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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,212
    edited August 22
    Taz said:

    We’re travelling to Pwllheli from Durham tomorrow. Be an interesting journey once we get into Wales. Or maybe not.

    It literally bounces around between 60, 40, 30 and 20 - not always in any logical progression and not always for more than a few tens of metres - along that Pwllheli road. Enjoy. Try not to come back with 6 penalty points....

    Beautiful though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Well definitely no Bazball or any sort of ball now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,238
    edited August 22

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why do the folk who get wound up about the singular “they” never notice its more objectionable political usage ?
    https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1826334089546531308

    They're idiots?

    :)
    See also Vance’s recent repetition of “they” tried to assassinate President Trump.
    There was a lot of “would somebody rid me of this troublesome populist” from senior figures.
    There you go, trying to justify that crap.
    The claim that “they tried to assassinate Donald Trump” - which he made in a speech this week - is simply a lie, and it risks inciting further violence.
    There's been more than one assassination attempt against him and the rhetoric of many people verged into 'stochastic terrorism' territory.
    I never understand why many anti-Trumpsters try to deny the logic here.

    If you are equating the man to Hitler - as many did - and saying it would be a catastrophe if he was re-elected, why would there NOT be an assassination attempt made against him? You’ve essentially said the man is pure evil and - implied at the very least and more often stated outright - he needs to be stopped at all costs. Assassination is only the most radical of those options.
    Perhaps because you’re a fool who doesn’t understand the opposition to him ?
    You only defeat such a danger to democracy at the ballot box. Or if he’s a criminal, through the courts.

    Do you really need reminding that there’s only one party which celebrates those who take the law into their own hands with a gun.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,464
    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    Especially since over 90% of the article is about his career(s) and next to bugger all about what he is supposed to have done/said.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,512
    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    At least two posters reported it on here within minutes of it breaking, which is typically a sign of a top news item. So for some, yes it is.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 684

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    We’re travelling to Pwllheli from Durham tomorrow. Be an interesting journey once we get into Wales. Or maybe not.

    If you are travelling down the A55 towards Bangor and Caernarfon it is likely to be very busy as it is the last holiday weekend of the year
    Thanks Big G, I was more worried about the M62 but I’m resigned to a shit journey and currently wishing we’d never booked this 😂😂
    North Wales is hugely arrractive to many and the A55 is the main road into and down to the Llyn Peninsula and Anglesey which becomes notoriously busy on fridays before Bank Holidays

    Leave early and hopefully it will be OK

    But most of all, enjoy our wonderful North Wales

    A friend has just had a break in Llandudno. She was impressed that the beach cafe served both Horlicks and Bovril.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,369
    edited August 22

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Eabhal

    So, today I drove through Llangollen, Glyndyfrdwy and Corwen. These are villages on the A5, quite congested, slow - actually, you wouldn't be going much faster than 20mph through them anyway.

    All three were switched from 30mph to 20mph in September last year. I have confirmed that.

    Only Glyndyfrdwy is marked as a change on your map.

    So it is incomplete, and you should not rely on it.

    This need not be a conspiracy. As I said, the civil servants in Cardiff are thick and know very little about Wales outwith the Valleys.

    But - before you make statements about the small number of places affected, please be aware your data set is flawed.

    Have you raised a complaint with the Welsh Government then? Because until it's challenged and changed, it remains the evidence on which we have to rely.

    It might be to do with inconsistent reporting by councils too, if you have a scan through the notes. It remains the case that there are hundreds of exceptions detailed on the map.
    I really cannot understand why you just seem to ignore the fact that those living in Wales and using the roads, the politicians from all parties, and the Welsh government itself has concluded it was badly implemented and will change from next month

    Talk about flogging a dead horse and frankly it is becoming boring
    Chill out one-gear Glyndwr. For every political obsessive there is an equal and opposite.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,302

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    The BBC loves nothing more than a story about the BBC.
    Top story on the Mail online too. Are they obsessed with the BBC?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Andy_JS said:

    "Michelin star restaurant turns prices back 30 years

    One of London's most lauded Michelin star restaurants is turning the clock back on its prices by 30 years next month.

    The nose-to-tail cooking specialists at St John, in Smithfield, will charge diners what they would have paid when the eatery first opened its doors in 1994.

    Celebrating its 30th anniversary, St John will offer the same dishes it served up in the mid-90s for as little as £3.50 (Welsh rarebit, if you were wondering).

    Roast bone marrow and parsley salad will set you back just £4.20, while pheasant and trotter pie comes in at a very reasonable £18 between 9 and 27 September.

    The Michelin Guide describes the restaurant as creating a "joyful experience" with "very little ceremony".

    "As one of the foremost proponents of nose-to-tail cooking, this is the place to try new things," it reads.

    The restaurant puts seasonality "at its core", said the guide, which recommends ordering the warm madeleines for the journey home."

    https://news.sky.com/story/money-news-latest-consumer-skynews-blog-13040934

    Fair play to them, that’s a very good idea. Suspect it was totally sold out within an hour or two of the announcement though! (And the drinks will be very much 2024 high-end restaurant prices).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited August 22

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    The BBC loves nothing more than a story about the BBC.
    Top story on the Mail online too. Are they obsessed with the BBC?
    Yes.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658

    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Well definitely no Bazball or any sort of ball now.
    Yes, these late finishes were ok a month ago but without the sun it gets darker a lot earlier now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited August 22
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Well definitely no Bazball or any sort of ball now.
    Yes, these late finishes were ok a month ago but without the sun it gets darker a lot earlier now.
    I don't understand why they can't go to 10.30am start.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Democrats have a whole roster of talented public speakers, but Buttigieg is the master of the media interview, both hostile and, like here, friendly.

    “It’s the simple fact that they wrote down their own policies..”
    https://x.com/chyeaok/status/1826629024237678801

    His speech yesterday was once again outstanding. He has a powerful future.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/22/2264958/-Pete-Buttigieg-delivers-rhetorical-genius-once-again-at-DNC-2024?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web
    Very good at speeches and interviews, but somewhere between crap and sh!t at his current day-job running transport.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Democrats have a whole roster of talented public speakers, but Buttigieg is the master of the media interview, both hostile and, like here, friendly.

    “It’s the simple fact that they wrote down their own policies..”
    https://x.com/chyeaok/status/1826629024237678801

    His speech yesterday was once again outstanding. He has a powerful future.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/22/2264958/-Pete-Buttigieg-delivers-rhetorical-genius-once-again-at-DNC-2024?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web
    Very good at speeches and interviews, but somewhere between crap and sh!t at his current day-job running transport.
    e.g. $80bn rural broadband scheme has been an absolute disaster.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Democrats have a whole roster of talented public speakers, but Buttigieg is the master of the media interview, both hostile and, like here, friendly.

    “It’s the simple fact that they wrote down their own policies..”
    https://x.com/chyeaok/status/1826629024237678801

    His speech yesterday was once again outstanding. He has a powerful future.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/22/2264958/-Pete-Buttigieg-delivers-rhetorical-genius-once-again-at-DNC-2024?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web
    Very good at speeches and interviews, but somewhere between crap and sh!t at his current day-job running transport.
    e.g. $80bn rural broadband scheme has been an absolute disaster.
    And his ignoring for weeks of the East Palestine train crash, that has ended up leaving the area with a serious amount of contaminated land and sick people.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Michelin star restaurant turns prices back 30 years

    One of London's most lauded Michelin star restaurants is turning the clock back on its prices by 30 years next month.

    The nose-to-tail cooking specialists at St John, in Smithfield, will charge diners what they would have paid when the eatery first opened its doors in 1994.

    Celebrating its 30th anniversary, St John will offer the same dishes it served up in the mid-90s for as little as £3.50 (Welsh rarebit, if you were wondering).

    Roast bone marrow and parsley salad will set you back just £4.20, while pheasant and trotter pie comes in at a very reasonable £18 between 9 and 27 September.

    The Michelin Guide describes the restaurant as creating a "joyful experience" with "very little ceremony".

    "As one of the foremost proponents of nose-to-tail cooking, this is the place to try new things," it reads.

    The restaurant puts seasonality "at its core", said the guide, which recommends ordering the warm madeleines for the journey home."

    https://news.sky.com/story/money-news-latest-consumer-skynews-blog-13040934

    Fair play to them, that’s a very good idea. Suspect it was totally sold out within an hour or two of the announcement though! (And the drinks will be very much 2024 high-end restaurant prices).
    Minutes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/aug/22/london-restaurant-st-john-offers-its-nose-to-tail-food-at-1994-prices
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,166
    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    BBC 'talent'? Of course.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Play abandoned for the day at Old Trafford, with the umbrellas up.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,600
    edited August 22
    Only one Electoral College vote but still pretty notable:

    Maine District 2:

    2024 UNH poll: Harris 52, Trump 47

    2020 Result: Trump 52, Biden 45

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Michelin star restaurant turns prices back 30 years

    One of London's most lauded Michelin star restaurants is turning the clock back on its prices by 30 years next month.

    The nose-to-tail cooking specialists at St John, in Smithfield, will charge diners what they would have paid when the eatery first opened its doors in 1994.

    Celebrating its 30th anniversary, St John will offer the same dishes it served up in the mid-90s for as little as £3.50 (Welsh rarebit, if you were wondering).

    Roast bone marrow and parsley salad will set you back just £4.20, while pheasant and trotter pie comes in at a very reasonable £18 between 9 and 27 September.

    The Michelin Guide describes the restaurant as creating a "joyful experience" with "very little ceremony".

    "As one of the foremost proponents of nose-to-tail cooking, this is the place to try new things," it reads.

    The restaurant puts seasonality "at its core", said the guide, which recommends ordering the warm madeleines for the journey home."

    https://news.sky.com/story/money-news-latest-consumer-skynews-blog-13040934

    Fair play to them, that’s a very good idea. Suspect it was totally sold out within an hour or two of the announcement though! (And the drinks will be very much 2024 high-end restaurant prices).
    Worked round the corner for 5 years and never went. Should do.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,015
    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Real cricket.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,191
    edited August 22

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    No but the fact people feel strongly about things like this is an interesting facet of democracy. Very few people get similarly engaged in, for example, health policy, industrial policy ....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,319

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    :D
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,834

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Well definitely no Bazball or any sort of ball now.
    Yes, these late finishes were ok a month ago but without the sun it gets darker a lot earlier now.
    I don't understand why they can't go to 10.30am start.
    morning dew?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,757
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    Who or what is Jenas, what has s/he done and should I care?
    Been a bit of a Hugh by all accounts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,003
    edited August 22
    ...

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    The BBC loves nothing more than a story about the BBC.
    Not when it's Huw Edwards, until their hand was forced, and of course the Newsnight expose on Savile was canned.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 405

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    The BBC loves nothing more than a story about the BBC.
    Top story on the Mail online too. Are they obsessed with the BBC?
    BBC is obsessed with the Mail more like
    Is this a "sacking" or was his contract just not renewed?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,014
    FF43 said:

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    No but the fact people feel strongly about things like this is an interesting facet of democracy. Very few people get similarly engaged in, for example, health policy, industrial policy ....
    Suspect part of the answer is to do with the number of layers between the policy and the voter. If you want to drive down a road faster, or are blocked from going down it at all, it's very visible and personal.

    Health policy doesn't affect most of us, most of the time, because we're generally healthy. Industrial policy affects us in terms of making us richer or poorer, but with several layers of indirectness, so we don't notice it.

    See the abortion debate in the US. The mistake anti-abortion people made was to get their policy ambition to the point where it did affect people's lives directly, and hey presto there's massive enormous pushback.

    (That might affect how the Wales 20mph policy review plays out. Political nature being what it is, the most likely response is "faster roads please, except for the ones within walking distance of me".)
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 961
    MikeL said:

    Only one Electoral College vote but still pretty notable:

    Maine District 2:

    2024 UNH poll: Harris 52, Trump 47

    2020 Result: Trump 52, Biden 45

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

    Polling has a bad track record in the rural district. It's unlikely to be right this time
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,015
    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,015

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Typical, I finish my work for the day and England decide to have a work to rule with not more than 2 runs an over.

    Bazball this ain't.

    Well definitely no Bazball or any sort of ball now.
    Yes, these late finishes were ok a month ago but without the sun it gets darker a lot earlier now.
    I don't understand why they can't go to 10.30am start.
    They always used to say dew was a problem.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,512
    edited August 22
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,369
    FF43 said:

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    No but the fact people feel strongly about things like this is an interesting facet of democracy. Very few people get similarly engaged in, for example, health policy, industrial policy ....
    True. But stuff like this does matter to people.

    My next big campaign is against the millions of cables that hang off the front of tenements in Scotland. They are ugly, damage the masonry and rattle off the windows in the wind. Only about 20% are actually doing anything and utility companies have no obligation to remove or tidy them up, so the street ends up looking like a third world country.

    This plus street scars (where they tear up the setts/paving stones and replace with tarmac) make telecoms companies worse than the water companies in my eyes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,463

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    Is the enthusiasm gap enough to overcome the lower propensity of the young and ethnic to vote?

    I think the abortion plebiscites will boost turnout with those demographics, it has in the past.
    Is there a cross-check of which swing states have an abortion vote as well this November anywhere?
    https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/dashboard/ballot-tracker-status-of-abortion-related-state-constitutional-amendment-measures/
    Ta. So the states confirmed (and current poll averages from 270towin if I've read it correctly) are:
    Arizona (Harris +1.4)
    Arkansas (safe Trump)
    Colorado (likely Harris)
    Florida (Trump +5)
    Maryland (safe Harris)
    Missouri (safe Trump)
    Montana (Trump +15)
    Nebraska (safe Trump, NE2 likely Harris)
    Nevada (Trump +0.4)
    New York (Harris +14)
    South Dakota (safe Trump)

    Looking at those, Biden won Arizona and Nevada last time. Florida would be a helluva gain for Harris, but a five point lead looks like a lot to be closed by differential enthusiasm.
    The interesting one there is New York which Biden won by 23%.

    A 4.5% swing to Trump in New York would follow the swing to the GOP there in the mid terms and would be big enough to have an effect on the national popular vote without, of course, any effect on the electoral votes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,102

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    We’re travelling to Pwllheli from Durham tomorrow. Be an interesting journey once we get into Wales. Or maybe not.

    If you are travelling down the A55 towards Bangor and Caernarfon it is likely to be very busy as it is the last holiday weekend of the year
    Thanks Big G, I was more worried about the M62 but I’m resigned to a shit journey and currently wishing we’d never booked this 😂😂
    North Wales is hugely arrractive to many and the A55 is the main road into and down to the Llyn Peninsula and Anglesey which becomes notoriously busy on fridays before Bank Holidays

    Leave early and hopefully it will be OK

    But most of all, enjoy our wonderful North Wales

    Thank you. Portmeirion on Saturday (Prisoner and Dr Who), Caernarfon Castle on Sunday.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,146
    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)
  • eekeek Posts: 27,951
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    We’re travelling to Pwllheli from Durham tomorrow. Be an interesting journey once we get into Wales. Or maybe not.

    If you are travelling down the A55 towards Bangor and Caernarfon it is likely to be very busy as it is the last holiday weekend of the year
    Thanks Big G, I was more worried about the M62 but I’m resigned to a shit journey and currently wishing we’d never booked this 😂😂
    North Wales is hugely arrractive to many and the A55 is the main road into and down to the Llyn Peninsula and Anglesey which becomes notoriously busy on fridays before Bank Holidays

    Leave early and hopefully it will be OK

    But most of all, enjoy our wonderful North Wales

    Thank you. Portmeirion on Saturday (Prisoner and Dr Who), Caernarfon Castle on Sunday.
    Good luck we went to Llandudno last weekend and it took us 5 hours to get there - now most of the problem was various issues earlier on ( A1M accident, A66 blocked, traffic round Manchester/ Warrington) but the A55 was slow for no reason I could identify..

    Will add for BigG that the Magic Bar Live does a rather fun table magic show on a Friday night...
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,895

    On the topic:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    In conclusion, therefore, and bearing in mind that Trump is preferred on the economy, I would say Harris is currently heading for defeat

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1826617853308797141

    But in October 2020 Trump was preferred to Biden on the economy in plenty of polls.
    I think his point is about 'quiet' Trumpsters who are hard to poll. She needs to have a higher margin.

    But maybe she will after this week.

    The DNC have a new attack ad out based on the Insurrection.
    'Quiet' Trumpsters?
    Have you seen them?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    2h
    Trump is not going to like it.

    Chris Wallace: “More than 20 million people watched. And by comparison, 14 million plus watched the Republican Convention on the second night. So, people are watching this convention…”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1826651676205613533
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176

    On the topic:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    In conclusion, therefore, and bearing in mind that Trump is preferred on the economy, I would say Harris is currently heading for defeat

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1826617853308797141

    But in October 2020 Trump was preferred to Biden on the economy in plenty of polls.
    I think his point is about 'quiet' Trumpsters who are hard to poll. She needs to have a higher margin.

    But maybe she will after this week.

    The DNC have a new attack ad out based on the Insurrection.
    'Quiet' Trumpsters?
    Have you seen them?
    LOL.

    Perhaps the wrong word.

    They wont respond to poll companies believing they are part of the fake news industry as they have been brainwashed by the Cult.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    Eabhal said:

    FF43 said:

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    No but the fact people feel strongly about things like this is an interesting facet of democracy. Very few people get similarly engaged in, for example, health policy, industrial policy ....
    True. But stuff like this does matter to people.

    My next big campaign is against the millions of cables that hang off the front of tenements in Scotland. They are ugly, damage the masonry and rattle off the windows in the wind. Only about 20% are actually doing anything and utility companies have no obligation to remove or tidy them up, so the street ends up looking like a third world country.

    This plus street scars (where they tear up the setts/paving stones and replace with tarmac) make telecoms companies worse than the water companies in my eyes.
    Why on earth do they have no obligation to tidy up when they presumably have fitted new ones?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1826642700785123490

    Allegedly full of fuel tankers, which seems somewhat obvious from the pictures.

    Just the bridge to go.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,302

    On the topic:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    In conclusion, therefore, and bearing in mind that Trump is preferred on the economy, I would say Harris is currently heading for defeat

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1826617853308797141

    But in October 2020 Trump was preferred to Biden on the economy in plenty of polls.
    I think his point is about 'quiet' Trumpsters who are hard to poll. She needs to have a higher margin.

    But maybe she will after this week.

    The DNC have a new attack ad out based on the Insurrection.
    'Quiet' Trumpsters?
    Have you seen them?
    LOL.

    Perhaps the wrong word.

    They wont respond to poll companies believing they are part of the fake news industry as they have been brainwashed by the Cult.
    Banned word!
    Oh sorry, you said Cult.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,212
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    We’re travelling to Pwllheli from Durham tomorrow. Be an interesting journey once we get into Wales. Or maybe not.

    If you are travelling down the A55 towards Bangor and Caernarfon it is likely to be very busy as it is the last holiday weekend of the year
    Thanks Big G, I was more worried about the M62 but I’m resigned to a shit journey and currently wishing we’d never booked this 😂😂
    North Wales is hugely arrractive to many and the A55 is the main road into and down to the Llyn Peninsula and Anglesey which becomes notoriously busy on fridays before Bank Holidays

    Leave early and hopefully it will be OK

    But most of all, enjoy our wonderful North Wales

    Thank you. Portmeirion on Saturday (Prisoner and Dr Who), Caernarfon Castle on Sunday.
    Can recommend the hotel for a meal at Portmeirion. Probably need to book.

    Or just lots of ice cream, if you prefer.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why do the folk who get wound up about the singular “they” never notice its more objectionable political usage ?
    https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1826334089546531308

    They're idiots?

    :)
    See also Vance’s recent repetition of “they” tried to assassinate President Trump.
    There was a lot of “would somebody rid me of this troublesome populist” from senior figures.
    There you go, trying to justify that crap.
    The claim that “they tried to assassinate Donald Trump” - which he made in a speech this week - is simply a lie, and it risks inciting further violence.
    There's been more than one assassination attempt against him and the rhetoric of many people verged into 'stochastic terrorism' territory.
    I never understand why many anti-Trumpsters try to deny the logic here.

    If you are equating the man to Hitler - as many did - and saying it would be a catastrophe if he was re-elected, why would there NOT be an assassination attempt made against him? You’ve essentially said the man is pure evil and - implied at the very least and more often stated outright - he needs to be stopped at all costs. Assassination is only the most radical of those options.
    Perhaps because you’re a fool who doesn’t understand the opposition to him ?
    You only defeat such a danger to democracy at the ballot box. Or if he’s a criminal, through the courts.

    Do you really need reminding that there’s only one party which celebrates those who take the law into their own hands with a gun.
    The Hitler argument is incoherent anyway. Would it have been justifiable to assassinate him in 1935? Bear in mind that Yes with the benefit of hindsight is not a permitted answer, because precogs aside nobody has ever done anything with the benefit of hindsight. So the answer was probably no, defeat him at the ballot box.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,877

    On the topic:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    In conclusion, therefore, and bearing in mind that Trump is preferred on the economy, I would say Harris is currently heading for defeat

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1826617853308797141

    But in October 2020 Trump was preferred to Biden on the economy in plenty of polls.
    But but but...

    The evidence is the evidence.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,877

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
    The point that it's self-referential is an entirely valid one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,877

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    Or, our weapons work.

    Ukraine is the biggest testing ground for NATO kit ever.

    When it's deployed in scale the Russians have no answer.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,512

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
    The point that it's self-referential is an entirely valid one.
    When its peers are leading with the story, and the BBC are not leading with the story, it is entirely valid to complain about the BBC liking to lead with BBC trivia? Of course.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,184
    edited August 22
    mercator said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why do the folk who get wound up about the singular “they” never notice its more objectionable political usage ?
    https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1826334089546531308

    They're idiots?

    :)
    See also Vance’s recent repetition of “they” tried to assassinate President Trump.
    There was a lot of “would somebody rid me of this troublesome populist” from senior figures.
    There you go, trying to justify that crap.
    The claim that “they tried to assassinate Donald Trump” - which he made in a speech this week - is simply a lie, and it risks inciting further violence.
    There's been more than one assassination attempt against him and the rhetoric of many people verged into 'stochastic terrorism' territory.
    I never understand why many anti-Trumpsters try to deny the logic here.

    If you are equating the man to Hitler - as many did - and saying it would be a catastrophe if he was re-elected, why would there NOT be an assassination attempt made against him? You’ve essentially said the man is pure evil and - implied at the very least and more often stated outright - he needs to be stopped at all costs. Assassination is only the most radical of those options.
    Perhaps because you’re a fool who doesn’t understand the opposition to him ?
    You only defeat such a danger to democracy at the ballot box. Or if he’s a criminal, through the courts.

    Do you really need reminding that there’s only one party which celebrates those who take the law into their own hands with a gun.
    The Hitler argument is incoherent anyway. Would it have been justifiable to assassinate him in 1935? Bear in mind that Yes with the benefit of hindsight is not a permitted answer, because precogs aside nobody has ever done anything with the benefit of hindsight. So the answer was probably no, defeat him at the ballot box.
    However now we have the lessons of history available to us, and we endlessly see people arguing that 'this is how it starts'.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,153
    I could care less about Jenas and frankly enough already about the super yacht !

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,170
    nico679 said:

    I could care less about Jenas and frankly enough already about the super yacht !

    You could care less - so how much do you care then?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    nico679 said:

    I could care less about Jenas and frankly enough already about the super yacht !

    I couldn’t care less.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658
    On a more interesting point it is worth having a look at this chart from RCP of the 5 way voting:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

    The last time that there was a poll that had Trump in the lead that wasn't Rasmussen was the Harvard Harris poll on the 26th to 28th July. All of the polls since then with Trump in the lead have been Rasmussen and those polls are why the "average" lead is so much less than all the recent polls by everyone else.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,238
    .

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
    The point that it's self-referential is an entirely valid one.
    When its peers are leading with the story, and the BBC are not leading with the story, it is entirely valid to complain about the BBC liking to lead with BBC trivia? Of course.
    It’s not the lead on the BBC homepage - but it’s currently the most read story.
    Is he something to do with football ? Then it’s news in this country,

    I could care less… though it would be a serious effort.

    But I’m pretty sure if they hadn’t given it a certain amount of prominence, some people would be complaining about a coverup,
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,588

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    Or, our weapons work.

    Ukraine is the biggest testing ground for NATO kit ever.

    When it's deployed in scale the Russians have no answer.
    Your pun detector seems faulty though :wink:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,715
    edited August 22

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    It seems they Mayfair no better in Kursk either.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,509
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
    The point that it's self-referential is an entirely valid one.
    When its peers are leading with the story, and the BBC are not leading with the story, it is entirely valid to complain about the BBC liking to lead with BBC trivia? Of course.
    It’s not the lead on the BBC homepage - but it’s currently the most read story.
    Is he something to do with football ? Then it’s news in this country,

    I could care less… though it would be a serious effort.

    But I’m pretty sure if they hadn’t given it a certain amount of prominence, some people would be complaining about a coverup,
    The original point is true though. The BBC does generally give a LOT of airtime to stories about itself, whether positive or negative.
    Hard to see what the substance of this one is, yet.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,588

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    It seems they Mayfair no better in Kursk either.
    Next there will be a smoking Embassy
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,560
    edited August 22
    Sandpit said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1826642700785123490

    Allegedly full of fuel tankers, which seems somewhat obvious from the pictures.

    Just the bridge to go.
    A bridge which will now have to carry fuel tankers again?

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,509

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    Who or what is Jenas, what has s/he done and should I care?
    Been a bit of a Hugh by all accounts.
    Which Hugh are we talking about here?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190

    Sandpit said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1826642700785123490

    Allegedly full of fuel tankers, which seems somewhat obvious from the pictures.

    Just the bridge to go.
    A bridge which will now have to carry fuel tankers again?

    What could possibly go wrong?
    ATACMS says hi 💣
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,670
    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quite often the BBC has main stories about people I've never heard of, like this football presenter.

    The BBC likes nothing more than leading the news with a story about the BBC.
    Its the lead story in the Mail and Sun.

    BBC aren't leading with it, but it is their most read story, which is probably an indication of whether people are interested or not.

    But hey, lets just have a cheap pop at the beeb.
    The point that it's self-referential is an entirely valid one.
    When its peers are leading with the story, and the BBC are not leading with the story, it is entirely valid to complain about the BBC liking to lead with BBC trivia? Of course.
    It’s not the lead on the BBC homepage - but it’s currently the most read story.
    Is he something to do with football ? Then it’s news in this country,

    I could care less… though it would be a serious effort.

    But I’m pretty sure if they hadn’t given it a certain amount of prominence, some people would be complaining about a coverup,
    The original point is true though. The BBC does generally give a LOT of airtime to stories about itself, whether positive or negative.
    Hard to see what the substance of this one is, yet.
    The number of "Must watch this Season!" puff-pieces they do about their own shows is getting a bit much. Also 'investigative' pieces about old crimes which then - surprise! - turn out to be a forthcoming dramatisation on one of their channels.

    I pay my license fee more in faint hope than anything these days. I don't think I've watched any BBC TV output so far this year. Radio-wise just PM and BH on radio 4.

    It's really a struggle to keep my intrinsic 'pro BBC' bias going.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Oh this is funny.

    Crowdstrike hits out at their competitors for their commentary on the CS outage on 19th July.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/08/crowdstrike-unhappy-with-shady-commentary-from-competitors-after-outage/

    Well Crowdstrike can f*** off, and then f*** off some more. Some of us didn’t even get the offer of the $10 gift voucher.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,239
    Selebian said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    It seems they Mayfair no better in Kursk either.
    Next there will be a smoking Embassy
    The Senior Service having all been smoked already
  • Foxy said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    The Ukranians are certainly Players.
    While the Russians have had their silk cut down to length.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,014
    Foxy said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    The Ukranians are certainly Players.
    How many Russians will be Strand-ed?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,037
    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Jenas sacking top story on BBC news. Is it really a top news item?

    Who or what is Jenas, what has s/he done and should I care?
    Been a bit of a Hugh by all accounts.
    Which Hugh are we talking about here?
    If people could stop referring to Huw Edwards just by his first name, it would save me a hell of lot of confusion and grief.

    (Did you ever doubt that Y Doethur ('the Doctor') was a pun?)
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,535
    Looking at the details of the poll a higher turnout would favour Trump.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,003
    edited August 22
    Pro_Rata said:

    Selebian said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    It seems they Mayfair no better in Kursk either.
    Next there will be a smoking Embassy
    The Senior Service having all been smoked already
    With all these defence budget issues that might mean the Navy, Cut.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Oohhh, this could be fun!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,289

    Pro_Rata said:

    Selebian said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    It seems they Mayfair no better in Kursk either.
    Next there will be a smoking Embassy
    The Senior Service having all been smoked already
    With all these defence budget issues that might mean the Navy, Cut.
    Need to add some Weights to this thread.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,371
    edited August 22

    Foxy said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    The Ukranians are certainly Players.
    How many Russians will be Strand-ed?
    Woodbine oculares help to see the damage?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Oohhh, this could be fun!
    Zelensky announced as the new president and the SMO to unify the two countries declared a full success.
    Like it!

    Amazingly, it now appears that the Russian army has nothing left to give, we’re now 18 days into the Ukranian invasion of Russia and there’s nothing coming to rescue them bar conscripts waving white flags.
  • Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Oohhh, this could be fun!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rKC7ElkTUQ
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,117
    It says Part of the Atlantic. Important to be factual.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,212
    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Putin's neck as he falls out a window...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,037
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    The Ukranians are certainly Players.
    How many Russians will be Strand-ed?
    Woodbine oculares help to see the damage?
    His position is in defensterble.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,566

    Those f*cking smokers in fuc*ing Russia have f*cking well fuc*ing done it again!

    Russian train ferry across the Kerch Straait is well and truly f*cked. Apparently this is the only large train ferry on the route.

    https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1826667183780544977

    (The f*cks are a homage to the Russian who described a Ukrainian attack on an airfield last night.)

    A lucky strike?
    Or, our weapons work.

    Ukraine is the biggest testing ground for NATO kit ever.

    When it's deployed in scale the Russians have no answer.
    Technically, it's a testing ground for largely obsolete NATO kit.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,591

    Eabhal said:

    FF43 said:

    Should I feel guilty that I don't give a flying fuck about speed limits on Welsh roads?

    No but the fact people feel strongly about things like this is an interesting facet of democracy. Very few people get similarly engaged in, for example, health policy, industrial policy ....
    True. But stuff like this does matter to people.

    My next big campaign is against the millions of cables that hang off the front of tenements in Scotland. They are ugly, damage the masonry and rattle off the windows in the wind. Only about 20% are actually doing anything and utility companies have no obligation to remove or tidy them up, so the street ends up looking like a third world country.

    This plus street scars (where they tear up the setts/paving stones and replace with tarmac) make telecoms companies worse than the water companies in my eyes.
    Why on earth do they have no obligation to tidy up when they presumably have fitted new ones?
    In practice they don't in England either. The obligation is to restore the surface (it couldn't really be anything else, could it) but once the Wild West had been created starting with Mrs Thatcher's day, there was no capacity for regulation so we now have a version of chaos.

    Of course there is no coordination, so it is normal for brand new high quality surfaces to be wrecked by Rush, Bodge and Carapulator who come along to install something soon after the project has finished.

    There are several roads in my town where I have cycle in the middle of the lane for tens or hundreds of metres because the line I would like to follow is either sunken enough due to the installation of pipes / cables which have not been made sufficiently good to be dangerous, or are bumpy because there are sunken surfaces of refilled holes every few metres created looking for a gas or water leak.

    It's a shit rules, planning, capacity of LHAs to manage, and couldn't give a damn by the contractors issue.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,037
    Have we suddenly discovered that @TSE is behind the Darth Putin channel?

    The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.

    https://x.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1826612181057876248
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,037
    Dave Allen trending on Twitter for some reason.

    At least it means we get to see some of his gags.
  • On topic - the Dems are running a very smart campaign but at the end of the day their biggest plus is one Donald Trump. He just cannot help himself. They push his buttons and he does just what they need him to.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,321
    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Isn't @TSE on holiday?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,656
    I think "The Day After Tomorrow" had some thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hECiEfcVZBc
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176

    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Putin's neck as he falls out a window...
    Or tactical battlefield nuke time?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Some quite wild rumours coming over the border from Russia in Tallinn tonight. Emergency meetings, plots and counter plots. The Rouble seems to have gone over the edge and even Elvira Nabiullina seems unable to bring it back, basically the government has run out of cash. Putin is AWOL and despite his doubles making an appearance, the real thing, when he has appeared, seems like a rabbit in the headlights. Big decisions seem to be in train, but neither the army nor the FSB seems in control of events, even while they are at daggers drawn with each other.

    Rumours are swirling about trouble in Belarus as the regime there is cracking down still further on dissent.

    August is a dangerous time in Russian history, it feels like something might be about to break.

    Oohhh, this could be fun!
    Zelensky announced as the new president and the SMO to unify the two countries declared a full success.
    Like it!

    Amazingly, it now appears that the Russian army has nothing left to give, we’re now 18 days into the Ukranian invasion of Russia and there’s nothing coming to rescue them bar conscripts waving white flags.
    Be bloody funny if Putin falls before his mate Trump can get his hands on the oval office desk again and bail him out.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,591
    edited August 22
    mercator said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why do the folk who get wound up about the singular “they” never notice its more objectionable political usage ?
    https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1826334089546531308

    They're idiots?

    :)
    See also Vance’s recent repetition of “they” tried to assassinate President Trump.
    There was a lot of “would somebody rid me of this troublesome populist” from senior figures.
    There you go, trying to justify that crap.
    The claim that “they tried to assassinate Donald Trump” - which he made in a speech this week - is simply a lie, and it risks inciting further violence.
    There's been more than one assassination attempt against him and the rhetoric of many people verged into 'stochastic terrorism' territory.
    I never understand why many anti-Trumpsters try to deny the logic here.

    If you are equating the man to Hitler - as many did - and saying it would be a catastrophe if he was re-elected, why would there NOT be an assassination attempt made against him? You’ve essentially said the man is pure evil and - implied at the very least and more often stated outright - he needs to be stopped at all costs. Assassination is only the most radical of those options.
    Perhaps because you’re a fool who doesn’t understand the opposition to him ?
    You only defeat such a danger to democracy at the ballot box. Or if he’s a criminal, through the courts.

    Do you really need reminding that there’s only one party which celebrates those who take the law into their own hands with a gun.
    The Hitler argument is incoherent anyway. Would it have been justifiable to assassinate him in 1935? Bear in mind that Yes with the benefit of hindsight is not a permitted answer, because precogs aside nobody has ever done anything with the benefit of hindsight. So the answer was probably no, defeat him at the ballot box.
    An offer was also made in spring 1939 by Lieutenant General Sir Frank Noel Mason-MacFarlane, who was Liltary Attache at the British Embassy in Berlin. He was turned down by Lord Halifax.

    Mason-MacFarlane proposed the assassination of Adolf Hitler, an offer turned down by his superiors. The Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax said of Mason-MacFarlane's plan to assassinate Hitler while he was on a stand reviewing the Wehrmacht for his 50th birthday celebrations on 20 April 1939: "We have not reached that stage … when we have to use assassination as a substitute for diplomacy."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Mason-MacFarlane

    An interesting man - he was Governor of Gibralter in WW2.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    DavidL said:

    On a more interesting point it is worth having a look at this chart from RCP of the 5 way voting:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

    The last time that there was a poll that had Trump in the lead that wasn't Rasmussen was the Harvard Harris poll on the 26th to 28th July. All of the polls since then with Trump in the lead have been Rasmussen and those polls are why the "average" lead is so much less than all the recent polls by everyone else.

    Yeh, but we have to abandon five way voting surveys now as Kennedy is dropping out tomorrow in exchange for being Trump's vaccine Czar.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    More 'going for growth' news from Reeves:


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