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kjh said:

moonshine said:

“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”

Hmmm

Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.

What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?

kjh said:

moonshine said:

“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”

Hmmm

Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.

What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

rcs1000 said:

TRAFALGAR GIVES TRUMP 3 POINT LEAD IN NORTH CAROLINA.

I know that's of no importance whatsoever, but I just wanted to mention it.

Is his methodology the tried and trusted technique of throwing half a dozen playing cards in the air and those that land face up give us the Trump lead?

I didn't realise it was that scientific.

Mexicanpete said:

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TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

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Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."

Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277

What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.

Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.

Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.

The question is what do these agitators want? What would they have liked to happen? Because I doubt that anything reasonable the police could have said or done would have sated their appetite.

Let’s been honest, given their and others’ messages during the riots. They would have liked the Police to name the murderer as a terrorist, to clearly state his race, to go easy on the rioters and those inciting violence online - perhaps just shrug it off as people blowing off steam. But that wouldn’t be enough. Nothing short of some sort of mass deportation would be enough, because what they want is - to echo some rhetoric that’s made its way on to this site in the last 24 hours - “not to see too many black or brown faces”. Yes, a poster actually wrote that last night, on here.

That’s the game Goodwin is playing. It’s also the pool Jenrick is dipping his toes into, whether out of ideology or cynicism. PB recently suggests to me that there’s a market for it even amongst people with, to channel another of this evening’s topics, decent A Levels.

A great final paragraph.

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly I think people writing off SKS at this point are incredibly naïve. You could have taken these posts and transplanted them back to 2020/2021 when people were saying Johnson would be PM for a decade. I think only @Anabobazina and myself were saying otherwise.

Of course I also thought Jezza would win in 2019 so...

kinabalu said:

AAA

(old money)

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

rkrkrk said:

Ratters said:

Trump's chance of winning electoral college:
- 538: 53%
- Nate Silver: 54%
- Betfair: 65%

So the models project a coin toss with a slight Trump bias, while the betting market make Trump almost twice as likely to win as Harris.

It is a very significant divergence.

Yes although I'm loathe to do it because it feels like jinx/double misery, I've got to lay Trump at those prices.

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly I think people writing off SKS at this point are incredibly naïve. You could have taken these posts and transplanted them back to 2020/2021 when people were saying Johnson would be PM for a decade. I think only @Anabobazina and myself were saying otherwise.

Of course I also thought Jezza would win in 2019 so...

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

MaxPB said:

I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Omnium said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Omnium said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly I think people writing off SKS at this point are incredibly naïve. You could have taken these posts and transplanted them back to 2020/2021 when people were saying Johnson would be PM for a decade. I think only @Anabobazina and myself were saying otherwise.

Of course I also thought Jezza would win in 2019 so...

Ah but you joined in March 24, and have been a little hostile to people that suggested you might actually be CHB under another name! Which was weird as we rather liked CHB (well I did at least)

That's not how I recall it. I've even used the same sequence of characters.

I think I've confirmed like half a dozen times that I am, or represent Mr Horse Battery.

Well assuming you finally admit it, welcome back CHB! (I was simply a bit baffled some months ago to conflate you two, and then you got upset)

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.

Don't worry, the Groucho Club is still only around £6.50.

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

kinabalu said:

rkrkrk said:

Ratters said:

Trump's chance of winning electoral college:
- 538: 53%
- Nate Silver: 54%
- Betfair: 65%

So the models project a coin toss with a slight Trump bias, while the betting market make Trump almost twice as likely to win as Harris.

It is a very significant divergence.

Yes although I'm loathe to do it because it feels like jinx/double misery, I've got to lay Trump at those prices.

New position or adding to an existing one?

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

moonshine said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

After tomorrow will it be cheaper to go and have a few pints and walk home, or drive and soda water…

rcs1000 said:

Flatlander said:

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

Selebian said:

carnforth said:

williamglenn said:

carnforth said:

carnforth said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky

Southport killer charged with terrorism

The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.

"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".

Also:

"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.

Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.

True, but:

"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."

Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.

A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!

One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.

To someone who has done chemistry, the world is full of "Put this, this and this in a bucket and you get...."

When I was doing my A-Level chemistry I was paired up with this Chinese kid. Very smart, but had only just arrived in the UK and his English wasn't very good and had shall we say a very lax approach to health and safety....using the fume cupboard was seen as unnecessary hassle, as was bothering to measure things...150ml...300ml, same thing...i just double everything else...

When I was a teenager, you could get everything mail order. I still remember the thrill of getting the 100% Sulphuric acid. In those days the use of polystyrene foam round a bottle in a parcel was a bit exotic. Glass bottle of course.....

The 100% Nitric was fun as well.

My brother (slightly older) was a spoil sport and drew the line at Hydrofluoric......

Mind you, the bit where we teaching ourselves how to silver glass using silver nitrate... and the solution turned black.....

In my day the students who knew what they were doing were allowed to brew up all kinds of things in the back of the chemistry lab at school.

The usual amusement was NI3 which was mostly used to eat shoe soles one crackle at a time but other more exciting compounds may have been attempted.

It was kind of brought to a halt when some fool didn't cool a reaction vessel enough and the main classroom had to be cleared rather quickly.

I don't think anyone deliberately made any fulminates though!

Most of those committing such criminal acts went on to Oxbridge, of course.

[That's me on a list now]

One of the sixth formers at my school (who ended up at Oxford) used to make amphetamines in the school chemistry lab.

This was discovered just before Easter in his upper sixth, and the school was faced with a choice...

As he was the only kid with an Oxbridge offer, they did exactly what you'd expect, and completely swept it under the carpet.

numbertwelve said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

There are other things we should be doing to help the industry rather than keeping wages low.

Omnium said:

numbertwelve said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

There are other things we should be doing to help the industry rather than keeping wages low.

Drink more beer?

eek said:

bondegezou said:

tlg86 said:

maxh said:

tlg86 said:

maxh said:

tlg86 said:

maaarsh said:

Sandpit said:

Razedabode said:

williamglenn said:

carnforth said:

williamglenn said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky

Southport killer charged with terrorism

The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).

Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?

The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1

Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.

I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.

So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?

Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.

It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.

The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)

I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.

Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.

Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).

That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.

"Not that I want it to kick off"

Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.

What specifically had been covered up?

The discovery of Ricin - alongside which Guido is claiming he knew on Friday and was ordered not to publish...

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

You're saying no it's not true that I don't go as much as I used to? Are you looking through my window right now?

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Labour don't give a fuck.

BartholomewRoberts said:

numbertwelve said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

There are other things we should be doing to help the industry rather than keeping wages low.

Indeed.

But it's amusing how some people are perfectly OK with wages going up as long as it's the state determining that everyone's wages go up, with no regards to local market conditions.

While being utterly horrified at supply and demand and local market conditions meaning that wages might locally go up above minimum wage if that is what is required.

The minimum wage should be a floor, not a ceiling, to wages.

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Look on the brights side, if Starmer keeps going on loi
Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Labour don't give a fuck.

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

You're saying no it's not true that I don't go as much as I used to? Are you looking through my window right now?

I don't mean you, I mean among the public and that's going to lead to closures which you've said won't happen due to the minimum wage rise.

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Labour don't give a fuck.

Fewer drunks clogging up the arteries of the NHS. It's great lateral thinking.

TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

...

Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."

Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277

What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.

Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.

Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.

The question is what do these agitators want? What would they have liked to happen? Because I doubt that anything reasonable the police could have said or done would have sated their appetite.

Let’s been honest, given their and others’ messages during the riots. They would have liked the Police to name the murderer as a terrorist, to clearly state his race, to go easy on the rioters and those inciting violence online - perhaps just shrug it off as people blowing off steam. But that wouldn’t be enough. Nothing short of some sort of mass deportation would be enough, because what they want is - to echo some rhetoric that’s made its way on to this site in the last 24 hours - “not to see too many black or brown faces”. Yes, a poster actually wrote that last night, on here.

That’s the game Goodwin is playing. It’s also the pool Jenrick is dipping his toes into, whether out of ideology or cynicism. PB recently suggests to me that there’s a market for it even amongst people with, to channel another of this evening’s topics, decent A Levels.

AnneJGP said:

MaxPB said:

I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.

A bottle of my favourite tipple (Tio Pepe) lasts me around 20 years. Still some way to go, so no idea how much a bottle costs today.

Daveyboy1961 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Labour don't give a fuck.

Fewer drunks clogging up the arteries of the NHS. It's great lateral thinking.

I'd go further, I'd surcharge alcohol industries for the drunks who end up clogging A and E.
We have a pub at the end of our street and we have th regular Friday/Saturday procession of drunkards from 10pm till gone midnight.

darkage said:

The beneficiaries of the higher minimum wage will be private landlords who can probably whack on another 10% to the rent in areas of limited housing supply, to start to deal with all the new housing regulation in the private rented sector.

Omnium said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

Rachel Reevs replaces portrait of Nigel Lawson with community party founder.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/29/rachel-reeves-replaces-portrait-nigel-lawson-communist-uk/

Sad, Woke, Left-wing shit by juveniles playing at government.

Come along. Would you really want a snap of Nigel Lawson on your wall? I wouldn't even want a snap of Nigella Lawson, and she's considerably easier on the eye than her father.

AnneJGP said:

MaxPB said:

I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.

A bottle of my favourite tipple (Tio Pepe) lasts me around 20 years. Still some way to go, so no idea how much a bottle costs today.

MaxPB said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

eek said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

numbertwelve said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.

Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.

Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.

When did I say that then?

A while back when London restauranteurs were in the news for not being able to fill vacancies and saying more migrants were needed to fill them.

I said they should just let supply and demand sort the labour market and pay a higher wage. You said they couldn't afford to pay higher wages.

I said if they can't afford higher wages then the least productive firms should go out of business and the more productive ones would gain the customers of the other ones and be able to afford the higher wages. You said you were opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business.

I am opposed to the idea of pubs going out of business. The moves tomorrow are not going to put pubs out of business though.

Anyway, is everything alright on your side? We haven't crossed paths recently and I always used to see you post frequently.

I mean pubs will definitely go out of business in a wage/price spiral. Not enough people on the minimum wage go to pubs so there won't be much additional demand but prices will have to go up to pay for the increased rates. Booze in pubs has got very elastic demand.

Sadly going to the pub is so expensive that I don't go as much as I used to, despite earning significantly more. Corner shop is just so much cheaper.

No that's not true, the demand for pubs at £9 per pint will be noticeably lower than £7 per pint. Pubs are going to close and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

There are other things we should be doing to help the industry rather than keeping wages low.

Indeed.

But it's amusing how some people are perfectly OK with wages going up as long as it's the state determining that everyone's wages go up, with no regards to local market conditions.

While being utterly horrified at supply and demand and local market conditions meaning that wages might locally go up above minimum wage if that is what is required.

The minimum wage should be a floor, not a ceiling, to wages.

Without productivity improvements minimum wage does act as a ceiling as well as a floor.

It does mean that pubs will need to careful manage the hours they open but the biggest issue for most won't be the minimum wage it will be the fact their business rates (which have been discounted since 2021) will be reverting back to their historic levels if the 75% relief that ends in March isn't extended.

In a free market wage rises can lead to productivity rises.

If market conditions demand above minimum wage pay rates to fill vacancies but some firms can't afford the wage rise so go out of business, leading to consolidation of the market and customers from those firms now frequenting the surviving firms, then the surviving firms staff both have higher pay and are more productive (serving more customers per hour).

A rise led by diktat rather than market forces doesn't have the same productivity boost.

I think at current rates it may in fact have the opposite effect as wage growth elsewhere in a business are sacrificed to pay for the minimum wage rises. So what ends up happening is highly productive people either leave or become less motivated/productive to retain people on lower wages. What worries me is that Labour are simultaneously increasing business costs in wages, NI and supposedly NI on pension contributions as well as small business rates relief being on the chopping block. It's going to lead to a lot of upheaval if they do all four of those. Lots won't survive and unemployment will go up, probably by a fair amount.

RobD said:

TimS said:

noneoftheabove said:

Andy_JS said:

"@RobertJenrick

The public had a right to know the truth straight away.
I am seriously concerned that facts may have been withheld from the public.
Keir Starmer must urgently explain what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learned it."

https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1851294780304863449

Anyone who believes this is an idiot. The truth is not known straight away. It is good that the police take a bit of time and are cautious nowadays. Otherwise you get stuff like Hillsborough.

I don't think Jenrick cares about that sort of thing. He's trying to out-tweet Farage.

Only a few more days until he's consigned to the dustbin of history... hopefully.

JosiasJessop said:

Omnium said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

Rachel Reevs replaces portrait of Nigel Lawson with community party founder.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/29/rachel-reeves-replaces-portrait-nigel-lawson-communist-uk/

Sad, Woke, Left-wing shit by juveniles playing at government.

Come along. Would you really want a snap of Nigel Lawson on your wall? I wouldn't even want a snap of Nigella Lawson, and she's considerably easier on the eye than her father.

Ellen Wilkinson (who I believe the portrait is of), is a fascinating character who, as an early female MP and cabinet minister, achieved a heck of a lot. On that basis, she's a reasonable person for a female chancellor to have on her wall.

Despite her also being a communist...

Ratters said:

darkage said:

The beneficiaries of the higher minimum wage will be private landlords who can probably whack on another 10% to the rent in areas of limited housing supply, to start to deal with all the new housing regulation in the private rented sector.

So many of our society's problems arise from housing scarcity forcing costs to an absurdly high proportion of people's salaries.

A few ideas:

1. Huge liberalisation in planning approval process. Pre-approve large areas for construction to reduce the scarcity and value of planning permission being granted.

2. Tax breaks to incentivise the building of homes. Aim to bring in new competition to the area.

3. Tax property ownership properly, and potentially land value as well. That means a much higher annual tax as a % property value, combined with scrapping stamp duty that discourages mobility and downsizing.

We can't have a productive economy if so much of our income generated is paid away to rent seekers. People with enough money to be a landlord should be investing in companies, not in homes.

I exclude build to rent in the above categorisation as that's actually helping things.

moonshine said:

kjh said:

moonshine said:

“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”

Hmmm

Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.

What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?

kjh said:

moonshine said:

“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”

Hmmm

Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.

What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?

How about… you don’t respond to me and I don’t respond to you. Since I can’t figure out how to mute you on here.

moonshine said:

Ratters said:

I'm not sure if it's just where I live and work, but there's still absolutely loads of pubs everywhere.

There’s almost none around me. They’re mostly restaurants masquerading as pubs.

darkage said:

TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

...

Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."

Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277

What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.

Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.

Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.

The question is what do these agitators want? What would they have liked to happen? Because I doubt that anything reasonable the police could have said or done would have sated their appetite.

Let’s been honest, given their and others’ messages during the riots. They would have liked the Police to name the murderer as a terrorist, to clearly state his race, to go easy on the rioters and those inciting violence online - perhaps just shrug it off as people blowing off steam. But that wouldn’t be enough. Nothing short of some sort of mass deportation would be enough, because what they want is - to echo some rhetoric that’s made its way on to this site in the last 24 hours - “not to see too many black or brown faces”. Yes, a poster actually wrote that last night, on here.

That’s the game Goodwin is playing. It’s also the pool Jenrick is dipping his toes into, whether out of ideology or cynicism. PB recently suggests to me that there’s a market for it even amongst people with, to channel another of this evening’s topics, decent A Levels.

I think Goodwin is just acting from a sense of belief in what he is saying - he really believes that we need to leave the ECHR and the other parts of his agenda. However since quitting his academic role he is becoming more of a political actor himself and so has to start pleasing the crowd, and inevitably the quality of his output is going downhill.

Dopermean said:

Ratters said:

darkage said:

The beneficiaries of the higher minimum wage will be private landlords who can probably whack on another 10% to the rent in areas of limited housing supply, to start to deal with all the new housing regulation in the private rented sector.

So many of our society's problems arise from housing scarcity forcing costs to an absurdly high proportion of people's salaries.

A few ideas:

1. Huge liberalisation in planning approval process. Pre-approve large areas for construction to reduce the scarcity and value of planning permission being granted.

2. Tax breaks to incentivise the building of homes. Aim to bring in new competition to the area.

3. Tax property ownership properly, and potentially land value as well. That means a much higher annual tax as a % property value, combined with scrapping stamp duty that discourages mobility and downsizing.

We can't have a productive economy if so much of our income generated is paid away to rent seekers. People with enough money to be a landlord should be investing in companies, not in homes.

I exclude build to rent in the above categorisation as that's actually helping things.

The only entity that is going to build affordable housing is the state either directly or through housing associations.
There could also be a shake-up of property taxes to improve liquidity in the housing market, the disincentives to downsize don't help, unlikely to happen though.

boulay said:

kjh said:

moonshine said:

“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”

Hmmm

Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.

What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?

Are we sure Taylor Swift was threatened by a terrorist in Austria or someone with mental health issues? I guess our gov would know without doubt I suppose.

Stuartinromford said:

JosiasJessop said:

Omnium said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

Rachel Reevs replaces portrait of Nigel Lawson with community party founder.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/29/rachel-reeves-replaces-portrait-nigel-lawson-communist-uk/

Sad, Woke, Left-wing shit by juveniles playing at government.

Come along. Would you really want a snap of Nigel Lawson on your wall? I wouldn't even want a snap of Nigella Lawson, and she's considerably easier on the eye than her father.

Ellen Wilkinson (who I believe the portrait is of), is a fascinating character who, as an early female MP and cabinet minister, achieved a heck of a lot. On that basis, she's a reasonable person for a female chancellor to have on her wall.

Despite her also being a communist...

Served in Churchill's wartime government as well.

Allowing right wingers to make themselves look silly by criticising her is just a bonus.

turbotubbs said:

bondegezou said:

MoonRabbit said:

spudgfsh said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism

I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house

I suspect she found out quite late on. even with high profile cases like this there'd be little to no communication with the home secretary about operational matters.

Seriously? It’s not just this week the rice in the Tupperware and a manual was found is it? These were found hours after the attack.

I’m with Big G on this one. Urgent Ricingate questions for Cooper to answer, what did she know and when.

Do you know when they were found? What's your source?

The manual could have been encrypted and significant time taken to decrypt etc. The ricin would have needed samples taken and testing. We don't know when the first inklings were that maybe it was terror related.

kle4 said:

Ratters said:

I'm not sure if it's just where I live and work, but there's still absolutely loads of pubs everywhere.

All my life I've heard they're closing in large numbers. I'm sure it's true, but there's still loads, there were clearly way more than needed, even if trends meant they were more used before.