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Bridget over troubled water for Phillipson – politicalbetting.com

The odds continue to lengthen for the Education Secretary to win the deputy leadership contest, she has just three weeks to turn this around.

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    They're both shit candidates.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,514
    She's got my vote.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,263
    edited October 2
    At those odds I am topping a tad on Bridget from an all green position.

    And first...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    When the answer is Lucy Powell, you are asking the wrong question.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    So who gets your vote Max?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,263
    Clear reference to Tom and Jerry in the title there @TSE
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,876
    edited October 2
    Bridget Phillipson is so much the better candidate of the two. They always make the wrong decision. 🙂
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    Andy_JS said:

    Bridget Phillipson is so much the better candidate of the two. They always make the wrong decision. 🙂

    Speaks about the anti Starmer feeling in labour
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    edited October 2

    Clear reference to Tom and Jerry in the title there @TSE

    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    Yay, people have spotted my subtle reference to Simon & Garfunkel in the headline.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect

    I hope so. They smashed down the door of his house about two hours ago.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,650
    Lay the favourite then?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682

    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect

    I hope so. They smashed down the door of his house about two hours ago.
    As a matter of interest how do you know that
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871

    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    So who gets your vote Max?
    Not a Labour party member so I don't get a vote.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    Looking forward to the "Powell play" header at some point, maybe after she wins and tries to take down Starmer?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052

    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect

    I hope so. They smashed down the door of his house about two hours ago.
    As a matter of interest how do you know that
    The media have reported it.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,783
    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,514
    With Burnham's bubble seemingly burst, perhaps members will have second thoughts about voting for his puppet.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect

    I hope so. They smashed down the door of his house about two hours ago.
    As a matter of interest how do you know that
    They have been reporting on LBC since the event occurred. O' Brexit even cancelled Mystery Hour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Selebian said:

    Looking forward to the "Powell play" header at some point, maybe after she wins and tries to take down Starmer?

    You know my mind so well.

    I also have a thread pointing out 51 years ago a Powell helped Labour win a general election, could Lucy be the new Enoch?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682

    Sky

    Police know identity of suspect

    I hope so. They smashed down the door of his house about two hours ago.
    As a matter of interest how do you know that
    They have been reporting on LBC since the event occurred. O' Brexit even cancelled Mystery Hour.
    Thanks
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,332

    When the answer is Lucy Powell, you are asking the wrong question.

    Her pre-Parliamentary career was dominated by working in a campaign role at Britain in Europe. A campaign group so successful that Britain joined the Euro and would never contemplate leaving the EU.

    The Tories should fear her.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    So who gets your vote Max?
    Not a Labour party member so I don't get a vote.
    I'm shocked, shocked I say!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Andy_JS said:

    Bridget Phillipson is so much the better candidate of the two. They always make the wrong decision. 🙂

    Speaks about the anti Starmer feeling in labour
    Does it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682

    Andy_JS said:

    Bridget Phillipson is so much the better candidate of the two. They always make the wrong decision. 🙂

    Speaks about the anti Starmer feeling in labour
    Does it?
    Yes
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2

    When the answer is Lucy Powell, you are asking the wrong question.

    Her pre-Parliamentary career was dominated by working in a campaign role at Britain in Europe. A campaign group so successful that Britain joined the Euro and would never contemplate leaving the EU.

    The Tories should fear her.
    She is poster child for failing upwards, obviously most recently been sacked for being useless at what should be an easy job in cabinet when you are a new government with a massive majority.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    Lucy Powell is the new Thatcher, she read chemistry at university, although unlike the Iron Lady she didn't become a lawyer afterwards.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800
    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    edited October 2

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    The Gaza lot are gearing up for a big protest in Manchester this evening.
    "Not really the time or the place" springs to mind.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,800

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
    AIUI and I'm not really bothered but aren't the virgins in the Islamic heaven perpetually virgin? Where's the fun in that?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,030

    With Burnham's bubble seemingly burst, perhaps members will have second thoughts about voting for his puppet.

    Burnham seems to believe in his own Burnham miracle.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    edited October 2
    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who was in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    Indeed. Terrible incident.

    And it could have been much worse. The terrorist created a commotion by crashing their car, which drew the attention of the Rabbi who promptly barricaded the door of the Synagogue. Thankfully, many of these terrorists don't seem to be very bright.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    I am watching the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police just now on Sky
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    ...
    Omnium said:

    With Burnham's bubble seemingly burst, perhaps members will have second thoughts about voting for his puppet.

    Burnham seems to believe in his own Burnham miracle.
    After last week's premature ejaculation one would suggest the best advice to Burnham is to keep quiet for a while.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    Abolishing the Met would be better though. The whole organisation is rotten to the core, policing should be localised in London at borough level with the NCA taking charge of the rest and maybe a couple of squads that specialise in high profile crimes that happen in London across different territories.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033

    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    I am watching the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police just now on Sky
    (I meant the guy earlier)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,145

    MaxPB said:

    They're both shit candidates.

    Lucy Powell is the new Thatcher, she read chemistry at university, although unlike the Iron Lady she didn't become a lawyer afterwards.
    Chemistry but not law – the new Thérèse Coffey perhaps? Remarkably, all three women were at Somerville College, Oxford.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    edited October 2
    Cookie said:

    The Gaza lot are gearing up for a big protest in Manchester this evening.
    "Not really the time or the place" springs to mind.

    Perhaps not - but the idea that protesting against what is happening in Gaza is somehow indicative of anti-Semitism or even condones what happened today is entirely wrong.

    I'd delay until tomorrow out of respect, but crack on thereafter.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    Indeed. Terrible incident.

    And it could have been much worse. The terrorist created a commotion by crashing their car, which drew the attention of the Rabbi who promptly barricaded the door of the Synagogue. Thankfully, many of these terrorists don't seem to be very bright.
    "Is he a martyr or is he a Jalfrezi?"
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280
    Eabhal said:

    Cookie said:

    The Gaza lot are gearing up for a big protest in Manchester this evening.
    "Not really the time or the place" springs to mind.

    Perhaps not - but the idea that protesting against what is happening in Gaza is somehow indicative of anti-Semitism or even condones what happened today is entirely wrong.

    I'd delay until tomorrow out of respect, but crack on thereafter.
    They were "protesting" before anything even happened in Gaza.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    Indeed. Terrible incident.

    And it could have been much worse. The terrorist created a commotion by crashing their car, which drew the attention of the Rabbi who promptly barricaded the door of the Synagogue. Thankfully, many of these terrorists don't seem to be very bright.
    Thank goodness firearms have been to a great extent outlawed in the UK after Dunblane.

    Another question I have for Mr Farage is: "when you become PM and relax handgun laws, will you take personal responsibility for future mass killings by nutters of all ethnicities?"
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,145
    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    Abolishing the Met would be better though. The whole organisation is rotten to the core, policing should be localised in London at borough level with the NCA taking charge of the rest and maybe a couple of squads that specialise in high profile crimes that happen in London across different territories.
    Breaking up the Met would be popular but expensive and unlikely to help. And it is not as if other forces have been free of trouble, South Yorkshire for instance.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    To merge two topics, it is a bit stupid that a Met police officer is doing the press conference for an incident that happened in Manchester. An obvious reform is to move national responsibilities to the BTP or NCA, and base them in Birmingham or something. That might make the Met slightly less problematic by breaking up some of their structures without abolishing them all together.

    I am watching the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police just now on Sky
    (I meant the guy earlier)
    Was it the Met police or the National Head of UK counter terrorism police ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    Chief Constable Stephen Watson is very posh.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2
    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Given the shit image quality he might have been using the mental 100x zoom that some phones have so could have been quite far away.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    She's on your side.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,138
    edited October 2

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    If somebody is a suspected suicide bomber the last thing I am thinking about is have I got enough space left to capture the footage in 8k on my new iPhone 17 Pro Max.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    A very inappropriate LOL. Can I flag you for that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    A very inappropriate LOL. Can I flag you for that?
    It is impossible to flag my posts, same for Robert's posts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    A very inappropriate LOL. Can I flag you for that?
    It is impossible to flag my posts, same for Robert's posts.
    I can change that, if you like. :smile:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    If somebody is a suspected suicide bomber the last thing I am thinking about is have I got enough space left to capture the footage in 8k on my new iPhone 17 Pro Max.....
    It's bloody annoying when the footage is shown on TV most of the screen is filled with black bars due to them filming it in portrait mode, it looks shite when you've for an 83 inch TV.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    A very inappropriate LOL. Can I flag you for that?
    It is impossible to flag my posts, same for Robert's posts.
    I fat finger flagged Robert before the double click accident prevention system was implemented. He went f***in' apeshit!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    "I think I'm confused, but I'm not sure."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,437

    When the answer is Lucy Powell, you are asking the wrong question.

    Her pre-Parliamentary career was dominated by working in a campaign role at Britain in Europe. A campaign group so successful that Britain joined the Euro and would never contemplate leaving the EU.

    The Tories should fear her.
    Surely the opposite?

    After she stopped working there it all went Pete Tong.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,280
    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    I think it's mostly been Saudi Arabia rather than Iran, hasn't it?

    I can't think of any (UK) terrorists who have been Shia, basically all of them have been Sunni, and worshiped at Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 795
    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    The quality of Sky presenters / correspondences is absolutely through the floor these days.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,196

    Clear reference to Tom and Jerry in the title there @TSE

    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    Yay, people have spotted my subtle reference to Simon & Garfunkel in the headline.
    There was no subtle anything in the headline.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Sandpit said:

    Clear reference to Tom and Jerry in the title there @TSE

    Nigelb said:

    Should we lay her down ?

    Yay, people have spotted my subtle reference to Simon & Garfunkel in the headline.
    There was no subtle anything in the headline.
    You must be new here.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,257
    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    Workers leaving Britain for Europe are facing months of delays in securing crucial paperwork from HM Revenue and Customs.

    Processing times for online A1 forms – which allow emigrants to work on the continent without paying double National Insurance – should take no longer than 15 days.

    But applicants desperate to move to their new base have been stuck in limbo for more than half a year.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/fleeing-britain-huge-paperwork-delays-hmrc/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,437
    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    As a late convert myself (I was atheist until aged 30ish) I get that. I have learnt a lot over the decades, but that tends to be the formal stuff in books and liturgy. For most people religion is a way of life imbued from infancy, and often not congruent to formal teachings. That is a level of understanding that I can never have.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    edited October 2
    While all the distraction of Labour party conference, 2000 more small boats arrivals in last 4 days.

    At rate of one in one out scheme, that will takes about 27 years to do swaps.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,196
    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,646

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
    AIUI and I'm not really bothered but aren't the virgins in the Islamic heaven perpetually virgin? Where's the fun in that?
    In my headcanon, the virgins are sex-starved, beta male baboons.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Workers leaving Britain for Europe are facing months of delays in securing crucial paperwork from HM Revenue and Customs.

    Processing times for online A1 forms – which allow emigrants to work on the continent without paying double National Insurance – should take no longer than 15 days.

    But applicants desperate to move to their new base have been stuck in limbo for more than half a year.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/fleeing-britain-huge-paperwork-delays-hmrc/

    A Brexit bonus?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,651
    Cookie said:

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    If somebody is a suspected suicide bomber the last thing I am thinking about is have I got enough space left to capture the footage in 8k on my new iPhone 17 Pro Max.....
    It's bloody annoying when the footage is shown on TV most of the screen is filled with black bars due to them filming it in portrait mode, it looks shite when you've for an 83 inch TV.
    Eagles, we share a bugbear.

    Most of human existence takes place in a horizontal plane. We are a gravity-affected species and move flatly. Our eyes ae next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Olympic diving and fireworks: portrait is fine. And portraits. But for anything else, landscape.
    What really bugs me is people taking pictures of an actual landscape in portrait. The clue is in the name.
    Beg to differ on the matter of architecture. Too much modern architecture is in landscape format, so to speak.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
    I very much doubt that, but I suspect it is already all over social media.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    Dan Hodges is on one on twitter.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    You should have seen the misinformation when the Minnesota politicians were assassinated and people were wanting to blame in a Democratic Party shooter.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Haha, you have no shame. "Insider sources".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Dan Hodges is on one on twitter.

    Starmer is personally responsible for the intifada?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
    I don't think they'll do that, what I think we will see is the narrative of how "unhelpful" this attack is and "Jews killed in terror attack by a Muslim, Muslims most affected". There will be precisely zero written about the hateful things they've been writing about Jewish people under the guise of "anti-zionist" and how they've been pushing harder and harder to get mental people like this to take up arms against Jewish people.

    I also think there's going to be a lot of thinly veiled "they deserved it" and "they brought it on themselves" articles written, though hopefully not by any major publication.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795
    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    72 year-old virgin?
    AIUI and I'm not really bothered but aren't the virgins in the Islamic heaven perpetually virgin? Where's the fun in that?
    In my headcanon, the virgins are sex-starved, beta male baboons.
    So a Warhammer convention then…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116

    Dan Hodges is on one on twitter.

    Starmer is personally responsible for the intifada?
    Pretty much.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Haha, you have no shame. "Insider sources".
    I'm not a journalist on national TV though, am I?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
    There’s a protest long scheduled in Piccadilly tonight by the pro Gaza lot this evening.

    There’s rumours of a counter protest by those aligned to Tommy Robinson.

    I finished work at 2 today (long planned) but the whole office was told they could leave early today.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.

    I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.

    I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
    It's desperately inappropriate, but I can't get the rubber dinghy rapids line from Four Lions out of my head, reading this.

    ETA: Four Lions got to the stupidity of this. I feel mainly for the victims, of course. But the perpetrator, what a stupidly futile thing to do. It does bugger all for any cause.
    Same, the fact that Four Lions was set in Sheffield didn't help.

    Funny thing is, I knew a real life Barry, from London.

    He regularly used to chastise me for not being a good Muslim, the zeal of a convert is never good.

    Edit Chris Morris explained Barry was based on a real life guy who in the BNP who regularly used to attack Muslims, then he decided to learn the Quran so he could mock the Muslims he was assaulting but ended up converting himself.
    That's a very well observed comment, but in measure it is down to what you do with your new convert, and how carefully (using church language) they are "discipled", and encouraged to reflect on, develop, and live out their new values.

    One thing we British failed to address about for decades was the radicalising effect of support of Mosques and provision of Imams by the competing religious establishments of Iran and Saudi.

    The shoe bomber was a convert.

    Also in Trumpistan, some (I have not counted how many) of the senior people are also converts or radicalised as adults. Vance and Hegseth are two such.

    In this country the same applies to Danny Kruger, who was an adult convert at the time he met his wife.

    It does not mean that particular people will turn to violence, but it does mean they have a relatively narrow base, and may be more vulnerable to different kinds of radicalisation, and to reject things that they perceive as being associated with the former version of themselves.

    It speaks to the need of careful discipling of converts, and exposure to different views. That can only be voluntary of course, but needs to include a broadening, rather than a coaxing further down the rabbit hole for more thorough indoctrination.

    That is a human process which operates in any political, religious or ideological group, and is imo how a maturity of view is developed.
    As a late convert myself (I was atheist until aged 30ish) I get that. I have learnt a lot over the decades, but that tends to be the formal stuff in books and liturgy. For most people religion is a way of life imbued from infancy, and often not congruent to formal teachings. That is a level of understanding that I can never have.
    You’re fortunate, given how many people struggle to escape from childhood indoctrination like that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044

    Workers leaving Britain for Europe are facing months of delays in securing crucial paperwork from HM Revenue and Customs.

    Processing times for online A1 forms – which allow emigrants to work on the continent without paying double National Insurance – should take no longer than 15 days.

    But applicants desperate to move to their new base have been stuck in limbo for more than half a year.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/fleeing-britain-huge-paperwork-delays-hmrc/

    A Brexit bonus?
    One Brexit bonus I have enjoyed - not worrying too much about being flashed by European speed cameras because they’re not going to get the driver’s details from the Uk - looks like it will soon be coming to an end.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,408
    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,220
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    I do wonder about some people, the guy capturing the images on mobile phone despite the police screaming to get back stands there going ohhhh loook he has a bomb, ohhh he is trying to press a button, .....

    Not going to lie, what really pisses me off about these people, they usually record the footage in portrait mode, not landscape, absolute roasters.
    If somebody is a suspected suicide bomber the last thing I am thinking about is have I got enough space left to capture the footage in 8k on my new iPhone 17 Pro Max.....
    It's bloody annoying when the footage is shown on TV most of the screen is filled with black bars due to them filming it in portrait mode, it looks shite when you've for an 83 inch TV.
    Eagles, we share a bugbear.

    Most of human existence takes place in a horizontal plane. We are a gravity-affected species and move flatly. Our eyes ae next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Olympic diving and fireworks: portrait is fine. And portraits. But for anything else, landscape.
    What really bugs me is people taking pictures of an actual landscape in portrait. The clue is in the name.
    Beg to differ on the matter of architecture. Too much modern architecture is in landscape format, so to speak.
    Yeah, fair enough - if I were to take a picture of a skyscraper I would use portrait.

    But generally, for video, portrait almost never works. The vast majority of movement filmed is horizontal rather than vertical.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
    There’s a protest long scheduled in Piccadilly tonight by the pro Gaza lot this evening.

    There’s rumours of a counter protest by those aligned to Tommy Robinson.

    I finished work at 2 today (long planned) but the whole office was told they could leave early today.
    Yaxley-Lennon must be conflicted today, going out for a ruck to support a creed he despises.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,609
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandraMc said:

    Condolences to all affected by the dreadful Manchester incident.

    A Sky reporter has just referred to the terrorist attack on the Manchester mosque. FFS.

    Hardwired to spread misinformation.
    Prediction: someone in the Sundays will write an opinion piece loosely suggesting it was a false flag.
    We've already had the Norm MacDonald takes starting
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    edited October 2

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    edited October 2
    The need to buy bread in Italy at least every other day is surely a good thing, annoying though it can be when Monday’s rolls are like cardboard come Wednesday.

    At the other extreme, the loaf of bread I once bought in Indianapolis and drove round the Midwest for ten days in a hot car, without a spot of mould ever appearing on it, was just scary.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,096

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Just had a work email saying be careful travelling home tonight. Were big demonstrations planned tonight?

    Depends where it is. None round here planned.
    You in Manchester too? We've had the same. The Gaza lot are planning something at Piccadilly. As I said earlier, not really the time or the place.
    There’s a protest long scheduled in Piccadilly tonight by the pro Gaza lot this evening.

    There’s rumours of a counter protest by those aligned to Tommy Robinson.

    I finished work at 2 today (long planned) but the whole office was told they could leave early today.
    Yaxley-Lennon must be conflicted today, going out for a ruck to support a creed he despises.
    "Islam is peaceful." - Tommeh.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    edited October 2

    Everyone’s becoming addicted to victimhood. Rachel Reeves who’s barely capable of influencing her hairdresser is apparently responsible for inciting a torrent of hatred towards Michelle and Doug.

    Which idiot ennobled this idiot?

    https://x.com/michellemone/status/1973115284803158026?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    She still calls herself Lady Michelle Mone?

    I do feel a little bit sorry for Michie and Dougie. They will uniquely carry the can for Boris Johnson's dodgy friends and family fast track grift.
    Well, her company is going to declare itself bankrupt and unable to repay even a smidgin of the £120,000,000 billion demand they’ve just been handed by the courts. Meanwhile the stolen money sits in Michelle’s (hubby’s) trust fund and what are the chances we taxpayers will ever get any of that back?
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