More people think Starmer’s deal is a good deal than a bad deal – politicalbetting.com
More people think Starmer’s deal is a good deal than a bad deal – politicalbetting.com
Britons are split on whether the Brexit reset deal with the EU is a good or bad dealGood deal: 29%Neither good nor bad: 16%Bad deal: 26%yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…
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That's the main reason British politics is how it is. Farage and like-minded souls in the media are the only people willing and able to make an argument repeatedly and change people's minds. Everyone else in politics seems to have forgotten that you need to win the argument.
Edit: And first apparently.
I'm interested in the % who now deny they voted for it.
It will take at least the rest of this government to negotiate everything though.
Of course on Brexit the political divide remains clear, 79% of Labour and 74% of LD voters want to rejoin the EU, 81% of Reform and 64% of Conservative voters don't. 71% of Labour and 79% of LD voters also want to rejoin the Single Market, compared to 37% of Conservative and just 22% of Reform voters who wish to rejoin the EEA.
Conservative voters most common position is to keep the relationship with the EU as is, which 48% back and 28% oppose.
Reform voters want to go even further, with 42% wanting to loosen the UK relationship with the EU even further, 27% opposed
https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Copy_of_Internal_Brexit_250519.pdf
Very Good 6% Very Bad 16%
This is a disastrous response to it for Starmer and Labour.
With luck the press and Reform can batter and batter at these numbers until it is 30% very bad and 1% very good (which is correct, as it is bad) and then Starmer must be nailed to it for all time. Make it as calamitous as Winter Fuel
Essentially we’re in the same structural position as Switzerland - as more enlightened commentators always said we would be - and now have to put in a lot of hard yards to inch our way towards the same level of benefit.
https://xcancel.com/0xgaut/status/1924895003593089457#m
IIRC the Daily Mail even said that 'They had never wavered in their support for Britain being part of Europe!'
How times have changed!
You’re just a Farage foot soldier peddling propaganda.
The reality is that it’s just not a big deal.
Some of the seat calculations on models are a bit overdone imo, I'm expecting (to take in the previous threads premise for a sec) LD tactical unwind and a bit of 're efficiency' in the Tory vote and a bit of de efficiency in Labour (as tactical voting goes against them), although they are heading for a 24 style Tory vote collapse anyway.
Hope you're all well anyway. Glorious George is having fun trolling Starmer today. Plus ca change
Responses to policies are always conditioned by political preferences, so given that backdrop it’s a decent showing. Not a game changer, but decent.
We need to get Nigel into Number 10, we can surely all agree on that? This will really help
But probably playing the troll here until everything does a very good impression of revolving around him and his utterances makes him feel good for some reason.
If he's guffing off about 'excitement' over e gates you know it's garbage 🗑
So, this summer, there will be a fuckload of disappointed British tourists, and his numbers tank even further
The only party which has consistently been pro EEC/EU are the Liberals from Thorpe campaigning for Yes to join in 1975 to Clegg being a key proponent of Remain in 2016 (as well as Foot Labour being anti EEC the SNP and Plaid originally opposed Scotland and Wales being in the EEC too)
Once digested the tummy aches begin
Things probably come to a head for Starmer before then anyway - disability vote is the moment
@lukeakehurst
During the local elections I repeatedly heard from local pensioners across North Durham about the impact on their household finances of the means testing of the Winter Fuel Allowance. I am therefore very pleased that the Prime Minister has listened to the public on this issue and announced that because economic growth means the public finances are in a better place, the Government is able to review the income threshold for Winter Fuel Allowance. We heard you and we will be acting.
https://x.com/lukeakehurst/status/1925168670377980073
A bit like their definition of removals
The challenge is *how*.
While we're about it, let's reduce our crime rate by legalising muggings and murders. Virtually all - of the 360 or so Conservative parliamentary party at the crucial second reading of the European Communities Bill in 1972, almost 95% voted in favour, only 16 against and 4 abstentions.
It wasn't until Delors began to overreach in the late 1980s (ironically using Single Market powers that Margaret had backed in a rare error of judgement) that the Powells and the Taylors were more than an isolated fringe, together with the much more numerous anti-European Labour left.
Then once Gordon Brown had reneged on his promise to hold a referendum on the repackaged constitution and Cameron had made his referendum lock promise, it was pretty obvious that our membership was on borrowed time.
Rachel Truss strikes again.
https://x.com/notayesmansecon/status/1925110327747747912?s=61
...
Despite raising more venture capital than Paris in recent years, London’s tech firms saw a smaller gain in enterprise value, the report found Between 2017 and 2024, the total enterprise value of Paris tech firms grew just over fivefold, outpacing London’s 4.2 times over the same period.
Paris’s AI sector is emerging as a particularly powerful force, with nearly half of the city’s $7.8bn in funding last year going to AI, including standout rounds from Mistral AI, Poolside, and Electra.
https://www.cityam.com/london-loses-europe-tech-crown-to-paris/
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sunset-bedruthan-steps-carnewas-stretch-coastline-1655362936
[1] For the contrary view, see this thread by Steve Akehurst (no relation) . As Rob Ford puts it, “Nigel Farage is right, don’t vote for him”is stupid politics
Firstly, who are the people who want to join the EU but don't want to join the Customs Union or Single Market?
Secondly, agreeing that Brexit has been a failure is different from thinking it was a bad idea. It was a good idea, poorly executed by the Tories. Labour are now attempting to turn the crap Tory version of Brexit into a positive Labour version of Brexit.
(I appreciate that some will thing that there is no such thing as a good version of Brexit; here we will differ.)
Thing is, those opposed to these negotiations have nothing to spin when legitimate assessments of them range between unimpressive and important.
I wouldn't trust Starmer to fight his way out of a paper bag
As things stand.
House Speaker Johnson and members of the House Freedom Caucus are heading to the White House this afternoon to meet with President Trump on budget bill.
@JakeSherman
first to report.
And if you're under the impression I'm a fan of Starmer; I'm not.
It's Woolie. Nice to see you, old pip
Likewise
Tories outperformed in Northumberland versus nationally May 1st (very relative term though!)
I am not sure she will survive to the Autumn budget
If the only reason for voting for Brexit was that you believed it would be economically in Britain's interest to do so then you may proclaim it a failure. But that was never the case.
Redcar could (as ever) be the crucible of chaos
Edit - pool will be VERY Reform!
Just looked at the BA result. Labour only gained about 5%. Surely next time round they’re toast.
For them it has absolutely failed, thanks to the idiot Tories. Who lost control of the small boats, and completely lost control of legal migration, with the Boriswave
If I was a Leave voter with immigration as my main concern, I would be seriously hacked off, and rightly so. It doesn't mean they regret the actual vote
Edit - yes Labour are dead in BA but Reform i think now probably swamp the Tories too, they (tories) are quite likely to be focusing on the two big rural seats, Stockton and Middlesborough South with BA, Darlington and maybe Redcar as long shots
1) immigration has to come down
2) 'bad' immigration has to come down,
3) 'bad'immigrants have to be inconspicuous, and
4) conspicuous bad immigrants have to actually be deported.
Starmer can only actually influence one of these - the first - which is the one which matters least.
It's only *because* of Brexit that one gets to deal *with* the EU as an outside party rather than as a part *of* the EU.
If Kemi tries to spin this as the narrative she's going to lose even more support from the vaguely intelligent voter. Including, in all likelihood, many Eurosceptics who aren't complete fucking idiots.
I don't like Starmer and I don't like the EU, but the chance of me buying into this kind of nonsense was always zero.