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Every Cheltenham Festival Race Winner 2025 - And the Long Shots You Must Consider

SystemSystem Posts: 12,355
edited March 11 in General
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Tuesday 11th13:20 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle WINNER Kopek Des Bordes14:00 Arkle Novices’ Chase WINNER Touch Me Not ?14:40 The Ultima Handicap Chase WINNER Whistle Stop Tour ?15:20 The Close Brothers Mares’ Hurdle Race WINNER Lossiemouth NAP16:00 The Unibet Champion Hurdle WINNER Brighterdaysahead16:40 The Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle Race WINNER Stencil17:20 The National Hunt Novices’ Chase WINNER …

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  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,419
    edited March 11
    Woken up with a cricked neck. Damn.

    (And 1st).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,486
    FPT


    Anonymous
    @YourAnonCentral
    Trump ordered the dismantling of the landing platform at Rzeszow airbase in Poland, the US has broken down warehouses and torn apart slabs of concrete on the runway to prevent further aid transports to Ukraine. Trump has no intention of resuming US aid to Ukraine. #StandWithUkraine

    https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1899119611968422031

    He's a Russian asset. The evidence is there for all to see. He's hiding in plain site. Anyone who believes to the contrary after the events of the last fortnight is deluding themselves.

    Starmer needs to stop pussying around and grow a pair. There is a military alignment between the US and Russia, NATO as we knew it is dead. We need to be at 5% of GDP on defence spending by the end of 2025, and so do all of our allies. Russia with Trump's backing is an existential threat to Continental Europe.

    If Trump and Milei go for the Falklands as a staging post for the mineral wealth of the South Atlantic region, so be it. Trump is in no hurry. Greenland first, then the Suez Canal, then Canada, then Mexico, so the Falklands can wait.

    And what of Trump's proposed meeting with Xi and Putin. This is the stuff of James Bond , or rather Austin Powers.
    I had a bit of a Trumpesque senior moment there. Suez Canal. I meant Panama, but thinking about it. Why not both?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    TimS said:

    Woken up with a cricked neck. Damn.

    (And 1st).

    My sympathy. I recently had a prolonged bout of very poor sleep due to neck/shoulder problems (nothing serious otherwise). It's not much fun.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,392
    edited March 11
    Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.

    Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.

    Does it come with a money back guarantee ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    edited March 11

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
    They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.

    MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo

    ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    President Trump is working hard to lower the price of stocks to make them more affordable for everyday Americans.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069
    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
    They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.

    MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo

    ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
    Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    The Trump grift is ongoing; he doesn't care.

    Joe Public will, though - and the US public is much more invested in the markets than we are.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,093
    edited March 11
    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    edited March 11
    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.

    US Secretary of State Rubio:

    “I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”

    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1899181328244920770
  • Planning bill out from the government today.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878
    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    Ha ha. You’re right

    The rule of inverse Cramer applies.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,855

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.

    Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
    They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.

    MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo

    ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
    Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).
    You can pay YouTube to go advert free, except you can't because these days a lot of videos include their own adverts for sponsors.

    Note also that our main broadcasters now have their own YouTube channels, with increasing programme content.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Good luck all finding your own coal-black mare with a white-starred chest!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2Hk0n__No
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    President Trump is working hard to lower the price of stocks to make them more affordable for everyday Americans.
    When people are fearful be greedy and vice versa.

    The likes of Warren Buffet and Jamie Dimon have been building up a large cash position.

    They’re not daft.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    Channel 4 now has all West Wing episodes for your downstreamed viewing pleasure at channel4.com (often people forget our broadcasters are also streamers).
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-west-wing
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.

    When I realised all the dates were in the future and yet all the winners were declared, I also realised I didn't understand what was being discussed.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    Fishing said:

    Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.

    Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.

    Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.
    Most of us are voters; few are jockeys or owners.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.

    Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.

    Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.
    Most of us are voters; few are jockeys or owners.
    Those of us who joined the PoliticalBetting syndicate endorse this message...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,855
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
    They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.

    MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo

    ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
    Not pontificating pundits; radio commentators. They do a great job, or used to.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,099
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.

    US Secretary of State Rubio:

    “I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”

    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1899181328244920770
    It’s when they deny wanting to annex Britain that you need to worry.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.

    Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
    You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.

    And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,311
    @ydoethur FpT - thanks. You’ve Co firmed my instinct the article was politically motivated garbage

    @BartholomewRoberts fpt - you’ve ignored the example on threat of a countryside view. That’s the classic case of an externality

    The planning system is sclerotic and n Ed’s to be fixed. I’ve posted before about S106 and Somerset CC.

    But a free for all is not the answer
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
    This cartoon might be hyperbolic, but not much...

    https://x.com/OlgaDiem/status/1899216891215790379
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    On a similar note, now I'm seriously worried.

    US Secretary of State Rubio:

    “I can assure you this, we will not be providing military aid to the Russians.”

    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1899181328244920770
    Scary, but who is he assuring?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.

    Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
    You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.

    And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.
    Trumpski says he will buy a Tesla today to show support for his Nazi friend

    He explicitly doesn't say he will buy any Tesla stock...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    AnneJGP said:

    We need more headers giving all 28 winners at major race meetings.

    When I realised all the dates were in the future and yet all the winners were declared, I also realised I didn't understand what was being discussed...
    The Midterms ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
    That's Musk using Tesla as a savings bank, not running it. I've no idea whether Musk is involved and I'm not sure I care, but aiui Tesla is the only one of Musk's companies quoted on the stock exchange.

    This means Tesla's share price is boosted by investors using it as a proxy for TwiX and SpaceX, but also is the only way Musk can get tax-free money.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,955
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sell everything.

    JUST IN: Jim Cramer says today's market sell off shouldn't scare investors.
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1899253286714175893

    The question is how much Donald Trump has invested in shares, likewise GOP in Congress. Personal losses might wake them up.
    No. It would just be Someone Else's Fault.

    Whatever Trump does is brilliant; fault always lies elsewhere.
    You miss the point. The question is whether Trump's own losses will cause a rethink. It is a genuine question to which I do not know the answer. Maybe the President keeps his cash in gold or bitcoin and not shares.

    And the same question for Congress Republicans, if they are losing their own hard-earned.
    Trumpski says he will buy a Tesla today to show support for his Nazi friend

    He explicitly doesn't say he will buy any Tesla stock...
    Yeah, if I’d been put off buying a Tesla by the antics of Musk, the endorsement of the organ grinder would really change my mind.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294

    How heckling in Parliament really works | UK Politics | Political Currency
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTQBzap-aQ

    The first six minutes. Podcasts are the new telly.

    New radio, surely? I always have a history podcast on when exercising etc. Problem with TV is you have to look at it.
    They've thought of that so the new Lineker-free Match of the Day is to show less football and more pontificating pundits.

    MOTD should show fewer highlights - BBC chairman
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvo

    ETA welcome to the podcastification of television.
    Well, that's a mistake. TV has a set schedule, the upside is you have some pictures. You can listen to a podcast at your own convenience (and while YouTube is more akin to TV it's still, just about, handier to just turn on a TV than to head over to YouTube, which unless you use an adblocker has a silly number of ads).
    You can pay YouTube to go advert free, except you can't because these days a lot of videos include their own adverts for sponsors.

    Note also that our main broadcasters now have their own YouTube channels, with increasing programme content.
    To be honest, I mind the in-video sponsor ads a lot less. For a start, these are often in specific sections and if there are chapters in the timing you can just go right past them very easily (even without chapters you can speed ahead). Secondly, they support the content creator directly. And, third, even if you watch through, it's typically just one part of the video, it's not an interruption every 8 minutes for a 1 minute ad.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,277
    Morning all :)

    Thanks to @MoonRabbit for the selections.

    Having missed most of the British winter (and the racing), I'm probably at a disadvantage but my day one selections as follows:

    Supreme Novices Hurdle: ROMEO COOLIO (each way)
    Arkle Novices Chase: L'EAU DU SUD
    Mares Hurdle: LOSSIEMOUTH
    Champion Hurdle: STATE MAN (each way)

    Thoughts? Mullins had a 1/8 shot turned over at Plumpton yesterday but then he had four at Naas on Sunday so I don't know. There are fools, damn fools and people who bet odds on in novice chases, I was once told, so I can't have MAJBOROUGH at 1/2.

    The ground will be quick enough despite the watering and they'll go a decent gallop in the Supreme so I'm happy to oppose KOPEK DES BORDES at 4/5 and ROMEO COOLIO has Grade 1 winning form on good ground.

    The Mares looks a penalty kick for LOSSIEMOUTH who many think should be in the Champion. I think two and a half is her trip now and you won't get rich at 4/6 but put one up against her on form...

    As for the Champion, I don't know - BRIGHTERDAYSAHEAD was superb at Christmas but can she repeat this on quicker ground? I can't believe last year's winner is 12/1 - take out the Christmas defeat and his form is pretty strong - yes, CONSTITUTION HILL saw him off easily two years ago but as a wise man once said, that was than and this is now. I'm not sure he's the machine he was but he may still be good enough and if STATE MAN follows him home and you're on each way you'll still be ahead at the price.

    I'd advise a point each way on both ROMEO COOLIO and STATE MAN, two point win on L'EAU DU SUD and three point win LOSSIEMOUTH.

    (A point is whatever your stake is - whether it be £10, £1000 or higher).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.

    Not seen that for a couple of years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.
    That's not what's being reported.
    It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
    They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069
    Nigelb said:

    It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
    They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.

    @ProjectLincoln

    Elon is in charge of X, and it’s crashing.
    He’s in charge of Tesla, and the stock is plummeting.
    He’s in charge of SpaceX, the rockets are exploding.
    He’s in charge of DOGE, how do you think that is going to end?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.

    As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878
    Nigelb said:

    X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.

    Not seen that for a couple of years.

    I’m getting more porn bots liking my posts. Again not seen that for a couple of years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.

    As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
    Kudlow: Elon was very clear. I asked him about that. I asked him if it was a foreign source. He was very clear. He said Ukraine. He said Ukraine without any question.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1899222514569814244

    This smelled like horseshit at the time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.

    As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
    A certain brand of fundamentalist knows the answer without having to bother with pesky things like evidence or reason.

    It's why they blame Ukraine for being invaded, and think a fair result is the aggressor gaining territory, the USA gaining mineral rights, Ukraine surrendering, and Europe paying for security.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,886
    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,099
    edited March 11
    Nigelb said:

    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629

    He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo

    Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible

    Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".

    Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 540

    Nigelb said:

    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629

    He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo

    Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible

    Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".

    Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
    FPT

    I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.

    I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,581
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.

    Not seen that for a couple of years.

    I’m getting more porn bots liking my posts. Again not seen that for a couple of years.
    I've been trying to look at the X posts cited this morning on PB. Can't get anything more than a 'something went wrong'. I don't have an account.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 138
    For racing afficionados, this is a must-watch:


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069
    @thetimes

    Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said that Ukraine will have to give up land seized by Russia as part of any peace deal as he flew to Saudi Arabia for make-or-break talks
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    It won’t be cloudflare but Twitter should have its own cloudflare like service to protect itself.

    As for knowing where a DDOS came from - you won’t have a chance as it will be coming from compromised devices the world over - it’s the only way to get the bandwidth you need to kill a service that has an equally large amount of bandwidth
    Kudlow: Elon was very clear. I asked him about that. I asked him if it was a foreign source. He was very clear. He said Ukraine. He said Ukraine without any question.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1899222514569814244

    This smelled like horseshit at the time.
    That’s a happy coincidence. Why would Ukraine be behind it ? Makes no sense to me

    When my old company had a cyber attack that breached our defences it was from St Petersburg.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,528
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Thanks to @MoonRabbit for the selections.

    Having missed most of the British winter (and the racing), I'm probably at a disadvantage but my day one selections as follows:

    Supreme Novices Hurdle: ROMEO COOLIO (each way)
    Arkle Novices Chase: L'EAU DU SUD
    Mares Hurdle: LOSSIEMOUTH
    Champion Hurdle: STATE MAN (each way)

    Thoughts? Mullins had a 1/8 shot turned over at Plumpton yesterday but then he had four at Naas on Sunday so I don't know. There are fools, damn fools and people who bet odds on in novice chases, I was once told, so I can't have MAJBOROUGH at 1/2.

    The ground will be quick enough despite the watering and they'll go a decent gallop in the Supreme so I'm happy to oppose KOPEK DES BORDES at 4/5 and ROMEO COOLIO has Grade 1 winning form on good ground.

    The Mares looks a penalty kick for LOSSIEMOUTH who many think should be in the Champion. I think two and a half is her trip now and you won't get rich at 4/6 but put one up against her on form...

    As for the Champion, I don't know - BRIGHTERDAYSAHEAD was superb at Christmas but can she repeat this on quicker ground? I can't believe last year's winner is 12/1 - take out the Christmas defeat and his form is pretty strong - yes, CONSTITUTION HILL saw him off easily two years ago but as a wise man once said, that was than and this is now. I'm not sure he's the machine he was but he may still be good enough and if STATE MAN follows him home and you're on each way you'll still be ahead at the price.

    I'd advise a point each way on both ROMEO COOLIO and STATE MAN, two point win on L'EAU DU SUD and three point win LOSSIEMOUTH.

    (A point is whatever your stake is - whether it be £10, £1000 or higher).

    £10? That's very nearly an armful.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,099
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629

    He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo

    Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible

    Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".

    Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
    FPT

    I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.

    I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.
    Maybe a human rights lawyer PM is the only person capable of reforming the system to deal with this problem. The Tories didn't even seem to understand it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,069
    @RacingPost

    Cheltenham going update: festival to start on good to soft ground despite 3.5mm rain hitting the track on Monday
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,643
    i thought trumpski hated electric cars?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,643
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said that Ukraine will have to give up land seized by Russia as part of any peace deal as he flew to Saudi Arabia for make-or-break talks

    Will Russia have to give up land seized by Ukr?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said that Ukraine will have to give up land seized by Russia as part of any peace deal as he flew to Saudi Arabia for make-or-break talks

    Will Russia have to give up land seized by Ukr?
    To be fair, Russia's reclaimed a lot of land recently entirely on its own and definitely in no way aided by a former enemy turned bizarre recent ally.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629

    He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo

    Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible

    Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".

    Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
    FPT

    I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.

    I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.
    Maybe a human rights lawyer PM is the only person capable of reforming the system to deal with this problem. The Tories didn't even seem to understand it.
    It was something Mr Blair should have tackled. Instead, Mr Brown's main focus was weaning everyone off of their self-reliance onto the state as provider. Great pity.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said that Ukraine will have to give up land seized by Russia as part of any peace deal as he flew to Saudi Arabia for make-or-break talks

    Some - or all?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,855

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.
    "Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency"

    What evidence do you have for that? Blindly cutting costs is easy. Cutting costs and not damaging things is much, much harder. And 'efficiency' often depends on the metric being used.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    Bloody Tories...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,855

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
    That's Musk using Tesla as a savings bank, not running it. I've no idea whether Musk is involved and I'm not sure I care, but aiui Tesla is the only one of Musk's companies quoted on the stock exchange.

    This means Tesla's share price is boosted by investors using it as a proxy for TwiX and SpaceX, but also is the only way Musk can get tax-free money.
    Yes, which feeds into the fact that Tesla's board is obviously not independent of Musk, and that Musk gains much power and money from Tesla. Which undermines what RP was claiming yesterday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Nigelb said:

    X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.

    Not seen that for a couple of years.

    Which of Trump's Cabinet is out selling Invermectin then? Somebody will be benefiting.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,277
    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    MaxPB said:

    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    Elon is having a moment.

    There were howls of protest and denial from the GOP any time we pointed out that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

    Now the most powerful official in the White House goes on TV and calls it "the big one to eliminate."

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1899257453910368629

    He probably read about Starmer and Reeves tackling our benefits:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo

    Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible

    Sir Keir Starmer has called the current benefits system unsustainable, indefensible and unfair, and said the government could not "shrug its shoulders and look away".

    Addressing Labour MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister said the current welfare system was "the worst of all worlds", discouraging people from working while producing a "spiralling bill".
    FPT

    I think you'll find this will be as difficult as getting rid of Triple Lock. There is a whole host of charities (a tax law designation) that spend their monies (often government grants) on Judicial Reviews to challenge small aspects of legal interpretation of any new legislation. This chips away at the foundations of some quite realistic approaches which then creates anomalies. These anomalies then create more opportunities for a JR and so it goes on.

    I haven't a clue what can or should be done about people exercising their legal rights apart from politicians drafting sound laws in the first place.
    Defund the charities, it's really not that difficult.
    Change the charities act so that that sort of campaign isn’t deemed charitable
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    edited March 11

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
    You didn't read a word of what I said. I was talking operationally, not ownership.

    Am I still triggering you? I wrote:

    "He spends next to no time involved in Tesla as he's too busy firing veterans with important government jobs. They launched the refresh of the best selling car in the world and he said nothing - your average CEO would be all over the media ramping the product. Musk? No longer sleeping on a cot in the Tesla factory, he's at Mar-a-Lago, the White House or sleeping on a cot at the US Treasury."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    edited March 11
    F1: Australian Grand Prix Preview and Predictions are up here, looking at the past couple of races, how the pecking order seems to be post-testing, predicting who's going to do well, and some F1 news too. Some say, in a very non-legally binding way, that leaving a positive rating/review guarantees an excellent Easter egg this year.


    Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions/

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/12GP9VRP7Ra4pIGkRBf0UG

    Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/70a05c2c-f06c-43ac-a980-1b2e129290d5/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview-and-predictions/id1786574257?i=1000698699273

    Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/03/f1-2025-australian-grand-prix-preview.html
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    edited March 11
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.

    Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.

    For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.

    When I used to work just outside Leeds Morrison’s in Rothwell had a man with Down’s syndrome who used to move the trolleys and baskets slowly but with a small and a wave, I doubt in this day and age he still has that “job”.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    Also the jobs that were suitable for the less able, physically or mentally, have been automated.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,855

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    I loved @RochdalePioneers plea last night that Musky Baby did not have much to do with Tesla any more.

    Only for me to point out the massive $56 billion pay package bung for Musk that Tesla's board are repeatedly trying to get through the courts. Schrödinger's Musk: involved but not involved.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/02/elon-musk-tesla-pay-package
    You didn't read a word of what I said. I was talking operationally, not ownership.

    Am I still triggering you?
    Nah, I'm laughing at your shilling for Musk.

    And you evidently did not read what I wrote, either. You are trying to deny and downplay the links between Musk and Tesla, because you like Tesla. I'm saying the $56 billion bung drives and environmentally-friendly coach and horses through your claims. Tesla's board is *not* independent of Musk, for it it was, there's no way they'd go to so much trouble to repeatedly get that deal through.

    And if, as you claim, Musk is 'operationally' not involved, why do the board want him to get $56 billion?

    Musk and Tesla are tied at the hip. If you shill for Tesla, you shill for Musk.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,581
    eek said:

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.

    Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.

    For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.
    On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,425
    a

    Fishing said:

    Baffling that people still care that one quadruped can run slightly faster than another.

    Still, good luck to those who do baffle me and wager.

    Well, you’re on a site ostensibly dedicated to betting on whether one bipedal donkey can persuade The People that they’re less horrible than another. Same principle more or less.
    And no horse has ever destroyed the international world order in fit of self-harming, malevolent stupidity.

    #IncitatusForPresident
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.

    Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.

    For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.
    On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!
    You need to pay them £12.21 an hour but they don’t generate enough work/ profit to allow you to pay them that.

    It’s actually been an issue since the minimum wage began, take my example in Rothwell the man wasn’t doing any real work but it kept him happy and the customers liked him. Now is that worth £15 (with employer costs) for every hour he’s there - for a large firm it’s possible, for a coffee shop it’s not practical
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,581
    DavidL said:

    I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.

    Very dangerous bonnet ornament, too.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,727
    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    A lot of people on disability will be able to do some work - the issue is that the work available isn’t suitable for them due to a combination of the requirements of the employer and their disabilities.

    Without addressing that type of issue (which wil cost money) you won’t solve any problem with disability.

    For more severely disabled people the minimum wage is going to impose productivity requirements that a lot of people can’t meet.
    On the last point - please can you explain some more? My fault, I'm being very sleepy-headed!
    Simply put, the value of their work is less than the minimum wage making it uneconomic to employ them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,425
    DavidL said:

    I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.

    As my riding instructor put it - “Horses are very stupid. They let us sit on them.”
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.
    That's not what's being reported.
    It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
    They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.
    The reason being Musk sacked the team who would have? Same thing imo.
  • DavidL said:

    I've been on one of these horsy things. Didn't like it much. No steering wheel and the brakes were distinctly dodgy. Not sure this is enough expertise to start risking my money on them.

    But I do have a great sense of humour.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    Nigelb said:

    X has definitely tweaked the algo this week; I'm getting Ivermectin shills in my feed.

    Not seen that for a couple of years.

    Which of Trump's Cabinet is out selling Invermectin then? Somebody will be benefiting.
    Who knows ?
    RFK Jnr is a fan, of course.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,643

    ‪Eliot Higgins‬ ‪@eliothiggins.bsky.social‬
    ·
    12h
    Since taking over DOGE, Elon Musk has lost more of his own wealth than DOGE has managed to save from the budget.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    edited March 11
    Auks...

    Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
    .. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.

    Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.

    ..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    Nigelb said:

    Auks...

    Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
    .. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.

    Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.

    ..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..

    We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reading Trumpski's social posts overnight, he is freaking out

    Over what in particular?

    (Presumably not Moon's Cheltenham picks.)
    The trouble Musk is in, and the problems tariffs are causing

    He responded to the Canadians putting a 25% tariff on electricity supplies with this gem

    "You're not allowed to do that"

    Such a whiny baby
    Apparently yesterday was a large scale DDoS attack. Which doesn't happen to serious companies these days, but someone had failed to implement Cloudfare on some of the servers. (I am a tech ignoramus, so no doubt this is only an approximation of what happened.)
    It's also pretty unlikely that Musk has any idea of where the attack originated.

    Anyway.
    If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to
    @POTUS

    https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1899325631701110903

    .
    Resilience costs money. Musk is a genius for cost-cutting and efficiency but every now and then, it bites you on the arse. All companies until recently had the same dilemma – is it worth doubling your costs in order to stay online? It's a very expensive insurance policy against something that may never happen.
    That's not what's being reported.
    It was a simple cockup by his team, apparently.
    They have Cloudfare and just didn't implement it for some reason.
    The reason being Musk sacked the team who would have? Same thing imo.
    It's a shame @Sandpit isn't around to comment these days. His sort of job, I think ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,635
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    And often no-one wants to employ these people.

    Any job advertised now will get dozens if not hundreds of applicants so why take a chance on the one that every other company has turned down for the past three years? They must have seen something wrong. Why take a chance on the now clean (or so he says) ex-druggie or alcoholic or schizophrenic?

    How many MPs will pledge to offer a job to the long-term sick and unemployed? How many political parties?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,146
    edited March 11

    Nigelb said:

    Auks...

    Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
    .. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.

    Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.

    ..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..

    We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?
    We are, supposedly.
    But it's gong to take many years. Three US subs are supposed to be leased/sold to Australia to fill the gap, and that now looks highly unlikely.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,581
    edited March 11

    Nigelb said:

    Auks...

    Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
    .. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.

    Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.

    ..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..

    We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?
    The Australians know how, already. Edit: but with some added tech from BAE.
    https://www.asa.gov.au/business-industry/build
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,581
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Auks...

    Surface tension: could the promised Aukus nuclear submarines simply never be handed over to Australia?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/surface-tension-could-the-promised-aukus-nuclear-submarines-simply-never-be-handed-over-to-australia
    .. Instead, those nuclear submarines, stationed in Australia, could bear US flags, carry US weapons, commanded and crewed by American officers and sailors.

    Australia, unswerving ally, reduced instead to a forward operating garrison – in the words of the chair of US Congress’s house foreign affairs committee, nothing more than “a central base of operations from which to project power”.

    ..Turnbull, former Prime Minister of 🇦🇺: "We are spending a fortune vastly more than the partnership with France would have involved. We’re spending vastly more and we are very likely, I would say almost certainly, going to end up with no submarines at all"..

    We know how to build submarines. Why aren't we making them for them?
    We are, supposedly.
    But it's gong to take many years. Three US subs are supposed to be leased/sold to Australia to fill the gap, and that now looks highly unlikely.
    Hmm, see this:

    https://www.asa.gov.au/business-industry/build
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    edited March 11

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Starmer decries ‘worst of all worlds’ benefits system ahead of deep cuts
    PM expected to announce billions in savings from personal independence payment, the main disability benefit"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/10/starmer-decries-worst-of-all-worlds-benefits-systems-ahead-of-deep-cuts

    There's a debate to be had about what kind of welfare system we want and/or are willing to afford.

    Wanting high levels of benefits without the concomitant contributions is up there with cut my taxes and spend more on hospitals and schools for naivety and stupidity.

    There has to be a safety net for those in genuine need - I don't think anyone disputes that. The argument seems to be the increase in those on disability benefits (a by product of Covid and the mental and physical health problems that has caused) has increased spending on the welfare budget beyond that which is affordable given the current state of the public finances.

    It's analogous to the SEN problem for local Government whereby demand has risen almost exponentially since Covid.

    I'm tempted to ask why no one in Government (the Civil Service) foresaw the likelihood of increased mental and physical health problems post Covid - if you were looking at the after effects of any significant traumatic event, they would be at the top of my list. The desire to return to "normal" presumably overrode considerations of longer term consequences.

    We have tens of thousands of people who have been declared unfit to work yet from the bully pulpit, we get exhortations of "they're scroungers, get them back to work". In the current world of under employment finding "work" is one thing, finding the work that works for you is something else. Put another way, there are jobs to be done but usually the jobs no one wants to do for the money being offered.
    And often no-one wants to employ these people.

    Any job advertised now will get dozens if not hundreds of applicants so why take a chance on the one that every other company has turned down for the past three years? They must have seen something wrong. Why take a chance on the now clean (or so he says) ex-druggie or alcoholic or schizophrenic?

    How many MPs will pledge to offer a job to the long-term sick and unemployed? How many political parties?
    And that’s with the current employment laws and the Government are about to create stricter employment laws which will make companies even fussier over who they will employ. I can easily see a lot of firms implementing rules that shift from give “a chance” employment to only employ if you are absolutely sure.

    And most firms already don’t operate a “give a chance” policy

    I have to admit that trying to get disabled people working is a brave policy when you are tightening employment law and companies aren’t exactly looking at recruiting more workers
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