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edited September 30 in General
Could an Aberdeenshire hotelier become our Prime Minister? – politicalbetting.com

The reason I am so confident about this is Trump’s really poor ratings with British voters even before we consider the logistical and age related challenges of Trump standing to become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    edited September 23
    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    Second. Like the GOP next year, hopefully
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310
    Twitter clickbait this 😂😂😂😂
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,817
    Sandpit said:

    Foss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Wow, US Secret Service have taken down a warehouse near the UN with a server farm containing 100,000 SIM cards, seemingly intended to overwhelm the mobile networks in New York.

    https://x.com/secretservice/status/1970445933667082482

    The chap who gives the briefing is apparently called Matt McCool.
    Because of course he is!
    It's aways a little bit of a letdown when the writers forget to change a placeholder name.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,147
    Taz said:

    Twitter clickbait this 😂😂😂😂

    You'll never guess what happened next....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I expect most of the UK population aren't bothered by population decline, it means less homes needed, less congestion, more green space and higher gdp per capita.

    Though we would need some immigrants to provide social care until the large boomer population died off
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    Trump tells the EU to stop buying oil and gas from Russia and he will be talking to the EU today
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    Twitter clickbait this 😂😂😂😂

    You'll never guess what happened next....
    This one simple trick will...

    Get people reading your articles? :lol:
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,426
    On the photo, I think that if Trump wasn't smeared with orange he would end up looking a lot older. Looking a bit weird and oddly coloured is one thing, but if he were to be pale and look all of his 79 years then suddenly all of his rambling and miss-speaks would only reinforce the perception of how old he was.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    Trump says nuclear weapons use means no more UN and unbelievable danger, will have an AI verification method for biological weapons
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,817
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    Returning to environmental balance is always going to involve the world-wide population peaking and going into decline until it reaches a better equilibrium.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    FPT...
    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    LostPassword said:

    Cookie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sandpit said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Sandpit said:

    Polymarket Democratic Party 2028 nomination, with $47m traded already!

    https://polymarket.com/event/democratic-presidential-nominee-2028

    I’m definitely laying the favourite (Gavin Newsom).

    It’s obviously a name recognition market at this stage, and we have no idea who’s running for at least another two years, but there’s likely to be a handful of those currently at trading 2%-4% involved.

    Trading bets for now: what do we reckon?

    Pete Buttigieg
    Gretchen Whitmer
    Wes Moore
    John Ossoff
    Josh Shapiro
    Andy Beshear
    JB Pritzker

    Value from those:

    Pritzker seems to be playing the moment effectively. Feisty opposition but with gravitas.

    Harris seems like she wants to run as she's doing a lot of media and the Dems usually pick the next in line. Not clear if losing the election causes you to lose your place in line but she's only 4 cents.
    Harris is on a book tour at the moment, and seems to be doing a great job of reminding everyone why she was such a terrible candidate last time out.

    I can’t image them going for a retread, having given her a coronation last time. I’m expecting a dozen runners for the first debate ahead of the primaries.
    If Harris was a terrible candidate (hint; she was not), then Trump must be an absolutely catastrophic one.
    Oh come on Josias, she was awful. She was perceived - I would say rightly, but that doesn't matter: as a candidate, it's the perception that counts - as so far from the concerns of the middle American voter that she was beaten by a charlatan like Trump. Incredible though it seems from this perspective, lots of people perceived him as the safer candidate.
    Trump is a catastrophic *president* As a candidate, he was merely bad - as shown by his ability, twice, to beat terrible candidates. When up against another merely bad candidate*, he lost convincingly.

    *Biden is a bit sui generis. Because if you look back to the Biden of the noughties and early teenies, he was sharp, articulate, folksy and able to connect - a very good candidate indeed. But by 2020 this Biden was a Biden of the past.
    The odd thing is that Biden as President arguably had the most successful domestic policy agenda of any President as far as I can remember. There's lots of good things happening in terms of infrastructure and business investment because of his legislation. And the achievement to get that legislation through an exceptionally divided Congress is quite something, and speaks to Biden's enduring ability.

    Obviously the fall of Kabul was devastating, I thought he was too timid on Ukraine, in the end his health failed him, and he should have stuck to his pledge to be a bridge to the next generation, but I think he compares very well to other US Presidents post the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    The Dems lost mainly because inflation was high, which wasn't Biden's fault, but incumbents tend to lose when inflation is high.
    Perhaps if Biden had supported Ukraine enough to win, rather than enough to avoid losing, then the issue of inflation might have been resolved by the end of the war and the end of sanctions.
    I don't agree with the contention that Biden wasn't supporting Ukraine to win, but even if Biden could have done more and Ukraine had achieved a swift victory, there still would have been a period of war that impacted on energy prices. Also, some of the inflation was due to a COVID rebound. So, no, I think the inflation was largely out of Biden's control.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    Is "Sell my family into indentured servitude to raise funds to back Donald Trump in markets 1) and 2)" (emphasis mine) satire or typo?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    edited September 23
    UN funding uncontrolled immigration and migrants journeys to the US says Trump who the US then have to remove
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    Twitter clickbait this 😂😂😂😂

    You'll never guess what happened next....
    Page 10 will shock you
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,392
    Ed Davey just mentioned the orange twerps' daftest idea so far. Through JFK, he cut half a billion dollars' worth of research on M-RNA vaccines. The future of vaccines was the future of cancer research. Who knows what will go missing now?

    A fool let loose can cause unknown damage, and I blame the Democrats for lying about Bidens mental health. They gave the lunatics the chance to take over the asylum.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,278
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,147
    Selebian said:

    Is "Sell my family into indentured servitude to raise funds to back Donald Trump in markets 1) and 2)" (emphasis mine) satire or typo?

    Fake news!

    I have corrupted my typo.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Selebian said:

    Is "Sell my family into indentured servitude to raise funds to back Donald Trump in markets 1) and 2)" (emphasis mine) satire or typo?

    Fake news!

    I have corrupted my typo.
    Shame. I was going to offer the other side of that bet to help you out!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    Trump says the EU in serious trouble with illegal aliens and nobody is doing anything and moves onto to attack London for introducing Sharia law

    This is extremely inflammatory language by Trump
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,278
    Surely has to be China behind arranging 100,000 SIM cards in several different locations in New York, with the intention of overwhelming the mobile networks around the UN meeting.

    https://x.com/kareemrifai/status/1970464512781291826

    Piles of hardware in diplomatic bags or otherwise smuggled into the US?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,680
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Trump says the EU in serious trouble with illegal aliens and nobody is doing anything and moves onto to attack London for introducing Sharia law

    This is extremely inflammatory language by Trump

    I couldn’t stomach watching it so thanks for your update .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,208
    Former Arsenal striker suffers ‘significant brain injury’ after collision with wall
    Billy Vigar in induced coma after becoming latest footballer to be seriously injured by impact with a pitch-side structure
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/09/23/billy-vigar-arsenal-induced-coma-wall-chichester-non-league/ (£££)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    I am surprised there seems to be nobody walking out on this or maybe the media are not showing it

    A predictable but utterly depressing speech from Trump continuing division and conflict
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310
    edited September 23
    CD13 said:

    Ed Davey just mentioned the orange twerps' daftest idea so far. Through JFK, he cut half a billion dollars' worth of research on M-RNA vaccines. The future of vaccines was the future of cancer research. Who knows what will go missing now?

    A fool let loose can cause unknown damage, and I blame the Democrats for lying about Bidens mental health. They gave the lunatics the chance to take over the asylum.

    I’m sure thats uppermost in the minds of voters in his target seats
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
    Presumably it is possible for the UK population with immigration to be anywhere between 48 and 86 million. It's not a binary, on/off situation.

    What are the projections based on? They appear to be assuming a rate of net immigration higher than we'll probably see in 2025.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,551
    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    Society is one big Ponzi scheme.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,913
    edited September 23
    Taz said:

    CD13 said:

    Ed Davey just mentioned the orange twerps' daftest idea so far. Through JFK, he cut half a billion dollars' worth of research on M-RNA vaccines. The future of vaccines was the future of cancer research. Who knows what will go missing now?

    A fool let loose can cause unknown damage, and I blame the Democrats for lying about Bidens mental health. They gave the lunatics the chance to take over the asylum.

    I’m sure thats uppermost in the minds of voters in his target seats
    I think anything that is detrimental to cancer research would be very relevant among LD supporters and potential supporters from the Tories.

    Your usual anti libdem snide comment there, Taz.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,208
    Sandpit said:

    Surely has to be China behind arranging 100,000 SIM cards in several different locations in New York, with the intention of overwhelming the mobile networks around the UN meeting.

    https://x.com/kareemrifai/status/1970464512781291826

    Piles of hardware in diplomatic bags or otherwise smuggled into the US?

    Without going all Jeremy Corbyn about life, let's wait and see. 100,000 sim cards and 300 servers is well within the range of Russia or China, Israel or Iran. It's less than a million dollars' worth of hardware so it could even be home-grown cranks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    Trump says Starmer should drill North Sea Oil and not ruin the countryside with wind turbines
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    Trump saying he told Starmer over three days to drill for oil in the north sea
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,426
    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,523
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I am surprised there seems to be nobody walking out on this or maybe the media are not showing it

    A predictable but utterly depressing speech from Trump continuing division and conflict

    Even by Trump's abysmal standards the last few days have been extraordinary. The rage of hate at the Kirk event, the bizarre talk about medications and now this. There was also that weird episode about gold paint. He is well beyond not being fit to be President, he is positively dangerous.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,913
    HYUFD said:

    Trump says Starmer should drill North Sea Oil and not ruin the countryside with wind turbines

    What a twat
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,200
    edited September 23
    I do quite like the current BBC front page.

    Both Davey and Trump in the "is the roof leaking?" stance.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    edited September 23
    I am right about everything

    I am the President of the US but I hate to see what is happening in Europe

    The carbon footprint is a hoax
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    We don't have a system that can only function with a growing population. (Even if we did, not every such system constitutes a Ponzi scheme, which is a specific sort of fraudulent financial scheme.)

    But, hey, if you want to bring down capitalism, go for it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,777
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I am surprised there seems to be nobody walking out on this or maybe the media are not showing it

    A predictable but utterly depressing speech from Trump continuing division and conflict

    Even by Trump's abysmal standards the last few days have been extraordinary. The rage of hate at the Kirk event, the bizarre talk about medications and now this. There was also that weird episode about gold paint. He is well beyond not being fit to be President, he is positively dangerous.
    He certainly is
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Taz said:

    CD13 said:

    Ed Davey just mentioned the orange twerps' daftest idea so far. Through JFK, he cut half a billion dollars' worth of research on M-RNA vaccines. The future of vaccines was the future of cancer research. Who knows what will go missing now?

    A fool let loose can cause unknown damage, and I blame the Democrats for lying about Bidens mental health. They gave the lunatics the chance to take over the asylum.

    I’m sure thats uppermost in the minds of voters in his target seats
    I think anything that is detrimental to cancer research would be very relevant among LD supporters and potential supporters from the Tories.

    Your usual anti libdem snide comment there, Taz.
    Nothing to stop any private business or other govt funding it. Do Lib Dem voters in the shires expect the US taxpayers to fund the research. ?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    Trump says eco warriors 'want to kill all the cows'
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,887
    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,426
    bondegezou said:

    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    We don't have a system that can only function with a growing population. (Even if we did, not every such system constitutes a Ponzi scheme, which is a specific sort of fraudulent financial scheme.)

    But, hey, if you want to bring down capitalism, go for it.
    People continually say that Britain cannot function without immigration of a scale that results in a growing population. Perhaps they're wrong.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,122
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I've right about everything

    I am the President of the US but I hate to see what is happening in Europe

    The carbon footprint is a hoax

    Thank you for listening so that the rest of us don't have to.

    It does sound like the speech Father Ted gave when he won the Golden Cleric award; "... and now, we move on to "Liars"..."

    Nobody can be surprised at Trump's speech, can they? Not by now. The question is whether Trump's manner and actions discredit his views. The Republicans might be too far down the rabbit hole, but maybe elsewhere?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    HYUFD said:

    Trump says eco warriors 'want to kill all the cows'

    They certainly seem to want to kill all the kite festivals... ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,789
    HYUFD said:

    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it

    Oh come on: being Prime Minister of the UK is much better.

    Firstly, you can keep doing it forever. There's no pesky constitution banning your number of terms.
    Secondly, you don't have to release your tax returns.
    Thirdly, as you're head of your Party in Parliament, there's no separate power base for politicians who oppose you. And there's no midterms, so you never have to deal with a hostile parliament.
    Fourth, there's no limits on who you can sack!
    Fifth, you get to strut around at Prime Minister's Question Time every week. And so long as you're facing Ed Davey and Kemi, you'll look smart as a tack.
    Six: tea with the King! Like, every week. You may even be able to use that to marry off one of your less attractive children to someone in the Royal Family
    Seven, policing a bit of sea has to be easier than building a wall.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    Thanks, but no thanks...Disappointing if they don't come with typos.

    Yours for just £280: An ‘ethically made’ Guardian jumper
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/23/guardian-sells-jumpers-for-281-after-reporting-30m-loss/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,789
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it

    Oh come on: being Prime Minister of the UK is much better.

    Firstly, you can keep doing it forever. There's no pesky constitution banning your number of terms.
    Secondly, you don't have to release your tax returns.
    Thirdly, as you're head of your Party in Parliament, there's no separate power base for politicians who oppose you. And there's no midterms, so you never have to deal with a hostile parliament.
    Fourth, there's no limits on who you can sack!
    Fifth, you get to strut around at Prime Minister's Question Time every week. And so long as you're facing Ed Davey and Kemi, you'll look smart as a tack.
    Six: tea with the King! Like, every week. You may even be able to use that to marry off one of your less attractive children to someone in the Royal Family
    Seven, policing a bit of sea has to be easier than building a wall.

    Eight: London has better restaurants! (Albeit I understand that the President rarely goes beyong Macdonalds.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,789
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Trump tells the EU to stop buying oil and gas from Russia and he will be talking to the EU today

    The EU countries that buy the most Russian oil & gas are mostly the ones who are friendliest with the US... Maybe be should have a word.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it

    Oh come on: being Prime Minister of the UK is much better.

    Firstly, you can keep doing it forever. There's no pesky constitution banning your number of terms.
    Secondly, you don't have to release your tax returns.
    Thirdly, as you're head of your Party in Parliament, there's no separate power base for politicians who oppose you. And there's no midterms, so you never have to deal with a hostile parliament.
    Fourth, there's no limits on who you can sack!
    Fifth, you get to strut around at Prime Minister's Question Time every week. And so long as you're facing Ed Davey and Kemi, you'll look smart as a tack.
    Six: tea with the King! Like, every week. You may even be able to use that to marry off one of your less attractive children to someone in the Royal Family
    Seven, policing a bit of sea has to be easier than building a wall.

    Except you can be removed at a whim by your own MPs as May, Boris and Truss found out
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    Did the (il)liberal democrats have any interesting policies to announce at their conference?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476
    edited September 23
    Mexicanpete said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Did you see Chris Mason almost having a meltdown in that interview with Davey .

    Perhaps Davey should have asked him then why he updated his original fawning Reform article to include some criticisms . Why he only added the stuff about the anti vaxxer and Connolly two days after the original puff piece . Clearly the original piece was basically a fellate job on Farage and totally biased .
  • glwglw Posts: 10,544
    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    CD13 said:

    Ed Davey just mentioned the orange twerps' daftest idea so far. Through JFK, he cut half a billion dollars' worth of research on M-RNA vaccines. The future of vaccines was the future of cancer research. Who knows what will go missing now?

    A fool let loose can cause unknown damage, and I blame the Democrats for lying about Bidens mental health. They gave the lunatics the chance to take over the asylum.

    I don't. I blame Mitch McConnell for not whipping his Senators to impeach.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,418
    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    We don't have a system that can only function with a growing population. (Even if we did, not every such system constitutes a Ponzi scheme, which is a specific sort of fraudulent financial scheme.)

    But, hey, if you want to bring down capitalism, go for it.
    People continually say that Britain cannot function without immigration of a scale that results in a growing population. Perhaps they're wrong.
    People say many things... Many of them are nonsense.

    There are concerns about the economic impact of a (rapidly) declining and ageing population (although I'm sure we could cope if it did happen). A stable population or even one that was only declining slowly would not appear to break anything fundamental.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Cummings.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    The Home Office has been refused permission to challenge a High Court ruling that temporarily blocked an Eritrean migrant's deportation to France - dealing another blow to Labour's flailing 'one in, one out' scheme.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15125941/Home-Office-loses-bid-challenge-High-Court-ruling-granted-Eritrean-man-temporary-block-deportation-France-one-one-scheme.html
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,442
    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Eric, son of Big T.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    Foss said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    Returning to environmental balance is always going to involve the world-wide population peaking and going into decline until it reaches a better equilibrium.
    People moving about doesn’t really change worldwide population, except through any changes in habits
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    The real story of this header is that Rees-Mogg is what we call in polite society a fucking imbecile.

    This is however not news.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    @Leon ;)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    Mexicanpete said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    You can get LBC via the app, or digital radio if you have it
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,122
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it

    Oh come on: being Prime Minister of the UK is much better.

    Firstly, you can keep doing it forever. There's no pesky constitution banning your number of terms.
    Secondly, you don't have to release your tax returns.
    Thirdly, as you're head of your Party in Parliament, there's no separate power base for politicians who oppose you. And there's no midterms, so you never have to deal with a hostile parliament.
    Fourth, there's no limits on who you can sack!
    Fifth, you get to strut around at Prime Minister's Question Time every week. And so long as you're facing Ed Davey and Kemi, you'll look smart as a tack.
    Six: tea with the King! Like, every week. You may even be able to use that to marry off one of your less attractive children to someone in the Royal Family
    Seven, policing a bit of sea has to be easier than building a wall.

    Obviously you are mostly right, but are you sure about point 3? It's easy- possibly too easy- for MPs to dump a Prime Minister they don't want as soon as they don't want them. Separate mandates, the Primary system and the amount of money you need to get anywhere in US politics mean that objectively wrong people (Trump, natch, but also late-era Biden and HRC on the other side) are really hard to remove.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,402
    JosiasJessop said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump says eco warriors 'want to kill all the cows'

    They certainly seem to want to kill all the kite festivals... ;)
    No, we've established that Nature England are changing the landscape without bothering to even do a study. Because they "feels".

    Such a grotesque anti-science attitude is core MAGA.

    If we don't stop them, they will probably pour bleach on the SSSI to "improve it".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,147
    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,402
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    First, why would Trump want to swap being the most powerful man in the world as POTUS and a head of state for basically chief administrator for a middle ranking nation and not even head of state, that is the King?

    Second, yes he has no chance of winning a UK general election either, the UK is basically in US terms a North Eastern blue state like New Jersey or Massachusetts or New York. He would win most of the Reform vote and that is it

    Oh come on: being Prime Minister of the UK is much better.

    Firstly, you can keep doing it forever. There's no pesky constitution banning your number of terms.
    Secondly, you don't have to release your tax returns.
    Thirdly, as you're head of your Party in Parliament, there's no separate power base for politicians who oppose you. And there's no midterms, so you never have to deal with a hostile parliament.
    Fourth, there's no limits on who you can sack!
    Fifth, you get to strut around at Prime Minister's Question Time every week. And so long as you're facing Ed Davey and Kemi, you'll look smart as a tack.
    Six: tea with the King! Like, every week. You may even be able to use that to marry off one of your less attractive children to someone in the Royal Family
    Seven, policing a bit of sea has to be easier than building a wall.

    Eight: London has better restaurants! (Albeit I understand that the President rarely goes beyong Macdonalds.)
    I'm just imagining Donald Fucking Trump in Tayyabs
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,426
    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Trump tells the EU to stop buying oil and gas from Russia and he will be talking to the EU today

    The EU countries that buy the most Russian oil & gas are mostly the ones who are friendliest with the US... Maybe be should have a word.
    I don't know if it is coincidence or not, but the sequence of events seems to have run as follows.

    1. Ukraine hits the Druzhba pipeline that supplies Russian oil to Hungary and Slovakia.
    2. Orban and Fico complain to Trump about this, asking him to intervene with the Ukrainians and get them to back off.
    3. Trump starts lambasting the Europeans for buying Russian oil.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    Theuniondivvie said:

    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Eric, son of Big T.
    I was momentarily wondering when Sean had changed his name, then I realised the T stood for 'Trump.'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    edited September 23
    LostPassword said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Trump tells the EU to stop buying oil and gas from Russia and he will be talking to the EU today

    The EU countries that buy the most Russian oil & gas are mostly the ones who are friendliest with the US... Maybe be should have a word.
    I don't know if it is coincidence or not, but the sequence of events seems to have run as follows.

    1. Ukraine hits the Druzhba pipeline that supplies Russian oil to Hungary and Slovakia.
    2. Orban and Fico complain to Trump about this, asking him to intervene with the Ukrainians and get them to back off.
    3. Trump starts lambasting the Europeans for buying Russian oil.
    I suppose we should just be glad he's not blaming sharks or e-boats.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,677
    On topic.

    Surely Trump wouldn't settle for PM. He's more a Glorious Revolution 2.0 kind of guy. If the US won't allow a Trump Dynasty perhaps PM Farage would invite him to replace those tree-hugging eco-loons in Buckingham Palace. It's not as if the UK doesn't have form for this sort of cancel culture.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,226
    Off topic: Anyone seen the fence paint anywhere ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,680
    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    Broadly speaking, until pretty recently in human history, a steadily growing population was desirable, and a falling population undesirable. Birth rates and death rates were both huge, and the trick was to keep the former slightly higher than the latter.

    What we should strive for now, is a rough equilibrium.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    edited September 23
    Battlebus said:

    On topic.

    Surely Trump wouldn't settle for PM. He's more a Glorious Revolution 2.0 kind of guy. If the US won't allow a Trump Dynasty perhaps PM Farage would invite him to replace those tree-hugging eco-loons in Buckingham Palace. It's not as if the UK doesn't have form for this sort of cancel culture.

    He has no royal blood, William III was a Dutch Prince married to the daughter of the ousted King James II.

    Trump would not want to be a mere constitutional monarch anyway, he would want to be an absolute monarch like monarchs pre Charles I, so would swiftly demote Farage to be his grand adviser or something and make himself head of government as well as head of state as he is as POTUS
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon.
    One is a billionaire and President of the USA and the other is a millionaire thriller writer paid to travel the world, not bad for being dumb
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,122
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon.
    One is a billionaire and President of the USA and the other is a millionaire thriller writer paid to travel the world, not bad for being dumb
    I think what that shows is that, although there may be a correlation between talent, industry and virtue on one hand, and wealth on the other, it's not a perfect one.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049
    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    Twitter clickbait this 😂😂😂😂

    You'll never guess what happened next....
    Page 10 will shock you
    They don't want you to know this but...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049
    Pulpstar said:

    Off topic: Anyone seen the fence paint anywhere ?

    Try under the stairs, under the sink, or in the shed. Usually next to the brushes and the thinner.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,340
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    Which suggests that massive immigration controls are needed in the UK so that the would be immigrants will instead migrate to countries which need them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,828
    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049
    I have just tried to book tickets for the BFI Southbank showing of "Black Hawk Down" tomorrow night. They won't let me do it without opening an account. Grrr. I'll have to rock up on the day and buy a ticket. Which I shall.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,147
    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Low IQ Leon thinks it is wise to criticise the site editor.

    You’ll never guess what happened next.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    You live rent free inside all our heads.

    So when the new decor gets you down, you have an escape route.

    But it's not all good news. Hyufd has declared you are a millionaire, so bankruptcy looms,
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,913
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon.
    One is a billionaire and President of the USA and the other is a millionaire thriller writer paid to travel the world, not bad for being dumb
    Lee Child?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,457
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Low IQ Leon thinks it is wise to criticise the site editor.

    You’ll never guess what happened next.
    The admin changed his username to SeanT?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Low IQ Leon thinks it is wise to criticise the site editor.

    You’ll never guess what happened next.
    you're going to put up THAT Farage photo?

    *freezes in horror*
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049
    I can only assume that Jacob Rees-Mogg, who is many things but (probably) not stupid, was taking the piss here.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,789
    Sean_F said:

    LostPassword said:

    bondegezou said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    Broadly speaking, until pretty recently in human history, a steadily growing population was desirable, and a falling population undesirable. Birth rates and death rates were both huge, and the trick was to keep the former slightly higher than the latter.

    What we should strive for now, is a rough equilibrium.
    Equilibrium in terms of ratio of workers-to-retirees, or equiibrium in terms of total numbers? Because neither is a panacea. If we could just get people more comfortable with a Brave New World attitude towards euthanasia, then we could probably get both.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603
    'In the past year, the Lib Dems have backed Keir Starmer in Parliament over 120 times.

    They are not a serious opposition party.'

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1970492106973286450
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    It's like when you're constipated and haven't been able to expel your waste for a few days. You finally do one, you get rid of the stinking excrement, and you feel really good. Yet occasionally you remember getting rid of that shit with some fondness, as an act of cleansing. You don't like the effect it had on you, but getting rid of it was good. A cleansing. A purging. You are better off without it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,147
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Low IQ Leon thinks it is wise to criticise the site editor.

    You’ll never guess what happened next.
    you're going to put up THAT Farage photo?

    *freezes in horror*
    I am going to change his user name to Leon_voted_for_Starmer
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon, obvs. Coming out with it is one thing; lapping it all up is quite another.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I think calling it research is a stretch. Confidently predicting things for 75 years hence?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570
    HYUFD said:

    'In the past year, the Lib Dems have backed Keir Starmer in Parliament over 120 times.

    They are not a serious opposition party.'

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1970492106973286450

    Opposition ought not be opposing EVERYTHING a government does. To often that's what happens.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,789
    turbotubbs said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I think calling it research is a stretch. Confidently predicting things for 75 years hence?
    I think the correct word is 'extrapolation'.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,402
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Low IQ Leon thinks it is wise to criticise the site editor.

    You’ll never guess what happened next.
    you're going to put up THAT Farage photo?

    *freezes in horror*
    Puts on black cap

    "You have been found guilty of crime against PB. You shall be taken hence to a place of punishment. There to be immured in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn.

    The entertainment is the worst song by Radiohead played on continuous loop 24/7 with no access to volume control, and a laptop that only allows you to read the comments on Con Home. And code in Python.

    The only food is pizza with pineapple on it.

    May the Lord have no mercy on your benighted soul."
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,068
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    Quick pop quiz. Name one person dumber than Trump?

    Leon.
    One is a billionaire and President of the USA and the other is a millionaire thriller writer paid to travel the world, not bad for being dumb
    So clearly neither intellectual nor genital inadequacy is a bar to earning lots of money.
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