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System · June 23

Oh Mandy – politicalbetting.com

"I don't believe the polls for one moment"Former cabinet minister Lord Mandelson says opinion polls can be "dangerous" ahead of elections and says it's not "all in the bag" for Labour#BBCLauraK https://t.co/JIr7IBfz4z pic.twitter.com/73SmZR1s4o

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BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

Good morning, Vietnam!

squareroot2 · June 23

There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

Yes, I am aware that I am criticising somebody else for a lack of subtlety.

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, I am aware that I am accusing somebody else for a lack of subtlety.

An appalling lack of tripe.

MattW · June 23

Taking the Fifth ,,, AGAIN.

Back to 4 dimensional chess from Lord Mandelbrot. Just like old times.

Does @BatteryCorrectHorse eat tripe? If so, can we have a recipe?

(My @ menu offered me 4 different options for CHB, and none of them are the correct one.)

PedestrianRock · June 23

Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

FPT

Sandpit said:
Random question. Does anyone know why the Spanish national anthem is an instrumental piece, with no words?

It is one of four national anthems that doesn't have any lyrics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcha_Real

Anabobazina · June 23

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.

Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.

MarqueeMark · June 23

Reminding people of New Labour is not exactly a win, I would suggest.

Next, Blair will pop up, saying we have to be prepared for an Iraqi attack in 45 minutes....

Scott_xP · June 23

Curse of the New Thread

mickydroy said:
I have no real wish to see Sunak lose his seat, I feel he was dealt a poor hand, and the blame lies squarely at the door of Truss and Johnson, if as anticipated they get trounced at the election

As Richi's time in Government (and Parliament and politics) winds down to its ignominious end, I wonder just how badly he has queered the pitch for future leaders of the party and Country

Will they ever select another;

Billionaire?

Party? Yes.
Country? Not if they can help it. Even at school he didn't want to mix with the Hoi polloi but the inability to relate to the common man is a definite negative.

Tech-bro?

Party? No. They need a politician, with a common touch. Not another spreadsheet geek. They didn't want him first time round, and gifting him the gig worked out badly.
Country? Maybe

Person of Colour?

Party? Yes
Country? Yes, although that may depend how many RefUK 'teal shirts' are marching

Non-Christian?

Party? Yes
Country? Yes, although the exact flavour and fervour may be a factor

Short-arse with shorter trousers

Party? If they have to
Country? Not if they can help it

No_Offence_Alan · June 23

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?

The only thing that could save Sunak would be Starmer saying he will euthanise Larry The Cat if he gets into number 10.

williamglenn · June 23

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.

He is a fighter, not a quitter.

Eabhal · June 23

No_Offence_Alan said:

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?
The only thing that could save Sunak would be Starmer saying he will euthanise Larry The Cat if he gets into number 10.

Larry's the only Downing Street employee who didn't have a bet on 4th July.

DecrepiterJohnL · June 23

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.

1992. Labour ahead in the polls. Soap box. Sheffield. Tory victory. That's why Mandelson is cautious, and also why I do not believe Mandelson is an electoral wunderkind.

MarqueeMark · June 23

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.

Is he though? He only had to beat a broken John Major.

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

MarqueeMark said:

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.
Is he though? He only had to beat a broken John Major.

He was the architect of Labour's 1987 general election campaign.

Thatcher won a landslide.

carnforth · June 23

"Romanian village set to become Nato's biggest airbase in Europe"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977wggg4pgo

RochdalePioneers · June 23

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?

"I have lost this election. You want me out. That's fine. I will resign the leadership on 5th July. So this isn't about me. Its about you. Do you want to give this man [points] a blank cheque? The ability to do all the things he wants to do but doesn't dare tell you about?"

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

williamglenn said:

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.
He is a fighter, not a quitter.

Yeah, unlike William Glenn. I mean, the other William Glenn.

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.
1992. Labour ahead in the polls. Soap box. Sheffield. Tory victory. That's why Mandelson is cautious, and also why I do not believe Mandelson is an electoral wunderkind.

Kinnock never thought Labour would win in 1992.

kjh · June 23

Eabhal said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?
The only thing that could save Sunak would be Starmer saying he will euthanise Larry The Cat if he gets into number 10.
Larry's the only Downing Street employee who didn't have a bet on 4th July.

How do you know? I hear he will only eat salmon now.

TimS · June 23

MarqueeMark said:
Reminding people of New Labour is not exactly a win, I would suggest.

Next, Blair will pop up, saying we have to be prepared for an Iraqi attack in 45 minutes....

Memories of New Labour have, I would suggest, become progressively rosier as the memories of the last 14 years have darkened.

Outside the radical left and Tory loyalists I sense the “Blair = Iraq” equation is much less powerful than it was even 5 years ago.

Things can only get better etc

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.

Eabhal · June 23

kjh said:

Eabhal said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?
The only thing that could save Sunak would be Starmer saying he will euthanise Larry The Cat if he gets into number 10.
Larry's the only Downing Street employee who didn't have a bet on 4th July.
How do you know? I hear he will only eat salmon now.

You're supposed to place the bet in your wife's name, not the ****ing cat!

Malcolm Tucker in the TTOI Christmas special

kle4 · June 23

Overconfidence is a legitimate concern, but you can go too far to protect against it, then it just looks silly.

williamglenn · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.

This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

MarqueeMark · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".

williamglenn · June 23

Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592

Foxy · June 23

Interesting that Sunak is a spread bettor. I wonder what he got on Tory seats.

https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1804622827884069318?t=-9qJbxZdt1B5GkuWzyol_g&s=19

Leon · June 23

Is @TimS around? I have a question for @TimS

Paris aside, on each of my recent visits to France - and I’ve been all over - Brittany, Normandy, Picardy, the Cevennes, Provence, Languedoc - I’ve been struck by the high quality of life. It’s not just the nicer weather - they have good health care, beautiful cities, agreeable food, excellent infrastructure, lots of holidays

They must have one of the highest “qualities of life” in the world. And I’m not just comparing them with fucked up old Britain. They seem to have a superior quality of life to almost anyone in europe (or the world?)

Yes they have problems - migration, crime, but still. Other countries have all that as well and often far worse

Yet the French are so discontented they are voting in their millions for a woman who says France is on
the brink of ruin and forget about my Nazi dad only I can save you

WHY?

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?

MarqueeMark · June 23

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592

The box isn't yet ticked.

She could still have drawn a cock and balls...

PedestrianRock · June 23

RochdalePioneers said:

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?
"I have lost this election. You want me out. That's fine. I will resign the leadership on 5th July. So this isn't about me. Its about you. Do you want to give this man [points] a blank cheque? The ability to do all the things he wants to do but doesn't dare tell you about?"

It is perhaps a better strategy than whatever they are doing now. Though, maybe not outright conceding defeat - but talking about the long term political landscape.

williamglenn · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?

Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.

MarqueeMark · June 23

Leon said:
Is @TimS around? I have a question for @TimS

Paris aside, on each of my recent visits to France - and I’ve been all over - Brittany, Normandy, Picardy, the Cevennes, Provence, Languedoc - I’ve been struck by the high quality of life. It’s not just the nicer weather - they have good health care, beautiful cities, agreeable food, excellent infrastructure, lots of holidays

They must have one of the highest “qualities of life” in the world. And I’m not just comparing them with fucked up old Britain. They seem to have a superior quality of life to almost anyone in europe (or the world?)

Yes they have problems - migration, crime, but still. Other countries have all that as well and often far worse

Yet the French are so discontented they are voting in their millions for a woman who says France is on
the brink of ruin and forget about my Nazi dad only I can save you

WHY?

And they have the Gaul to talk about "perfidious Albion".

Puh!

Foxy · June 23

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".

The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.

Anabobazina · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

Anabobazina said:

squareroot2 said:
There is always a stench when Mandleson is involved in anything.
Mandelson is a class act. One of the finest political brains of the modern era.
He is a fighter, not a quitter.
Yeah, unlike William Glenn. I mean, the other William Glenn.

Wrong. You are confusing William Glenn with William Glenn. Easily mistaken for William Glenn. Be careful out there.

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 23

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".

If the Tories had been in power, we'd have invaded Iraq too. Indeed, they voted for it in Parliament.

Did you oppose the war at the time?

SandyRentool · June 23

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592

Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.

Leon · June 23

Is it because the French know they’ve got it good and they are acting now to pre-empt stuff that might fuck it up?

Is it just their revolutionary temperament?

Is it that national morosity?

Some hangover from napoleon?

Too much cheese?

carnforth · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
If the Tories had been in power, we'd have invaded Iraq too. Indeed, they voted for it in Parliament.

Did you oppose the war at the time?

"They voted for it" isn't good enough, since it was sold on a false prospectus. But yes, I suspect we'd have invaded under the tories.

Dumbosaurus · June 23

Foxy said:
Interesting that Sunak is a spread bettor. I wonder what he got on Tory seats.

https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1804622827884069318?t=-9qJbxZdt1B5GkuWzyol_g&s=19

Gotta be more than £30 a seat given he starts a grand down to Piers Morgan...

MarqueeMark · June 23

OMG! We have two days this week without football! And no Wimbledon to turn to either.

Will we have to talk, you know - politics? Urgh...

MarqueeMark · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
If the Tories had been in power, we'd have invaded Iraq too. Indeed, they voted for it in Parliament.

Did you oppose the war at the time?

Yes. I was with Ken Clark.

carnforth · June 23

MarqueeMark said:
OMG! We have two days this week without football! And no Wimbledon to turn to either.

Will we have to talk, you know - politics? Urgh...

Queen's tennis final is on BBC right now.

MarqueeMark · June 23

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.

IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.

MarqueeMark · June 23

Anyway, it has stopped drizzling and I can return to delivering leaflets, rather than a handful of mush.

Laters.

williamglenn · June 23

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.

He's liable to get it wrong if he goes for a more precise descriptor. She's lucky he didn't call her his husband.

Nunu5 · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?

That graph doesn't look too bad for the Tories.

Stuartinromford · June 23

TheScreamingEagles said:
FPT

Sandpit said:
Random question. Does anyone know why the Spanish national anthem is an instrumental piece, with no words?

It is one of four national anthems that doesn't have any lyrics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcha_Real

During the mad pendulum years that led to Franco, it kept having new fash/non fash lyrics with each regime change.

Going wordless after 1978 was also very on-brand; "pact of forgetting" and all that.

More recently, there have been attempts and competitions to find lyrics, but they've been awful. It's not easy for democracies to choose national symbols democratically; it's too self-referential.

nico679 · June 23

RochdalePioneers said:

PedestrianRock said:
Afternoon all!

Sunak vs Starmer on 26 June in head to head format.

We all assume that pretty much nothing can save the Tories from defeat now - the question is the scale of it.

Do we think that Sunak might go for the ‘stop the supermajority’ angle?

We’ve seen cabinet members do it but seeing Sunak do it in a head to head would be quite something, so I doubt it?
"I have lost this election. You want me out. That's fine. I will resign the leadership on 5th July. So this isn't about me. Its about you. Do you want to give this man [points] a blank cheque? The ability to do all the things he wants to do but doesn't dare tell you about?"

If he says that I’d expect the Tories to get even less seats . Admitting you’ve lost already and then delivering that desperate attempt to look like he’s so worried about the poor British public will be met with derision.

IanB2 · June 23

MarqueeMark said:
Anyway, it has stopped drizzling and I can return to delivering leaflets, rather than a handful of mush.

Laters.

Drizzling? There isn't a cloud in the sky, and the sun beats down...

biggles · June 23

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.

Oh come on, that’s tongue in cheek. The bit I would question is photographing a vote.

Stark_Dawning · June 23

MarqueeMark said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.
IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.

The Tories' problem is that they let IDS run things when it came to Brexit. Tricky to proclaim the bloke an idiot on one major issue but a seer on another.

Cookie · June 23

Stark_Dawning said:

MarqueeMark said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.
IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.
The Tories' problem is that they let IDS run things when it came to Brexit. Tricky to proclaim the bloke an idiot on one major issue but a seer on another.

It is, however, true of many people who are good on one subject that they are absolute blithering idiots on many others.

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

Cookie said:

Stark_Dawning said:

MarqueeMark said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.
IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.
The Tories' problem is that they let IDS run things when it came to Brexit. Tricky to proclaim the bloke an idiot on one major issue but a seer on another.
It is, however, true of many people who are good on one subject that they are absolute blithering idiots on many others.

See Lord Sumption as the perfect example.

Superb jurist but terrible epidemiologist.

Stark_Dawning · June 23

Cookie said:

Stark_Dawning said:

MarqueeMark said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.
IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.
The Tories' problem is that they let IDS run things when it came to Brexit. Tricky to proclaim the bloke an idiot on one major issue but a seer on another.
It is, however, true of many people who are good on one subject that they are absolute blithering idiots on many others.

True, but I'd go with IDS being a blithering idiot over both Iraq and Brexit. That feels about right.

noneoftheabove · June 23

Cookie said:

Stark_Dawning said:

MarqueeMark said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Iraqis we helped cause.

Whatever else you can lay at the door of this Government, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - will ever come close to that obscenity from your "greatest government".
The Tories supported the Iraq War.

It was the LibDems who opposed it.
IDS supported it.

Ken Clark did not.
The Tories' problem is that they let IDS run things when it came to Brexit. Tricky to proclaim the bloke an idiot on one major issue but a seer on another.
It is, however, true of many people who are good on one subject that they are absolute blithering idiots on many others.

Its hardly surprising. You wouldn't take a surgeoun and put him in charge of designing aircraft or vice versa without any training or time to adjust. Yet we move minister from post to post almost on an annual basis somehow hoping they know it all.

Mexicanpete · June 23

MarqueeMark said:
Anyway, it has stopped drizzling and I can return to delivering leaflets, rather than a handful of mush.

Laters.

Don't worry about the soggy leaflets, no harm done. Nobody reads them anyway.

I had an "Abolish the Senedd" party campaign leaflet. There was a nice picture of a red MK2 Jag on it. I didn't read it.

Foxy · June 23

A bit of election Anecdata. Lots of cars and people helping Vaz out at his offices on Humberstone Rd, Webbes office looks deserted again.

Casino_Royale · June 23

Ugh. Mandelson.

It's like he never left.

Taz · June 23

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

Well to the Tories credit they stopped and started to reverse that trend.

Scott_xP · June 23

@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095

another_richard · June 23

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?

How about number of NHS employees ?

Scott_xP · June 23

@BethRigby
Betting scandal crisis deepens: Many more people than Tories already identified being investigated by gambling regulator re bets on election date. Watchdog widened inquiries to investigate whether people with inside knowledge may have asked third party to place bet

https://x.com/BethRigby/status/1804870949063286791

Taz · June 23

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?
Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.

That is just managing the metric. It’s not a good thing to do but you can understand why they did it. Probably because it’s a duff metric but the public wanted it. All businesses do it as well.

noneoftheabove · June 23

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095

Fake news, if they are talking about betting rather than their own wacky plans it is reducing the rate at which they plunge in the polls.

RobD · June 23

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095

That’s not yet another person, that’s the chief data officer that was reported on yesterday or earlier today.

No_Offence_Alan · June 23

Taz said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?
Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.
That is just managing the metric. It’s not a good thing to do but you can understand why they did it. Probably because it’s a duff metric but the public wanted it. All businesses do it as well.

"Once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".

another_richard · June 23

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

Mr Brown said: "I will not allow house prices to get out of control and put at risk the sustainability of the future." He said he was determined that the UK should not return to the "instability, speculation and negative equity" of the 1980s and 1990s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/budget97/live/housing.shtml

Well we didn't have banks going bankrupt in the 1980s and 1990s.

IanB2 · June 23

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095

Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!

RobD · June 23

Scott_xP said:
@BethRigby
Betting scandal crisis deepens: Many more people than Tories already identified being investigated by gambling regulator re bets on election date. Watchdog widened inquiries to investigate whether people with inside knowledge may have asked third party to place bet

https://x.com/BethRigby/status/1804870949063286791

Let me guess, they’ll leak a name a day until election day?

Eabhal · June 23

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!

I'll visit you in prison. Make it Saughton, easier for me.

IanB2 · June 23

No_Offence_Alan said:

Taz said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?
Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.
That is just managing the metric. It’s not a good thing to do but you can understand why they did it. Probably because it’s a duff metric but the public wanted it. All businesses do it as well.
"Once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".

Absolutely. The classic example being the Soviet hospital targeted to reduce the number of patients dying on the wards, who took their patients out on trolleys into the street when the end looked near.

There is almost always a proper way and an easier way to achieve any given target.

kinabalu · June 23

No_Offence_Alan said:

Taz said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?
Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.
That is just managing the metric. It’s not a good thing to do but you can understand why they did it. Probably because it’s a duff metric but the public wanted it. All businesses do it as well.
"Once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".

Targets belong to archery imo.

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!

I am expecting to be contacted.

Scott_xP · June 23

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
That’s not yet another person, that’s the chief data officer that was reported on yesterday or earlier today.

https://x.com/mocent0/status/1804877149075107894

MattW · June 23

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.

That seems a peculiar comment.

It's just a normal expression.

AlsoLei · June 23

Foxy said:
Interesting that Sunak is a spread bettor. I wonder what he got on Tory seats.

https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1804622827884069318?t=-9qJbxZdt1B5GkuWzyol_g&s=19

Maybe it's because of this, maybe it's the £1,000 wager with Piers Morgan, but I've heard lots of people talking about the possibility of Rishi having bet on the election date.

There's no way he'd have been that stupid, but if it turns out that he's had any bets on finance or politics during his time at the Treasury or as PM, then it's going to look unbelievably bad for him.

It seems unlikely, but then I'd have said the same about the three (or is it now four?) members of the Tory campaign team who've been caught betting on things that they were in a position to influence.

IanB2 · June 23

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!
I am expecting to be contacted.

With your Tory connections, you are quite obviously guilty.

williamglenn · June 23

Scott_xP said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
That’s not yet another person, that’s the chief data officer that was reported on yesterday or earlier today.

https://x.com/mocent0/status/1804877149075107894

They should have introduced corporate sponsorship to government:

- The Border Agency - sponsored by RyanAir
- The Electoral Commission - sponsored by PaddyPower

Nunu5 · June 23

No, there will not be a historic swing rightwards for trump with young people

https://x.com/Taniel/status/1804876523444347350

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

IanB2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!
I am expecting to be contacted.
With your Tory connections, you are quite obviously guilty.

A few members of the current members of the cabinet follow me on Twitter and I have the phone number of at least one member of the current cabinet.

My defence will be I backed a July election going back to March and my bets on May 21st were following the news.

Benpointer · June 23

MattW said:

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.
That seems a peculiar comment.

It's just a normal expression.

No, it really isn't; it's derogatory, demeaning and very dated.

Edit: In the context of the tweet, it's clearly meant to be humorous. I don't think he's got a career ahead of him as stand-up comic though.

Casino_Royale · June 23

Ugh. Mandelson.

It's like he never left.

Scott_xP said:
@BethRigby
Betting scandal crisis deepens: Many more people than Tories already identified being investigated by gambling regulator re bets on election date. Watchdog widened inquiries to investigate whether people with inside knowledge may have asked third party to place bet

https://x.com/BethRigby/status/1804870949063286791

Well, it's definitely not me as I had a flaming red next to June/July/August on the markets, and laid it more when the rumours were flying.

I took Sunak at his word and assumed he wouldn't be psychotic enough to call an early election.

Nunu5 · June 23

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
That’s not yet another person, that’s the chief data officer that was reported on yesterday or earlier today.

Yes, but he's no small fry.

RobD · June 23

Nunu5 said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
That’s not yet another person, that’s the chief data officer that was reported on yesterday or earlier today.
Yes, but he's no small fry.

Indeed, i.e. should have known better.

DecrepiterJohnL · June 23

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

I too like graphs. Shall we do waiting lists?
Labour were famous for manipulating the stats with things like preventing people from booking appointments in advance.

Cock-up, not conspiracy. Labour had not realised that sometimes people want appointments a long way in advance (eg stitches out; babies out) when it implemented its programme to have patients seen in two days. You will remember the programme where the audience tries to explain it to Tony Blair.

williamglenn · June 23

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!
I am expecting to be contacted.

As an expert witness?

AlsoLei · June 23

biggles said:

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.
Oh come on, that’s tongue in cheek. The bit I would question is photographing a vote.

Does the 2d barcode at the bottom left encode the serial number? If so, her vote should surely be invalidated...

MisterBedfordshire · June 23

Not often that Peter's Mandelson and Hitchens agree on something.

kle4 · June 23

I was reading the lastest short book by the person behind the Darth Putin account, and its interesting how in writing it he apparently had to approach things from a different direction.

'How to Tankie' was written by an unreliable narrator from the viewpoint of someone from the far left. Individuals like that on Darth's timeline are often smug, arrogant, self-righteous know-it-all-know-nothing hypocrites whose views lead them into moral blackholes, but few of them seem to want to be Putin - they just want to let others be ruled or murdered by him.

To write this book [the Darth Putin Guide to Master Strategy] I had instead to put myself into the shoes of a far right/alt-right type, as they seem to not only like Putin, but they also want to be like him.

Taz · June 23

Someone has used AI to create a Country and Western song about Hawk Tuah girl.

https://x.com/tarabull808/status/1804270697218552267?s=61

kle4 · June 23

Casino_Royale said:
Ugh. Mandelson.

It's like he never left.

There are not many people from the pre-2010 days still around and meaningfully active at a senior level to try to get back into relevance under a Starmer government, so the few that are will be heard from a lot.

DecrepiterJohnL · June 23

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The Labour Government of 1997 to 2010 is the greatest government this country has had since WW2.
This graph says otherwise. Look at the dates.

Mr Brown said: "I will not allow house prices to get out of control and put at risk the sustainability of the future." He said he was determined that the UK should not return to the "instability, speculation and negative equity" of the 1980s and 1990s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/budget97/live/housing.shtml

Well we didn't have banks going bankrupt in the 1980s and 1990s.

Nick Leeson just texted me and sayed it wasn't him who brought down BCCI or caused the small banks crisis.

Foxy · June 23

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!
I am expecting to be contacted.
With your Tory connections, you are quite obviously guilty.
A few members of the current members of the cabinet follow me on Twitter and I have the phone number of at least one member of the current cabinet.

My defence will be I backed a July election going back to March and my bets on May 21st were following the news.

I am green on July, but only because I put a fair bit on Q3 expecting a September election, so in the right place for the wrong reason.

Dumbosaurus · June 23

Casino_Royale said:
Ugh. Mandelson.

It's like he never left.
Scott_xP said:
@BethRigby
Betting scandal crisis deepens: Many more people than Tories already identified being investigated by gambling regulator re bets on election date. Watchdog widened inquiries to investigate whether people with inside knowledge may have asked third party to place bet

https://x.com/BethRigby/status/1804870949063286791
Well, it's definitely not me as I had a flaming red next to June/July/August on the markets, and laid it more when the rumours were flying.

I took Sunak at his word and assumed he wouldn't be psychotic enough to call an early election.

He stuck to his word. 4th July is second half of the year

I've no idea if I'll be investigated or not, I had bets on but they were placed on the 5th and 6th of October. If I am contacted, being squeaky clean and disliking the Gambling Commision, I will either ignore it or troll them.

Benpointer · June 23

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!

Those who bet before 21st May will probably be fine; those who bet on 21st will probably face a fine:

TheScreamingEagles · June 23

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:
@PippaCrerar

Senior Tory official becomes FOURTH party figure subject to gambling watchdog investigation…

With reports of “many more” cases being looked at (though unclear yet if they have Tory links) election betting scandal now undermining party’s campaign…

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1804860626742690095
Somewhere there will be a few innocent punters who just happened to put a few quid on July that same day, who will now get dragged into being suspects in this growing investigation!
I am expecting to be contacted.
As an expert witness?

Undoubtedly.

Although when asked I may blame it all on Lord Finklestein.

There is one certainty in life, I would not do well in prison.

noneoftheabove · June 23

MattW said:

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:
Very bizarre tweet from Jeremy Hunt:

https://x.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1804849296799420592
Referring to his wife as "the wife" is not a good look.
That seems a peculiar comment.

It's just a normal expression.

Might be regional. Is normalish lots of places but generally a bit Partridge in my experience.

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