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"It's a lot like life..."Dura_Ace said:I never tip anybody as it reinforces the bourgeois social hierarchy and master/servant relationships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q0 -
Correct.rcs1000 said:
Turkey bacon used to wrap the sausage.rottenborough said:
What is a turkey blanket?Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
The petition about a General Election, which now has 3 million signatures and will be debated in parliament in early Jan., merely says: "I would like there to be another General Election."
LOL.
There will be. It will be in fours years time.
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Possibly! Much as Puerto Rico would in all likelihood rejoin Spain!rcs1000 said:
Surely Quebec would rejoin France in this scenario?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Compliance!bondegezou said:
I think you have to divide Australia into its states and territories. And maybe NZ into North Island and South Island. And Canada into its parts. Way more Senators then.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just for a bit of fun:HYUFD said:
No, Trump would still have won 312 to 296 for Harris even with 70 UK EC votes. It would have needed Canada or Australia/NZ too to defeat himkinabalu said:
Would have kept Trump out. I think I'd give up our sovereignty for that. Just as a temporary emergency measure you understand.CatMan said:
The UK becoming part of the USA would guarantee 70 or so electoral college votes for the Democrats. Let's do it!williamglenn said:
On the other hand, the growth of the internet means that we have never been closer. We share memes on social media and are part of the same political conversation. In addition the rise of China means that we will inevitably be pushed closer together geopolitically as well.viewcode said:
Yes. And that sense was "we used to be close in the past but aren't any more". There is a difference between alliances and identities, and the British aren't American, Canadian, whatevs. May and Goodhart were correct about "citizens of nowhere", but since when was being right an advantage in politics?williamglenn said:
There's a sense in which CANZ and the USA are not really foreign but part of Greater Britain.viewcode said:
I will never get over the propensity of the rich to be patriotic to every country but their own. What was the point of Brexit if the first thing you do is to kneel to another country? First it was CANZUK, now it's USA.Leon said:
HahTaz said:
It’s not up to them. It’s up to people on random bulletin boards.Leon said:
Greenland might say YesNigelb said:This is imbecility, but imbecility that we have to take seriously.
Trump says US owning Greenland ‘absolute necessity’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5053319-trump-greenland-purchase/
If Trump offered the UK American statehood, and we were allowed to swerve American gun law, avoid the American healthcare system, and find some compromise over the monarchy where we get to keep it but they don't have to adopt it, I would absolutely say Yes
Probably I'm alone in PB. on that
USA including DC 538
Puerto Rico 5
Guam, Marianas, etc. 2
Canadia 60
England 92
Scotland 9
Wales 5
Northern Ireland 3
UK Dependencies & Territories 1
Ireland 8
Australia and territories 43
New Zealand and territories 9
Remember, this is just for a bit of fun!
Ontario 23 Electors
Quebec 14
New South Wales 14
Victoria 11
Queensland 9
Northern Columbia & Yukon Terr. 8
Alberta & Northwest Territories 7
Western Australia & Northern Terr. 5
South Australia 3
Manitoba & Nunavut 2
Saskatchewan 2
Nova Scotia & Prince Edward Isl. 2
New Brunswick 1
Tasmania 1
Newfoundland and Labrador 1
NZ isn't federal, sadly, so leaving it 9 Electors for both islands.
Having said that, according to my reading, "54.5%" of people in Quebec are "conversant" in English...0 -
...and Greenland.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just for a bit of fun:HYUFD said:
No, Trump would still have won 312 to 296 for Harris even with 70 UK EC votes. It would have needed Canada or Australia/NZ too to defeat himkinabalu said:
Would have kept Trump out. I think I'd give up our sovereignty for that. Just as a temporary emergency measure you understand.CatMan said:
The UK becoming part of the USA would guarantee 70 or so electoral college votes for the Democrats. Let's do it!williamglenn said:
On the other hand, the growth of the internet means that we have never been closer. We share memes on social media and are part of the same political conversation. In addition the rise of China means that we will inevitably be pushed closer together geopolitically as well.viewcode said:
Yes. And that sense was "we used to be close in the past but aren't any more". There is a difference between alliances and identities, and the British aren't American, Canadian, whatevs. May and Goodhart were correct about "citizens of nowhere", but since when was being right an advantage in politics?williamglenn said:
There's a sense in which CANZ and the USA are not really foreign but part of Greater Britain.viewcode said:
I will never get over the propensity of the rich to be patriotic to every country but their own. What was the point of Brexit if the first thing you do is to kneel to another country? First it was CANZUK, now it's USA.Leon said:
HahTaz said:
It’s not up to them. It’s up to people on random bulletin boards.Leon said:
Greenland might say YesNigelb said:This is imbecility, but imbecility that we have to take seriously.
Trump says US owning Greenland ‘absolute necessity’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5053319-trump-greenland-purchase/
If Trump offered the UK American statehood, and we were allowed to swerve American gun law, avoid the American healthcare system, and find some compromise over the monarchy where we get to keep it but they don't have to adopt it, I would absolutely say Yes
Probably I'm alone in PB. on that
USA including DC 538
Puerto Rico 5
Guam, Marianas, etc. 2
Canadia 60
England 92
Scotland 9
Wales 5
Northern Ireland 3
UK Dependencies & Territories 1
Ireland 8
Australia and territories 43
New Zealand and territories 9
Remember, this is just for a bit of fun!0 -
I was only just getting my head around 'lamb bacon'. Between this and AI, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 2025.rcs1000 said:
Turkey bacon used to wrap the sausage.rottenborough said:
What is a turkey blanket?Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
Is it vegan???ohnotnow said:
I was only just getting my head around 'lamb bacon'. Between this and AI, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 2025.rcs1000 said:
Turkey bacon used to wrap the sausage.rottenborough said:
What is a turkey blanket?Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
As long as its not vegan turkey and vegan sausages wrapped in vegan blankets.Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.1 -
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
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Not yet! Though the US did "administer" Greenland from 1941 to 1945.Mexicanpete said:
...and Greenland.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just for a bit of fun:HYUFD said:
No, Trump would still have won 312 to 296 for Harris even with 70 UK EC votes. It would have needed Canada or Australia/NZ too to defeat himkinabalu said:
Would have kept Trump out. I think I'd give up our sovereignty for that. Just as a temporary emergency measure you understand.CatMan said:
The UK becoming part of the USA would guarantee 70 or so electoral college votes for the Democrats. Let's do it!williamglenn said:
On the other hand, the growth of the internet means that we have never been closer. We share memes on social media and are part of the same political conversation. In addition the rise of China means that we will inevitably be pushed closer together geopolitically as well.viewcode said:
Yes. And that sense was "we used to be close in the past but aren't any more". There is a difference between alliances and identities, and the British aren't American, Canadian, whatevs. May and Goodhart were correct about "citizens of nowhere", but since when was being right an advantage in politics?williamglenn said:
There's a sense in which CANZ and the USA are not really foreign but part of Greater Britain.viewcode said:
I will never get over the propensity of the rich to be patriotic to every country but their own. What was the point of Brexit if the first thing you do is to kneel to another country? First it was CANZUK, now it's USA.Leon said:
HahTaz said:
It’s not up to them. It’s up to people on random bulletin boards.Leon said:
Greenland might say YesNigelb said:This is imbecility, but imbecility that we have to take seriously.
Trump says US owning Greenland ‘absolute necessity’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5053319-trump-greenland-purchase/
If Trump offered the UK American statehood, and we were allowed to swerve American gun law, avoid the American healthcare system, and find some compromise over the monarchy where we get to keep it but they don't have to adopt it, I would absolutely say Yes
Probably I'm alone in PB. on that
USA including DC 538
Puerto Rico 5
Guam, Marianas, etc. 2
Canadia 60
England 92
Scotland 9
Wales 5
Northern Ireland 3
UK Dependencies & Territories 1
Ireland 8
Australia and territories 43
New Zealand and territories 9
Remember, this is just for a bit of fun!0 -
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The new ones are finally going to get an AESA radar, aren't they ? Which makes them reasonably useful.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.
OTOH, the F35 is now actually cheaper to build, and considerably more capable.
But given Trump, Europe needs its own military aircraft production.0 -
Or, god forfend, venison blankets.another_richard said:
As long as its not vegan turkey and vegan sausages wrapped in vegan blankets.Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.2 -
All my experience of visiting schools as a councillor is that sixth form pupils are generally much more thoughtful and aware of both national and local political issues, and more motivated to get involved, than young adults in their 20s. Because as a pupil or student their full time activity is thinking and learning about stuff; it’s when jobs and housing and relationships intervene that they lose interest in politics.DavidL said:
You should try speaking to the rest of the electorate.Fysics_Teacher said:Re: votes at 16. I teach too many 16 year olds to think giving them the vote is a good idea.
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20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)3 -
Undoubtedly, though apparently we're desperate to get it done before Trump takes over, which presumably undercuts our haggling position.FF43 said:
So they're at the haggling stage? Should be OK. Everyone in this business is transactional. Not just Mauritius.kle4 said:So much principal in foreign affairs
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I imagine somewhere in vegan 'plant-based' marketing world, there is someone off their t**s on cocaine drawing logo's for "Laaaaaam-bi not-bacon" made of salted, nitrite-packed ultra-processed lentils. Which are probably fine as long as your primary goal is making money for food conglomerates rather than animal welfare.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Is it vegan???ohnotnow said:
I was only just getting my head around 'lamb bacon'. Between this and AI, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 2025.rcs1000 said:
Turkey bacon used to wrap the sausage.rottenborough said:
What is a turkey blanket?Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
Whilst I don't think complete consistency is possible, I'd be more comfortable with votes at 16 if we were generally moving towards treating them more as adults at that age, but despite a few obvious discrepencies I think societal attitudes, other than re voting, is to treat them as children. Which they mostly hate of course.IanB2 said:
All my experience of visiting schools as a councillor is that sixth form pupils are generally much more thoughtful and aware of both national and local political issues, and more motivated to get involved, than young adults in their 20s. Because as a pupil or student their full time activity is thinking and learning about stuff; it’s when jobs and housing and relationships intervene that they lose interest in politics.DavidL said:
You should try speaking to the rest of the electorate.Fysics_Teacher said:Re: votes at 16. I teach too many 16 year olds to think giving them the vote is a good idea.
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Happily we are past the days of loo paper shortages, so the gesture would seem unnecessary.Dura_Ace said:I never tip anybody as it reinforces the bourgeois social hierarchy and master/servant relationships.
I will lend our postman a copy of Marx's Der Bürgerkrieg in Frankreich if he wants thought.3 -
The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
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Well that was surprisingly good. Regeneration sound when the War Chief died, downstream versions of the Doctor when he was given a choice, Season 6B not contradicted, the Troughton/Pertwee regeneration shown (which buggers up the Fugitive Doctor, but there y'go), colorisation worked well, all in all pretty good. Thoroughly enjoyed.viewcode said:They're playing one of the Master's themes when the War Chief's on screen. Oh the joy of fanon...
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"Lucy Burton
The long, boozy lunch is no more – we’re turning into America
Conversation is the lifeblood of the City but regulation threatens to cut off its supply"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/23/the-long-boozy-lunch-is-no-more-were-turning-into-america/0 -
A lot of this was pretty much known already, albeit through leaks, such that it almost lends credence to the idea Trump nominated him initially knowing he'd have to drop out, and replacements would look better, since surely even Trump had to know a scumbag like Gaetz wasn't going to get confirmed? Not that he would care about the accusations, which in fairness are not proven in a court of law, but even at the height of Trump's power only he could get away with things, not useless hangers on like Gaetz.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
"gifts in excess of permissible amounts" is a bit of a laugh though, given what others get away with. You have to be bribed with literal gold bars to get convicted, and I'd bet even then Menendez has a good shot at getting his conviction overturned.0 -
Trump plans on a compulsory purchase from Denmark.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not yet! Though the US did "administer" Greenland from 1941 to 1945.Mexicanpete said:
...and Greenland.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just for a bit of fun:HYUFD said:
No, Trump would still have won 312 to 296 for Harris even with 70 UK EC votes. It would have needed Canada or Australia/NZ too to defeat himkinabalu said:
Would have kept Trump out. I think I'd give up our sovereignty for that. Just as a temporary emergency measure you understand.CatMan said:
The UK becoming part of the USA would guarantee 70 or so electoral college votes for the Democrats. Let's do it!williamglenn said:
On the other hand, the growth of the internet means that we have never been closer. We share memes on social media and are part of the same political conversation. In addition the rise of China means that we will inevitably be pushed closer together geopolitically as well.viewcode said:
Yes. And that sense was "we used to be close in the past but aren't any more". There is a difference between alliances and identities, and the British aren't American, Canadian, whatevs. May and Goodhart were correct about "citizens of nowhere", but since when was being right an advantage in politics?williamglenn said:
There's a sense in which CANZ and the USA are not really foreign but part of Greater Britain.viewcode said:
I will never get over the propensity of the rich to be patriotic to every country but their own. What was the point of Brexit if the first thing you do is to kneel to another country? First it was CANZUK, now it's USA.Leon said:
HahTaz said:
It’s not up to them. It’s up to people on random bulletin boards.Leon said:
Greenland might say YesNigelb said:This is imbecility, but imbecility that we have to take seriously.
Trump says US owning Greenland ‘absolute necessity’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5053319-trump-greenland-purchase/
If Trump offered the UK American statehood, and we were allowed to swerve American gun law, avoid the American healthcare system, and find some compromise over the monarchy where we get to keep it but they don't have to adopt it, I would absolutely say Yes
Probably I'm alone in PB. on that
USA including DC 538
Puerto Rico 5
Guam, Marianas, etc. 2
Canadia 60
England 92
Scotland 9
Wales 5
Northern Ireland 3
UK Dependencies & Territories 1
Ireland 8
Australia and territories 43
New Zealand and territories 9
Remember, this is just for a bit of fun!0 -
I’ll be honest I watched the original many years ago in B and W and it felt obviously padded, as if 6 episodes might have been right. Watching this it felt very rushed in places, certainly the first half. Might have been better just a bit longer. But the colourisation is great and the use of future images was fun too. Is the War Chief the master an accepted piece of canon now?viewcode said:
Well that was surprisingly good. Regeneration sound when the War Chief died, downstream versions of the Doctor when he was given a choice, Season 6B not contradicted, the Troughton/Pertwee regeneration shown (which buggers up the Fugitive Doctor, but there y'go), colorisation worked well, all in all pretty good. Thoroughly enjoyed.viewcode said:They're playing one of the Master's themes when the War Chief's on screen. Oh the joy of fanon...
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Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-001959550 -
Glad(?) to see "A boy and his dog" in there. I'd put it up with 1993's "Falling Down" as one of those "oh, so this is how we ended up in a 4chan incel hellscape?" films.another_richard said:
20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)
For a related UK rarity en vogue - "A.D.A.M" is worth a shot (part of a quite 'of it's time' but fascinating anthology series) :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191759/
"Roger Empson builds a house for his disabled wife Jean that is completely automated and monitored by a computer called A.D.A.M. "1 -
As long as it’s not American turkey, which only comes in plastic-wrapped squares…another_richard said:
As long as its not vegan turkey and vegan sausages wrapped in vegan blankets.Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
Sadly George Lucas's THX 1138 isn't on that list.ohnotnow said:
Glad(?) to see "A boy and his dog" in there. I'd put it up with 1993's "Falling Down" as one of those "oh, so this is how we ended up in a 4chan incel hellscape?" films.another_richard said:
20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)
For a related UK rarity en vogue - "A.D.A.M" is worth a shot (part of a quite 'of it's time' but fascinating anthology series) :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191759/
"Roger Empson builds a house for his disabled wife Jean that is completely automated and monitored by a computer called A.D.A.M. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX_11380 -
It doesn't sound very nice, but I suppose needs must.IanB2 said:
As long as it’s not American turkey, which only comes in plastic-wrapped squares…another_richard said:
As long as its not vegan turkey and vegan sausages wrapped in vegan blankets.Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
I haven’t bought any toilet paper since the pandemicLuckyguy1983 said:
Happily we are past the days of loo paper shortages, so the gesture would seem unnecessary.Dura_Ace said:I never tip anybody as it reinforces the bourgeois social hierarchy and master/servant relationships.
I will lend our postman a copy of Marx's Der Bürgerkrieg in Frankreich if he wants thought.2 -
40 a/c only by 2030. We are back to the 'fleets-within-fleets' situation that everybody swore blind would never happen again after the Tornado GR1/4 fiasco which saw 230 a/c procured but only 12 in a mission capable config by the end of its life.Nigelb said:.
The new ones are finally going to get an AESA radar, aren't they ? Which makes them reasonably useful.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.3 -
A very good film. It's often come to mind of late - the "personal Jesus" part in particular reminds me of some LLM offerings.another_richard said:
Sadly George Lucas's THX 1138 isn't on that list.ohnotnow said:
Glad(?) to see "A boy and his dog" in there. I'd put it up with 1993's "Falling Down" as one of those "oh, so this is how we ended up in a 4chan incel hellscape?" films.another_richard said:
20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)
For a related UK rarity en vogue - "A.D.A.M" is worth a shot (part of a quite 'of it's time' but fascinating anthology series) :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191759/
"Roger Empson builds a house for his disabled wife Jean that is completely automated and monitored by a computer called A.D.A.M. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX_11380 -
If you are dissing square sausage, I'm afraid we shall have to duel at dawn.IanB2 said:
As long as it’s not American turkey, which only comes in plastic-wrapped squares…another_richard said:
As long as its not vegan turkey and vegan sausages wrapped in vegan blankets.Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.1 -
The title does not help, a retitled re-release might get more attention.another_richard said:
Sadly George Lucas's THX 1138 isn't on that list.ohnotnow said:
Glad(?) to see "A boy and his dog" in there. I'd put it up with 1993's "Falling Down" as one of those "oh, so this is how we ended up in a 4chan incel hellscape?" films.another_richard said:
20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)
For a related UK rarity en vogue - "A.D.A.M" is worth a shot (part of a quite 'of it's time' but fascinating anthology series) :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191759/
"Roger Empson builds a house for his disabled wife Jean that is completely automated and monitored by a computer called A.D.A.M. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX_11380 -
Interesting blog detailing the locations of phone boxes around the country.
https://www.thek6project.co.uk/where-are-all-the-boxes/1 -
people making these abominations should be shot, worse than vegan venisonohnotnow said:
I was only just getting my head around 'lamb bacon'. Between this and AI, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 2025.rcs1000 said:
Turkey bacon used to wrap the sausage.rottenborough said:
What is a turkey blanket?Foxy said:
I was having a conversation with our nursing staff over the bring and share Christmas buffet. One of our Somali nurses is having Halal Turkey and Turkey sausages wrapped in Turkey blankets.another_richard said:I believe we've reached Christmas without the annual tradition of the media forecasting a pigs-in-blankets shortage.
Does that show assimilation? or that she should be deported? I need the PB opinion.0 -
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.0 -
I offer, as a marketing genius, "Waiting for stuff in a big white room".kle4 said:
The title does not help, a retitled re-release might get more attention.another_richard said:
Sadly George Lucas's THX 1138 isn't on that list.ohnotnow said:
Glad(?) to see "A boy and his dog" in there. I'd put it up with 1993's "Falling Down" as one of those "oh, so this is how we ended up in a 4chan incel hellscape?" films.another_richard said:
20 Forgotten 1970s Sci-Fi Movies That Deserves a Comeback!ohnotnow said:
Just to chime in with my perennial recommendation of "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Very of it's time, but very overlooked.Sunil_Prasannan said:
""The only winning move is not to play."BartholomewRoberts said:
Why would War Games not be in colour? It was only released in 1983.Taz said:Christmas TV is shite but @ydoethur @viewcode @bondegezou dont forget War Games in colour is on BBC4 tonight and after it is a ghost story for Xmas from the truly magnificent Mark Gatiss.
How about a nice game of chess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMmZFm5x8
Recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV_(1974_film)
For a related UK rarity en vogue - "A.D.A.M" is worth a shot (part of a quite 'of it's time' but fascinating anthology series) :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191759/
"Roger Empson builds a house for his disabled wife Jean that is completely automated and monitored by a computer called A.D.A.M. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX_1138
Beckett would have been proud.0 -
it does show their calibre though, lower than rattlesnake's belly in a rutanother_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-001959551 -
Maybe the Indian Subcontinent. He likes a beer and a curry.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer spending Christmas abroad seems to fit the narrative he would rather be abroad than in the UK
Mind you, when one of his former councillors pen's a letter like this you do have to wonder just how much unhappiness there is in Labour’s ranks at present
https://www.instagram.com/p/DD4fLSKt7iT/?igsh=MTQ3ajI4eWVudDN0cQ==1 -
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.2 -
May I take this opportunity of wishing you and yours a Happy Christmas and New YearMexicanpete said:
Maybe the Indian Subcontinent. He likes a beer and a curry.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer spending Christmas abroad seems to fit the narrative he would rather be abroad than in the UK
Mind you, when one of his former councillors pen's a letter like this you do have to wonder just how much unhappiness there is in Labour’s ranks at present
https://www.instagram.com/p/DD4fLSKt7iT/?igsh=MTQ3ajI4eWVudDN0cQ==
There is more to life than politics2 -
They might all be true, without being equal. Joe Biden I'm unsure if he was doing mostly alright until the last 1.5 years or not.another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Hunter Biden, though, is a piece of sh*t. Though that is different from how many crimes he may or may not have committed, which they spent a lot on.0 -
Hunter Biden is not a politician,another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Matt Gaetz is - and was in line to be the country's chief law officer.
That you can't see the difference between the two things speaks volumes.
Biden's AG was even handed to the point of massively frustrating his own party.
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans spent tens of millions investigating a private citizen - who had already pled guilty to two felonies - and years covering up the misfeasance of one of their own.
1 -
FT sticking the boot in:
"Fuck business" indeed.0 -
Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/18711886829271126940 -
So what ?kle4 said:
They might all be true, without being equal. Joe Biden I'm unsure if he was doing mostly alright until the last 1.5 years or not.another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Hunter Biden, though, is a piece of sh*t. Though that is different from how many crimes he may or may not have committed, which they spent a lot on.
He has zero involvement in politics.
The point isn't whether he's a decent human being - he very likely isn't.
It's that he's utterly irrelevant to the political process, and has been pursued in a way that an ordinary felon simply would not have been.
1 -
I'm sure Joe has lucid periods among the senile ones.kle4 said:
They might all be true, without being equal. Joe Biden I'm unsure if he was doing mostly alright until the last 1.5 years or not.another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Hunter Biden, though, is a piece of sh*t. Though that is different from how many crimes he may or may not have committed, which they spent a lot on.
What the proportions were and how the pattern changed over the four years we don't know.
But we do know that Biden's administration and various Dem leaders went along with it, lied about it and even claimed he was good for another four years.
The Biden administration really needs to be investigated for this with the likes of Blinkin and Garland being publicly disgraced.
And its Dem voters who should be the angriest - because of this they've now got another four years of Demented Don.0 -
Link to polling company pleaseHYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/18711886829271126940 -
Sounds made up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Link to polling company pleaseHYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/18711886829271126940 -
It needs a link to the polling companyNigelb said:
Sounds made up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Link to polling company pleaseHYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/18711886829271126940 -
HE HAD ENOUGH INFLUENCE TO GET A PRESIDENTIAL PARDON STRETCHED OVER ELEVEN YEARSNigelb said:
Hunter Biden is not a politician,another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Matt Gaetz is - and was in line to be the country's chief law officer.
That you can't see the difference between the two things speaks volumes.
Biden's AG was even handed to the point of massively frustrating his own party.
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans spent tens of millions investigating a private citizen - who had already pled guilty to two felonies - and years covering up the misfeasance of one of their own.
Do you not see that by the act of giving such a time specific pardon that all the investigations into Hunter Biden have now been justified ?
And please stop this pathetic 'my side good, their side bad' line.
One of the reasons why American politics is in such a shocking state is the manichaean refusal to criticise people on their own side.
And as Gaetz, Trump and the GOP as a whole are deserving of criticism so are Hunter, Joe and the Dems as a whole.1 -
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Almost certainly so, and the corollary is that there will be a steep recovery in the Spring.rottenborough said:0 -
Are Reform planning to bunk the Waspi women 10 billion pounds? If so more fool them.HYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/18711886829271126942 -
You missed the whole Congress silent SIX YEARS INVESTIGATING HIM DESPITE THERE BEING NO REASON TO DO SO.another_richard said:
HE HAD ENOUGH INFLUENCE TO GET A PRESIDENTIAL PARDON STRETCHED OVER ELEVEN YEARSNigelb said:
Hunter Biden is not a politician,another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Matt Gaetz is - and was in line to be the country's chief law officer.
That you can't see the difference between the two things speaks volumes.
Biden's AG was even handed to the point of massively frustrating his own party.
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans spent tens of millions investigating a private citizen - who had already pled guilty to two felonies - and years covering up the misfeasance of one of their own.
Do you not see that by the act of giving such a time specific pardon that all the investigations into Hunter Biden have now been justified ?
And please stop this pathetic 'my side good, their side bad' line.
One of the reasons why American politics is in such a shocking state is the manichaean refusal to criticise people on their own side.
And as Gaetz, Trump and the GOP as a whole are deserving of criticism so are Hunter, Joe and the Dems as a whole.
You think that might have promoted his ageing dad to pardon him?
You are clearly equating two sets of things which aren't the same.
What's your critique of Hunter Biden beyond his having fiddled his taxes and owned a gun guy a week while a drug user ?
Because that's all that he's criminally liable for.
And it's fuck all to do with politics.1 -
Hopefully.Foxy said:
Almost certainly so, and the corollary is that there will be a steep recovery in the Spring.rottenborough said:
But possibly not if we enter a negative feedback loop of loss of confidence -> reduced economic activity -> reduction in tax revenues -> government cuts -> further loss of confidence.
Whatever happens the economic bad mouthing and allowing a vacuum before the delayed budget to be filled by taxation scare stories were mistakes by the government.0 -
Former President Bill Clinton has been hospitalized in Washington after developing a fever.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/bill-clinton-hospitalized-after-fever-001959620 -
So why does Hunter Biden need a presidential pardon for an eleven year period ?Nigelb said:
You missed the whole Congress silent SIX YEARS INVESTIGATING HIM DESPITE THERE BEING NO READIN TO DO SO.another_richard said:
HE HAD ENOUGH INFLUENCE TO GET A PRESIDENTIAL PARDON STRETCHED OVER ELEVEN YEARSNigelb said:
Hunter Biden is not a politician,another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Matt Gaetz is - and was in line to be the country's chief law officer.
That you can't see the difference between the two things speaks volumes.
Biden's AG was even handed to the point of massively frustrating his own party.
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans spent tens of millions investigating a private citizen - who had already pled guilty to two felonies - and years covering up the misfeasance of one of their own.
Do you not see that by the act of giving such a time specific pardon that all the investigations into Hunter Biden have now been justified ?
And please stop this pathetic 'my side good, their side bad' line.
One of the reasons why American politics is in such a shocking state is the manichaean refusal to criticise people on their own side.
And as Gaetz, Trump and the GOP as a whole are deserving of criticism so are Hunter, Joe and the Dems as a whole.
You think that might have promoted his ageing dad to pardon him?
You are clearly equating two sets of things which aren't the same.
What's your critique of Hunter Biden beyond his having fiddled his taxes and owned a gun guy a week while a drug user ?
Because that's all that he's criminally liable for.
And it's fuck all to do with politics.
You don't know and I don't know but Hunter Biden certainly does.
And the worst of this is that its given justification to the Trump clan.
All the self-serving crap that Trump has spouted about being unfair prosecutions and political witch-hunts were replicated by Joe Biden in his presidential pardon statement.2 -
Bill Clinton is younger than Joe Biden.rottenborough said:Former President Bill Clinton has been hospitalized in Washington after developing a fever.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/bill-clinton-hospitalized-after-fever-00195962
Even more amazing is that Joe Biden's birthdate was nearer Abraham Lincoln's presidency than his own.
Six months ago the US government, and Dem leadership, were still covering up Joe Biden's infirmities and claiming he was good for another four years as President.
A shameful legacy of deceit which has had the immediate consequence of a second Trump presidency.2 -
I've just explained why.another_richard said:
So why does Hunter Biden need a presidential pardon for an eleven year period ?Nigelb said:
You missed the whole Congress silent SIX YEARS INVESTIGATING HIM DESPITE THERE BEING NO READIN TO DO SO.another_richard said:
HE HAD ENOUGH INFLUENCE TO GET A PRESIDENTIAL PARDON STRETCHED OVER ELEVEN YEARSNigelb said:
Hunter Biden is not a politician,another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Matt Gaetz is - and was in line to be the country's chief law officer.
That you can't see the difference between the two things speaks volumes.
Biden's AG was even handed to the point of massively frustrating his own party.
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans spent tens of millions investigating a private citizen - who had already pled guilty to two felonies - and years covering up the misfeasance of one of their own.
Do you not see that by the act of giving such a time specific pardon that all the investigations into Hunter Biden have now been justified ?
And please stop this pathetic 'my side good, their side bad' line.
One of the reasons why American politics is in such a shocking state is the manichaean refusal to criticise people on their own side.
And as Gaetz, Trump and the GOP as a whole are deserving of criticism so are Hunter, Joe and the Dems as a whole.
You think that might have promoted his ageing dad to pardon him?
You are clearly equating two sets of things which aren't the same.
What's your critique of Hunter Biden beyond his having fiddled his taxes and owned a gun guy a week while a drug user ?
Because that's all that he's criminally liable for.
And it's fuck all to do with politics.
His father dissent want to see his son subject to another four years of pointless persecution.
Is it politically adviseable ? Probably not.
But it's bugger all to do with anything he might have done. The six years of Congressional investigation turned up nothing. And you've just demonstrated that you have no substantive reason to investigate him, either.
But the ongoing Republican show would have otherwise been inevitable.
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https://www.gbnews.com/politics/waspi-women-swarm-farage-reform-ukBig_G_NorthWales said:
Link to polling company pleaseHYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/1871188682927112694
'WASPI’s SurveyMonkey poll of affected 1950s-born women received 10,994 responses between December 11 – 20, 2024.'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/waspi-women-flock-nigel-farages-343601350 -
So the WASPI campaign email list, then.HYUFD said:
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/waspi-women-swarm-farage-reform-ukBig_G_NorthWales said:
Link to polling company pleaseHYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/1871188682927112694
'WASPI’s SurveyMonkey poll of affected 1950s-born women received 10,994 responses between December 11 – 20, 2024.'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/waspi-women-flock-nigel-farages-34360135
Surveymonkey is not a polling company, it's a way of making little online polls and collating the results.2 -
Nevetheless, since the survey asked who they voted for last time, there is some value.0
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Reform are idiots if they're advocating that the WASPI women should get their money.3
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This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.1 -
There's a little film on BBC. It's called "Lost at Christmas". It's a proper little sweet little romantic film. It's also packed full of Scottish sci-fi alumni - Sylvester McCoy! Frasier Hines! Claire Grogan! Caitlin Blackwood! And I'm watching it and thoroughly enjoying it...
...but it must of cost hundreds of thousands to make, it's on a dying TV channel, and if I hadn't left iPlayer on to watch The War Games I'd've never had seen it. What will we do when neat little things like this are a thing of the past
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Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.4 -
Nevertheless getting married, joining the army, having a full-time job, flying a glider and having sex are of rather more consequence and risk, both to you and others, than voting for your local councillor or MP.rcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.
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Ahem. May I introduce you to Loki's Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_wagerrcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.0 -
I probably should have mentioned that it IS possible to put an AESA radar into a TR1 EF, just not the AESA radar that the UK are buying.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.
Airbus have made a modification package to allow installation of CAPTOR-E into a TR1 EF. The EuroRadar consortium has split into two factions with two different radars. You have Spain and Germany (Hensoldt and Indra now in Airbus) doing CAPTOR-E which is a CAPTOR-M backend with software from the Raven in the Gripen. Then you have the UK and Italy (Selex and Finmeccanica now in Leonardo) who felt that at an AESA radar for Eurofighter had to be comparable in performance and features to the AN/APG-81 in F-35 so they are doing ECRS2.
If NOTHING ELSE goes wrong, each radar set will cost £60m and be in service 27 years after the program to upgrade Typhoon's radar started but apparently giving the MoD more money is a great idea.1 -
Merry Christmas everyone.
I’ve been travelling around the world, a circumnavigation, and haven’t been following the so-called News but I hope you’re all well.
xx5 -
To me, tipping people where appropriate, is like leaving an appreciative comment, or kudos, on an enjoyable piece of fanfiction. Simply good manners.Luckyguy1983 said:
Happily we are past the days of loo paper shortages, so the gesture would seem unnecessary.Dura_Ace said:I never tip anybody as it reinforces the bourgeois social hierarchy and master/servant relationships.
I will lend our postman a copy of Marx's Der Bürgerkrieg in Frankreich if he wants thought.1 -
Business investment numbers are in fact, not bad, up 1.9% on the quarter, and 5.8% on the year.Foxy said:
Almost certainly so, and the corollary is that there will be a steep recovery in the Spring.rottenborough said:
But, I don’t know what the government has been playing at.0 -
Great to see you back.Heathener said:Merry Christmas everyone.
I’ve been travelling around the world, a circumnavigation, and haven’t been following the so-called News but I hope you’re all well.
xx
Last day of work for me before the break, so I thought I would share some difficult sums:
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Reform will offer the voters their own personal moon on a stick.Foxy said:
Are Reform planning to bunk the Waspi women 10 billion pounds? If so more fool them.HYUFD said:Majority of WASPI women have defected to Reform UK, a poll of 11,000 suggests.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/1871188682927112694
It is not a responsible party of government.1 -
Also physical, emotional and intellectual development don't all happen at the same rate. And laws aren't all there for exactly the same reasons.rcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.0 -
I'm not insisting it cannot be discussed, merely that it is not inconsistent or unreasonable to have differing ages for (say) driving a car and voting.viewcode said:
Ahem. May I introduce you to Loki's Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_wagerrcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.2 -
Russia's lost another ship; this time a cargo ship in the Mediterranean:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/18714003484320850470 -
According to some stuff on the Internet..using toilet paper causes prostate troubleIanB2 said:
I haven’t bought any toilet paper since the pandemicLuckyguy1983 said:
Happily we are past the days of loo paper shortages, so the gesture would seem unnecessary.Dura_Ace said:I never tip anybody as it reinforces the bourgeois social hierarchy and master/servant relationships.
I will lend our postman a copy of Marx's Der Bürgerkrieg in Frankreich if he wants thought.0 -
I disagree.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless getting married, joining the army, having a full-time job, flying a glider and having sex are of rather more consequence and risk, both to you and others, than voting for your local councillor or MP.rcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.
When you vote, you stand in judgement over your fellow man, just as a magistrate and a juror does.
It bears the same responsibility.
I think the age of voting and the age of acting as a Juror should be the same, and should be 18.3 -
Is that a yule log?Foxy said:
Great to see you back.Heathener said:Merry Christmas everyone.
I’ve been travelling around the world, a circumnavigation, and haven’t been following the so-called News but I hope you’re all well.
xx
Last day of work for me before the break, so I thought I would share some difficult sums:4 -
I've been busy and not following the conversation, but I'm inclined to agree with you.rcs1000 said:
I'm not insisting it cannot be discussed, merely that it is not inconsistent or unreasonable to have differing ages for (say) driving a car and voting.viewcode said:
Ahem. May I introduce you to Loki's Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_wagerrcs1000 said:
Are they inconsistent?Dumbosaurus said:
This is it for me. I want one age (although I would set your range anywhere between 14 and 21 with a pretty neutral view). For fucking, porning, voting, smoking, drinking, driving, contracting, fighting, not-truanting, businessing, invading, imprisoning, murdering, shooting, marrying, trolling... I personally think that 15 or 16 is probably the best age for this but I'm very chilled about precisely what it is and I can see that in our infanitalised treatment of teenagers maybe only 21 would be accepted. I can live with that. The important thing is that it is bloody consistent. These different ages are very silly indeed.viewcode said:All together now... "One of Viewcode's Rants is infantilised adults and adultised children. We need a bright shining line between adult and child, and that cutoff should be by age".
Over the past, what, 20? years, that line has become blurred and seems to move up and down depending on whatever. Last time I bought this up people were kind enough to explain that a wide range is historically not unusual, and I take the point, but we should be making it narrower, not wider. I knew about the Catholic Age of Reason (7? 8?) which is frankly ridiculous (apologies to my Marian colleagues). I'd go for 16 or 18: younger than that is child abuse, older than that is stupid. If a child becomes an adult at 16, then a voting age of 16 is valid. If 17 or more, than a voting age of 16 is invalid.
Many of us have kids. Some of us even have kids that we know about.
And you know what, they don't go from one day a baby, the next able to be Prime Minister. They grow and they evolve and they mature.
As parents, we expand the perimeter of their responsibilities gradually. We say "yes, you can walk to and from the shops on your own", "yes, you can stay home overnight on your own", "no, you can't smoke that in the house", "yes, you can bring your girlfriend for your birthday dinner", "no, she can't stay overnight in your bedroom", "yes, you can choose your A Levels and University", etc etc etc.
Now, different people mature at different rates, and sadly simplicity is necessary for laws.
But kids gain responsibilities one bit at a time, not in some sudden rush of maturity.
But what fascinates me is the variability between, and within people. Someone might be sensible enough, and physically able to, drive a car at fourteen. Others may not be sensible enough at thirty. Likewise, whilst someone might be sexually mature enough to have sex at sixteen, they may not be mentally mature enough to cope with the responsibilities and consequences of sex. Others may be, much younger.
Looking back at myself as a teenager, I matured faster and slower than my compatriots in different ways.
Yet we legally need hard-and-fast ages for these things. One age may work for one kid, and it may be disastrous for another.1 -
Is that cost for each additional unit of production - or dues it include the development costs amortised over the number were actually fitting ?Dura_Ace said:
I probably should have mentioned that it IS possible to put an AESA radar into a TR1 EF, just not the AESA radar that the UK are buying.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.
Airbus have made a modification package to allow installation of CAPTOR-E into a TR1 EF. The EuroRadar consortium has split into two factions with two different radars. You have Spain and Germany (Hensoldt and Indra now in Airbus) doing CAPTOR-E which is a CAPTOR-M backend with software from the Raven in the Gripen. Then you have the UK and Italy (Selex and Finmeccanica now in Leonardo) who felt that at an AESA radar for Eurofighter had to be comparable in performance and features to the AN/APG-81 in F-35 so they are doing ECRS2.
If NOTHING ELSE goes wrong, each radar set will cost £60m and be in service 27 years after the program to upgrade Typhoon's radar started but apparently giving the MoD more money is a great idea.
Because those aren't the same things all.
On the former score, the incredibly complex and hugely expensive to develop F35, for example, is now one of the cheaper advanced fighters that you can buy.0 -
Merry Christmas to you and your good lady, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
May I take this opportunity of wishing you and yours a Happy Christmas and New YearMexicanpete said:
Maybe the Indian Subcontinent. He likes a beer and a curry.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer spending Christmas abroad seems to fit the narrative he would rather be abroad than in the UK
Mind you, when one of his former councillors pen's a letter like this you do have to wonder just how much unhappiness there is in Labour’s ranks at present
https://www.instagram.com/p/DD4fLSKt7iT/?igsh=MTQ3ajI4eWVudDN0cQ==
There is more to life than politics2 -
I'm not sure they are ?Andy_JS said:Reform are idiots if they're advocating that the WASPI women should get their money.
But if Reform can pull off the Trump trick* of attracting disaffected voters, despite offering no real solutions for them (and in many cases advocating policies which will likely make life actively worse for them), then Farsge is a decent bet for next PM.
*See also, Brexit.2 -
A few years ago I was accidentally involved in hiring Indra to do some development work (they came in half the price of of any of the other bids, and their references checked out so we didn't really have any other choice).Dura_Ace said:
I probably should have mentioned that it IS possible to put an AESA radar into a TR1 EF, just not the AESA radar that the UK are buying.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.
Airbus have made a modification package to allow installation of CAPTOR-E into a TR1 EF. The EuroRadar consortium has split into two factions with two different radars. You have Spain and Germany (Hensoldt and Indra now in Airbus) doing CAPTOR-E which is a CAPTOR-M backend with software from the Raven in the Gripen. Then you have the UK and Italy (Selex and Finmeccanica now in Leonardo) who felt that at an AESA radar for Eurofighter had to be comparable in performance and features to the AN/APG-81 in F-35 so they are doing ECRS2.
If NOTHING ELSE goes wrong, each radar set will cost £60m and be in service 27 years after the program to upgrade Typhoon's radar started but apparently giving the MoD more money is a great idea.
And I was staggered by how competent they were.
I mean, they obviously didn't deliver on time (this is software development), but they communicated well. It was a contracting revelation. The difference with Accenture (expensive, late, no communication, heck noone over the age of 25 to even talk to) was stark.
Obviously, I couldn't in all conscience recommend anyone uses a big IT/defence contractor. But Indra were -head and shoulders- better than anyone else I've been involved in.1 -
Surely the real trick to getting elected is opening up a massive gap between reality and belief.Nigelb said:
I'm not sure they are ?Andy_JS said:Reform are idiots if they're advocating that the WASPI women should get their money.
But if Reform can pull off the Trump trick* of attracting disaffected voters, despite offering no real solutions for them (and in many cases advocating policies which will likely make life actively worse for them), then Farsge is a decent bet for next PM.
*See also, Brexit.
If you believe Elon Musk, Germany and New York are both crime infested hell holes.
When the reality is that you are dramatically safer in either than -say- Texas.1 -
Oh dear, what a shame. (Etc.)JosiasJessop said:Russia's lost another ship; this time a cargo ship in the Mediterranean:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/18714003484320850471 -
We do not *know* that. We know it has been claimed by a well-known forger and liar with an axe to grind, who is clearly suffering from rapid mental decline himself. That is hardly the same thing.another_richard said:
I'm sure Joe has lucid periods among the senile ones.kle4 said:
They might all be true, without being equal. Joe Biden I'm unsure if he was doing mostly alright until the last 1.5 years or not.another_richard said:
If Gaetz had been charged.Nigelb said:
He might well have been a multiple felon had he ever been charged, and he undeniably had sufficient political influence to be first choice as Trump's Attorney General.another_richard said:
Gaetz is a horrible person but he's not a multiple felon with excessive influence over the President.Nigelb said:The GOP efforts to bury this report make their six year pursuit of private citizen Hunter Biden utterly hypocritical.
Ethics releases Matt Gaetz report
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5054176-house-ethics-committee-gaetz-report/
Gaetz report renews debate about how he escaped federal charges
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-doj-criminal-charges-00195955
And there's zero evidence - despite the Republicans in Congress spending six years, and tens of millions of dollars investigating him - that Biden Jnr had any substantive political influence at all.
Remind us who has been in power for the last four years.
Boy Biden had enough influence to get a presidential pardon stretched over a suspiciously large period in addition to the things he had been convicted of. Who knows what other influence he has had and how much influence he would have had if Senile Joe had managed to keep his decline hidden for a few more months.
Hunter Biden is scum
Matt Gaetz is scum
Joe Biden wasn't fit to be president
Donald Trump isn't fit to be president
I don't know why people cannot accept all four statements as fact but instead pretend that only the ones of the 'other side' matter.
Hunter Biden, though, is a piece of sh*t. Though that is different from how many crimes he may or may not have committed, which they spent a lot on.
What the proportions were and how the pattern changed over the four years we don't know.
But we do know that Biden's administration and various Dem leaders went along with it, lied about it and even claimed he was good for another four years.
We also do not *know* that Hunter Biden had any influence over his father. (See above, but replace *advanced mental decline* with *appoints his son’s - ahem - closest friend as Vice President*.)
Finally, when it comes to the pardon issued we know that Trump had threatened to act illegally to have a number of his ‘enemies’ locked up on trumped up (sic) charges and that there was an urgent need to forestall him by eliminating any legal route to do so. Hunter Biden is one individual for whom Trump has such a burning hatred.
As for why Gaetz hasn’t been prosecuted, there may be a number of reasons, but I would point out most of the more serious crimes (e.g. trafficking) were committed by his associates, who *have* been prosecuted.
Of course, your remarks may have been about Musk, but as far as I know he’s not been convicted yet.0 -
It’s almost as if ancient and long-time unserviceable ships have a bit of a habit of ending up at the bottom of the sea.rcs1000 said:
Oh dear, what a shame. (Etc.)JosiasJessop said:Russia's lost another ship; this time a cargo ship in the Mediterranean:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1871400348432085047
The oil tankers that sank last week left a massive oil slick on the beach at holiday resort. So a few emergency workers turned up with the media to clean up the beach and film segments for the news. Except that they had no plans to remove their begs of contaminated sand afterwards, so they all got swept back out to sea when the tide came in! https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/18709415416965206620 -
If this site is to be believed, it suffered a broken fuel line and lost power:rcs1000 said:
Oh dear, what a shame. (Etc.)JosiasJessop said:Russia's lost another ship; this time a cargo ship in the Mediterranean:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1871400348432085047
https://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Ships/Ursa-Major-9538892.html
I’m not quite sure why that would be terminal on its own - the weather in the Western Med doesn’t look very bad - but it may have been a sign of even more serious maintenance issues perhaps?
Apparently it was on its way to Syria to retrieve Russian military equipment.0 -
Yes, I realize saying something is "better than Accenture" is a little like saying that something is "better than AIDS". I mean, it rather goes without saying.rcs1000 said:
A few years ago I was accidentally involved in hiring Indra to do some development work (they came in half the price of of any of the other bids, and their references checked out so we didn't really have any other choice).Dura_Ace said:
I probably should have mentioned that it IS possible to put an AESA radar into a TR1 EF, just not the AESA radar that the UK are buying.Dura_Ace said:
TR1 EFs would need a structural change in the forward fuselage to accommodate the newest computing hardware. They certainly would be obsolete by the time that was negotiated, contracted, designed, certified and implemented. Also... money.rcs1000 said:
The tranche 1 Eurofighters aren't *that* old - surely their airframes are serviceable, and their avionics could be upgraded to the latest version.Nigelb said:The leaders of @eurofighter and #NETMA (the @NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) today signed the contract for up to 24 @ItalianAirForce Eurofighters in #Rome. The announcement comes at a strategically important time for the Eurofighter programme and follows the contract signing last Friday (20 December) for 25 Eurofighters for the Spanish Air Force. The new Italian Eurofighter Typhoon jets will replace Italian Tranche 1 versions that are currently in service.
https://x.com/Leonardo_live/status/1871239691758104867
There are still some Block 15 (early 80s) F-16s in use, albeit mostly for training purposes. And I believe Israel still flies some of the very earliest F-16s made.
Airbus have made a modification package to allow installation of CAPTOR-E into a TR1 EF. The EuroRadar consortium has split into two factions with two different radars. You have Spain and Germany (Hensoldt and Indra now in Airbus) doing CAPTOR-E which is a CAPTOR-M backend with software from the Raven in the Gripen. Then you have the UK and Italy (Selex and Finmeccanica now in Leonardo) who felt that at an AESA radar for Eurofighter had to be comparable in performance and features to the AN/APG-81 in F-35 so they are doing ECRS2.
If NOTHING ELSE goes wrong, each radar set will cost £60m and be in service 27 years after the program to upgrade Typhoon's radar started but apparently giving the MoD more money is a great idea.
And I was staggered by how competent they were.
I mean, they obviously didn't deliver on time (this is software development), but they communicated well. It was a contracting revelation. The difference with Accenture (expensive, late, no communication, heck noone over the age of 25 to even talk to) was stark.
Obviously, I couldn't in all conscience recommend anyone uses a big IT/defence contractor. But Indra were -head and shoulders- better than anyone else I've been involved in.1 -
Jeeesus...Sandpit said:
It’s almost as if ancient and long-time unserviceable ships have a bit of a habit of ending up at the bottom of the sea.rcs1000 said:
Oh dear, what a shame. (Etc.)JosiasJessop said:Russia's lost another ship; this time a cargo ship in the Mediterranean:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1871400348432085047
The oil tankers that sank last week left a massive oil slick on the beach at holiday resort. So a few emergency workers turned up with the media to clean up the beach and film segments for the news. Except that they had no plans to remove their begs of contaminated sand afterwards, so they all got swept back out to sea when the tide came in! https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/18709415416965206620 -
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And to you and yours BigG.Big_G_NorthWales said:
May I take this opportunity of wishing you and yours a Happy Christmas and New YearMexicanpete said:
Maybe the Indian Subcontinent. He likes a beer and a curry.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer spending Christmas abroad seems to fit the narrative he would rather be abroad than in the UK
Mind you, when one of his former councillors pen's a letter like this you do have to wonder just how much unhappiness there is in Labour’s ranks at present
https://www.instagram.com/p/DD4fLSKt7iT/?igsh=MTQ3ajI4eWVudDN0cQ==
There is more to life than politics1 -
The “fixed pie” fallacy is at the heart of much wrong-headed economic thinking.
There is essentially infinite potential for job and company creation.
Think of all the things that didn’t exist 20 or 30 years ago!
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1871451701976412293
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In a Daniel Craig fake southern accent…DecrepiterJohnL said:The “fixed pie” fallacy is at the heart of much wrong-headed economic thinking.
There is essentially infinite potential for job and company creation.
Think of all the things that didn’t exist 20 or 30 years ago!
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1871451701976412293
‘I keep coming back to ‘inbreatheate.’ Not a word…’1
