So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I avoid chicken as a rule, but you have just given me a further reason to do so.
Chicken is delicious and nutritious. It is best cooked on the bone with the skin and my preference is a nice slow-cooked chicken casserole.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
It's not completely unbalanced. Just that there was a farcical situation where components from China attracted higher *UK tariffs* than finished products. Which meant that making Raspberry PIs in the UK wasn't attractive.
The back story of that is funny - it dates back to the 60s, when the unions (IIRC) were worried that component manufacture was heading over seas. So they lobbied for a tariff on components - and got it. And there it stayed. Bee a while since they made televisions in the UK....
I think I was mixing two conversations. Yes, I remember that now.
I have derogatarily referred to them as the Gaza bros before, and sure they do bring it up relatively often in Parliament which is not a massive surprise, but this thread might have been more interesting to talk about their other positions - eg apart from that particualr issue, are they predominantly voting with Labour, or the Tories etc? Last July, four independent MPs were elected in heavily-Muslim seats.
They capitalised on Muslim frustration with the Labour Party's position on Gaza. Their campaigns focused primarily on winning Muslim votes.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
For much the same reason you do.
No I don't. I respond, often argumentatively, to the point someone has actually made.
Fox host: "We are years and years into other countries making our narcotics. The drugs we need to deal with, on a day to day basis, to stay alive. Don't we wanna do that in this country?"
Not sure she knows what narcotics as a term means these days.
Perhaps she knows all too well and is tacitly admitting to a problem.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
Tripe, on the other hand, you probably should wash.
No, they're a bit thick and don't understand economics.
I even doubt they realise that actual goods are being exchanged so that while country X might transfer money to country Y, country Y is transferring goods to country X.
I'd like to see them asked if they think there should be zero differences in trade and financial flows between individual US states.
Or perhaps whether they'd like to get rid of money and return to a barter system.
I usually find it hard to criticise economic illiteracy since I'm not very confident in my own level of understanding, but I read their comments on it and I do a double take and think 'If even I can tell that make sno sense surely they can'.
And most probably do, but the king says it is the truth now, so now choice.
Roger Williams the founder of Rhode Island from the 17th century probably had better understanding.
I have a pet theory, which I grow more confident about as time passes, that essentially nobody at the top of any organisation you care to name, in any field, is all that competent, but that the systems/processes/rules that exist guide them towards good decisions and outcomes. i.e. Laws, regulation, customs, procedures and so on idiot-proof society.
The flip-side of that is that if you dispense with rules and let people use their judgement or God forbid it even let "common sense" rip then you get bad outcomes.
Isn't it basically the same as the issue of any benevolent tyrant, in what happens if they have an off day and who follows them?
'The blob' and other bureacratic institutions come with drawbacks that need sorting from time to time, but there' a reason they developed in the first place. You have to force people to think and do things in open, transparent, and rational ways.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
Tripe, on the other hand, you probably should wash.
Tripe-washing is the technical term for tariff-splaining.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
As many of you know I've been veggie since the early 1990s, but my Mum always washes chicken before cooking (for herself of course, or when my brother and sis-in-law come round).
Whats shocking about today is bond yields are rising sharply as the market falls. In other words higher interest rates are beconing more likely. This will crush the world economy.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
For much the same reason you do.
No I don't. I respond, often argumentatively, to the point someone has actually made.
The reason being that you like to have the last word. As you just demonstrated.
Whats shocking about today is bond yields are rising sharply as the market falls. In other words higher interest rates are beconing more likely. This will crush the world economy.
How can that be, Trump is richer than ever so everyone must be doing ok right?
Whats shocking about today is bond yields are rising sharply as the market falls. In other words higher interest rates are beconing more likely. This will crush the world economy.
How can that be, Trump is richer than ever so everyone must be doing ok right?
There is an argument Trump wants a broken ruined country. Why. Because then people will be totally dependent on him for favours. His family has untramelled power. The american rich and middle class are decimated.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
There's probably sense in the contract, but the obvious conflict if interest would disqualify him from involvement in government in any other western democracy.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
@Big_G_NorthWales didn't post the same thing again. What he posted added more information, explaining washing can increase the danger by spreading the bacteria. I have no idea how this compares to the threat from BPA, but it was relevant and perfectly valid post pointing out there are conflicting risks. Do you know which is the greatest risk? Wash or not wash?
You did the same thing the other day, accusing me of responding to a post you hadn't made on customs when I responded to a post you actually did make entirely on customs (even if the previous one you made wasn't). You seem to struggle on discussions that have any complexity in them as they develop and move forward.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
50% extra potential tariffs on China Trump says unless it cancels its retaliatory tariffs. Looks like the poster earlier who suggested a deal with Beijing was on the cards is a long way off
I think the markets haven’t priced that in . Effectively a 104% tariff on Chinese imports into the USA . If an agreement isn’t reached before Thursday then I expect the markets to go into a complete meltdown .
Not that Trump would care, he is going to impose his uber protectionist agenda whatever the cost
They are both going to get to tariff levels where trade ceases altogether aren't they. Who is more dependent upon the other? I have a feeling this hurts America more. Of course there is always the possibility they trade with one another via a 3rd party.
China does export a lot to the US but will try and replace that elsewhere, Trump will hope US production increases to offset the cheap Chinese imports
Trouble for America is, it can't produce what China provides for the same price or even close to, so prices will go up in America. Whereas I suspect China can source what America sells China elsewhere fairly competitively. China's problem will be finding enough alternative markets for its products.
Whats shocking about today is bond yields are rising sharply as the market falls. In other words higher interest rates are beconing more likely. This will crush the world economy.
Honestly, part of the problem is no one in the markets has a fucking clue what they're doing right now.
You don't need a model of company growth, GDP trends and cashflows at the moment in markets. You need the world's best child psychologist.
Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.
Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.
Anyone who voted for Trump owns this. I’m sorry, but they do. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The man was clearly on a grievance-fuelled power trip with little care for who he hurt along the way.
Posts like that aren't helpful and simply fuel polarisation.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Time. No party has a right to exist forever or be one of the dominant two, but the Tories have an impressive history of recovery.
Whats shocking about today is bond yields are rising sharply as the market falls. In other words higher interest rates are beconing more likely. This will crush the world economy.
Honestly, part of the problem is no one in the markets has a fucking clue what they're doing right now.
You don't need a model of company growth, GDP trends and cashflows at the moment in markets. You need the world's best child psychologist.
Its like we have put a 3 yr old in charge of the world economy. By turns hilarious and terrifying.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Time. No party has a right to exist forever or be one of the dominant two, but the Tories have an impressive history of recovery.
They do, but they look to me to be circling the plughole.
Strangely, I think their fundamental problem is a lack of confidence and self-belief.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
Late to this but here goes. Veg, packed in plastic, not washed but either steamed or boiled will surely be washed by the rather hot water. Now a lot of organic (as in organic chemicals, not the bullshit version) are not soluble in even hot water, so would be unlikely to be removed in the prewash either, unless copious amounts of surfactant are used. But who wants their food with a side serving of surfactant?
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
Tripe, on the other hand, you probably should wash.
Tripe-washing is the technical term for tariff-splaining.
The concept that the world is now ruled by tech oligarchs has been tested and found wanting.
Conversely, the concept that the world is now ruled badly by tech oligarchs has been tested and found proven.
Musk completely lacks the social skills and general horse sense to dominate the world. Same for most tech oligarchs.
IMV that's not true. There are many different types of social skills: for instance, people who freeze when addressing a room full of strangers, but are very good at getting deals one-to-one. Or vice versa.
These tech oligarchs got to the top by a heady mixture of a little skill, lots of luck, and being able to talk to financiers, other tech boes, good managers, and that sort of person. They are very good at talking to the sort of person they've been around for the last couple of decades. And most of them don't particularly care to talk to the rest of us. We're just the product.
Musk is slightly different: he has cultivated a loyal and (IMO dim-witted) fanbase who hang on his every word, and spread His message for Him (and yes, some do see him as akin to, if not above, God). But if you watch him in many social situations, then he is incredibly awkward. He is no Steve Jobs.
So they dominate the world not by using social skills to talk to the masses, but by talking to other people like them. And we, the masses, are just the product.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
Tripe, on the other hand, you probably should wash.
Tripe-washing is the technical term for tariff-splaining.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
There's probably sense in the contract, but the obvious conflict if interest would disqualify him from involvement in government in any other western democracy.
It's almost impressive how the offspring of the two largest and most well funded defence contractors (ULA) can't launch rockets as cheaply as SpaceX after decades of watching them do it. There's no especial magic, either. You can literally read the papers online, written by various engineers there on things like landing algorithms.
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
The concept that the world is now ruled by tech oligarchs has been tested and found wanting.
Conversely, the concept that the world is now ruled badly by tech oligarchs has been tested and found proven.
Musk completely lacks the social skills and general horse sense to dominate the world. Same for most tech oligarchs.
Abigail Disney at @patrioticmillionaires.org : "The men we associate with 'broligarchy' are the emotionally stupid men (Bezos) psychologically underdeveloped men (Zuckerberg) damaged men (Musk) or overindulged & spoiled men Trump. They put more faith in aggression as a means of problem solving."
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
He's about to find out just how many people hate him
+1 - Trump is about to find out that over the first 60 days as President he scared everyone and since then he's been providing even more reasons as to why the USA is now at best untrustworthy and at worst someone best to avoid doing business with.
Worse it's completely impossible to plan on how to mitigate things because Trump could randomly change things tomorrow - businesses and Governments need stability and Trump's USA is anything but stable and consistent...
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
Late to this but here goes. Veg, packed in plastic, not washed but either steamed or boiled will surely be washed by the rather hot water. Now a lot of organic (as in organic chemicals, not the bullshit version) are not soluble in even hot water, so would be unlikely to be removed in the prewash either, unless copious amounts of surfactant are used. But who wants their food with a side serving of surfactant?
I wondered about this. The skin of a chicken is fatty, I assume any chemical contamination would be with that fat. That's not washing off with plain water.
Still, Chicken à la Fairy Liquid could become a thing, I guess.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
There's probably sense in the contract, but the obvious conflict if interest would disqualify him from involvement in government in any other western democracy.
It's almost impressive how the offspring of the two largest and most well funded defence contractors (ULA) can't launch rockets as cheaply as SpaceX after decades of watching them do it. There's no especial magic, either. You can literally read the papers online, written by various engineers there on things like landing algorithms.
ULA would love to. But no-one in ULA has the power to invest in the capability because their owners, Boeing and LM, are uninterested. That will continue to be the case until, and probably beyond, when they are eventually sold.
Their SMART Idea seems interesting, as does BO's Jarvis upper stage (and indeed, the alleged competition between reusable second stages and cheaply built ones).
The concept that the world is now ruled by tech oligarchs has been tested and found wanting.
Conversely, the concept that the world is now ruled badly by tech oligarchs has been tested and found proven.
Musk completely lacks the social skills and general horse sense to dominate the world. Same for most tech oligarchs.
Abigail Disney at @patrioticmillionaires.org : "The men we associate with 'broligarchy' are the emotionally stupid men (Bezos) psychologically underdeveloped men (Zuckerberg) damaged men (Musk) or overindulged & spoiled men Trump. They put more faith in aggression as a means of problem solving."
I have an untested assumption that Bezos may be the least damaging because he's the most normal, in that he just wants to be as wealthy as possible and treat people like a number on a spreadsheet, and that type are numerous just not as rich. Whereas Zuckerberg and Musk, publicly at least, seem to display a messianic desire for transform society to their company's benefit.
The concept that the world is now ruled by tech oligarchs has been tested and found wanting.
Conversely, the concept that the world is now ruled badly by tech oligarchs has been tested and found proven.
Musk completely lacks the social skills and general horse sense to dominate the world. Same for most tech oligarchs.
IMV that's not true. There are many different types of social skills: for instance, people who freeze when addressing a room full of strangers, but are very good at getting deals one-to-one. Or vice versa.
These tech oligarchs got to the top by a heady mixture of a little skill, lots of luck, and being able to talk to financiers, other tech boes, good managers, and that sort of person. They are very good at talking to the sort of person they've been around for the last couple of decades. And most of them don't particularly care to talk to the rest of us. We're just the product.
Musk is slightly different: he has cultivated a loyal and (IMO dim-witted) fanbase who hang on his every word, and spread His message for Him (and yes, some do see him as akin to, if not above, God). But if you watch him in many social situations, then he is incredibly awkward. He is no Steve Jobs.
So they dominate the world not by using social skills to talk to the masses, but by talking to other people like them. And we, the masses, are just the product.
This is very well put and concords with my experience too.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
He's about to find out just how many people hate him
+1 - Trump is about to find out that over the first 60 days as President he scared everyone and since then he's been providing even more reasons as to why the USA is now at best untrustworthy and at worst someone best to avoid doing business with.
Worse it's completely impossible to plan on how to mitigate things because Trump could randomly change things tomorrow - businesses and Governments need stability and Trump's USA is anything but stable and consistent...
He likes that, in the moment, because it shows how powerful he is. He won't regret it because he never regrets anything, but others will.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
Why are you posting this same tripe again? It hasn't become any more relevant because it's longer.
I am not washing my chicken to remove bacteria. I don't know how to tell you this in a way that you'll understand.
As many of you know I've been veggie since the early 1990s, but my Mum always washes chicken before cooking (for herself of course, or when my brother and sis-in-law come round).
US President Donald Trump says he is not considering a pause on new tariffs, to allow negotiations with other countries after being asked directly by a reporter in the White House.
According to a D.C. source with knowledge of the plan that’s still being developed, Trump has commandeered Saturday, June 14—the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army and, as it happens, Trump’s 79th birthday—for his military parade. It would stretch almost four miles from the Pentagon in Arlington to the White House, according to the source, who stressed that local officials are just learning of it.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
He's about to find out just how many people hate him
Most Europeans are going to stick with America, even with Trump, than get in bed with an autocratic regimes.
America is now unreliable, inconsistent, its democratic checks and balances weakened, with leaders who continually denigrate their supposed allies and praise their supposed enemies.
It is becoming increasingly plausible that if it doesn’t regain any sanity it will be abandoned by its allies. Everyone will lose in this, but it will be the biggest loser.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
Bezos et al are not stupid or necessarily psychologically unstable.
The problem is that they are unelected and have too much power. Nobody has voted for them or their products to have such influence on our lives.
The U.S. has no real interest in regulating any of this, and China is already a social credit hellhole, so really the UK is best trying to make common cause with the EU and perhaps Canada-Australia-UK to protect the public against digital predations.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
There's probably sense in the contract, but the obvious conflict if interest would disqualify him from involvement in government in any other western democracy.
It's almost impressive how the offspring of the two largest and most well funded defence contractors (ULA) can't launch rockets as cheaply as SpaceX after decades of watching them do it. There's no especial magic, either. You can literally read the papers online, written by various engineers there on things like landing algorithms.
ULA would love to. But no-one in ULA has the power to invest in the capability because their owners, Boeing and LM, are uninterested. That will continue to be the case until, and probably beyond, when they are eventually sold.
Their SMART Idea seems interesting, as does BO's Jarvis upper stage (and indeed, the alleged competition between reusable second stages and cheaply built ones).
SMART is pretty dumb - demolishing the stage to get the engines back only makes sense if your stages are cheap. Vulcan first stages aren’t.
There’s a reason that everyone else, round the world is going for first stage reuse - intact.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
Late to this but here goes. Veg, packed in plastic, not washed but either steamed or boiled will surely be washed by the rather hot water. Now a lot of organic (as in organic chemicals, not the bullshit version) are not soluble in even hot water, so would be unlikely to be removed in the prewash either, unless copious amounts of surfactant are used. But who wants their food with a side serving of surfactant?
I wondered about this. The skin of a chicken is fatty, I assume any chemical contamination would be with that fat. That's not washing off with plain water.
Still, Chicken à la Fairy Liquid could become a thing, I guess.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I do parboil whole chicken for about 5 minutes before roasting. It removes an unpleasant scum. It also helps cook the bird more evenly as both the outside and the inside of the carcass are warmed before putting in the oven.
Good idea to be fair
Seems like a bit of a faff tbh. I've never noticed any 'scum' with my roast chicken.
You roast it in the bag for an hour then 20-30mins outside the bag. It was excellent, tender and flavoursome. No question of spreading any contamination pre-cooking with that one.
And at £4.95 for the standard brined chicken or £9.95 for the "No. 1" free-range version, it's great value. We had roast chicken for the two of us, a cold chicken sandwich each today, enough meat in the freezer for a biryani for two, plus a litre of chicken stock from the bones.
And no chlorine wash or growth hormones.
You presumably haven't seen the scum because you have never boiled it out. The faff is the effort of boiling a pan of water, sticking a chicken in the water and taking it out again. Probably about 20 seconds of your time. For that you get a slightly better tasting roast bird and save maybe 10 minutes cooking time.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
A start would be to see whether they can go back to the sensible days where they were a broad church, but Bozo's scorched earth policy has made this very difficult. Trump is doing a similar, but even more extreme version on the GOP. Parties that purge a whole wing that doesn't agree with the leadership of the day will reap their eventual comeuppance.
US President Donald Trump says he is not considering a pause on new tariffs, to allow negotiations with other countries after being asked directly by a reporter in the White House.
And doubles down on his extra China tariffs. Brace….
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
A start would be to see whether they can go back to the sensible days where they were a broad church, but Bozo's scorched earth policy has made this very difficult. Trump is doing a similar, but even more extreme version on the GOP. Parties that purge a whole wing that doesn't agree with the leadership of the day will reap their eventual comeuppance.
Although it took >60 years for Soviet Communist Party's comeuppance to arrive.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
A start would be to see whether they can go back to the sensible days where they were a broad church, but Bozo's scorched earth policy has made this very difficult. Trump is doing a similar, but even more extreme version on the GOP. Parties that purge a whole wing that doesn't agree with the leadership of the day will reap their eventual comeuppance.
Have any of the class of '24 impressed so far? My suspicion is that they are the ones who will be able to escape from the tar pit of the 2019-24 fiasco by saying "nothing to do with me, guv".
If there is still a meaningful Conservative Party left by the time they reach the top.
Sam Stein @samstein · 23m It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
There's probably sense in the contract, but the obvious conflict if interest would disqualify him from involvement in government in any other western democracy.
It's almost impressive how the offspring of the two largest and most well funded defence contractors (ULA) can't launch rockets as cheaply as SpaceX after decades of watching them do it. There's no especial magic, either. You can literally read the papers online, written by various engineers there on things like landing algorithms.
ULA would love to. But no-one in ULA has the power to invest in the capability because their owners, Boeing and LM, are uninterested. That will continue to be the case until, and probably beyond, when they are eventually sold.
Their SMART Idea seems interesting, as does BO's Jarvis upper stage (and indeed, the alleged competition between reusable second stages and cheaply built ones).
SMART is pretty dumb - demolishing the stage to get the engines back only makes sense if your stages are cheap. Vulcan first stages aren’t.
There’s a reason that everyone else, round the world is going for first stage reuse - intact.
I pretty much disagree with that. It's another approach to a similar end. Without a look at the costs, it *may* be sensible - particularly for a rocket that was not designed from the ground up to be reused.
BO are apparently looking at having a 'competition' between reusable second stages and newly-built ones, to see which is most efficient. That seems a sensible thing to be doing, especially as SS keeps on failing...
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
Late to this but here goes. Veg, packed in plastic, not washed but either steamed or boiled will surely be washed by the rather hot water. Now a lot of organic (as in organic chemicals, not the bullshit version) are not soluble in even hot water, so would be unlikely to be removed in the prewash either, unless copious amounts of surfactant are used. But who wants their food with a side serving of surfactant?
I wondered about this. The skin of a chicken is fatty, I assume any chemical contamination would be with that fat. That's not washing off with plain water.
Still, Chicken à la Fairy Liquid could become a thing, I guess.
I can see a new Fat Duck menu item now...
Lemon chicken? Hardly new. Nutter chicken might do though. It's like Butter chicken but you wash the meat first.
According to a D.C. source with knowledge of the plan that’s still being developed, Trump has commandeered Saturday, June 14—the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army and, as it happens, Trump’s 79th birthday—for his military parade. It would stretch almost four miles from the Pentagon in Arlington to the White House, according to the source, who stressed that local officials are just learning of it.
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
Trump: "I said to [the former hostages], was there any sign of love? Did Hamas show any signs of, like, help or liking you? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? Like what happened in Germany."
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I do parboil whole chicken for about 5 minutes before roasting. It removes an unpleasant scum. It also helps cook the bird more evenly as both the outside and the inside of the carcass are warmed before putting in the oven.
Good idea to be fair
Seems like a bit of a faff tbh. I've never noticed any 'scum' with my roast chicken.
You roast it in the bag for an hour then 20-30mins outside the bag. It was excellent, tender and flavoursome. No question of spreading any contamination pre-cooking with that one.
And at £4.95 for the standard brined chicken or £9.95 for the "No. 1" free-range version, it's great value. We had roast chicken for the two of us, a cold chicken sandwich each today, enough meat in the freezer for a biryani for two, plus a litre of chicken stock from the bones.
And no chlorine wash or growth hormones.
You presumably haven't seen the scum because you have never boiled it out. The faff is the effort of boiling a pan of water, sticking a chicken in the water and taking it out again. Probably about 20 seconds of your time. For that you get a slightly better tasting roast bird and save maybe 10 minutes cooking time.
Fair enough. I winder what the 'scum' actually is? We do get a scum from simmering the carcass for stock which we always do after a roast bird - so much better than stock cube stock. We skim the scum off and freeze the stock for whenever we need it.
Anyway, I think we'll stick to the Waitrose brined chickens for the foreseeable, as this one was so good.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I do parboil whole chicken for about 5 minutes before roasting. It removes an unpleasant scum. It also helps cook the bird more evenly as both the outside and the inside of the carcass are warmed before putting in the oven.
Good idea to be fair
Seems like a bit of a faff tbh. I've never noticed any 'scum' with my roast chicken.
You roast it in the bag for an hour then 20-30mins outside the bag. It was excellent, tender and flavoursome. No question of spreading any contamination pre-cooking with that one.
And at £4.95 for the standard brined chicken or £9.95 for the "No. 1" free-range version, it's great value. We had roast chicken for the two of us, a cold chicken sandwich each today, enough meat in the freezer for a biryani for two, plus a litre of chicken stock from the bones.
And no chlorine wash or growth hormones.
You presumably haven't seen the scum because you have never boiled it out. The faff is the effort of boiling a pan of water, sticking a chicken in the water and taking it out again. Probably about 20 seconds of your time. For that you get a slightly better tasting roast bird and save maybe 10 minutes cooking time.
Fair enough. I winder what the 'scum' actually is? We do get a scum from simmering the carcass for stock which we always do after a roast bird - so much better than stock cube stock. We skim the scum off and freeze the stock for whenever we need it.
Anyway, I think we'll stick to the Waitrose brined chickens for the foreseeable, as this one was so good.
Hmm. The scum is clearly not water soluble, so fatty elements combined with bits of debris from the carcass?
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I do parboil whole chicken for about 5 minutes before roasting. It removes an unpleasant scum. It also helps cook the bird more evenly as both the outside and the inside of the carcass are warmed before putting in the oven.
Good idea to be fair
Seems like a bit of a faff tbh. I've never noticed any 'scum' with my roast chicken.
You roast it in the bag for an hour then 20-30mins outside the bag. It was excellent, tender and flavoursome. No question of spreading any contamination pre-cooking with that one.
And at £4.95 for the standard brined chicken or £9.95 for the "No. 1" free-range version, it's great value. We had roast chicken for the two of us, a cold chicken sandwich each today, enough meat in the freezer for a biryani for two, plus a litre of chicken stock from the bones.
And no chlorine wash or growth hormones.
You presumably haven't seen the scum because you have never boiled it out. The faff is the effort of boiling a pan of water, sticking a chicken in the water and taking it out again. Probably about 20 seconds of your time. For that you get a slightly better tasting roast bird and save maybe 10 minutes cooking time.
Fair enough. I winder what the 'scum' actually is? We do get a scum from simmering the carcass for stock which we always do after a roast bird - so much better than stock cube stock. We skim the scum off and freeze the stock for whenever we need it.
Anyway, I think we'll stick to the Waitrose brined chickens for the foreseeable, as this one was so good.
This is a complete guess, so don't accuse me of kooky theories, but maybe it's dead pathogens and parasites and things. I have heard about skimming and how its better to take off the foam and get rid. Never investigated it though.
Bezos et al are not stupid or necessarily psychologically unstable.
The problem is that they are unelected and have too much power. Nobody has voted for them or their products to have such influence on our lives.
(Snip)
I've thought about this a little in the past, and I think the 'nobody has voted for them' is a strong part of it.
They are a bunch of people who have become very rich, and are often feted by others - either for their 'talent' (*) or their riches. They talk to, and hang out with, other rich people like them. They are utterly disconnected from the rest of us, and why should they listen to us? After all, they're rich and successful, and we're not. Otherwise we'd be one of them. So their 'ideas' for the future of society, sounded out amongst their friends, is obviously correct. Worse, not only do we buy their products: in many cases, we are the product.
If I was in their situation, I might be the same. What would keep me grounded in reality?
At least politicians need to get voted in, and that means talking to, and at worst pretending to listen to, the masses, for fear of losing their seat at the next election.
The techbroes have no need for that. Their ideas will obviously be successful because *they* are successful, and better than us.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Kemi has really improved as this year has gone on - she is now regularly besting Starmer at PMQs. She is punchy and clear in interviews and on social media - such as how she dismantled Lammy yesterday, not a tough gig though admittedly. Her vox pops and soundbites getting onto the news have been so good recently, I can imagine Kemi as a Prime Minister now.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Kemi has really improved as this year has gone on - she is now regularly besting Starmer at PMQs. She is punchy and clear in interviews and on social media - such as how she dismantled Lammy yesterday, not a tough gig though admittedly. Her vox pops and soundbites getting onto the news have been so good recently, I can imagine Kemi as a Prime Minister now.
So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .
I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
Where would you suggest one should wash it?
Don't wash it - cook it correctly
I like you a lot BigG, but which part of the fact that cooking does absolutely nothing to remove chemical contamination from BPAs in (for example) film packaging do you not understand.
Neither does washing, in all likelihood.
It does a lot more than not washing, as for obvious reasons it will be on the surface.
This is an extract from Wales on line re washing chicken
Why chicken really shouldn’t be washed
Traces of feathers, slime or dirt might have necessitated washing chicken half a century ago. But nowadays, poultry is pre-washed and ready to cook when you buy it.
Still, some people seem to think you should wash your chicken in order to remove the dangerous microorganisms raw meat contains. While it’s true chicken does contain harmful microorganisms, washing prior to cooking doesn’t remove them.
Chicken in particular naturally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter. These can cause very severe illness, with infections causing symptoms such as fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and possibly even septicaemia (blood infection).
Children, elderly people, pregnant women and those with other health conditions or poor immune systems are most at risk of illness from these bacteria. But even in healthy people, Salmonella and Campylobacter infections can lead to hospitalisations and death.
Washing chicken prior to cooking does not eliminate all the germs within a chicken. At most, it may only remove the bacteria on the surface. But this practice actually makes the overall infection risk from raw chicken significantly worse, as it may potentially cause the pathogens washed off the chicken skin to spread throughout your kitchen.
When you put raw chicken under the tap, the bacteria on the skin move into the water stream. This will then be splashed into your sink – and potentially your surrounding counters, cupboards and dish rack. This water spray can travel up to 80cm – the length of the average adult arm. This makes cross-contamination pretty likely, especially if these water droplets have landed elsewhere in your kitchen. It may even contaminate other uncooked foods you later place in the same sink.
Even if you rinse the sink with water after washing the chicken, this may not be sufficient to remove all the pathogenic bacteria that have become attached.
It’s also worth noting that soaking poultry in a brine of water and vinegar or citrus juice does not make it more hygienic. Research has shown that Salmonella weren’t killed following soaking chicken in vinegar or citrus juice for more than five minutes. Other research shows that Campylobacter numbers may be reduced following a marinade in vinegar or lemon juice, but it takes 24 hours of soaking.
I do parboil whole chicken for about 5 minutes before roasting. It removes an unpleasant scum. It also helps cook the bird more evenly as both the outside and the inside of the carcass are warmed before putting in the oven.
Good idea to be fair
Seems like a bit of a faff tbh. I've never noticed any 'scum' with my roast chicken.
You roast it in the bag for an hour then 20-30mins outside the bag. It was excellent, tender and flavoursome. No question of spreading any contamination pre-cooking with that one.
And at £4.95 for the standard brined chicken or £9.95 for the "No. 1" free-range version, it's great value. We had roast chicken for the two of us, a cold chicken sandwich each today, enough meat in the freezer for a biryani for two, plus a litre of chicken stock from the bones.
And no chlorine wash or growth hormones.
You presumably haven't seen the scum because you have never boiled it out. The faff is the effort of boiling a pan of water, sticking a chicken in the water and taking it out again. Probably about 20 seconds of your time. For that you get a slightly better tasting roast bird and save maybe 10 minutes cooking time.
Fair enough. I winder what the 'scum' actually is? We do get a scum from simmering the carcass for stock which we always do after a roast bird - so much better than stock cube stock. We skim the scum off and freeze the stock for whenever we need it.
Anyway, I think we'll stick to the Waitrose brined chickens for the foreseeable, as this one was so good.
This is a complete guess, so don't accuse me of kooky theories, but maybe it's dead pathogens and parasites and things. I have heard about skimming and how its better to take off the foam and get rid. Never investigated it though.
An AI answer:
"The "scum" that forms on top of boiling chicken broth is primarily coagulated proteins (like albumin) and fat that rise to the surface and clump together, often appearing as a foamy or bubbly layer. "
Both excellent and depressing. I must admit when I first saw the equation I thought it was an attempt to make it look mathsy(sp?) or dressing up something simple to look complex.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Kemi has really improved as this year has gone on - she is now regularly besting Starmer at PMQs. She is punchy and clear in interviews and on social media - such as how she dismantled Lammy yesterday, not a tough gig though admittedly. Her vox pops and soundbites getting onto the news have been so good recently, I can imagine Kemi as a Prime Minister now.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Kemi has really improved as this year has gone on - she is now regularly besting Starmer at PMQs. She is punchy and clear in interviews and on social media - such as how she dismantled Lammy yesterday, not a tough gig though admittedly. Her vox pops and soundbites getting onto the news have been so good recently, I can imagine Kemi as a Prime Minister now.
Prime Minister of Israel yes?
She is the coming force at the top of UK politics. Keep an eye on it. May 5th 2029 she can be in Downing Street as Prime Minister.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
A start would be to see whether they can go back to the sensible days where they were a broad church, but Bozo's scorched earth policy has made this very difficult. Trump is doing a similar, but even more extreme version on the GOP. Parties that purge a whole wing that doesn't agree with the leadership of the day will reap their eventual comeuppance.
To achieve that, ours would have to be a very different society. Much more akin to the Britain of the 1950's.
Labour are no longer the broad church that they used to be.
You no longer get 45% or so, identifying with each of the main parties.
On topic, the Conservatives have ratnered their brand: their own supporters don't trust them, and their elected representatives despise them in turn; everyone else who doesn't vote for them hates them.
I'm not sure I see a way out.
Kemi has really improved as this year has gone on - she is now regularly besting Starmer at PMQs. She is punchy and clear in interviews and on social media - such as how she dismantled Lammy yesterday, not a tough gig though admittedly. Her vox pops and soundbites getting onto the news have been so good recently, I can imagine Kemi as a Prime Minister now.
Strangely we agree on this. I have sort of got used to her slow tempo too.
The Tories have not 'Ratnered' their brand recently. Theresa May ratnered the brand when she called them 'the nasty party'. That was a classic Ratner, and almost as damaging as the original in its own way.
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Last July, four independent MPs were elected in heavily-Muslim seats.
They capitalised on Muslim frustration with the Labour Party's position on Gaza. Their campaigns focused primarily on winning Muslim votes.
But what have they been up to since the General Election?
https://nitter.poast.org/sam_bidwell/status/1908864797459821036#m
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It appears that US Space Force isn't taking a DOGE like cut as the other agencies are. On Friday it announced three big contracts. The biggest: $6 billion to Elon Musk's SpaceX
And most probably do, but the king says it is the truth now, so now choice.
Roger Williams the founder of Rhode Island from the 17th century probably had better understanding.
'The blob' and other bureacratic institutions come with drawbacks that need sorting from time to time, but there' a reason they developed in the first place. You have to force people to think and do things in open, transparent, and rational ways.
As you just demonstrated.
CEOs upset about Trump’s tariffs sound like mob bosses shouting “I thought we had a deal!” at the Joker.
https://bsky.app/profile/mikedrucker.bsky.social/post/3lmadvvojq22o
You did the same thing the other day, accusing me of responding to a post you hadn't made on customs when I responded to a post you actually did make entirely on customs (even if the previous one you made wasn't). You seem to struggle on discussions that have any complexity in them as they develop and move forward.
https://youtu.be/MPN07rU_w3I?si
I'm not sure I see a way out.
You don't need a model of company growth, GDP trends and cashflows at the moment in markets. You need the world's best child psychologist.
Strangely, I think their fundamental problem is a lack of confidence and self-belief.
These tech oligarchs got to the top by a heady mixture of a little skill, lots of luck, and being able to talk to financiers, other tech boes, good managers, and that sort of person. They are very good at talking to the sort of person they've been around for the last couple of decades. And most of them don't particularly care to talk to the rest of us. We're just the product.
Musk is slightly different: he has cultivated a loyal and (IMO dim-witted) fanbase who hang on his every word, and spread His message for Him (and yes, some do see him as akin to, if not above, God). But if you watch him in many social situations, then he is incredibly awkward. He is no Steve Jobs.
So they dominate the world not by using social skills to talk to the masses, but by talking to other people like them. And we, the masses, are just the product.
REPORTER: There have been some mixed messages. You're talking about negotiations, and yet others in your administration are saying these tariffs are permanent.
TRUMP: Well, they can both be true. There are things we need beyond tariffs.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmap6pt5jl2w
That'll calm the markets then !
REPORTER: The EU has said they offered zero for zero tariffs on cars and industrial goods. Is that not enough?
TRUMP: No, it's not
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmapjpb4t22d
OK, war then
REPORTER: How do you ensure that these tariffs don't drive US trading partners into the hands of the Chinese?
TRUMP: I'm not worried about. If they want to be in the hands of the US -- they don't want to be in the hands of the Chinese. People that are with us, are with us.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmapkbmdcr25
He's about to find out just how many people hate him
@patrioticmillionaires.org
: "The men we associate with 'broligarchy' are the emotionally stupid men (Bezos) psychologically underdeveloped men (Zuckerberg) damaged men (Musk) or overindulged & spoiled men Trump. They put more faith in aggression as a means of problem solving."
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmantnqndk2k
Worse it's completely impossible to plan on how to mitigate things because Trump could randomly change things tomorrow - businesses and Governments need stability and Trump's USA is anything but stable and consistent...
Still, Chicken à la Fairy Liquid could become a thing, I guess.
Their SMART Idea seems interesting, as does BO's Jarvis upper stage (and indeed, the alleged competition between reusable second stages and cheaply built ones).
https://youtu.be/j04IAbWCszg?si=C9TEQeJOOPL59-Lj
It is becoming increasingly plausible that if it doesn’t regain any sanity it will be abandoned by its allies. Everyone will lose in this, but it will be the biggest loser.
The problem is that they are unelected and have too much power. Nobody has voted for them or their products to have such influence on our lives.
The U.S. has no real interest in regulating any of this, and China is already a social credit hellhole, so really the UK is best trying to make common cause with the EU and perhaps Canada-Australia-UK to protect the public against digital predations.
There’s a reason that everyone else, round the world is going for first stage reuse - intact.
If there is still a meaningful Conservative Party left by the time they reach the top.
BO are apparently looking at having a 'competition' between reusable second stages and newly-built ones, to see which is most efficient. That seems a sensible thing to be doing, especially as SS keeps on failing...
@atrupar.com
Trump: "I said to [the former hostages], was there any sign of love? Did Hamas show any signs of, like, help or liking you? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? Like what happened in Germany."
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmapxnlj6i26
Anyway, I think we'll stick to the Waitrose brined chickens for the foreseeable, as this one was so good.
They are a bunch of people who have become very rich, and are often feted by others - either for their 'talent' (*) or their riches. They talk to, and hang out with, other rich people like them. They are utterly disconnected from the rest of us, and why should they listen to us? After all, they're rich and successful, and we're not. Otherwise we'd be one of them. So their 'ideas' for the future of society, sounded out amongst their friends, is obviously correct. Worse, not only do we buy their products: in many cases, we are the product.
If I was in their situation, I might be the same. What would keep me grounded in reality?
At least politicians need to get voted in, and that means talking to, and at worst pretending to listen to, the masses, for fear of losing their seat at the next election.
The techbroes have no need for that. Their ideas will obviously be successful because *they* are successful, and better than us.
(*) Which is often partly dumb luck and timing
"The "scum" that forms on top of boiling chicken broth is primarily coagulated proteins (like albumin) and fat that rise to the surface and clump together, often appearing as a foamy or bubbly layer. "
Labour are no longer the broad church that they used to be.
You no longer get 45% or so, identifying with each of the main parties.
The Tories have not 'Ratnered' their brand recently. Theresa May ratnered the brand when she called them 'the nasty party'. That was a classic Ratner, and almost as damaging as the original in its own way.