Every Cheltenham Festival Race Winner 2025 - And the Long Shots You Must Consider
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Woken up with a cricked neck. Damn.
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FPT
I had a bit of a Trumpesque senior moment there. Suez Canal. I meant Panama, but thinking about it. Why not both?Mexicanpete said:
He's a Russian asset. The evidence is there for all to see. He's hiding in plain site. Anyone who believes to the contrary after the events of the last fortnight is deluding themselves.rottenborough said:
Anonymous
@YourAnonCentral
Trump ordered the dismantling of the landing platform at Rzeszow airbase in Poland, the US has broken down warehouses and torn apart slabs of concrete on the runway to prevent further aid transports to Ukraine. Trump has no intention of resuming US aid to Ukraine. #StandWithUkraine
https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1899119611968422031
Starmer needs to stop pussying around and grow a pair. There is a military alignment between the US and Russia, NATO as we knew it is dead. We need to be at 5% of GDP on defence spending by the end of 2025, and so do all of our allies. Russia with Trump's backing is an existential threat to Continental Europe.
If Trump and Milei go for the Falklands as a staging post for the mineral wealth of the South Atlantic region, so be it. Trump is in no hurry. Greenland first, then the Suez Canal, then Canada, then Mexico, so the Falklands can wait.
And what of Trump's proposed meeting with Xi and Putin. This is the stuff of James Bond , or rather Austin Powers.1 -
My sympathy. I recently had a prolonged bout of very poor sleep due to neck/shoulder problems (nothing serious otherwise). It's not much fun.TimS said:Woken up with a cricked neck. Damn.
(And 1st).1 -
Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
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Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.
Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.1 -
How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.0 -
We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.4
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New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.0 -
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/18992532867141758930 -
Does it come with a money back guarantee ?DecrepiterJohnL said:We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.
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They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.Morris_Dancer said:
New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo
ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.0 -
President Trump is working hard to lower the price of stocks to make them more affordable for everyday Americans.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/18992532867141758934 -
Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out0
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Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).DecrepiterJohnL said:
They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.Morris_Dancer said:
New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo
ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.0 -
The Trump grift is ongoing; he doesn't care.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
Joe Public will, though - and the US public is much more invested in the markets than we are.0 -
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)1 -
On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
US Secretary of State Rubio:
“I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”
https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/18991813282449207702 -
Planning bill out from the government today.
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Ha ha. You’re rightNigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
The rule of inverse Cramer applies.0 -
No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.1 -
You can pay YouTube to go advert free, except you can't because these days a lot of videos include their own adverts for sponsors.Morris_Dancer said:
Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).DecrepiterJohnL said:
They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.Morris_Dancer said:
New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo
ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
Note also that our main broadcasters now have their own YouTube channels, with increasing programme content.0 -
Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.Fishing said:Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.
Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.6 -
Good luck all finding your own coal-black mare with a white-starred chest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2Hk0n__No2 -
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby0 -
When people are fearful be greedy and vice versa.Scott_xP said:
President Trump is working hard to lower the price of stocks to make them more affordable for everyday Americans.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
The likes of Warren Buffet and Jamie Dimon have been building up a large cash position.
They’re not daft.
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Channel 4 now has all West Wing episodes for your downstreamed viewing pleasure at channel4.com (often people forget our broadcasters are also streamers).
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-west-wing3 -
When I realised all the dates were in the future and yet all the winners were declared, I also realised I didn't understand what was being discussed.DecrepiterJohnL said:We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.
Good morning, everyone.2 -
Most of us are voters; few are jockeys or owners.Theuniondivvie said:
Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.Fishing said:Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.
Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.
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Those of us who joined the PoliticalBetting syndicate endorse this message...Nigelb said:
Most of us are voters; few are jockeys or owners.Theuniondivvie said:
Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.Fishing said:Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.
Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.1 -
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package1 -
Not pontificating pundits; radio commentators. They do a great job, or used to.DecrepiterJohnL said:
They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.Morris_Dancer said:
New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo
ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.1 -
It’s when they deny wanting to annex Britain that you need to worry.Nigelb said:
On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
US Secretary of State Rubio:
“I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”
https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/18991813282449207701 -
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
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You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.JosiasJessop said:
No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.0 -
@ydoethur FpT - thanks. You’ve Co firmed my instinct the article was politically motivated garbage
@BartholomewRoberts fpt - you’ve ignored the example on threat of a countryside view. That’s the classic case of an externality
The planning system is sclerotic and n Ed’s to be fixed. I’ve posted before about S106 and Somerset CC.
But a free for all is not the answer0 -
This cartoon might be hyperbolic, but not much...JosiasJessop said:
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
https://x.com/OlgaDiem/status/18992168912157903791 -
Scary, but who is he assuring?Nigelb said:
On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
US Secretary of State Rubio:
“I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”
https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/18991813282449207700 -
Trumpski says he will buy a Tesla today to show support for his Nazi friendDecrepiterJohnL said:
You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.JosiasJessop said:
No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.
He explicitly doesn't say he will buy any Tesla stock...1 -
The Midterms ?AnneJGP said:
When I realised all the dates were in the future and yet all the winners were declared, I also realised I didn't understand what was being discussed...DecrepiterJohnL said:We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.
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That's Musk using Tesla as a savings bank, not running it. I've no idea whether Musk is involved and I'm not sure I care, but aiui Tesla is the only one of Musk's companies quoted on the stock exchange.JosiasJessop said:
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
This means Tesla's share price is boosted by investors using it as a proxy for TwiX and SpaceX, but also is the only way Musk can get tax-free money.0 -
Yeah, if I’d been put off buying a Tesla by the antics of Musk, the endorsement of the organ grinder would really change my mind.Scott_xP said:
Trumpski says he will buy a Tesla today to show support for his Nazi friendDecrepiterJohnL said:
You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.JosiasJessop said:
No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.Nigelb said:Sell everything.
JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.
He explicitly doesn't say he will buy any Tesla stock...0 -
To be honest, I mind the in-video sponsor ads a lot less. For a start, these are often in specific sections and if there are chapters in the timing you can just go right past them very easily (even without chapters you can speed ahead). Secondly, they support the content creator directly. And, third, even if you watch through, it's typically just one part of the video, it's not an interruption every 8 minutes for a 1 minute ad.DecrepiterJohnL said:
You can pay YouTube to go advert free, except you can't because these days a lot of videos include their own adverts for sponsors.Morris_Dancer said:
Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).DecrepiterJohnL said:
They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.Morris_Dancer said:
New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.DecrepiterJohnL said:How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ
The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo
ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
Note also that our main broadcasters now have their own YouTube channels, with increasing programme content.1 -
Morning all
Thanks to @MoonRabbit for the selections.
Having missed most of the British winter (and the racing), I'm probably at a disadvantage but my day one selections as follows:
Supreme Novices Hurdle: ROMEO COOLIO (each way)
Arkle Novices Chase: L'EAU DU SUD
Mares Hurdle: LOSSIEMOUTH
Champion Hurdle: STATE MAN (each way)
Thoughts? Mullins had a 1/8 shot turned over at Plumpton yesterday but then he had four at Naas on Sunday so I don't know. There are fools, damn fools and people who bet odds on in novice chases, I was once told, so I can't have MAJBOROUGH at 1/2.
The ground will be quick enough despite the watering and they'll go a decent gallop in the Supreme so I'm happy to oppose KOPEK DES BORDES at 4/5 and ROMEO COOLIO has Grade 1 winning form on good ground.
The Mares looks a penalty kick for LOSSIEMOUTH who many think should be in the Champion. I think two and a half is her trip now and you won't get rich at 4/6 but put one up against her on form...
As for the Champion, I don't know - BRIGHTERDAYSAHEAD was superb at Christmas but can she repeat this on quicker ground? I can't believe last year's winner is 12/1 - take out the Christmas defeat and his form is pretty strong - yes, CONSTITUTION HILL saw him off easily two years ago but as a wise man once said, that was than and this is now. I'm not sure he's the machine he was but he may still be good enough and if STATE MAN follows him home and you're on each way you'll still be ahead at the price.
I'd advise a point each way on both ROMEO COOLIO and STATE MAN, two point win on L'EAU DU SUD and three point win LOSSIEMOUTH.
(A point is whatever your stake is - whether it be £10, £1000 or higher).3 -
Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
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Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.1 -
X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.
Not seen that for a couple of years.0 -
That's not what's being reported.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.0 -
@ProjectLincolnNigelb said:It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.
Elon is in charge of X, and it’s crashing.
He’s in charge of Tesla, and the stock is plummeting.
He’s in charge of SpaceX, the rockets are exploding.
He’s in charge of DOGE, how do you think that is going to end?1 -
It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
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Kudlow: Elon was very clear. I asked him about that. I asked him if it was a foreign source. He was very clear. He said Ukraine. He said Ukraine without any question.eek said:
It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1899222514569814244
This smelled like horseshit at the time.
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A certain brand of fundamentalist knows the answer without having to bother with pesky things like evidence or reason.eek said:
It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
It's why they blame Ukraine for being invaded, and think a fair result is the aggressor gaining territory, the USA gaining mineral rights, Ukraine surrendering, and Europe paying for security.0 -
"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts0 -
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".1 -
FPTwilliamglenn said:
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.
I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.4 -
I've been trying to look at the X posts cited this morning on PB. Can't get anything more than a 'something went wrong'. I don't have an account.Taz said:
I’m getting more porn bots liking my posts. Again not seen that for a couple of years.Nigelb said:X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.
Not seen that for a couple of years.2 -
For racing afficionados, this is a must-watch:
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That’s a happy coincidence. Why would Ukraine be behind it ? Makes no sense to meNigelb said:
Kudlow: Elon was very clear. I asked him about that. I asked him if it was a foreign source. He was very clear. He said Ukraine. He said Ukraine without any question.eek said:
It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1899222514569814244
This smelled like horseshit at the time.
When my old company had a cyber attack that breached our defences it was from St Petersburg.0 -
£10? That's very nearly an armful.stodge said:Morning all
Thanks to @MoonRabbit for the selections.
Having missed most of the British winter (and the racing), I'm probably at a disadvantage but my day one selections as follows:
Supreme Novices Hurdle: ROMEO COOLIO (each way)
Arkle Novices Chase: L'EAU DU SUD
Mares Hurdle: LOSSIEMOUTH
Champion Hurdle: STATE MAN (each way)
Thoughts? Mullins had a 1/8 shot turned over at Plumpton yesterday but then he had four at Naas on Sunday so I don't know. There are fools, damn fools and people who bet odds on in novice chases, I was once told, so I can't have MAJBOROUGH at 1/2.
The ground will be quick enough despite the watering and they'll go a decent gallop in the Supreme so I'm happy to oppose KOPEK DES BORDES at 4/5 and ROMEO COOLIO has Grade 1 winning form on good ground.
The Mares looks a penalty kick for LOSSIEMOUTH who many think should be in the Champion. I think two and a half is her trip now and you won't get rich at 4/6 but put one up against her on form...
As for the Champion, I don't know - BRIGHTERDAYSAHEAD was superb at Christmas but can she repeat this on quicker ground? I can't believe last year's winner is 12/1 - take out the Christmas defeat and his form is pretty strong - yes, CONSTITUTION HILL saw him off easily two years ago but as a wise man once said, that was than and this is now. I'm not sure he's the machine he was but he may still be good enough and if STATE MAN follows him home and you're on each way you'll still be ahead at the price.
I'd advise a point each way on both ROMEO COOLIO and STATE MAN, two point win on L'EAU DU SUD and three point win LOSSIEMOUTH.
(A point is whatever your stake is - whether it be £10, £1000 or higher).1 -
Maybe a human rights lawyer PM is the only person capable of reforming the system to deal with this problem. The Tories didn't even seem to understand it.Battlebus said:
FPTwilliamglenn said:
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.
I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.1 -
@RacingPost
Cheltenham going update: festival to start on good to soft ground despite 3.5mm rain hitting the track on Monday1 -
i thought trumpski hated electric cars?0
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To be fair, Russia's reclaimed a lot of land recently entirely on its own and definitely in no way aided by a former enemy turned bizarre recent ally.rottenborough said:0 -
It was something Mr Blair should have tackled. Instead, Mr Brown's main focus was weaning everyone off of their self-reliance onto the state as provider. Great pity.williamglenn said:
Maybe a human rights lawyer PM is the only person capable of reforming the system to deal with this problem. The Tories didn't even seem to understand it.Battlebus said:
FPTwilliamglenn said:
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.
I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.4 -
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"Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency"DecrepiterJohnL said:
Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
What evidence do you have for that? Blindly cutting costs is easy. Cutting costs and not damaging things is much, much harder. And 'efficiency' often depends on the metric being used.0 -
Bloody Tories...Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts1 -
Yes, which feeds into the fact that Tesla's board is obviously not independent of Musk, and that Musk gains much power and money from Tesla. Which undermines what RP was claiming yesterday.DecrepiterJohnL said:
That's Musk using Tesla as a savings bank, not running it. I've no idea whether Musk is involved and I'm not sure I care, but aiui Tesla is the only one of Musk's companies quoted on the stock exchange.JosiasJessop said:
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
This means Tesla's share price is boosted by investors using it as a proxy for TwiX and SpaceX, but also is the only way Musk can get tax-free money.1 -
Which of Trump's Cabinet is out selling Invermectin then? Somebody will be benefiting.Nigelb said:X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.
Not seen that for a couple of years.0 -
Defund the charities, it's really not that difficult.Battlebus said:
FPTwilliamglenn said:
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.
I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.6 -
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.2 -
Change the charities act so that that sort of campaign isn’t deemed charitableMaxPB said:
Defund the charities, it's really not that difficult.Battlebus said:
FPTwilliamglenn said:
He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:Nigelb said:Elon is having a moment.
There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.
Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."
https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".
Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.
I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.1 -
You didn't read a word of what I said. I was talking operationally, not ownership.JosiasJessop said:
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
Am I still triggering you? I wrote:
"He spends next to no time involved in Tesla as he's too busy firing veterans with important government jobs. They launched the refresh of the best selling car in the world and he said nothing - your average CEO would be all over the media ramping the product. Musk? No longer sleeping on a cot in the Tesla factory, he's at Mar-a-Lago, the White House or sleeping on a cot at the US Treasury."
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F1: Australian Grand Prix Preview and Predictions are up here, looking at the past couple of races, how the pecking order seems to be post-testing, predicting who's going to do well, and some F1 news too. Some say, in a very non-legally binding way, that leaving a positive rating/review guarantees an excellent Easter egg this year.
Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/12GP9VRP7Ra4pIGkRBf0UG
Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/70a05c2c-f06c-43ac-a980-1b2e129290d5/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions/id1786574257?i=1000698699273
Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/03/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview.html0 -
A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.
For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.
When I used to work just outside Leeds Morrison’s in Rothwell had a man with Down’s syndrome who used to move the trolleys and baskets slowly but with a small and a wave, I doubt in this day and age he still has that “job”.1 -
Also the jobs that were suitable for the less able, physically or mentally, have been automated.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.2 -
Nah, I'm laughing at your shilling for Musk.RochdalePioneers said:
You didn't read a word of what I said. I was talking operationally, not ownership.JosiasJessop said:
I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
Am I still triggering you?
And you evidently did not read what I wrote, either. You are trying to deny and downplay the links between Musk and Tesla, because you like Tesla. I'm saying the $56 billion bung drives and environmentally-friendly coach and horses through your claims. Tesla's board is *not* independent of Musk, for it it was, there's no way they'd go to so much trouble to repeatedly get that deal through.
And if, as you claim, Musk is 'operationally' not involved, why do the board want him to get $56 billion?
Musk and Tesla are tied at the hip. If you shill for Tesla, you shill for Musk.0 -
On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!eek said:
A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.
For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.0 -
I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.5
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And no horse has ever destroyed the international world order in fit of self-harming, malevolent stupidity.Theuniondivvie said:
Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.Fishing said:Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.
Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.
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You need to pay them £12.21 an hour but they don’t generate enough work/ profit to allow you to pay them that.Carnyx said:
On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!eek said:
A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.
For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.
It’s actually been an issue since the minimum wage began, take my example in Rothwell the man wasn’t doing any real work but it kept him happy and the customers liked him. Now is that worth £15 (with employer costs) for every hour he’s there - for a large firm it’s possible, for a coffee shop it’s not practical1 -
Simply put, the value of their work is less than the minimum wage making it uneconomic to employ them.Carnyx said:
On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!eek said:
A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.
For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.3 -
As my riding instructor put it - “Horses are very stupid. They let us sit on them.”DavidL said:I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.
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The reason being Musk sacked the team who would have? Same thing imo.Nigelb said:
That's not what's being reported.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
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It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.0 -
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But I do have a great sense of humour.DavidL said:I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.
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Who knows ?MarqueeMark said:
Which of Trump's Cabinet is out selling Invermectin then? Somebody will be benefiting.Nigelb said:X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.
Not seen that for a couple of years.
RFK Jnr is a fan, of course.
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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social
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Since taking over DOGE, Elon Musk has lost more of his own wealth than DOGE has managed to save from the budget.2 -
On the other hand…Carnyx said:
Very dangerous bonnet ornament, too.DavidL said:I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.
Some years ago, a twat had his dog off the lead in field. Started having a go at one of the horses in the hack. Actually nipping legs etc.
The horse I was riding was a bit old, but a good jumper. And had a sense a humour. When the dog came near him, he gave it a stable yard tap. A flick with the hoof to tell it to go away without hurting it.
Idiot owner came up screaming. Something about hunting as well, IIRC. Anyway he picked up a fair sized stick and wacked my horse on the arse, to try and get it to bolt or something.
I swear the horse, when it turned its head, looked me in the eye. “I’ve got this”.
Then it kicked straight back and launched the fool. Who was standing right behind the horse.
No EV can do that, on your behalf.7 -
Auks...
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
.. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.
Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.
..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..0 -
We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?Nigelb said:Auks...
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
.. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.
Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.
..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..0 -
It's a shame @Sandpit isn't around to comment these days. His sort of job, I think ?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The reason being Musk sacked the team who would have? Same thing imo.Nigelb said:
That's not what's being reported.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.Nigelb said:
Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)Scott_xP said:
The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causingBenpointer said:
Over what in particular?Scott_xP said:Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
(Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem
"You're not allowed to do that"
Such a whiny baby
It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.
Anyway.
If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
@POTUS
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903
.
It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.1 -
And often no-one wants to employ these people.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Any job advertised now will get dozens if not hundreds of applicants so why take a chance on the one that every other company has turned down for the past three years? They must have seen something wrong. Why take a chance on the now clean (or so he says) ex-druggie or alcoholic or schizophrenic?
How many MPs will pledge to offer a job to the long-term sick and unemployed? How many political parties?0 -
We are, supposedly.Gallowgate said:
We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?Nigelb said:Auks...
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
.. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.
Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.
..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..
But it's gong to take many years. Three US subs are supposed to be leased/sold to Australia to fill the gap, and that now looks highly unlikely.
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The Australians know how, already. Edit: but with some added tech from BAE.Gallowgate said:
We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?Nigelb said:Auks...
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
.. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.
Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.
..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..
https://www.asa.gov.au/business-industry/build0 -
Hmm, see this:Nigelb said:
We are, supposedly.Gallowgate said:
We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?Nigelb said:Auks...
Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
.. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.
Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.
..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..
But it's gong to take many years. Three US subs are supposed to be leased/sold to Australia to fill the gap, and that now looks highly unlikely.
https://www.asa.gov.au/business-industry/build1 -
And that’s with the current employment laws and the Government are about to create stricter employment laws which will make companies even fussier over who they will employ. I can easily see a lot of firms implementing rules that shift from give “a chance” employment to only employ if you are absolutely sure.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And often no-one wants to employ these people.stodge said:
There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.Andy_JS said:"Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.
There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.
It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.
I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.
We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
Any job advertised now will get dozens if not hundreds of applicants so why take a chance on the one that every other company has turned down for the past three years? They must have seen something wrong. Why take a chance on the now clean (or so he says) ex-druggie or alcoholic or schizophrenic?
How many MPs will pledge to offer a job to the long-term sick and unemployed? How many political parties?
And most firms already don’t operate a “give a chance” policy
I have to admit that trying to get disabled people working is a brave policy when you are tightening employment law and companies aren’t exactly looking at recruiting more workers2
