For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
Clearly some PBers have NOT been paying atttention, we've already had this freaking debate!
Kamala Harris pronounces her first name "Kom-a-la" with even stress on each sylable, just like the narrarator of the add says it.
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
This is what I do not understand. I get that Nige prefers Florida to Clacton but why not hire a couple of staff to run the constituency office and do case work?
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
Yes. The justice system shouldn't get "caught up in the moment" just because individuals do.
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
Yes. The justice system shouldn't get "caught up in the moment" just because individuals do.
To be clear, I think running 24 hour courts to end the riots earlier is ok, so long as each case is tried and sentenced fairly. (I would worry about the sentencing, especially under magistrates, if anything. You'd hope judges knew better.)
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
it's probably just other nations upping their game, especially France in this Games - as host nations generally do
That's enough in extremely tight conditions to edge us out of a few golds. Also, Australia have done especially well this year
If we finish in the top 5 that is still highly creditable, and another good performance, albeit not as good as Tokyo etc
This is what I do not understand. I get that Nige prefers Florida to Clacton but why not hire a couple of staff to run the constituency office and do case work?
I’ve mailed Luke Akehurst twice, not had a response from him only one from a staffer demanding my address.
why are the Brits good to ok in the 100m relay but no stand out individuals?
Relays are about baton changes. We work on that. The American dream team approach gives four stars who have only just met in the car park. Look at China whose teamwork got them to the final despite being too slow on paper.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
This is exactly what we need to do. Although each sport has its own responsibility to prepare, we have seen this across a number of sports, swimming, cycling, athletics.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
Clearly some PBers have NOT been paying atttention, we've already had this freaking debate!
Kamala Harris pronounces her first name "Kom-a-la" with even stress on each sylable, just like the narrarator of the add says it.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
This is exactly what we need to do. Although each sport has its own responsibility to prepare, we have seen this across a number of sports, swimming, cycling, athletics.
GB sport appears to have found the anti-philosopher's stone, that turns gold into silver....
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
This is exactly what we need to do. Although each sport has its own responsibility to prepare, we have seen this across a number of sports, swimming, cycling, athletics.
Yes, there's something off about the formula this year.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
it's probably just other nations upping their game, especially France in this Games - as host nations generally do
That's enough in extremely tight conditions to edge us out of a few golds. Also, Australia have done especially well this year
If we finish in the top 5 that is still highly creditable, and another good performance, albeit not as good as Tokyo etc
Yes and no, to have so many close calls is the issue that needs an inquest, not the overall performances. We shouldn't have been on the wrong side of so many 50/50s which speaks to some kind of prep issue.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Correction - saying it like an American from West, North, East AND South.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
This is exactly what we need to do. Although each sport has its own responsibility to prepare, we have seen this across a number of sports, swimming, cycling, athletics.
GB sport appears to have found the anti-philosopher's stone, that turns gold into silver....
Way too many silvers for Team GB, including when the frontrunner screwed up. The Americans metaphorically dropping the baton in the 4x100m is a great example, that could and should have been a British gold.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Correction - saying it like an American from West, North, East AND South.
Well indeed. Though there’s not a little regional variation there, and Harris is west coast.
Such a shame. Sums up our whole Olympics. We will need to get another gold to finish top 5 and I can't see where it comes from. Possibly in cycling but as I commented earlier this is one area where we have been falling short.
And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
I think Team GB need a bit of an inquest to see why there were so many near misses for gold medals, what last 1% have we not got this year vs 2021 and 2016.
This is exactly what we need to do. Although each sport has its own responsibility to prepare, we have seen this across a number of sports, swimming, cycling, athletics.
GB sport appears to have found the anti-philosopher's stone, that turns gold into silver....
Way too many silvers for Team GB, including when the frontrunner screwed up. The Americans metaphorically dropping the baton in the 4x100m is a great example, that could and should have been a British gold.
The woman who got silver in Track was robbed of gold. She should have got it. Also, the Charlotte Dujardin scandal smacks of a set up by a rival. She usually gets a gold.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Correction - saying it like an American from West, North, East AND South.
Well indeed. Though there’s not a little regional variation there, and Harris is west coast.
Have personally heard very little regional variation is US pronounciation of "comma".
Except perhaps some with very pronounced Southern accents may say "kaaah-mah" but that's about it; have never heard a native speaker of US English insert an "r" sound.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Correction - saying it like an American from West, North, East AND South.
Well indeed. Though there’s not a little regional variation there, and Harris is west coast.
Have personally heard very little regional variation is US pronounciation of "comma".
Except perhaps some with very pronounced Southern accents may say "kaaah-mah" but that's about it; have never heard a native speaker of US English insert an "r" sound.
Great effort from KJT but silver it is. Think Thiam may have run a PB there
So LJ of 6.52m by KJT instead of 6.40m would have resulted in a 1pt win
Her LJ PB was 6.93m but since her double achilles rupture it is 6.60
To do 4 Olympic cycles in this most brutal of athletic events is an astonishing achievement. Thiamin is a phenomenon. Arguably the GOAT, even ahead of the great Jessica. To come second to her is no disgrace and with a PB too.
Great effort from KJT but silver it is. Think Thiam may have run a PB there
So LJ of 6.52m by KJT instead of 6.40m would have resulted in a 1pt win
Her LJ PB was 6.93m but since her double achilles rupture it is 6.60
So disappointing, after she smashed her shot put PB last night I really thought she might be on for the gold today. Thiam once again the best overall athlete to turn up.
We’re sending Ukraine a significant new package of urgently needed munitions. This support will help Ukraine protect its troops and its people and reinforce its capabilities across the front lines.
We’re sending Ukraine a significant new package of urgently needed munitions. This support will help Ukraine protect its troops and its people and reinforce its capabilities across the front lines.
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
The thing about all this is that it isn't really to do with justice or morality. The 'violent disorder' last week is an attack on the authority of the state. If you get caught up in it, even by mistake, you go to to prison for a long time, but only in a context where the 'disorder' is posing a threat to the state. If it is something isolated then you are just a typical low level offender passing through the justice system; you will probably get some kind of 'community order' or a 'suspended sentence'. This is a good reason to always stay away from political protests and probably why the foreign office advice says 'stay away from protests' when going to foreign countries.
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
The thing about all this is that it isn't really to do with justice or morality. The 'violent disorder' last week is an attack on the authority of the state. If you get caught up in it, even by mistake, you go to to prison for a long time, but only in a context where the 'disorder' is posing a threat to the state. If it is something isolated then you are just a typical low level offender passing through the justice system; you will probably get some kind of 'community order' or a 'suspended sentence'. This is a good reason to always stay away from political protests and probably why the foreign office advice says 'stay away from protests' when going to foreign countries.
You can and should send out hard, deterrent sentences for violence or serious incitement, without over-doing it on random people at the periphery
Neither the Facebook guy nor the Labour councillor were present at any trouble. The Facebook guy just sent ugly probably racist emojis to a Facebook family member, the Labour councill said one truly mad sentence about throat slitting but it seems entirely out of character
Both deserve punishment and public shaming, they have both got that. Jail sentences? Hmmm
What worries me is that all this seems part and parcel of the state seizing yet more power to bully, surveil, and censor the individual, and more loss of free speech
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
Thiam got a PB in the 800m, well done in what’s not a good event for her. She could see KJT in front of her in the race, and knew what the gap between then needed to be!
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
The thing about all this is that it isn't really to do with justice or morality. The 'violent disorder' last week is an attack on the authority of the state. If you get caught up in it, even by mistake, you go to to prison for a long time, but only in a context where the 'disorder' is posing a threat to the state. If it is something isolated then you are just a typical low level offender passing through the justice system; you will probably get some kind of 'community order' or a 'suspended sentence'. This is a good reason to always stay away from political protests and probably why the foreign office advice says 'stay away from protests' when going to foreign countries.
You can and should send out hard, deterrent sentences for violence or serious incitement, without over-doing it on random people at the periphery
Neither the Facebook guy nor the Labour councillor were present at any trouble. The Facebook guy just sent ugly probably racist emojis to a Facebook family member, the Labour councill said one truly mad sentence about throat slitting but it seems entirely out of character
Both deserve punishment and public shaming, they have both got that. Jail sentences? Hmmm
What worries me is that all this seems part and parcel of the state seizing yet more power to bully, surveil, and censor the individual, and more loss of free speech
I feel like this is the sort of thing that doesn’t come under tremendous scrutiny (certainly in the mainstream media) at the time but in hindsight will get picked up with a bit of a “huh? hang on a sec…”
Disclaimer, I don’t know what has been said or the full facts. But significant prison time feels a bit disproportionate, from a first glance at the story. Particularly when you see what some people get for other offences.
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
This is what I do not understand. I get that Nige prefers Florida to Clacton but why not hire a couple of staff to run the constituency office and do case work?
Etiquette advice please. I’m sitting outside a bar and there is a blonde influencer type sitting with her friend on high stools opposite me. Influencer has obviously decided it’s too hot for underwear so everything is on show at my eye level.
I’m finding it difficult holding phone so it’s absolutely clear I’m not filming her.
My question is whether it’s considered good manners nowadays to tell someone you are typing on a politics site and not filming an admittedly very pretty fanny or do I just keep obviously looking dramatically in all other directions?
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
Clearly some PBers have NOT been paying atttention, we've already had this freaking debate!
Kamala Harris pronounces her first name "Kom-a-la" with even stress on each sylable, just like the narrarator of the add says it.
Dr Lindsey discusses the pronunciation of Vice President Kamala Harris's name, particularly in the context of differing English dialects. He highlights how her name, derived from Sanskrit meaning "lotus," has led to various pronunciations, notably "Kamala" pronounced like "camel" or "koala." The discussion emphasizes the challenges English speakers like Rory Campbell and Alastair Stewart face when encountering exotic names, particularly those that do not conform to familiar phonetic patterns.
He explains two primary approaches to pronouncing exotic words: nativization, where the word is adapted to fit English pronunciation norms, and non-assimilation, where the original pronunciation is retained. He notes that American English has increasingly adopted a non-assimilation strategy, which has influenced the majority pronunciation of "Kamala" in the U.S. However, this approach is less familiar to British speakers, who may default to nativized pronunciations.
The concept of trisyllabic shortening is introduced, explaining how the length of vowels in three-syllable words affects pronunciation. This linguistic phenomenon complicates the adoption of the American pronunciation for British speakers, who retain distinctions between short and long vowels. He also touches on the phonetic nuances of the name, suggesting that the correct pronunciation lies somewhere between the American and British vowel sounds.
He concludes with an acknowledgment of the ongoing learning process for speakers like Rory and Alastair, who are adapting their pronunciations. It suggests that, as Kamala Harris gains prominence, British speakers may settle on a pronunciation that aligns more closely with their phonetic systems, such as "camel-a" or "karma-la."
fecking clowns , say it as it is rather than butt licking clowns who cannot even pronounce a name properly
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
The thing about all this is that it isn't really to do with justice or morality. The 'violent disorder' last week is an attack on the authority of the state. If you get caught up in it, even by mistake, you go to to prison for a long time, but only in a context where the 'disorder' is posing a threat to the state. If it is something isolated then you are just a typical low level offender passing through the justice system; you will probably get some kind of 'community order' or a 'suspended sentence'. This is a good reason to always stay away from political protests and probably why the foreign office advice says 'stay away from protests' when going to foreign countries.
You can and should send out hard, deterrent sentences for violence or serious incitement, without over-doing it on random people at the periphery
Neither the Facebook guy nor the Labour councillor were present at any trouble. The Facebook guy just sent ugly probably racist emojis to a Facebook family member, the Labour councill said one truly mad sentence about throat slitting but it seems entirely out of character
Both deserve punishment and public shaming, they have both got that. Jail sentences? Hmmm
What worries me is that all this seems part and parcel of the state seizing yet more power to bully, surveil, and censor the individual, and more loss of free speech
Sometimes you need some punitive punishments handed down and publicised to get a grip. It worked in 2011 and it seems to be working now. Hopefully the Appeal Court will review some of these sentences once things have died down a bit.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
Clearly some PBers have NOT been paying atttention, we've already had this freaking debate!
Kamala Harris pronounces her first name "Kom-a-la" with even stress on each sylable, just like the narrarator of the add says it.
If you want the linguistics take on the question try https://youtu.be/NihLE-wh0xc . Among the points Geoff Lindsey makes is that the problem is exacerbated for those of us on this side of the pond by our set of vowels not including the one that the VP (and most Americans) use in her name.
Personally don't give a blind fiddler's farewell fuck how you Brits pronounce your own names, let alone Kamala Harris's.
Though it IS amusing to speculate that you UKer's pronounce "Leon" as "Leer-on"?
It doesn't look like the reports of HIMARS being used are true - the destruction is limited to the vehicles. Houses next to the road look untouched....
The Khorne group within the 116th mechanised brigade have shared footage of the strike. They don't say, but it looks like drone-corrected artillery fire. Sadly the first shot was partway down the column and some of the vehicles at the front escaped, but still good work.
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Two things about that video. First, Republicans Against Trump. Second, and more importantly, Kamala can't pronounce her own name if any of those how to pronounce Kamala videos are any guide, which I'm beginning to think they may not be. Without going all blue dress/gold dress, she clearly says Calmerla to rhyme with Sir Keir Starmerla. (OK, I know there are parts of Britain outside the South East where calmer doesn't rhyme with Starmer.)
That's an entirely new pronunciation on me. I thought it was meant to be as in Pamela but mostly people pronounced it as in Kampala. Car-mela? Truly a woman of mystery.
I thought it has the same root as Karma, the spiritual concept, and pronounce it Karma-lah
No, it's another name of Lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity. Another meaning is " Lotus".
Yes, but is the pronunciation of the first two syllables like Karma?
The first syllable is pronounced like ‘comma’ - but only if you’re saying it like a west coast American, Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
For balance, and on reflection, I don't think this guy should get a jail sentence either, or at least not a long one
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Absolutely the right take.
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
The thing about all this is that it isn't really to do with justice or morality. The 'violent disorder' last week is an attack on the authority of the state. If you get caught up in it, even by mistake, you go to to prison for a long time, but only in a context where the 'disorder' is posing a threat to the state. If it is something isolated then you are just a typical low level offender passing through the justice system; you will probably get some kind of 'community order' or a 'suspended sentence'. This is a good reason to always stay away from political protests and probably why the foreign office advice says 'stay away from protests' when going to foreign countries.
You can and should send out hard, deterrent sentences for violence or serious incitement, without over-doing it on random people at the periphery
Neither the Facebook guy nor the Labour councillor were present at any trouble. The Facebook guy just sent ugly probably racist emojis to a Facebook family member, the Labour councill said one truly mad sentence about throat slitting but it seems entirely out of character
Both deserve punishment and public shaming, they have both got that. Jail sentences? Hmmm
What worries me is that all this seems part and parcel of the state seizing yet more power to bully, surveil, and censor the individual, and more loss of free speech
The view in 'prison reform' circles is that the government have held off going after people at the periphery this time around, unlike 2011, which may be representative of wisdom on the part of Starmer, I would like to think so at least.
My broader point though that, aside from the arson which is deadly serious, most of this stuff attracting long jail sentences is low level clumsy assaults of police officers, a bit of criminal damage here and there, throwing some wheely bins around, some unwise facebook posts etc, just some kind of stuff that would normally mean a night in the cells at the most but is now a life changing event for the people involved. That is because it is a historic event, the authority of the state is being challenged in an existential way.
I share your sympathy with the unfortunate labour councillor, but he has to be remanded, because if he isn't then it could aggravate the rioting on the other side that has caused an existential problem for the state. Perhaps if things calm down he will be let out with some mitigation, ie it was self defence, he felt as though he was under attack (as is the case with the other 'defenders' that have been sent to jail). It does at least show that there is effort by the state to debunk the 'two tier keir' allegation.
I don't think Starmer is an authoritarian in the way you are fearing, he has spent too long as a human rights lawyer. But probably an exception in the labour party.
Feels like there have been a lot of agonising near misses for Team GB in these Olympics. But fundamentally shows how strong a position we’re in nowadays to still be 4th in the medals table despite having a few disappointments. I think of the days when we were getting 1-5 golds in a games. I know the sports programme has expanded since then but we really do well in Olympics nowadays.
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And unfortunately I suspect another to come with KJT. But I'm not always right so here's hoping for the win!
His career is over and his life is in pieces. Because of one moment of absolute madness. From all I have read he is an upstanding citizen, he got overwrought at a rally and said a crazy and incendiary thing. But it appears to be a total one off
I woudn't jail the Facebook dude and I would at most put this guy in jail for a few weeks, following conviction
We need to separate actual violence or deliberate, studied incitement from random people just mouthing off in the heat of the moment. People who actually got involved in the riots, anyone who carried a weapon in the streets, anyone who set out to incite violence with a plan and on repeated occasions - yes: sling them in jail for serious time
These peripheral figures? - I'm not convinced
Probably NOT seeing as how JDV is a Recovering Hillbilly!
The Beverly Hillbillies Opening and Closing Theme (starts at 0:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvE9zJgm8OY&t=4s
The guy said something stupid while caught up in the heat of the moment with a mic in his hand and a huge crowd in front of him.
Not to excuse what he said, but also, context is key. I don't believe the assembled crowd who had showed up were an angry mob, whereas if he'd been one of the rioters saying those things while people were trying to set fire to a hotel full of refugees, it would be incitement. Like the proverbial example of shouting fire in a crowded theatre, context matters.
And where speech is involved, we should *always* err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. How many of us can honestly say we haven't used hyperbole to make a point, or said something stupid in the heat of the moment we later regret?
This guy said one stupid thing - it shouldn't be the end of his career because of it. A bit of common sense needs to prevail.
Spain 3-2 up.
Scores.
That's enough in extremely tight conditions to edge us out of a few golds. Also, Australia have done especially well this year
If we finish in the top 5 that is still highly creditable, and another good performance, albeit not as good as Tokyo etc
Hence the confusion; Americans don’t pronounce vowels like we do.
Though there’s not a little regional variation there, and Harris is west coast.
200m yesterday and LJ cost us an epic finish
Even if KJT runs a PB the only way she can win is for Thiam to run 2 secs outside of her PB
Fingers crossed bit 1/2 this morning on Thiam has long gone 1/6 now
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1821949619216990321
Positive vibes, BJO.
Maybe I'm being harsh
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1821929775050485794
Or not.
https://x.com/PU28453638/status/1821930373556666740
Except perhaps some with very pronounced Southern accents may say "kaaah-mah" but that's about it; have never heard a native speaker of US English insert an "r" sound.
https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/medals?AnonymousID=6b3a60c7-2425-4291-8ffa-a8de18b67621
Her LJ PB was 6.93m but since her double achilles rupture it is 6.60
https://x.com/AndreasKoureas_/status/1821582776963076288
A McColgan has won a global level 10,000m 👍
Go on Eilish.
We’re sending Ukraine a significant new package of urgently needed munitions. This support will help Ukraine protect its troops and its people and reinforce its capabilities across the front lines.
https://x.com/SecBlinken/status/1821972991632355821
I guess the USG is not too upset about the ongoing Ukranian raid in Russia's Kursk region.
https://x.com/AmbDanFried/status/1821981637292286046
that's all i can say. i am sure the videos will be released later by our mil.
https://x.com/Teoyaomiquu/status/1821941222895743000
"Brazil latest updates: No survivors after passenger plane crashes in residential area of Sao Paulo
A passenger plane has crashed in a residential area of a city in Brazil's Sao Paulo state. The airline has said 62 people were on board the flight. Stay here for the latest updates."
https://news.sky.com/story/brazil-latest-updates-passenger-plane-crashes-in-residential-area-of-sao-paulo-13194169
Neither the Facebook guy nor the Labour councillor were present at any trouble. The Facebook guy just sent ugly probably racist emojis to a Facebook family member, the Labour councill said one truly mad sentence about throat slitting but it seems entirely out of character
Both deserve punishment and public shaming, they have both got that. Jail sentences? Hmmm
What worries me is that all this seems part and parcel of the state seizing yet more power to bully, surveil, and censor the individual, and more loss of free speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk
(My apologies if someone else made this point earlier. I don't always have time to wade through all the comments, on any given day.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72
Disclaimer, I don’t know what has been said or the full facts. But significant prison time feels a bit disproportionate, from a first glance at the story. Particularly when you see what some people get for other offences.
They don’t have a habit of crashing, will be really interested to see what happened. There’s video footage of what looks like a spin.
My broader point though that, aside from the arson which is deadly serious, most of this stuff attracting long jail sentences is low level clumsy assaults of police officers, a bit of criminal damage here and there, throwing some wheely bins around, some unwise facebook posts etc, just some kind of stuff that would normally mean a night in the cells at the most but is now a life changing event for the people involved. That is because it is a historic event, the authority of the state is being challenged in an existential way.
I share your sympathy with the unfortunate labour councillor, but he has to be remanded, because if he isn't then it could aggravate the rioting on the other side that has caused an existential problem for the state. Perhaps if things calm down he will be let out with some mitigation, ie it was self defence, he felt as though he was under attack (as is the case with the other 'defenders' that have been sent to jail). It does at least show that there is effort by the state to debunk the 'two tier keir' allegation.
I don't think Starmer is an authoritarian in the way you are fearing, he has spent too long as a human rights lawyer. But probably an exception in the labour party.
GB G14 S20 B23
France G14 S20 B22
So we’ve just overtaken them but they only need a bronze to be identical to us.