Support for rearmament continues to grow – politicalbetting.com
The latest polling from Ipsos brings some good news for Sir Keir Starmer with his ratings improving but the most important polling is showing support for rearmament even if it means higher taxes and/or cuts to public services.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
With the US out of European collective defence it is logical for a predatory state like Russia to test the vulnerabilities of the newly exposed neighbouring countries. There’s a whole phalanx of non-nuclear countries from Russia’s Western border all the way to Alsace.
On exact SAME DAY that President Trump appeared on White House lawn with Musk and a fleet of Teslas and bought one to support him, after halving of stock price….
Tesla itself wrote unsigned letter to US Trade Rep warning of exporters “inherently exposed” in trade war
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Positive. I suspect much of the increase is down to the fact Labour are doing it, and thus carrying along some of their base, with Conservatives supporting the same.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
Reform voters are keen for increased defence spending, but also have the lowest appetite for actually using the armed forces to defend British interests and allies. Reminds me of a few PB posters tbh.
A deterrent is a waste of money unless it's plausible that we would actually use it. No evidence of that so far - we'll just end up with a bunch of frigates impotently observing cable cutters buzz around the Baltic.
Starmer has done well on Ukraine but his domestic agenda is open to questions
Despite Reforms internal fued the polls are not picking up much of a decline as some hoped and Lord Ashcrofts poll on Frodsham election puts Reform as favourite
By any measure logic would say Reform are in trouble but certainly not yet
On exact SAME DAY that President Trump appeared on White House lawn with Musk and a fleet of Teslas and bought one to support him, after halving of stock price….
Tesla itself wrote unsigned letter to US Trade Rep warning of exporters “inherently exposed” in trade war
On exact SAME DAY that President Trump appeared on White House lawn with Musk and a fleet of Teslas and bought one to support him, after halving of stock price….
Tesla itself wrote unsigned letter to US Trade Rep warning of exporters “inherently exposed” in trade war
On Tuesday, the Bundestag will vote on Merz's multi-billion dollar package. He needs a two-thirds majority because it involves changes to the Basic Law, so he's dependent on the votes of the Greens – whom he and CSU leader Markus Söder strongly opposed during the election campaign. It's a complicated operation that requires considerable preparation and tact. Merz has shown little of either so far.
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It remains to be seen whether he will succeed in winning over the Greens. But even if an agreement were ultimately reached, the CDU/CSU, SPD, and Greens would only have 31 votes over the required majority in the old Bundestag. That's assuming all representatives from the three parties are present and vote yes. Can Merz count on that?
... The Green Party alone has 46 members who are no longer members of the new Bundestag. The SPD has 95, and the CDU/CSU has 48. How can the parliamentary group leadership put them under pressure now? Lure them with a position? In the final weeks of their term as members of parliament, they are more free and independent than ever before. For Merz, this is a huge problem.
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The reckoning will come on Tuesday. If the CDU/CSU and SPD fail to pass their debt package in the Bundestag, the future of Europe could be at stake. If Germany fails to lead the way, the consequences for the continent are unforeseeable. ... The question is whether he himself has fully realized what is at stake for him and the country these days. Many in the Union have doubts about this. They are watching with growing concern as Merz prepares for the Bundestag vote with a careless lack of concern. Internal complaints are that the party leader makes many decisions alone, surrounds himself with yes-men, rarely asks for advice, and often enters crucial discussions with great self-confidence but poorly prepared.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
Reform voters are keen for increased defence spending, but also have the lowest appetite for actually using the armed forces to defend British interests and allies. Reminds me of a few PB posters tbh.
A deterrent is a waste of money unless it's plausible that we would actually use it. No evidence of that so far - we'll just end up with a bunch of frigates impotently observing cable cutters buzz around the Baltic.
I suspect Reformers are conflicted as to who actually is the enemy.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
And despite Labour's reasonable good foreign affairs policies and overall approach this is what matters. GDP per capita is probably going to drop by up to 0.5% this quarter, people are going to feel poorer, especially in the middle where they won't have the benefit of inflation protected benefits or minimum wage rises and the working poor who are going to find job security at a real premium from 2025-2028 while companies claw back the NI rise.
I read somewhere that in the 1700s and 1800s the Ordnance Survey would send surveyors out all over the country. They would arrive in a small hamlet and ask to see a senior personage - say, a vicar, or head farmer, or the lord of the manor. They would then ask that person what each place in the area was called. The surveyors would then try to spell what they were told, as many of the names had never been written down, or not for centuries.
Except the vicar might be an incomer himself, and not know the proper name and spelling. And the lord might call places different names to the people who lived there.
The 19th century OS Name Books are now on line for Scotland, at any rate. Listing which place was called what and who the authority/bloke down the bottom of the field was.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
I would have thought they’d have it at the same time as the local elections .
Though a plurality not a majority support increased defence spending paid for by tax rises and spending cuts. The risk for Reeves is that some of those opposed to cuts in welfare and the civil service and agencies will be on the left and would then go Green in response
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
Its all extremely obvious about going after anyone opposing or just blocking you, but its been normalised and widely supported.
Its why sonething like January 6th was so devastating - once stuff like that is in effect declared acceptable by a large chunck of voters, theres no going back.
@faisalislam Meanwhile, in the Canadian province of British Columbia they just specifically pulled all Tesla models from their electric car and renewables subsidies worth thousands of dollars… in 2023 half of EVs in BC were Teslas, mostly Vancouver…
Not if they buy more American made products instead though
If the domestic option was viable then they wouldn't be importing in the first place. Buying American will also result in consumers spending more money.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
There has to first be a peace deal to enforce between Russia and Ukraine and second Russia would have to accept British peacekeeping troops none of which applies at present
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
Its all extremely obvious about going after anyone opposing or just blocking you, but its been normalised and widely supported.
Its why sonething like January 6th was so devastating - once stuff like that is in effect declared acceptable by a large chunck of voters, theres no going back.
Yup.
I've rarely felt more glad to be on this side of the Atlantic.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
There is a lot of throwing around of the democracy word by the new administration. Expect more of this: without autocracy we’re not a true democracy.
It’s the tactic of populists the world over to conflate democracy with majoritarianism. Except in America they’re not even representing the majority.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Interesting that the LDs have nearly doubled in that by election poll and challenging the Tories for 3rd since the GE. You would expect them to be squeezed to nothing.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
There has to first be a peace deal to enforce between Russia and Ukraine and second Russia would have to accept British peacekeeping troops none of which applies at present
Depressing that people are seriously defending the idea Russia should have a veto on what happens within a sovereign neighbouring country.
Not if they buy more American made products instead though
Back in the day when supply of components were locally sourced this idea would have had a better chance of working. If multiple components from China are tariffed at 20% that will affect the retail price. What do you think the imported component value percentage of say a Maytag washing machine might be? I would guess at between 50% and 70%
Not if they buy more American made products instead though
So you are economically illiterate, then.
Even where it's possible to substitute domestic production, the Trump tariffs increase raw materials input costs, which will raise prices. And the reduced price competition from imported gooods means that domestic producers have more scope to increase their prices.
And of course there is a huge range of consumer products - notably affordable clothing - where there is no real domestic production. Buying American can mean paying several times the imported price - and for most goods, domestic production barely exists.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
I would have thought they’d have it at the same time as the local elections .
So would I, but I don't know if there is a local election there.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
I can find no comments by Putin about Finland which is part of NATO anyway
From the ISW link upthread: ..Russian Presidential Aide and former Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev claimed in an interview with Russian national security-focused magazine National Defense published on March 13 that NATO "traditionally" uses threats as its main instrument in interstate relations and that NATO's "European wing" is continuing its policy on "blocking" Russia in the Baltic region. Patrushev claimed that the United Kingdom (UK) is "orchestrating" NATO's "aggravation of the situation" as part of efforts to disrupt negotiations on Ukraine and Russian and American attempts to normalize their bilateral relations. Patrushev also claimed that the Finnish population, unlike Finnish authorities, is friendly to Russia and that the UK has approved Finnish authorities to "do everything to deprive their country [Finland] of its sovereignty." Patrushev threateningly claimed that the Gulf of Finland has a historical "geographic affiliation with Russia" and that "it should not be forgotten that Finland was part of the Russian Empire." Patrushev claimed that the Russian Empire "respected" and "preserved" the Finnish people and language in the Grand Duchy of Finland. Patrushev appeared to try to compare Russia's current war against Ukraine to the Soviet-Finnish Winter War in 1939–1940. Patrushev claimed that Finnish attempts to seize Soviet lands and "actively militarize" created a threat to the USSR and that Finland was "indiscriminately exterminating" the Slavic population in Karelia. Patrushev claimed that the West is "again turning [Finland] into a springboard" for aggression against Russia. The Kremlin has used similar false narratives about the Ukrainian government's discrimination of Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine..
Though a plurality not a majority support increased defence spending paid for by tax rises and spending cuts. The risk for Reeves is that some of those opposed to cuts in welfare and the civil service and agencies will be on the left and would then go Green in response
Yes - afaics parts of the Green Party are hanging on to their "disarm in the face of armed threats" position.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Just as new council tax and water bills are being paid and the impact of the budget on businesses.
Lots of negatives.
Few positives. Reintroducing beavers seems to be the main one.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
I would have thought they’d have it at the same time as the local elections .
So would I, but I don't know if there is a local election there.
Politically Labour want the by election not as a stand alone event . Labour and the Tories are both likely to do badly in the local elections so the former would prefer the headlines to not be just about them .
Labour need some tactical voting by the Lib Dem’s and Greens and they need to go after Reform on their Putin admiration .
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
He's also a devotee of people like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand from his younger days, so there are all sorts of wild and impractical fragments that could have worked their way into his thinking.
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, and he has all sorts of half developed nostrums and dreams he wrote about speculatively.
I have yet to see the idea of a single selected-by-computer voter in the proposals of DOGE, however.
... and Reeves predictably blames everyone except herself.
Totally fucking useless.
Reeves remains the weak link of the government. We will see this again soon in the inevitable fallout from the March statement. She is not a strong messenger for the government. Not deft enough or capable of building a narrative. Starmer should get rid, but I fear he won’t.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
He's also a devotee of people like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand from his younger days, so there are all sorts of wild and impractical fragments that could have worked their way into his thinking.
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, ..
Something of a woke lib compared to the other two.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Just as new council tax and water bills are being paid and the impact of the budget on businesses.
Lots of negatives.
Few positives. Reintroducing beavers seems to be the main one.
Big increase in minimum wage, also pensions, and whatever else is coming in on April 1st.
Plus workers rights, rental bill coming down the track very soon, and others.
There's plenty total about, if they get a media strategy and some self-confidence.
"NATO boss Mark Rutte sat in silence as Donald Trump said he wanted to annexe Greenland (NATO member) and Canada (NATO Member) "
Rutte hasn't had a good war. He's been a rabbit in the headlights since 1/20/25. One can't help thinking Baldy Ben would have been a much better option.
Not if they buy more American made products instead though
So you are economically illiterate, then.
Even where it's possible to substitute domestic production, the Trump tariffs increase raw materials input costs, which will raise prices. And the reduced price competition from imported gooods means that domestic producers have more scope to increase their prices.
And of course there is a huge range of consumer products - notably affordable clothing - where there is no real domestic production. Buying American can mean paying several times the imported price - and for most goods, domestic production barely exists.
Thick as mince more like, is it any wonder UK went to the dogs when this is what Tories are like.
... and Reeves predictably blames everyone except herself.
Totally fucking useless.
Reeves remains the weak link of the government. We will see this again soon in the inevitable fallout from the March statement. She is not a strong messenger for the government. Not deft enough or capable of building a narrative. Starmer should get rid, but I fear he won’t.
Whose he got to replace her. The Runcorn by-election has already selected so Balls isn't available this spring.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
He's also a devotee of people like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand from his younger days, so there are all sorts of wild and impractical fragments that could have worked their way into his thinking.
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, ..
Something of a woke lib compared to the other two.
That possibly depends on if your talking about group sex Heinlein or service-guarantees-citizenship Heinlein.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
He's also a devotee of people like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand from his younger days, so there are all sorts of wild and impractical fragments that could have worked their way into his thinking.
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, and he has all sorts of half developed nostrums and dreams he wrote about speculatively.
I have yet to see the idea of a single selected-by-computer voter in the proposals of DOGE, however.
I was reading yesterday that he's interested in the idea of "seasteads", floating tech-fiefdoms run by competing CEO"s, with no democracy.
Politically, he's clearly authoritarian, as his Straussian Moment essay shows, but economically he seems to be all over the place, from central control to dog'-eat-dog extreme libertartarianism. Compared to Musk, though, who is the risk-taker, he's the coherent intellectual behind the scenes, and the networked.
Now Dan Hodges is tweeting Times saying that Witkoff is out too.
Putin pulling all the strings now.
Trump has weakened Ukrainian resistance so much over the last month that Russia are now winning a war they were losing during the Biden Administration. I suspect Putin's view now is why not just crack on towards the victory.
"NATO boss Mark Rutte sat in silence as Donald Trump said he wanted to annexe Greenland (NATO member) and Canada (NATO Member) "
Rutte hasn't had a good war. He's been a rabbit in the headlights since 1/20/25. One can't help thinking Baldy Ben would have been a much better option.
He was picked as being Europe's "Trump whisperer". But that was Trump mk1. He doesn't have much of a clue how to deal with the second coming.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
Seems to be the plan - or at least the US version of it.
Trump 1.0 was a bit of a sh*t show but at least there were some old hands within the administration. Trump 2.0 will simply be chaos. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to work out that now is the best time to take advantage of the headless chickens in the US. Especially since the chainsaw maniac is still wandering around looking for more chickens (also known as Democrats)
See Don Jr is being offered lots of opportunities by those wishing to court favour.
Unexpectedly? As far as I can tell this was exactly what you'd expect to happen based on Rachel from accounts chosen tax rises, which mostly hit next month, and the remarkable thing is that it hasn't shrunk more.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Just as new council tax and water bills are being paid and the impact of the budget on businesses.
Lots of negatives.
Few positives. Reintroducing beavers seems to be the main one.
Big increase in minimum wage, also pensions, and whatever else is coming in on April 1st.
Plus workers rights, rental bill coming down the track very soon, and others.
There's plenty total about, if they get a media strategy and some self-confidence.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
It's telling you that - unlike many of its members and leaders - Reform voters aren't all uber-patriotic right-wing former Tories, but disillusioned NOTA voters who just want some money spent in their own town.
"NATO boss Mark Rutte sat in silence as Donald Trump said he wanted to annexe Greenland (NATO member) and Canada (NATO Member) "
Rutte hasn't had a good war. He's been a rabbit in the headlights since 1/20/25. One can't help thinking Baldy Ben would have been a much better option.
He was picked as being Europe's "Trump whisperer". But that was Trump mk1. He doesn't have much of a clue how to deal with the second coming.
Ben's shout would have been louder if we hadn't Brexited (it shouldn't have mattered, but it did). Wallace was one of the very few Ministers in the last administration that had a decent idea of what he was doing.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Interesting that the LDs have nearly doubled in that by election poll and challenging the Tories for 3rd since the GE. You would expect them to be squeezed to nothing.
As I said a few days ago, there will be plenty of centre and left wing voters about with good reasons not to vote Labour, now they're in charge, and asking people to return a Labour MP to add to the hundreds they already have isn't a very persuasive pitch, anyway. The big card Labour had, of being the change, has gone now that people can see it for real.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
I can find no comments by Putin about Finland which is part of NATO anyway
You don't seem to realise that Trump has just gutted NATO on behalf of Putin.
Is Article 5 still a thing? Certainly not for the US it isn't. You have to consider NATO operating sans USA. That is the new reality.
If Putin can't take more a quarter of Ukr including parts of which he's been infiltrating for years how the f is is gonna to take on the Finns?
Rome wasn't built in a day, but the Russians are masters of destabilisation. The narrative has changed in Russia's favour since 1/20/2025. Mark that date!
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Interesting that the LDs have nearly doubled in that by election poll and challenging the Tories for 3rd since the GE. You would expect them to be squeezed to nothing.
As I said a few days ago, there will be plenty of centre and left wing voters about with good reasons not to vote Labour, now they're in charge, and asking people to return a Labour MP to add to the hundreds they already have isn't a very persuasive pitch, anyway. The big card Labour had, of being the change, has gone now that people can see it for real.
The Conservatives under Badenoch need to consider where their votes will come from. Attacking Labour and giving Farage a free ride because he "might" be on their page is an odd way to conduct adversarial politics.
Vaguely on topic. I suspect even if there weren't a war in Ukraine, the incoming Trump administration would be making many of the same noises it made in its first incarnation.
The truth is we've prospered on America's dime since 1945 and as with so much else the party is over and the bill is on the table. Whether you think defence spending should be as much as 5% of GDP in time is a matter for discussion - it may be you can achieve big improvements in defensive capability without having to spend fortunes if you spend wisely.
Nonetheless, increasing defence spending means hard choices elsewhere and it would have been more interesting to see how those supportive of that spending would jump if it was a choice between raising taxes and cutting services. Fortunately, it may not be as it won't be an either/or but more likely a both/and but with stagnant growth, that means, to be blunt, we're all going to be worse off to pay to be safe (or to have the illusion or delusion of safety if you prefer).
Any off world colony is going to resemble the PRC or (even North Korea!) far more than the Western Democracies - at least for the first few generations. The fragile, incredibly resource constrained environment pretty much guarantees that.
"NATO boss Mark Rutte sat in silence as Donald Trump said he wanted to annexe Greenland (NATO member) and Canada (NATO Member) "
Rutte hasn't had a good war. He's been a rabbit in the headlights since 1/20/25. One can't help thinking Baldy Ben would have been a much better option.
I'm remembering how certain people, here, were sure that his "Full Tonto" remark was career ending insanity.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
Morning.
Any further info or links, on this ?
Worthwhile site to get an idea of alternative information. They monitor specific Russian bloggers and Russian media to get an idea of what Russians are being told. Allows anyone (including Presidents) to understand the optics on the other side.
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
I am wondering what the new USA capitalist autocracy model will look like. I am assuming it will operate more on the Chinese model than the Russian one.
It's difficult to know, because people like Peter Thiel also seem to be disaster capitalists. It could be 1990's Russia.
He's also a devotee of people like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand from his younger days, so there are all sorts of wild and impractical fragments that could have worked their way into his thinking.
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, ..
Something of a woke lib compared to the other two.
Any off world colony is going to resemble the PRC or (even North Korea!) far more than the Western Democracies - at least for the first few generations. The fragile, incredibly resource constrained environment pretty much guarantees that.
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
I can find no comments by Putin about Finland which is part of NATO anyway
NATO was built on the assumption that the Americans would help the Europeans in a Russian invasion. But this new version of America would now help the *Russians* in a Russian invasion. Which kills NATO stone dead.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Interesting that the LDs have nearly doubled in that by election poll and challenging the Tories for 3rd since the GE. You would expect them to be squeezed to nothing.
As I said a few days ago, there will be plenty of centre and left wing voters about with good reasons not to vote Labour, now they're in charge, and asking people to return a Labour MP to add to the hundreds they already have isn't a very persuasive pitch, anyway. The big card Labour had, of being the change, has gone now that people can see it for real.
The Conservatives under Badenoch need to consider where their votes will come from. Attacking Labour and giving Farage a free ride because he "might" be on their page is an odd way to conduct adversarial politics.
Farmers, pensioners, those who like Brexit as is, some small business people etc.
Kemi at least largely supports her core vote.
Starmer meanwhile is hitting his public sector core vote at a time Labour is already polling below Foot 1983 or Corbyn 2019 levels
Moving on to less serious matters and the final day of Cheltenham and anyone following my selections is probably going to have to do a Dettori (too soon?):
Triumph Hurdle: HELLO NEIGHBOUR
Mares Chase: ALLEGORIE DE VASSY
Albert Bartlett Hurdle: WENDIGO (each way)
Gold Cup: GALOPIN DES CHAMPS (win), CORBETTS CROSS (each way)
Any off world colony is going to resemble the PRC or (even North Korea!) far more than the Western Democracies - at least for the first few generations. The fragile, incredibly resource constrained environment pretty much guarantees that.
Until the Federation a la Star Trek I presume
Until they attempt to break with their home groups - like the 13 colonies. A Mars colony attempting become self-sufficient would be the ultimate in command economy resource management. And that kind of struggle with imprint itself of the future nature of any society that evolves from any groups that survives.
... and Reeves predictably blames everyone except herself.
Totally fucking useless.
Reeves remains the weak link of the government. We will see this again soon in the inevitable fallout from the March statement. She is not a strong messenger for the government. Not deft enough or capable of building a narrative. Starmer should get rid, but I fear he won’t.
In a government that includes Angela Rayner, David Lammy, Ed Miliband, Yvette Cooper, Louise Haigh and others it takes a lot to be the weakest link.
But, yes, Reeves may well take that dismal crown.
But:
- the alternatives are mostly even worse, and none of them are obviously any better - replacing her won't get growth going - it's the government's policies that are at fault - Starmer would be implicitly admitting that he showed very poor judgement in appointing her in the first place, and has basically wasted the first year of his government.
Do you Labour have a byelection guru they can send in?
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Interesting that the LDs have nearly doubled in that by election poll and challenging the Tories for 3rd since the GE. You would expect them to be squeezed to nothing.
As I said a few days ago, there will be plenty of centre and left wing voters about with good reasons not to vote Labour, now they're in charge, and asking people to return a Labour MP to add to the hundreds they already have isn't a very persuasive pitch, anyway. The big card Labour had, of being the change, has gone now that people can see it for real.
The Conservatives under Badenoch need to consider where their votes will come from. Attacking Labour and giving Farage a free ride because he "might" be on their page is an odd way to conduct adversarial politics.
Farmers, pensioners, those who like Brexit as is, some small business people etc.
Kemi at least largely supports her core vote.
Starmer meanwhile is hitting his public sector core vote at a time Labour is already polling below Foot 1983 or Corbyn 2019 levels
If Labour are damaging themselves, which they are, why are you ( personally and your party) content to give Farage a free hand. Labour might be on their arse, but under normal circumstances you would be the net beneficiaries. You are not.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
There has to first be a peace deal to enforce between Russia and Ukraine and second Russia would have to accept British peacekeeping troops none of which applies at present
Depressing that people are seriously defending the idea Russia should have a veto on what happens within a sovereign neighbouring country.
Well no ceasefire then as it takes Russian agreement too for any ceasefire
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
I can find no comments by Putin about Finland which is part of NATO anyway
You don't seem to realise that Trump has just gutted NATO on behalf of Putin.
Is Article 5 still a thing? Certainly not for the US it isn't. You have to consider NATO operating sans USA. That is the new reality.
Well if Putin invaded Finland NATO would be at war with Russia including the US unless Trump and Congress had withdrawn from NATO by then
I don't think it works like that. A request for assistance under Article 5 is just that, a request. The US would simply refuse to provide assistance, it is voluntary.
I can only find one "by party" graph in the poll - support for sending troops to Ukraine. Reform UK out of line, as per the current usual.
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
There has to first be a peace deal to enforce between Russia and Ukraine and second Russia would have to accept British peacekeeping troops none of which applies at present
Depressing that people are seriously defending the idea Russia should have a veto on what happens within a sovereign neighbouring country.
Well no ceasefire then as it takes Russian agreement too for any ceasefire
Meanwhile Russia Hoovers up Kursk and marches for Kyiv. If Trump set Ukraine up for a ceasefire it looks like it has back fired, and instead he foolishly stacked the cards against them for a defeat
Not if they buy more American made products instead though
So you are economically illiterate, then.
Even where it's possible to substitute domestic production, the Trump tariffs increase raw materials input costs, which will raise prices. And the reduced price competition from imported gooods means that domestic producers have more scope to increase their prices.
And of course there is a huge range of consumer products - notably affordable clothing - where there is no real domestic production. Buying American can mean paying several times the imported price - and for most goods, domestic production barely exists.
If more buy American products that expands production and jobs in those areas. That could include in supplies previously imported.
You do realise even Biden imposed tariffs on cheap Chinese goods mass dumped on the US market given the damage it did US industry? The EU also imposed tariffs on imports of Chinese EVs etc
Russia is moving into Belarus and now pointing out the Finland used to be Russian. Not the comments of someone worried about Trump.
I can find no comments by Putin about Finland which is part of NATO anyway
You don't seem to realise that Trump has just gutted NATO on behalf of Putin.
Is Article 5 still a thing? Certainly not for the US it isn't. You have to consider NATO operating sans USA. That is the new reality.
Well if Putin invaded Finland NATO would be at war with Russia including the US unless Trump and Congress had withdrawn from NATO by then
I don't think it works like that. A request for assistance under Article 5 is just that, a request. The US would simply refuse to provide assistance, it is voluntary.
To understand NATO, you need to understand the history.
The pre WWI alliances, which included automatic declarations of war, were considered to have ensured the war. This is because of a deterrence failure - Type III in Herman Khan, IIRC - both sides had such automatic declarations. Which meant that once it started, it was a runaway train.
The League of Nations failed because it was an attempt at diplomacy and sanctions only.
The UN took on the diplomatic role. NATO was especcially designed as a flexible alliance - and umbrella for sub alliances. Totally voluntary - leaving has happened, without penalty and rejoining is easy.
As @JohnLilburne says, the response to an Article 5 declaration is entirely up to the member state. In theory, a diplomatic letter/note could meet the obligation.
The implication though, is that if a country does nothing, then when *they are threatened* then others might do the same - nothing.
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Is that a first? My work here is done.
We've all got ADHD apparently..🤔💩
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io_Lt1KYU9w
(Should be called 'Lewis Hamilton's Day Off'.)
So.
On exact SAME DAY that President Trump appeared on White House lawn with Musk and a fleet of Teslas and bought one to support him, after halving of stock price….
Tesla itself wrote unsigned letter to US Trade Rep warning of exporters “inherently exposed” in trade war
https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1900451347972915258
Any further info or links, on this ?
I'd be interested to know which factions in Ref UK constitute the 20% difference. Commentary I have seen (TBF: social media of various types) suggests that they will be thinking "send the to the channel to stop the boats".
Trump has been good for incumbents worldwide, most spectacularly the Canadian Liberals but also Macron, Zelensky and Starmer.
You often see a rally-to-the-flag effect from enemies.
This must be the first time in history that it has come from our closest ally.
In this, as so often,Trump is completely and dismally unique.
Most Americans aren't completely illiterate regarding economics after all.
"Increased tariffs on imported goods will make groceries and other regular purchases more expensive"
Agree: 70%
Disagree: 16%
Ipsos / March 12, 2025 / n=1422
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1900266891060371607
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-13-2025
Public opinion can be led.
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1900457587335643348
A deterrent is a waste of money unless it's plausible that we would actually use it. No evidence of that so far - we'll just end up with a bunch of frigates impotently observing cable cutters buzz around the Baltic.
Starmer has done well on Ukraine but his domestic agenda is open to questions
Despite Reforms internal fued the polls are not picking up much of a decline as some hoped and Lord Ashcrofts poll on Frodsham election puts Reform as favourite
By any measure logic would say Reform are in trouble but certainly not yet
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2025/03/runcorn-by-election-reform-uk-in-pole-position/
https://x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1899815985009365202
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/14/uk-economy-shrinks-blow-to-rachel-reeves
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/friedrich-merz-in-der-union-wachsen-die-zweifel-am-knazlerkandidaten-a-180c5819-56ae-4ea1-9987-562a03a469fb
On Tuesday, the Bundestag will vote on Merz's multi-billion dollar package. He needs a two-thirds majority because it involves changes to the Basic Law, so he's dependent on the votes of the Greens – whom he and CSU leader Markus Söder strongly opposed during the election campaign. It's a complicated operation that requires considerable preparation and tact. Merz has shown little of either so far.
and
It remains to be seen whether he will succeed in winning over the Greens. But even if an agreement were ultimately reached, the CDU/CSU, SPD, and Greens would only have 31 votes over the required majority in the old Bundestag. That's assuming all representatives from the three parties are present and vote yes. Can Merz count on that?
...
The Green Party alone has 46 members who are no longer members of the new Bundestag. The SPD has 95, and the CDU/CSU has 48. How can the parliamentary group leadership put them under pressure now? Lure them with a position? In the final weeks of their term as members of parliament, they are more free and independent than ever before. For Merz, this is a huge problem.
...
The reckoning will come on Tuesday. If the CDU/CSU and SPD fail to pass their debt package in the Bundestag, the future of Europe could be at stake. If Germany fails to lead the way, the consequences for the continent are unforeseeable.
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The question is whether he himself has fully realized what is at stake for him and the country these days. Many in the Union have doubts about this.
They are watching with growing concern as Merz prepares for the Bundestag vote with a careless lack of concern. Internal complaints are that the party leader makes many decisions alone, surrounds himself with yes-men, rarely asks for advice, and often enters crucial discussions with great self-confidence but poorly prepared.
and so on...
There's plenty of positive things for them to talk about were they willing to do so consistently and repeatedly, starting with NHS waiting lists. And lots of stats are due out between now and the byelection date, so it needs a ground operation.
When do we expect the byelection to be?
Some worrying comments from Musk this morning, considering that Thiel and Yarvin want to weaken the courts.
@elonmusk
Without judicial reform, which means at least the absolute worst judges get impeached, we don’t have real democracy in America
Totally fucking useless.
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/about
Edit: one at random from a popular valley walk in the Pentlands (Howlet = owlet).
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/midlothian-os-name-books-1852-1853/midlothian-volume-33/4
Its why sonething like January 6th was so devastating - once stuff like that is in effect declared acceptable by a large chunck of voters, theres no going back.
Meanwhile, in the Canadian province of British Columbia they just specifically pulled all Tesla models from their electric car and renewables subsidies worth thousands of dollars… in 2023 half of EVs in BC were Teslas, mostly Vancouver…
Food and Drink Federation say businesses are struggling to deal with added ‘complexity and bureaucracy’
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/13/uk-food-and-drink-exports-to-the-eu-down-34-since-brexit
It could be 1990's Russia.
I've rarely felt more glad to be on this side of the Atlantic.
It’s the tactic of populists the world over to conflate democracy with majoritarianism. Except in America they’re not even representing the majority.
Even where it's possible to substitute domestic production, the Trump tariffs increase raw materials input costs, which will raise prices.
And the reduced price competition from imported gooods means that domestic producers have more scope to increase their prices.
And of course there is a huge range of consumer products - notably affordable clothing - where there is no real domestic production. Buying American can mean paying several times the imported price - and for most goods, domestic production barely exists.
..Russian Presidential Aide and former Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev claimed in an interview with Russian national security-focused magazine National Defense published on March 13 that NATO "traditionally" uses threats as its main instrument in interstate relations and that NATO's "European wing" is continuing its policy on "blocking" Russia in the Baltic region. Patrushev claimed that the United Kingdom (UK) is "orchestrating" NATO's "aggravation of the situation" as part of efforts to disrupt negotiations on Ukraine and Russian and American attempts to normalize their bilateral relations. Patrushev also claimed that the Finnish population, unlike Finnish authorities, is friendly to Russia and that the UK has approved Finnish authorities to "do everything to deprive their country [Finland] of its sovereignty." Patrushev threateningly claimed that the Gulf of Finland has a historical "geographic affiliation with Russia" and that "it should not be forgotten that Finland was part of the Russian Empire." Patrushev claimed that the Russian Empire "respected" and "preserved" the Finnish people and language in the Grand Duchy of Finland. Patrushev appeared to try to compare Russia's current war against Ukraine to the Soviet-Finnish Winter War in 1939–1940. Patrushev claimed that Finnish attempts to seize Soviet lands and "actively militarize" created a threat to the USSR and that Finland was "indiscriminately exterminating" the Slavic population in Karelia. Patrushev claimed that the West is "again turning [Finland] into a springboard" for aggression against Russia. The Kremlin has used similar false narratives about the Ukrainian government's discrimination of Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine..
Lots of negatives.
Few positives. Reintroducing beavers seems to be the main one.
Is Article 5 still a thing? Certainly not for the US it isn't. You have to consider NATO operating sans USA. That is the new reality.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/13/former-shadow-chancellor-ed-balls-says-plans-to-cut-disability-benefits-wont-work
Labour need some tactical voting by the Lib Dem’s and Greens and they need to go after Reform on their Putin admiration .
Of those I only know Asimov fairly well, and he has all sorts of half developed nostrums and dreams he wrote about speculatively.
I have yet to see the idea of a single selected-by-computer voter in the proposals of DOGE, however.
Plus workers rights, rental bill coming down the track very soon, and others.
There's plenty total about, if they get a media strategy and some self-confidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-urkaine-war-kremlin-keith-kellogg-special-envoy-barred-talks-rcna195981
Kellogg out.
Now Dan Hodges is tweeting Times saying that Witkoff is out too.
Putin pulling all the strings now.
Politically, he's clearly authoritarian, as his Straussian Moment essay shows, but economically he seems to be all over the place, from central control to dog'-eat-dog extreme libertartarianism.
Compared to Musk, though, who is the risk-taker, he's the coherent intellectual behind the scenes, and the networked.
He doesn't have much of a clue how to deal with the second coming.
Trump 1.0 was a bit of a sh*t show but at least there were some old hands within the administration. Trump 2.0 will simply be chaos. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to work out that now is the best time to take advantage of the headless chickens in the US. Especially since the chainsaw maniac is still wandering around looking for more chickens (also known as Democrats)
See Don Jr is being offered lots of opportunities by those wishing to court favour.
He's brought them all together, too.
https://archive.is/f8S4L
I think he makes some errors of fact: specifically his belief that that Canada and Mexico folded quickly. Will investigate further.
Vaguely on topic. I suspect even if there weren't a war in Ukraine, the incoming Trump administration would be making many of the same noises it made in its first incarnation.
The truth is we've prospered on America's dime since 1945 and as with so much else the party is over and the bill is on the table. Whether you think defence spending should be as much as 5% of GDP in time is a matter for discussion - it may be you can achieve big improvements in defensive capability without having to spend fortunes if you spend wisely.
Nonetheless, increasing defence spending means hard choices elsewhere and it would have been more interesting to see how those supportive of that spending would jump if it was a choice between raising taxes and cutting services. Fortunately, it may not be as it won't be an either/or but more likely a both/and but with stagnant growth, that means, to be blunt, we're all going to be worse off to pay to be safe (or to have the illusion or delusion of safety if you prefer).
Kemi at least largely supports her core vote.
Starmer meanwhile is hitting his public sector core vote at a time Labour is already polling below Foot 1983 or Corbyn 2019 levels
Triumph Hurdle: HELLO NEIGHBOUR
Mares Chase: ALLEGORIE DE VASSY
Albert Bartlett Hurdle: WENDIGO (each way)
Gold Cup: GALOPIN DES CHAMPS (win), CORBETTS CROSS (each way)
But, yes, Reeves may well take that dismal crown.
But:
- the alternatives are mostly even worse, and none of them are obviously any better
- replacing her won't get growth going - it's the government's policies that are at fault
- Starmer would be implicitly admitting that he showed very poor judgement in appointing her in the first place, and has basically wasted the first year of his government.
So I think she's safe.
Otherwise they would already be buying them.
You do realise even Biden imposed tariffs on cheap Chinese goods mass dumped on the US market given the damage it did US industry? The EU also imposed tariffs on imports of Chinese EVs etc
The pre WWI alliances, which included automatic declarations of war, were considered to have ensured the war. This is because of a deterrence failure - Type III in Herman Khan, IIRC - both sides had such automatic declarations. Which meant that once it started, it was a runaway train.
The League of Nations failed because it was an attempt at diplomacy and sanctions only.
The UN took on the diplomatic role. NATO was especcially designed as a flexible alliance - and umbrella for sub alliances. Totally voluntary - leaving has happened, without penalty and rejoining is easy.
As @JohnLilburne says, the response to an Article 5 declaration is entirely up to the member state. In theory, a diplomatic letter/note could meet the obligation.
The implication though, is that if a country does nothing, then when *they are threatened* then others might do the same - nothing.