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How the Tories may deal with two massive elections at the same time and a budget

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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Mpox: UK preparing after virus declared global emergency - as Sweden records first case

    Preparations include making sure rapid testing will be available. A global emergency has been declared, with one expert stating there are reports of cases in 16 countries in Africa."

    https://news.sky.com/story/mpox-uk-health-officials-preparing-for-cases-of-new-strain-of-virus-but-say-risk-to-population-is-low-13197391
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    KnightOut said:

    59 years is a fair while. A lot of geopolitical entities have come and gone since then.

    So, how many years without official status does it take for somewhere to cease to exist?

    Does East Germany still exist, given that it lost official status 25 years after Middlesex?

    Do the kingdoms Wessex and Mercia still 'exist' in some form?

    Is any land anywhere that was ever designated a name and status have a guarantee to exist in perpetuity?
    As long as people recognise it for some purpose - such as Middlesex County Cricket club, or the Middlesex and Surrey sides of the river for the boat race, or the London and Middlesex archaeological society - it exists. You can no more absolish it with a stroke of a bureaucrats pen than you can abolish the Pennines.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mpox: UK preparing after virus declared global emergency - as Sweden records first case

    Preparations include making sure rapid testing will be available. A global emergency has been declared, with one expert stating there are reports of cases in 16 countries in Africa."

    https://news.sky.com/story/mpox-uk-health-officials-preparing-for-cases-of-new-strain-of-virus-but-say-risk-to-population-is-low-13197391

    I know we are all scarred from covid, but it’s important to realise that mpox is NOT covid. It’s only infectious when symptomatic, for a start. That makes contact tracing much easier. Plus we already have viable vaccines.
    It’s right to be prepared, but I sense the sensationalists are out looking to do 2020 (and to be fair 2021, 2022 etc again).
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,652

    Odd to reference Reagan there as the national debt tripled in his tenure. It's much higher now, of course, but he certainly wasn't notable for keeping a cap on the national debt.
    I seem to remember that, somewhat ironically given the way it's played out, Bill Clinton was the only president of my lifetime who reduced the US national debt.
  • Cookie said:

    As long as people recognise it for some purpose - such as Middlesex County Cricket club, or the Middlesex and Surrey sides of the river for the boat race, or the London and Middlesex archaeological society - it exists. You can no more absolish it with a stroke of a bureaucrats pen than you can abolish the Pennines.

    Most of Middlesex became part of Greater London in 1965. The only parts that didn't were Potters Bar (ceded to Hertfordshire), and Staines, Ashford, and Sunbury (all ceded to Surrey).
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    I know we are all scarred from covid, but it’s important to realise that mpox is NOT covid. It’s only infectious when symptomatic, for a start. That makes contact tracing much easier. Plus we already have viable vaccines.
    It’s right to be prepared, but I sense the sensationalists are out looking to do 2020 (and to be fair 2021, 2022 etc again).
    Depends. Is it airborne now? Much easier to catch if so than just by gay sex massages. And highly conflicting stories on mortality rate.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    Have judged use a free bet to back 6-1 (well any other away win, but whatever).
    Hah! If Fulham win 6-1 I'll be buying a lottery ticket with the numbers I dreamed last night.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327
    @isam
    ydoethur said:

    Ofgem, Ofwat, EA, all the same...

    Landfill watchdog not fit for purpose, inquiry hears
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceq5j4xr273o

    The Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales are so underfunded they barely operate as regulators NIEA are reasonably well funded and are far more effective.

    Although I did once work (for five years) with the guy who owns Red Industries who own Whalley's Quarry, I am not personally involved although I am currently dealing with several landfills which are under sanctions. They don't get the inspection visits they used to get which is why we are where we are. I suspect the slurry and raw sewerage pumped into surface waters across England and Wales is what it is because of, essentially , government giving up on "red tape" regulation.

    The last Government's dereliction of duty can be viewed in so many areas. For years we just didn't notice and then over the last couple of years the chickens have come home to roost and we have e-coli in our rivers and domestic windows permanently closed in Newcastle - under-Lyme.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    edited August 2024
    DavidL said:

    You can have a real problem if interest rates are going the wrong way. But interest rates are likely to fall anyway and may fall a lot if economic Armageddon breaks out. If that happens the value of gilts or bonds with a 4% return will increase substantially.
    Yes but as you said it's not a time to be brave - Mrs P. will be rather grumpy if I punt it on gilts and interest rates jump for some unforeseen reason. "Sorry dear, I think we might need to look at a park home".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711

    I know we are all scarred from covid, but it’s important to realise that mpox is NOT covid. It’s only infectious when symptomatic, for a start. That makes contact tracing much easier. Plus we already have viable vaccines.
    It’s right to be prepared, but I sense the sensationalists are out looking to do 2020 (and to be fair 2021, 2022 etc again).
    Where's Leon when you need him?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    carnforth said:

    Where's Leon when you need him?
    Penarth, probably.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Hah! If Fulham win 6-1 I'll be buying a lottery ticket with the numbers I dreamed last night.
    And I’ll take it!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Hah! If Fulham win 6-1 I'll be buying a lottery ticket with the numbers I dreamed last night.
    One of my wife’s mums friends always used to get her and her sister a lottery ticket at Christmas as a little present. I always wondered how the friend would feel if one of the tickets had come in big?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,724

    I know we are all scarred from covid, but it’s important to realise that mpox is NOT covid. It’s only infectious when symptomatic, for a start. That makes contact tracing much easier. Plus we already have viable vaccines.
    It’s right to be prepared, but I sense the sensationalists are out looking to do 2020 (and to be fair 2021, 2022 etc again).
    Mpox is definitely not COVID-19 and there is no need to panic.

    However, I would also note that this new variant can be infectious with minimal symptoms, an unhelpful development.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    moonshine said:

    Depends. Is it airborne now? Much easier to catch if so than just by gay sex massages. And highly conflicting stories on mortality rate.
    Nope, skin to skin contact still. It’s not respiratory.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2024

    Yes. Well, it’s just the smallpox vaccines, but it works on mpox too. And you can have it for a period after infection and it still be effective.
    Thanks. So what happens if one is old enough to have been given the smallpox vaccine?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,402
    Carnyx said:

    Thanks. So what happens if one is old enough to have been given the smallpox vaccine?
    Fairly immune to MPox apparently
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    moonshine said:

    Depends. Is it airborne now? Much easier to catch if so than just by gay sex massages. And highly conflicting stories on mortality rate.
    Those of us old enough to have had smallpox vaccine (stopped in the UK in 1971) should have some immunity.
  • Fire near Paddington station
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,402
    carnforth said:

    Where's Leon when you need him?
    Annoyingly, he's so old, he probably had the smallpox vaccine. so no matter what his naughty proclivities, he's probably fine. Of course that wouldn't stop him writing some insane scare story, but, you know
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,240

    Yes but as you said it's not a time to be brave - Mrs P. will be rather grumpy if I punt it on gilts and interest rates jump for some unforeseen reason. "Sorry dear, I think we might need to look at a park home".
    Plus on a timescale of "a year or two" you don't have a long enough time horizon to want to do anything with any volatility to it.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    That I think is part of the problem. Pay. For a long time, the highest status, best paid career open to scientifically-inclined sixth formers was medicine, and by a long way. Recently, working in computers or even more so in the City has taken over, so junior doctors now look at their old school chums and see how much better some are doing. They then are tempted by Australia for twice the money, or management consultancy.

    As an aside, this might ease the path of those for whom medicine is a vocation not just a pay packet.
    There is an interesting argument that the feminisation of medicine in the UK is because of the declining prestige of the profession. The line is that ambitious intelligent young men go into tech or the city as these are now more prestigious and financially rewarding, leaving medicine to equally intelligent but more socially skilled and rounded women. It's not that men have been pushed out, more that they left a vacuum.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Fire near Paddington station

    Calling Sunil. New Tube map goes viral...

    BBC News - Tube map redesigned by Essex lecturer goes viral
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9843r0dz3go
  • . . . speaking of St Ronald . . .

    Seattle Times - USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier docks at Naval Base Kitsap

    After nearly a decade deployed in the Indo-Pacific, the U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and its thousands of sailors returned to Bremerton’s Naval Base Kitsap on Tuesday.

    The base will serve as the home port for the aircraft carrier as it undergoes routine maintenance. . . .

    Before arriving in Bremerton [WA], the USS Ronald Reagan had been the Navy’s only aircraft carrier with a home port in a foreign country. The ship departed from Yokosuka, Japan, on May 16, where it had been deployed since 2015.

    During its tenure, the aircraft carrier participated in dozens of multilateral exercises and visited more than a dozen foreign ports, including a historic port call in Da Nang, Vietnam, last year. . . .

    Friends, family and loved ones greeted more than 2,500 sailors onboard the aircraft carrier. . . .

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Foxy said:

    Calling Sunil. New Tube map goes viral...

    BBC News - Tube map redesigned by Essex lecturer goes viral
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9843r0dz3go
    Really shows how London is the arsehole of the British cosmos.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Evening all! Having a beer on a Thursday night. Bad boy. But also a busy boy:

    Big client projects keeping me busy despite both big client businesses (France and Spain) largely being on holiday in August. LOTS of travel over the last 6 weeks.

    YouTube channel keeping me busy. So much content planned / shot. Doing an all-day driving challenge on Saturday, then a Big Client trip next week that won't get released on the channel til October. Have expensive box of stuff to install on the car and review and more on the way over from China. Insurance renewal coming soon (scary) but revenues are up.

    Wifey's shop needed some back office intervention. Bad supplier managed, trade recovering back in August after a crappy July.

    And the exciting new bit - first shipment of stock inbound for my new ecommerce business. I've built / operated 3 such operations for clients (and still have one of them live) but this is the first one with my own cash. And I get to bring my 16 year old in and team him everything I know about business. He may want to do this (we're selling HIS passion...) long term, he may not. But its low(ish) risk and stressful fun.

    Politics? A summer off. With council byelections incoming...

    any interest in scotch eggs ? I have a source
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Cookie said:

    As long as people recognise it for some purpose - such as Middlesex County Cricket club, or the Middlesex and Surrey sides of the river for the boat race, or the London and Middlesex archaeological society - it exists. You can no more absolish it with a stroke of a bureaucrats pen than you can abolish the Pennines.

    The administrative entity known as Middlesex County Council ceased to exist in 1965 but the name Middlesex lives on just as Wessex and Mercia live on even though the two kingdoms have long since passed into history.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Foxy said:

    There is an interesting argument that the feminisation of medicine in the UK is because of the declining prestige of the profession. The line is that ambitious intelligent young men go into tech or the city as these are now more prestigious and financially rewarding, leaving medicine to equally intelligent but more socially skilled and rounded women. It's not that men have been pushed out, more that they left a vacuum.
    My GP mates son is also a GP. He found Birmingham had no interest in candidates unless they were Asian women
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Carnyx said:

    Really shows how London is the arsehole of the British cosmos.
    Or perhaps that Oxford Circus is the centre of the new Death Star.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Evening all! Having a beer on a Thursday night. Bad boy. But also a busy boy:

    Big client projects keeping me busy despite both big client businesses (France and Spain) largely being on holiday in August. LOTS of travel over the last 6 weeks.

    YouTube channel keeping me busy. So much content planned / shot. Doing an all-day driving challenge on Saturday, then a Big Client trip next week that won't get released on the channel til October. Have expensive box of stuff to install on the car and review and more on the way over from China. Insurance renewal coming soon (scary) but revenues are up.

    Wifey's shop needed some back office intervention. Bad supplier managed, trade recovering back in August after a crappy July.

    And the exciting new bit - first shipment of stock inbound for my new ecommerce business. I've built / operated 3 such operations for clients (and still have one of them live) but this is the first one with my own cash. And I get to bring my 16 year old in and team him everything I know about business. He may want to do this (we're selling HIS passion...) long term, he may not. But its low(ish) risk and stressful fun.

    Politics? A summer off. With council byelections incoming...

    Well someone’s keeping busy!

    How would you have coped if you were an MP right now?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    . . . speaking of St Ronald . . .

    Seattle Times - USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier docks at Naval Base Kitsap

    After nearly a decade deployed in the Indo-Pacific, the U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and its thousands of sailors returned to Bremerton’s Naval Base Kitsap on Tuesday.

    The base will serve as the home port for the aircraft carrier as it undergoes routine maintenance. . . .

    Before arriving in Bremerton [WA], the USS Ronald Reagan had been the Navy’s only aircraft carrier with a home port in a foreign country. The ship departed from Yokosuka, Japan, on May 16, where it had been deployed since 2015.

    During its tenure, the aircraft carrier participated in dozens of multilateral exercises and visited more than a dozen foreign ports, including a historic port call in Da Nang, Vietnam, last year. . . .

    Friends, family and loved ones greeted more than 2,500 sailors onboard the aircraft carrier. . . .

    I went on the Nimitz back around 1975 when it visited the Firth of Forth. Never forgotten that visit. Too big to come into port so we just got a boat ride out there and I had a wander around for an hour or two. All one had to do was to get a ticket from the US Consulate.

    Not sure if they'd do that today. Last time I was in Plymouth a US submarine was in dock with orange buoys all around and, presumably, guarded by US people with automatic rifles and LMGs on the territory of the UK.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    My GP mates son is also a GP. He found Birmingham had no interest in candidates unless they were Asian women
    It's simply that they score better at interview. I would guess that in Leicester half our Medical Students are Asian females.

    Leicester and Brum are particularly popular with Asian applicants as seen as Asian friendly cities, compared with places like Middlesborough.
  • any interest in scotch eggs ? I have a source
    I like eating them? Otherwise no...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    I like eating them? Otherwise no...
    Yes but are they a meal, or a bar snack?
  • Sandpit said:

    Well someone’s keeping busy!

    How would you have coped if you were an MP right now?
    1. Would have quit consultancy
    2. YouTube channel would have evolved into a politics channel
    3. Wouldn't be launching the toy business
    4. Would have been at home more...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I like eating them? Otherwise no...
    Not much point importing them for you, either.
  • Annoyingly Leon won’t die?

    Isn’t that a bit fucking mental?

    He’s stopped posting, but you want him dead to be sure?

    Christ alive some of you are obsessed with him
    He grows on one. Like a really bad rash. Or RFK Jr's brain worm.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    I like eating them? Otherwise no...
    well if you change your mind I work with a guy who runs a scotch egg factory
  • Carnyx said:

    I went on the Nimitz back around 1975 when it visited the Firth of Forth. Never forgotten that visit. Too big to come into port so we just got a boat ride out there and I had a wander around for an hour or two. All one had to do was to get a ticket from the US Consulate.

    Not sure if they'd do that today. Last time I was in Plymouth a US submarine was in dock with orange buoys all around and, presumably, guarded by US people with automatic rifles and LMGs on the territory of the UK.
    Yours truly can view the (exterior of) USS Ronald Reagan, by simply taking the ferry ride from Seattle to Bremerton.

    Years ago did that with USS Missouri. Then Hawaii stole it from WA!

    Last year took TheBus to Pearl Harbor and saw it again, this time outside AND in. Including the spot where Gen. Douglas MacArthur accepted the surrender of Japan, 79 years ago next month.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Foxy said:

    It's simply that they score better at interview. I would guess that in Leicester half our Medical Students are Asian females.

    Leicester and Brum are particularly popular with Asian applicants as seen as Asian friendly cities, compared with places like Middlesborough.
    Junior did his studies at Southampton in the end . But for a Brummie lad it came as a hit.
  • Foxy said:

    Calling Sunil. New Tube map goes viral...

    BBC News - Tube map redesigned by Essex lecturer goes viral
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9843r0dz3go
    It's crap, son!
  • He grows on one. Like a really bad rash. Or RFK Jr's brain worm.
    In fairness, JFK Jr's brain worm was dead when it was removed, not growing. Passed away due to malnutrition, apparently. Very sad.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    Foxy said:

    Those of us old enough to have had smallpox vaccine (stopped in the UK in 1971) should have some immunity.
    At what age was it given? I remember the BCG and polio sugar lumps but will I have had smallpox? Born 1963
  • In fairness, JFK Jr's brain worm was dead when it was removed, not growing. Passed away due to malnutrition, apparently. Very sad.
    Or RFK Jr even.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Yours truly can view the (exterior of) USS Ronald Reagan, by simply taking the ferry ride from Seattle to Bremerton.

    Years ago did that with USS Missouri. Then Hawaii stole it from WA!

    Last year took TheBus to Pearl Harbor and saw it again, this time outside AND in. Including the spot where Gen. Douglas MacArthur accepted the surrender of Japan, 79 years ago next month.
    My dad was in the RN fleet sent out to the Pacific - fortunately for him his ship only got there just after the bombs. But the chaps in the ship's darkroom were evidently making a mint out of running off copies of the official photos of the surrender - I have yet to sort out his photo collection but there are some there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Foxy said:

    Calling Sunil. New Tube map goes viral...

    BBC News - Tube map redesigned by Essex lecturer goes viral
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9843r0dz3go
    I meant to flag this up yesterday.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    mercator said:

    At what age was it given? I remember the BCG and polio sugar lumps but will I have had smallpox? Born 1963
    In my case, about 2 months (this has prompted me to fish out my record card just to be sure).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    mercator said:

    At what age was it given? I remember the BCG and polio sugar lumps but will I have had smallpox? Born 1963
    It was routine for infants until 1962, but uptake dropped across the UK when it was made optional, so hard to be sure.

    I had it
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,770
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,770
    Foxy said:

    It was routine for infants until 1962, but uptake dropped across the UK when it was made optional, so hard to be sure.

    I had it
    I got it at the airport in Corfu in the early 70s.
    There must have been a scare at the time.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Foxy said:

    There is an interesting argument that the feminisation of medicine in the UK is because of the declining prestige of the profession. The line is that ambitious intelligent young men go into tech or the city as these are now more prestigious and financially rewarding, leaving medicine to equally intelligent but more socially skilled and rounded women. It's not that men have been pushed out, more that they left a vacuum.
    Isn't it the case that very competent/able men are drawn in to things that are more entrepreneurial, and less bureaucratic/rule based? It seems like medicine has tilted significantly towards the latter in the last 20 years.

    I am not sure about this idea that the decline of medicine is really about 'declining prestige', if it was correct, wouldn't women be quitting/avoid the industry as well? Why would women be drawn to something that has 'declining prestige'?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Sandpit said:

    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/

    That's Conservative legislation and Conservative guidance. So of course it's being reviewed. New government. But as the article says there is no indication what might be changed.

    The DT does have a record for shit-stirring - it'd be worse than the farmer behind our house except that the stuff in his trailer isn't imaginary.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    edited August 2024
    darkage said:

    Isn't it the case that very competent/able men are drawn in to things that are more entrepreneurial, and less bureaucratic/rule based? It seems like medicine has tilted significantly towards the latter in the last 20 years.

    I am not sure about this idea that the decline of medicine is really about 'declining prestige', if it was correct, wouldn't women be quitting/avoid the industry as well? Why would women be drawn to something that has 'declining prestige'?
    The argument is that Medicine is still relatively prestigious for women still, retaining a feminist aura.

    Also because of institutionalised patriarchy, that women have a high rate of "Imposter Syndrome" so more willing to accept inferior posts. The same reason that women are often passed over for promotion.

    It's noticeable that while most specialities are now female dominated, the ones thought more prestigious by wider society (incidentally also the specialities with highest earnings) such as the surgical specialities remain male dominated. It isn't down simply to sexism at appointment as female scores at BST are higher than the males, but that fewer apply for Higher Specialist Training (years ST4-7).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Sandpit said:

    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/

    Only those in exclusion zones outside abortion clinics.

    We really don't want that US practice of intimidating picketing of clinics here.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Foxy said:

    It's simply that they score better at interview. I would guess that in Leicester half our Medical Students are Asian females.

    Leicester and Brum are particularly popular with Asian applicants as seen as Asian friendly cities, compared with places like Middlesborough.
    And I bet most people in Middlesbrough can't spell Lester either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,770
    Missed this on Tuesday.
    Quite the long read.

    As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov?CMP=share_btn_url

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Foxy said:

    Only those in exclusion zones outside abortion clinics.

    We really don't want that US practice of intimidating picketing of clinics here.
    Ooh thats a tough one.

    What if we go all BLM , take the knee, and say Babies Lives Matter ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    algarkirk said:

    And I bet most people in Middlesbrough can't spell Lester either.
    It's more to do with how mobs in Middlesborough refuse entry to cars with Asian drivers and stone Mosques. Why would a bright Asian Medical Student choose that over The Golden Mile?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Sandpit said:

    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/

    Evidentially tricky. Where is A.P. Herbert when you need him?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Foxy said:

    It's more to do with how mobs in Middlesborough refuse entry to cars with Asian drivers and stone Mosques. Why would a bright Asian Medical Student choose that over The Golden Mile?
    Also culturally Asians are more likely to study while living at home.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Ooh thats a tough one.

    What if we go all BLM , take the knee, and say Babies Lives Matter ?
    As long as it's not within an exclusion zone go right ahead.

    Women deserve to be able to seek legal healthcare without intimidation.

    When I worked in Chritchurch NZ there was a more or less permanent picket of evangelicals outside the abortion clinic. It was unpleasant for staff to run the gauntlet, but far more so for vulnerable patients.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Also culturally Asians are more likely to study while living at home.
    Yes, or at least fairly nearby.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Foxy said:

    As long as it's not within an exclusion zone go right ahead.

    Women deserve to be able to seek legal healthcare without intimidation.

    When I worked in Chritchurch NZ there was a more or less permanent picket of evangelicals outside the abortion clinic. It was unpleasant for staff to run the gauntlet, but far more so for vulnerable patients.
    But probably not as unpleasant as for the baby that was about to get snuffed
  • algarkirk said:

    And I bet most people in Middlesbrough can't spell Lester either.
    The nearest village to Marlborough is Mildenhall

    For some reason it’s pronounced Minal

    The village hall is signposted as Minal Village Hall
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,695

    1. Would have quit consultancy
    2. YouTube channel would have evolved into a politics channel
    3. Wouldn't be launching the toy business
    4. Would have been at home more...
    5. Would be racking up some serious 73 and 92 mileage on the Sleeper!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    Ooh thats a tough one.

    What if we go all BLM , take the knee, and say Babies Lives Matter ?
    Both sides seem determined to fail to comprehend what the other side is talking about. Is it really so hard to see the strengths of positions not held by oneself?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    algarkirk said:

    Both sides seem determined to fail to comprehend what the other side is talking about. Is it really so hard to see the strengths of positions not held by oneself?
    You can understand someone's position but you dont have to agree with ir.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,559

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    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1824148701599895801
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739

    But probably not as unpleasant as for the baby that was about to get snuffed
    I don’t think the foetus will hear or see the protest let alone understand what was happening
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited August 2024
    Carnyx said:

    Really shows how London is the arsehole of the British cosmos.
    I thought arseholes only featured in a Clockwork Orange? Or so I hear!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    eek said:

    I don’t think the foetus will hear or see the protest let alone understand what was happening
    your first three words sum it up
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Sandpit said:

    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/

    Not linked to this, but what I think people have come to realise, is that in the UK criminal offences have been created over the past 40 years that encompass everyday activity which is commonly and mistakenly understood to be protected under 'free speech' (ie: harrassment, malicious communications, disorder) that can just be enacted/ switched on, with sufficiently flexible 'sentencing guidelines' to arrest/imprison people, almost without limit, whenever convenient for the state. It is part of the British system of policing and public order.

    If you listen to the retired senior police officers, whenever they get interviewed on the TV or whatever, they tend to warn about the extreme dangers about using these powers irresponsibly - but the temptation is always there, and the next generation is clearly going to push on with it, with likely disastrous consequences.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,324

    Washington Post (via Seattle Times) - Kamala Harris is among 1 in 8 Americans who have worked at McDonald’s

    Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris is emphasizing her middle-class bona fides, and one of the lines she’s coming to rely on in public appearances to make that case is a lesser-known entry on her résumé: former McDonald’s worker.

    In an ad that debuted Friday, the Harris campaign highlighted her stint at the Golden Arches. As the camera pans across a set of vintage family photos, the narrator intones: “She grew up in a middle-class home. She was the daughter of a working mom. And she worked at McDonald’s while she got her degree.”

    Harris also mentioned the job at Saturday’s rally in Las Vegas, where she told an enthusiastic crowd that “only in America” could two middle-class kids — referring to herself and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz — grow up to be on a ballot for the nation’s highest offices. “I had a summer job at McDonald’s,” she said, by way of underscoring her humble background. . . .

    . . . . [McDonald's] said it surveyed a representative sample of American adults and found that 13.7% of people said they had worked or currently work for the chain. . . .

    Of course, Trump is no stranger to McDonald’s, although his experience is on the other side of the register. . . . Campaign-finance disclosures have shown Trump’s presidential campaign is spending heavily at the chain. He had delivery orders brought in during both his fraud trial in October and his hush-money trial in April. And he famously served Big Macs several times to athletes visiting the White House. . . .

    SSI - Can anyone produce ANY evidence, that Donald Trump has ever done a honest day's work in his entire life?'

    Don't bet on it!

    "only in America" can educated people be so ignorant. Tbf I doubt she believes it herself but her audience laps it up, ridiculous!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2024
    MattW said:

    I thought arseholes only featured in a Clockwork Orange? Or so I hear!
    Tut, surely that's no way to speak of our Glaswegian compatriots riding on the underground there.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    But probably not as unpleasant as for the baby that was about to get snuffed
    Perfectly legal healthcare in GB. In Ireland too, and rightly so.

    Whether you or I would want one is beside the point. It's for women to choose what to do with their bodies, not middle aged men.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Foxy said:

    Perfectly legal healthcare in GB. In Ireland too, and rightly so.

    Whether you or I would want one is beside the point. It's for women to choose what to do with their bodies, not middle aged men.

    It isn't fully, otherwise we would allow abortion until birth
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    kamski said:

    "only in America" can educated people be so ignorant. Tbf I doubt she believes it herself but her audience laps it up, ridiculous!
    There at least 2 people on here who demonstrate that educated people can be incredibly ignorant
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    HYUFD said:

    It isn't fully, otherwise we would allow abortion until birth
    Thankfully the UK isn’t Minnesota.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    edited August 2024

    But probably not as unpleasant as for the baby that was about to get snuffed
    Mind your own damn biz-ness!

    Walz is a genius. Such an ear-worm.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670

    Ooh thats a tough one.

    What if we go all BLM , take the knee, and say Babies Lives Matter ?
    That feels a little virtue-signally. And very difficult to word. What does "a person praying silently" look like, and how does Constable Savage or PC Copper detect one?

    Surely Councils can already ban this via a PSPO, which are essentially designed to allow anything to be banned with no need for evidence as the Council just has to assert that some exists, and open a consultation for 6 weeks, with a very small number of people allowed to challenge and they have do a challenge in I think the High Court, and then implement it?

    My Council (I discovered last week) thinks it can use a PSPO to close Public Rights of Way to the Public, on pain of a £100 fine.

  • 5. Would be racking up some serious 73 and 92 mileage on the Sleeper!
    Would have been more reliable than easyJet.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully the UK isn’t Minnesota.
    It is actually see https://www.davidgray.co.uk/blog/crime/uk-abortion-law/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Sandpit said:

    Home Office now to consider banning people silently praying in the street.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/15/home-office-review-ban-silent-prayer-abortion-clinics/

    Stupid idea.
  • The much repeated two massive elections fnarr fnarr, along with recent revelations about Gove’s massive whatever, might suggest that the author is looking for a well hung Palmer to complete the threesome
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    DavidL said:

    Was it not Ronald Reagan (the only American President to have an economics degree) who said a billion here and a billion there and soon you are talking serious money?

    And he didn't have those incompetent pedants in the OBR imposing a lot of completely fatuous restrictions on him based on forecasts which are so far out as to be laughable.


    Edit. And btw why are advocates depute not on that list??
    Reagan studied economics and sociology at Eureka, Bush 41 graduated from Yale too with a BA in economics
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    eek said:

    It is actually see https://www.davidgray.co.uk/blog/crime/uk-abortion-law/
    Still permits up to birth in certain cases.
  • The nearest village to Marlborough is Mildenhall

    For some reason it’s pronounced Minal

    The village hall is signposted as Minal Village Hall
    For some reason the people of North Norfolk pronounce Stiffkey as Stookey.

    I believe this is an example of a shibboleth.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,344
    Nigelb said:

    Missed this on Tuesday.
    Quite the long read.

    As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov?CMP=share_btn_url

    Thanks for linking to that, some very powerful writing. It chimes with what I sense is happening in Israel but don’t feel qualified or informed enough to express. Tragic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Andy_JS said:

    Stupid idea.
    Starmer is an atheist like his father, no surprise
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2024

    For some reason the people of North Norfolk pronounce Stiffkey as Stookey.

    I believe this is an example of a shibboleth.

    Well known, *including pronunciation*, to military vehicle nerds as the name of a sighting attachment for a Bofors gun in WW2 which obviated the need for director control at the cost of having a brown job standing at the gun to tweak it now and then. (There was a training area at the village.)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/2tvc58/bofors_40_mml60_this_example_includes_the/

    So, yes, a shibboleth for those who know their LAA.

    Also for a defrocked rector who ended up as a lion tamer. Or so I seem to recall.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,344
    Foxy said:

    Perfectly legal healthcare in GB. In Ireland too, and rightly so.

    Whether you or I would want one is beside the point. It's for women to choose what to do with their bodies, not middle aged men.

    At least we now know who’d be in favour of Islamists praying for divine conversion therapy outside gay clubs.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    But probably not as unpleasant as for the baby that was about to get snuffed
    Mayday Mayday, 'Abortion is Murder' sentiment on the loose!

    I sense you'd be a generally happier camper if all those civil rights battles of 50+ years ago had gone the other way.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,567
    edited August 2024
    TimS said:

    I’ve been enjoying putting wine in our new Soda Stream.

    Though SS seems to have become a bit puritanical these days. They warn you never to put anything but water in. What a waste. Juice, wine, milk, coffee… so you end up doing the carbonation while feeling a bit naughty. Why can’t they bring out a new soda stream machine that is designed for a wider variety of drinks.

    Anyway I ignored the advice and carbonated a bottle of muscadet. Very pleasantly pétillant, though it loses any complexity or lees-richness it might have had as a still wine.
    In Italy, I had a flatmate who could supply a fizzy Frecciarossa variant by the bucket, so this is not an unknown concept (don't know if it was vinyard seconds or a genuine sparkling red, which are present in the Oltrepò). When a bit too old used to mix 50/50 with coke to make something we knew as colamaccio and finish it off.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,559
    My free Spad advice of the evening:

    Bridget Phillipson needs to learn to speak slower.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Foxy said:

    The argument is that Medicine is still relatively prestigious for women still, retaining a feminist aura.

    Also because of institutionalised patriarchy, that women have a high rate of "Imposter Syndrome" so more willing to accept inferior posts. The same reason that women are often passed over for promotion.

    It's noticeable that while most specialities are now female dominated, the ones thought more prestigious by wider society (incidentally also the specialities with highest earnings) such as the surgical specialities remain male dominated. It isn't down simply to sexism at appointment as female scores at BST are higher than the males, but that fewer apply for Higher Specialist Training (years ST4-7).
    Just out of interest, has the idea of 'getting more men in to the industry, particularly where they are underrepresented' entered the discourse yet? Or is the tendency to look for and find societal explanations (ie the 'patriarchy') to explain the situation.

    In my own (similarly female dominated) public sector field I just find these discussions to be quite inauthentic and fake, so I don't really get involved in them. We did have an equalities report which I read all 60 pages of, it had mostly quite ok ideas, but somewhat buried in the report was the fact that my department - below very senior management level - was overrepresented by women and ethnic minorities, a particular problem being that the 'white british', which still form a majority of the local population, were significantly under-represented. There are actually only 3 out of about 30 people that meet this definition (including me).
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