he is doing.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,193
    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    The police are trained to police: arrest criminals, maintain order, maintain the existing rule of law
    The army are trained to wage war: kill people, create disorder, impose a new rule of law.

    Using the army to police a city is asking for trouble. See Bloody Sunday for a UK example.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,225
    Latest episode of Slow Horses 10/10
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,948
    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    Crime isn't particularly bad in San Francisco, though. It's certainly a fraction of the level of -say- Memphis.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    55m

    The release of the hostages is a great win and enormous step, but the most critical element of any peace deal is the demilitarization of Hamas, which Hamas has said is not going to happen.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1978563596884807739
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    Crime isn't particularly bad in San Francisco, though. It's certainly a fraction of the level of -say- Memphis.
    The National Guard aren't trained to fight crime so it wouldn't matter even if crime was high in SF.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,443
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    Crime isn't particularly bad in San Francisco, though. It's certainly a fraction of the level of -say- Memphis.
    The distinction between criminal-on-criminal and criminal-on-civilian crime abides though, no?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,948

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

    I think the Texas redistricting could backfire badly: it's creating a whole bunch of districts which the Republicans could easily lose if their Hispanic vote share were to drop back.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,096

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."



    Too late. Leon's already left.

    If crime really is bad there, I don't see what the problem is.
    why not send the troops into the cities in Republican states that have crime rates far higher than SF if that is the objective?
    He has.

    Memphis, Tennessee.

    Perhaps if Dem cities hadn't boasted about flouting federal laws Trump wouldn't have an excuse for acting as he is doing.
    Can I help you out of that gaslit rabbit hole?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    Eabhal said:

    Latest episode of Slow Horses 10/10

    No spoilers please!! I am saving this for the weekend.

    Last week's was a 10 I thought.
  • Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
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    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    They're certainly going to try to fix elections. Both sides in the US have indulged in blatant gerrymandering, the Republicans will just turn the dial up to 11. And a major GOP donor now owns the largest supplier of voting machines.

    But if you rig an election enough the other side won't accept the result, so you get civil war and a break-up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,476
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

    I think the Texas redistricting could backfire badly: it's creating a whole bunch of districts which the Republicans could easily lose if their Hispanic vote share were to drop back.
    I'm liking the sound of this as you would have thought the Hispanic are pissed seeing as they could be dragged off the street and into a car by a thug any minute, but it's the hope that kills you.

    The Voting Rights act may be key in the South?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,046
    carnforth said:

    BBC decline continues:

    "Celia Imrie's fart steals the show on Celebrity Traitors"

    The programme as a whole was very entertaining. First thing on BBC I've looked forward to watching for about 20 years.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,364

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

    These are just excuses for the Dems being crap.

    How about they stop being the party of unrestricted abortion, trans obsessions and illegal immigration.

    And start focusing on economic and social issues that affect working class voters.


  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,538
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    If the Administration seems out of control, that's because all the mechanisms that ought to control them are failing. Mostly by self-immolation.

    It's getting to the point where Michael York's line from Tomorrow Belongs To Me doesn't even work as a rhetorical question.
    The smug section about "Checks and Balances" in every US politics textbook is going to need some revision.
    I'm not sure we can be so smug, either.

    The US is hardly the only place where democracy is subject to challenge. We're not there, for now, but we could be.
    Yep we have fewer Checks and Balances, and consequently even more exposed.

    I suppose the King could dissolve a government that was tending towards tyranny and call new elections, but that would create its own constitutional crisis.
    The Royal Family does not have the self-confidence in its constitutional position to go against the advice of its ministers. We know that from the prorogation. This fundamental weakness of the Royal Family is one of the better arguments for a Republic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

    These are just excuses for the Dems being crap.

    How about they stop being the party of unrestricted abortion, trans obsessions and illegal immigration.

    And start focusing on economic and social issues that affect working class voters.


    How them grocery prices going?

    And health insurance premiums?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,082

    After Comey and James apparently Bolton is the next head on the block.

    Christ what kind of fucked up timeline is this where John Bolton has become a hero of the resistance?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,046
    The 13 seats Your Party would win with today's Electoral Calculus MRP.

    Bradford West
    Blackburn
    Islington North
    Bethnal Green and Stepney
    Birmingham Ladywood
    Leicester South
    Birmingham Perry Barr
    Dewsbury and Batley
    Birmingham Hall Green and Moseley
    Slough
    Ilford South
    Ilford North
    East Ham
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,116

    Eabhal said:

    Latest episode of Slow Horses 10/10

    No spoilers please!! I am saving this for the weekend.

    Last week's was a 10 I thought.
    Last week and this week - both a 10.

    Don't know how you have the will power to wait!

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,538
    edited October 15
    Trump is saying he's going to decide whether Ukraine launches a counteroffensive. What has it got to do with him?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,608
    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:

    BBC decline continues:

    "Celia Imrie's fart steals the show on Celebrity Traitors"

    The programme as a whole was very entertaining. First thing on BBC I've looked forward to watching for about 20 years.
    I am not a fan of reality TV, but I have been hooked on Traitors since the first season, entertaining and a great concept and it is now popular in the US too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,586
    edited October 15
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The China spying case leading the news. Good. First time for ages I haven't switched it off straight away.

    I really haven't followed this story at all.

    Is there a one paragraph summary somewhere?
    This from Sky just now

    https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webview/politics-latest-starmer-india-labour-gaza-protests-tax-12593360
    I wonder what evidence they aren’t publishing?
    It's truly impressive how crap the political intelligence being passed on was:

    https://bsky.app/profile/jessicaelgot.bsky.social/post/3m3b52djvb226

    The Chinese would do better lurking on PB.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,096

    After Comey and James apparently Bolton is the next head on the block.

    Christ what kind of fucked up timeline is this where John Bolton has become a hero of the resistance?
    I wouldn't put it quite like that.

    What is the single common denominator? All three have pissed off Trump. It is as simple as that.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,364
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    18m
    BREAKING: President Trump is considering sending National Guard troops to San Francisco as a part of his "crime crackdown."

    Too late. Leon's already left.

    The administration is out of control, and appears to be trying to foment rebellion.

    The Trump administration has frozen or cut $27 billion in funding in Democrat districts, compared to $739 million in Republican districts. There are open abuses of power occurring daily that would’ve been unthinkable under any other administration.
    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1978458214397001835
    Rebellion means they can avoid an election or elections.

    They have no intention of ever relinquishing power.
    I think more a matter of fixing elections by voter suppression. The USA (unlike the UK) continues with elections even when at war, even in 1864 at the height of their own Civil War, albeit without votes from rebel states.
    Supreme Court will probably hand him the 2026 midterms anyway now via redistricting. So this rush towards martial law seems a little hasty.

    These are just excuses for the Dems being crap.

    How about they stop being the party of unrestricted abortion, trans obsessions and illegal immigration.

    And start focusing on economic and social issues that affect working class voters.


    How them grocery prices going?

    And health insurance premiums?
    Those are the issues the Dems need to campaign on.

    And contrast the struggles of workers compared to the corruption of the Trump clan.

    Will they though ?

    Or will they yet again retreat to their middle class liberal support of unrestricted abortion, trans rights and illegal immigrants ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,046
    edited October 15
    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:

    BBC decline continues:

    "Celia Imrie's fart steals the show on Celebrity Traitors"

    The programme as a whole was very entertaining. First thing on BBC I've looked forward to watching for about 20 years.
    I am not a fan of reality TV, but I have been hooked on Traitors since the first season, entertaining and a great concept and it is now popular in the US too.
    Agree 100%. Because of my stupid attitude towards anything new (assuming they won't be worth watching), I didn't start watching until series 3. I've watched them all now on iPlayer but would have been nice to see the first two series when they were first on.
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