Why do some right wing Tory MPs want to overturn a democratic vote? – politicalbetting.com
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Every month, not every week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Steady on....we would be having a GE every other week like Holland or Belgium. I am not sure I could take such excitement.Benpointer said:
Similarly if the PM is replaced by their party there should be a GE within 12 months.FrancisUrquhart said:I have always believed if you want to change party as an MP you must stand for re-election unless the GE is say a maximum of a year away.
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The run of polls since a like for like Tory increase is now at 42, that's way way beyond a statistical anomaly, it suggests a complete implosion of the campaign, the support, anyone coming back, anything. From 'can they get back to 30' they look shy of 20. I've never seen such a dreadful campaign, such a dearth of desire to help them out. They simply have nothing left to offer. They are laid bare and its an horrific sight.Northern_Al said:
HYUFD: Tories are clear second, still time to close the gap with Labour.HYUFD said:
Tories still 5% ahead of Reform and a clear second though. I agree however that the final Starmer v Sunak debate next week at 9pm on BBC1 is crucial for Rishi to close the gap with Labour before polling daywooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
https://x.com/focaldataHQ/status/1803059872390353022?s=19
Everybody else: Tories are fucked.
Brilliant HYUFD, truly indefatigable.1 -
Your return on saving means you are encouraging others into debt, so facilitating the eighth deadliest sin, just saying.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised by parents who believed that debt (other than a mortgage) was the eighth deadliest sin, I cannot help be a saver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Every once in a while the mask slips and I don't really like what I see. Its certainly not something Blair or Mandelson said or thought.TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/0 -
HYUFD voted Remain, which itself makes his Toryness highly suspect!HYUFD said:
Bart also voted for New Labour in 2001 when Tory loyalists like me were campaigning for Hague as I am now campaigning still for Sunak's Tories, voting Labour is not an entirely new thing for himMexicanpete said:
You are thus in big trouble with HY. Do you really want to be accused of being an apologist for socialism over the next 27 years?BartholomewRoberts said:
Lending my vote to the Labour Party.Anabobazina said:
Afternoon, Bart. Have you decided how you are voting?BartholomewRoberts said:Also TSE is normally sensible but in this post he's surely in the wrong?
if the Tories and Reform remain fractured and trying to outdo each other on an extreme right wing agenda then Labour will easily win a second term.
Not on a second term, Labour will almost definitely easily win a second term either way, but on the implication of it being bad for the Tories for there to be a fracture between Tories and Reform.
Worst possible news is if that "fracture" is "healed" and the Tories and Reform merge. Best news is if Reform-leading extremists bugger off and leave the Tories and the Tories can focus on regaining the centre-ground and becoming a big tent once more.
Just as the Corbynites fracturing and heading to the Greens was good news for Labour.
Only party pledging more housing and reform of our planning system. Though they're not remotely going far enough for me, they at least are grasping what the problem is.
Still don't like Labour economics and I expect the party will do many things I dislike, but so does what I still consider to be own party in the Tories so I'm not voting for them this year.0 -
If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.1 -
One way traffic with them all since Jun 3LostPassword said:
Focaldata are like Deltapoll - only recording falls in Tory support during the campaign. 26, 25, 24 and now 21.wooliedyed said:
Yes and big drops with some pollsters. They need some 'improving' polling or I think sub 20% is becoming likely. I think 25% looks realistically best expectation if the pollsters are getting turnout rightLostPassword said:
Ooft. I've made my prediction now, and I'm sticking to it, but the last few polls have been awful for the Tories.wooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
https://x.com/focaldataHQ/status/1803059872390353022?s=19
There have been eight polls since the YouGov crossover poll. Labour have been up in three, down in three, unchanged in two. The Tories have been down in six and unchanged in two.
At this stage it looks like only Theresa May stands between Rishi Sunak and the worst election campaign in history.0 -
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.
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I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.2 -
If the target is CGT then most voters need not worry. How many individuals in the UK ever pay a penny of CGT?Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
I don’t know what percentile I belong to income and wealth wise, but I do know I am unlikely ever to need to check what the CGT rate is.3 -
How many people max out their ISA allowances? How many would notice if the maximum were halved to 10k a year, for example?Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.0 -
Isn't there a story about an old newspaper proprietor not knowing what a mortgage was, and being horrified to discover most of his staff were heavily in debt?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised by parents who believed that debt (other than a mortgage) was the eighth deadliest sin, I cannot help be a saver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Every once in a while the mask slips and I don't really like what I see. Its certainly not something Blair or Mandelson said or thought.TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/0 -
So he won't raise taxes on your work, as you're a worker, not an idler. You're allowed a bit of sick leave. But don't take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.1 -
The top ISA allowance is a funny one. If it is just a bone thrown to the idle rich, cut it. But if it is genuinely intended to encourage saving over expenditure then it has to be pitched at that sort of level to grab the well-paid middle classes who have paid off the mortgage and would otherwise spend £10,000 or more on an exotic holiday or new car.TimS said:
How many people max out their ISA allowances? How many would notice if the maximum were halved to 10k a year, for example?Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.0 -
Too late. The time to phase out ISAs was when cash ISAs were paying 0.2% gross.TimS said:
How many people max out their ISA allowances? How many would notice if the maximum were halved to 10k a year, for example?Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.1 -
As reported by that unbiased beacon of TRUTH … The Daily TelegraphTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
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The British ISA gimmick from Hunt was stupid.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Council tax at the topTOPPING said:He has to go for CGT rather than council tax because CGT is paid by other people and council tax is paid by all of us.
To confuse those two demographics before an election is a very dangerous move. No matter your lead in the polls.
The top ISA allowance is a funny one. If it is just a bone thrown to the idle rich, cut it. But if it is genuinely intended to encourage saving over expenditure then it has to be pitched at that sort of level to grab the well-paid middle classes who have paid off the mortgage and would otherwise spend £10,000 or more on an exotic holiday or new car.TimS said:
How many people max out their ISA allowances? How many would notice if the maximum were halved to 10k a year, for example?Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.1 -
I'm on full salary whilst I idle, during the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election campaign, life is AWESOME, I hope Sir Keir doesn't ruin it for me.Northern_Al said:
So he won't raise taxes on your work, as you're a worker, not an idler. You're allowed a bit of sick leave. But don't take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.1 -
Well everyone is 'lending' their vote in that sense. I thought you might be planning to ask for it back the next day.BartholomewRoberts said:
Of course I can, at the next election I get it back to vote for whomever I choose to vote for next time.kinabalu said:
What's this "lending" business? You can't have it back, you know.BartholomewRoberts said:
Lending my vote to the Labour Party.Anabobazina said:
Afternoon, Bart. Have you decided how you are voting?BartholomewRoberts said:Also TSE is normally sensible but in this post he's surely in the wrong?
if the Tories and Reform remain fractured and trying to outdo each other on an extreme right wing agenda then Labour will easily win a second term.
Not on a second term, Labour will almost definitely easily win a second term either way, but on the implication of it being bad for the Tories for there to be a fracture between Tories and Reform.
Worst possible news is if that "fracture" is "healed" and the Tories and Reform merge. Best news is if Reform-leading extremists bugger off and leave the Tories and the Tories can focus on regaining the centre-ground and becoming a big tent once more.
Just as the Corbynites fracturing and heading to the Greens was good news for Labour.
Only party pledging more housing and reform of our planning system. Though they're not remotely going far enough for me, they at least are grasping what the problem is.
Still don't like Labour economics and I expect the party will do many things I dislike, but so does what I still consider to be own party in the Tories so I'm not voting for them this year.
Ok, all is clear now.0 -
George Osborne had a term for people like you ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm on full salary whilst I idle, during the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election campaign, life is AWESOME, I hope Sir Keir doesn't ruin it for me.Northern_Al said:
So he won't raise taxes on your work, as you're a worker, not an idler. You're allowed a bit of sick leave. But don't take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.1 -
There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice1
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There are lots of ways to increase CGT:TimS said:
If the target is CGT then most voters need not worry. How many individuals in the UK ever pay a penny of CGT?Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
I don’t know what percentile I belong to income and wealth wise, but I do know I am unlikely ever to need to check what the CGT rate is.
Raise the rates
Align with income tax (so that's raised the rates)
Extend the scope. Limit/eliminate any reliefs
Reduce the allowance
Lots of ideas for Rachel and her team to work on through the summer ready for Special Financial Statement Sept 20241 -
Given its apparent lying and insi9nuating about satellites in Wales, I don't hold much more faith in the insinuations of this new story, though others evidently have infinitely more faith than I do.Heathener said:
As reported by that unbiased beacon of TRUTH … The Daily TelegraphTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/0 -
staffedkinabalu said:
This is true. Eg I'll usually choose a manned checkoutAndy_JS said:
Some people like to interact with actual people rather than doing everything on computers/phones.TOPPING said:
You what? What age do you suppose a large chunk of the PB demographic is (clue: 55+). Are you really saying that such a vital part of PB's contributing force is unable to transfer money or, indeed, buy a Tesco's Meal Deal using the latest technology?eek said:
Yes especially for people who are 55+ and so not used to doing complex things online.TOPPING said:I think we need @Anabobazina's view on this banking hub policy announcement. Lab's one builds on one from the Cons earlier in the year. Are we really saying that "bankless towns" is an issue out there?
The awkward bit is that many things will still be impossible because (for example) a big BACS transaction will require a secondary authorization that may not be possible in branch
Perhaps 80+ and even then my 94-yr old mother has two banking apps on her phone and hasn't needed to go to a branch in years.1 -
The best is being put on gardening leave. Have had one where I was made to work three months of my notice and then booted out for three months fully paid and two six month periods all covering the summer.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm on full salary whilst I idle, during the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election campaign, life is AWESOME, I hope Sir Keir doesn't ruin it for me.Northern_Al said:
So he won't raise taxes on your work, as you're a worker, not an idler. You're allowed a bit of sick leave. But don't take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.0 -
Like my grandparents.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised by parents who believed that debt (other than a mortgage) was the eighth deadliest sin, I cannot help be a saver.FrancisUrquhart said:
Every once in a while the mask slips and I don't really like what I see. Its certainly not something Blair or Mandelson said or thought.TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/2 -
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons1 -
How about the Guardian?Carnyx said:
Given its apparent lying about drones in Wales, I don't hold much more faith in the insinuations of this new story, though others evidently have infinitely more faith than I do.Heathener said:
As reported by that unbiased beacon of TRUTH … The Daily TelegraphTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Starmer declines to commit to council tax not going up under Labour
Starmer refuses to say council tax will not go up under Labour.
But he says none of Labour’s plans require tax rises, above those announced.
Ferrari says he has ruled out putting up taxes like income tax and VAT. So, if he is not ruling out council tax going up, people will assume it is.
He asks what Starmer means by a working person, when he says he does not want to put up taxes for working people. Is Simon Cowell a working person?
Starmer says he is thinking of people who cannot afford just to write a cheque when they have an unexpected cost, and who rely on public services.
The person I have in my mind when I say working people is people who earn their living, rely on our services, and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/18/labour-conservatives-tories-general-election-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-politics-live?page=with:block-667131558f08b9304b8399f9&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation0 -
Sort of thing thta happens when one gets a windfall and doesn't want to spend it all - inheritance, redundancy, a downsizing house sale, and so on. Perhaps commonest is retirement. But other reasons include legal compensation.TimS said:
How many people max out their ISA allowances? How many would notice if the maximum were halved to 10k a year, for example?Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.
One can easily envisage someone in that position needing several years to shift savings to an ISA.0 -
Theresa won 317 seats in the end!LostPassword said:
Focaldata are like Deltapoll - only recording falls in Tory support during the campaign. 26, 25, 24 and now 21.wooliedyed said:
Yes and big drops with some pollsters. They need some 'improving' polling or I think sub 20% is becoming likely. I think 25% looks realistically best expectation if the pollsters are getting turnout rightLostPassword said:
Ooft. I've made my prediction now, and I'm sticking to it, but the last few polls have been awful for the Tories.wooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
https://x.com/focaldataHQ/status/1803059872390353022?s=19
There have been eight polls since the YouGov crossover poll. Labour have been up in three, down in three, unchanged in two. The Tories have been down in six and unchanged in two.
At this stage it looks like only Theresa May stands between Rishi Sunak and the worst election campaign in history.
Over to you, Rishi
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Sunak will get about 300 fewer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Theresa won 317 seats in the end!LostPassword said:
Focaldata are like Deltapoll - only recording falls in Tory support during the campaign. 26, 25, 24 and now 21.wooliedyed said:
Yes and big drops with some pollsters. They need some 'improving' polling or I think sub 20% is becoming likely. I think 25% looks realistically best expectation if the pollsters are getting turnout rightLostPassword said:
Ooft. I've made my prediction now, and I'm sticking to it, but the last few polls have been awful for the Tories.wooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
https://x.com/focaldataHQ/status/1803059872390353022?s=19
There have been eight polls since the YouGov crossover poll. Labour have been up in three, down in three, unchanged in two. The Tories have been down in six and unchanged in two.
At this stage it looks like only Theresa May stands between Rishi Sunak and the worst election campaign in history.
Over to you, Rishi0 -
So Focaldata producing fock all comfort for the Conservatives.wooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
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Exactly. You can't. It's irrevocable. This, btw, is why I'm so concerned about Leon's malicious threats to vote Labour. If he were to do that it sits there forever, spoiling everything.Selebian said:
Oh! How do I 'change' my vote then, if it's a brand spanking new one at each election and the old one is set forever?kinabalu said:
No, that's a different one. This one you will never see again. If it's Labour it stays that way for all eternity. I just wanted to make sure Bart realized this*. I'm a Red through and through but we don't want to be getting votes under false pretences.Selebian said:
Hang on, we get it back after (at most) five years, don't we?kinabalu said:
What's this "lending" business? You can't have it back, you know.BartholomewRoberts said:
Lending my vote to the Labour Party.Anabobazina said:
Afternoon, Bart. Have you decided how you are voting?BartholomewRoberts said:Also TSE is normally sensible but in this post he's surely in the wrong?
if the Tories and Reform remain fractured and trying to outdo each other on an extreme right wing agenda then Labour will easily win a second term.
Not on a second term, Labour will almost definitely easily win a second term either way, but on the implication of it being bad for the Tories for there to be a fracture between Tories and Reform.
Worst possible news is if that "fracture" is "healed" and the Tories and Reform merge. Best news is if Reform-leading extremists bugger off and leave the Tories and the Tories can focus on regaining the centre-ground and becoming a big tent once more.
Just as the Corbynites fracturing and heading to the Greens was good news for Labour.
Only party pledging more housing and reform of our planning system. Though they're not remotely going far enough for me, they at least are grasping what the problem is.
Still don't like Labour economics and I expect the party will do many things I dislike, but so does what I still consider to be own party in the Tories so I'm not voting for them this year.
Although without interest and somewhat devalued given population inflation
* Edit: I've seen his reply now and it appears he does.1 -
They've rocked up with the bally oppositePeter_the_Punter said:
So Focaldata producing fock all comfort for the Conservatives.wooliedyed said:📊 NEW: Labour's lead climbs to campaign high. Focaldata
Labour: 43% (+1)
Conservative: 21% (-3)
Reform UK: 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats: 10% (+1)
Green: 5% (-)
Fieldwork conducted 14–17 June
2,604 respondents (GB)
They are so utterly fucked 42 polls since a like for like increase
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Richi emerges from the bunker to campaign in a seat the Tories currently hold with a majority of 25,000...
Not so much damage limitation as desperation3 -
On the same logic he could be putting up dog licences from 7/6 to £100 pa (£1500 for XL Bullies, £750 for S/M Bullies).TheScreamingEagles said:
How about the Guardian?Carnyx said:
Given its apparent lying about drones in Wales, I don't hold much more faith in the insinuations of this new story, though others evidently have infinitely more faith than I do.Heathener said:
As reported by that unbiased beacon of TRUTH … The Daily TelegraphTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Starmer declines to commit to council tax not going up under Labour
Starmer refuses to say council tax will not go up under Labour.
But he says none of Labour’s plans require tax rises, above those announced.
Ferrari says he has ruled out putting up taxes like income tax and VAT. So, if he is not ruling out council tax going up, people will assume it is.
He asks what Starmer means by a working person, when he says he does not want to put up taxes for working people. Is Simon Cowell a working person?
Starmer says he is thinking of people who cannot afford just to write a cheque when they have an unexpected cost, and who rely on public services.
The person I have in my mind when I say working people is people who earn their living, rely on our services, and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/18/labour-conservatives-tories-general-election-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-politics-live?page=with:block-667131558f08b9304b8399f9&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation3 -
O/T
Love this guy's YouTube videos on language.
"'Time' in Different Cultures
Simon Roper"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoblZjqqjgk1 -
Only for racist fascists. Farage is just an egotistical twat, like his friend Trump, and co-defendant for destroyer of the Conservative Party, Boris Buffoon Johnson. There will be gullible muppets who fall for his nonsense, but they are generally fools who believe in aliens and conspiracy theories about AI (the latter of which they do not understand)Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons1 -
David Warner says, Rishi, hold my beer....
I am only player to take 'flak' for ball-tampering - Warner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c3gg0q8w0wwo0 -
We really are not.Stark_Dawning said:
Whatever way you cut it though it looks like a Thrift Tax - those who've 'saved for a rainy day' get clobbered while the feckless get protected. Rishi's speech writes itself:Benpointer said:
Er... that's 'and' not 'or'. Logic 101 fail there TSE (and the Torygraph obvs).TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
Bring it on - those like me who do not work for a living currently pay a lower proportion of their income in taxes than those who earn the same amount working. That cannot be right.
I warn you not to have savings. I warn you not get a mortgage. I warn you not to have a pension, an ISA or a cheque book.
Sir Keir needs to clarify this and sharpish. We're in Theresa's 'Dementia Tax' territory here.
Everybody knows taxes will rise whoever forms the next government. The Tories pledges on taxes are hollower than a balloon, given their record.1 -
How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??0
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Good luck with that!Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
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Had that experience then ended up staying.boulay said:
The best is being put on gardening leave. Have had one where I was made to work three months of my notice and then booted out for three months fully paid and two six month periods all covering the summer.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm on full salary whilst I idle, during the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election campaign, life is AWESOME, I hope Sir Keir doesn't ruin it for me.Northern_Al said:
So he won't raise taxes on your work, as you're a worker, not an idler. You're allowed a bit of sick leave. But don't take the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not an idler.Northern_Al said:If Starmer plans to raise taxes for rich idlers rather than working people, that sounds fine by me.
I find it strange how everybody bar none says "Labour will have to raise taxes" but then shouts "not those taxes", whatever they may be.
Well technically I am at the moment whilst I recover from surgery but normally I am not an idler.1 -
I am. He is Plaid, just as Bart is BXP. Those votes live on.TOPPING said:
Wait, so you are saying @HYUFD isn't getting his Plaid vote back.kinabalu said:
No, that's a different one. This one you will never see again. If it's Labour it stays that way for all eternity. I just wanted to make sure Bart realized this*. I'm a Red through and through but we don't want to be getting votes under false pretences.Selebian said:
Hang on, we get it back after (at most) five years, don't we?kinabalu said:
What's this "lending" business? You can't have it back, you know.BartholomewRoberts said:
Lending my vote to the Labour Party.Anabobazina said:
Afternoon, Bart. Have you decided how you are voting?BartholomewRoberts said:Also TSE is normally sensible but in this post he's surely in the wrong?
if the Tories and Reform remain fractured and trying to outdo each other on an extreme right wing agenda then Labour will easily win a second term.
Not on a second term, Labour will almost definitely easily win a second term either way, but on the implication of it being bad for the Tories for there to be a fracture between Tories and Reform.
Worst possible news is if that "fracture" is "healed" and the Tories and Reform merge. Best news is if Reform-leading extremists bugger off and leave the Tories and the Tories can focus on regaining the centre-ground and becoming a big tent once more.
Just as the Corbynites fracturing and heading to the Greens was good news for Labour.
Only party pledging more housing and reform of our planning system. Though they're not remotely going far enough for me, they at least are grasping what the problem is.
Still don't like Labour economics and I expect the party will do many things I dislike, but so does what I still consider to be own party in the Tories so I'm not voting for them this year.
Although without interest and somewhat devalued given population inflation
* Edit: I've seen his reply now and it appears he does.0 -
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.1 -
Very interesting prog on opinion polls on Radio 4 now0
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ins'allahSouthamObserver said:
Good luck with that!Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons0 -
Are you saying that Starmer did not classify "working people" in this way?Heathener said:
As reported by that unbiased beacon of TRUTH … The Daily TelegraphTheScreamingEagles said:Ugh.
Sir Keir Starmer has opened the door to tax rises for millions of Britons by defining a working person as someone who relies on public services and doesn’t have savings.
The Labour leader has repeatedly ruled out putting up taxes on what he calls “working people” who he says have borne the brunt of the cost of living crisis.
Asked what he meant by the term, he said it refers to “people who earn their living, rely on our services and don’t really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble”.
His definition means millions of Britons including pensioners, savers, and those who use private services like healthcare may not be covered by his tax rise pledge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/starmer-leaves-door-open-to-tax-rises-for-millions/
I must say I was intrigued by the lawyerly usage of "working people" as a regularly used phrase. I thought it might be a dog whistle to class obsessed socialists on the left. Now we know that it is the electoral equivalent of "I did not have sexual relations...."0 -
We could really use some regional polling. That now may be the decider between general wipeout and 'pockets of resistance'1
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Not sure that's going to happen but 5.9 is clearly value.wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdoutwooliedyed said:We could really use some regional polling. That now may be the decider between general wipeout and 'pockets of resistance'
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Are you happy for a fascist to take over a party that you are committed to?HYUFD said:
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.0 -
Labour hitting Basingstoke again? Easy gain. Better fruit to pick0
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He's not getting his Brexit vote back either, poor chap. At least not for a year or three.kinabalu said:
I am. He is Plaid, just as Bart is BXP. Those votes live on.TOPPING said:
Wait, so you are saying @HYUFD isn't getting his Plaid vote back.kinabalu said:
No, that's a different one. This one you will never see again. If it's Labour it stays that way for all eternity. I just wanted to make sure Bart realized this*. I'm a Red through and through but we don't want to be getting votes under false pretences.Selebian said:
Hang on, we get it back after (at most) five years, don't we?kinabalu said:
What's this "lending" business? You can't have it back, you know.BartholomewRoberts said:
Lending my vote to the Labour Party.Anabobazina said:
Afternoon, Bart. Have you decided how you are voting?BartholomewRoberts said:Also TSE is normally sensible but in this post he's surely in the wrong?
if the Tories and Reform remain fractured and trying to outdo each other on an extreme right wing agenda then Labour will easily win a second term.
Not on a second term, Labour will almost definitely easily win a second term either way, but on the implication of it being bad for the Tories for there to be a fracture between Tories and Reform.
Worst possible news is if that "fracture" is "healed" and the Tories and Reform merge. Best news is if Reform-leading extremists bugger off and leave the Tories and the Tories can focus on regaining the centre-ground and becoming a big tent once more.
Just as the Corbynites fracturing and heading to the Greens was good news for Labour.
Only party pledging more housing and reform of our planning system. Though they're not remotely going far enough for me, they at least are grasping what the problem is.
Still don't like Labour economics and I expect the party will do many things I dislike, but so does what I still consider to be own party in the Tories so I'm not voting for them this year.
Although without interest and somewhat devalued given population inflation
* Edit: I've seen his reply now and it appears he does.1 -
i don't actually want Farage to run the country, I think he is a divisive and often unsavoury character, albeit one gifted with charisma and great political cunning. I am also certain he'd be a dreadful PM. I am merely making a prediction. The Tories, by moving so far to the Left - highest taxes since the war, highest migration in history - have opened up an enormous gap in British politics. We can see from Europe and America that these gaps get filled, politics abhors a vacuum, and the hard right is in the ascendant everywhereNigel_Foremain said:
Only for racist fascists. Farage is just an egotistical twat, like his friend Trump, and co-defendant for destroyer of the Conservative Party, Boris Buffoon Johnson. There will be gullible muppets who fall for his nonsense, but they are generally fools who believe in aliens and conspiracy theories about AI (the latter of which they do not understand)Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
Labour are likely to fail, because their recipe will be more wokeness, more taxes, more migration, and it's not gonna be popular (after an initial honeymoon)
The populist right will then benefit. It might not be Farage that personally leads this, he is knocking on already and will be 65 at the next GE. But someone will come along0 -
If the Tories fall to third place all this will not matter.0
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Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons3 -
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
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You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons-1 -
Perceptive, aren't I. Bit spooky.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons0 -
Such extraordinary analysis. I feel quite moved.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons1 -
He's not a Fascist, this is ludicrous hyperbole. Farage may well be a twat and something of a demagogue, but a fascist? PleaseNigel_Foremain said:
Are you happy for a fascist to take over a party that you are committed to?HYUFD said:
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.
In living memory Europe suffered from actual fascists, you insult those memories with this piffle0 -
He can be leader - if it's Ratnered, no one will vote for it, just like no one shopped in Ratner's and it had to be shut down. The centre right can come back with a new name - just like Ratner's did.HYUFD said:
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.0 -
You, and the rest of the country seem to have forgotten that the taxes that are currently so high are in large part due to the expenditure of the pandemic combined with the stupidity of Brexit. I don't know whether you argued against the former but you certainly endorsed the latter. To suggest Rishi Sunak is of the left is ludicrous.Leon said:
i don't actually want Farage to run the country, I think he is a divisive and often unsavoury character, albeit one gifted with charisma and great political cunning. I am also certain he'd be a dreadful PM. I am merely making a prediction. The Tories, by moving so far to the Left - highest taxes since the war, highest migration in history - have opened up an enormous gap in British politics. We can see from Europe and America that these gaps get filled, politics abhors a vacuum, and the hard right is in the ascendant everywhereNigel_Foremain said:
Only for racist fascists. Farage is just an egotistical twat, like his friend Trump, and co-defendant for destroyer of the Conservative Party, Boris Buffoon Johnson. There will be gullible muppets who fall for his nonsense, but they are generally fools who believe in aliens and conspiracy theories about AI (the latter of which they do not understand)Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
Labour are likely to fail, because their recipe will be more wokeness, more taxes, more migration, and it's not gonna be popular (after an initial honeymoon)
The populist right will then benefit. It might not be Farage that personally leads this, he is knocking on already and will be 65 at the next GE. But someone will come along1 -
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.1 -
If the polling doesn't start to turn, yes. It's been one way traffic for 2 weeks solidkinabalu said:
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
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How long until 0 is the favourite?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
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Presumably this:Roger said:Very interesting prog on opinion polls on Radio 4 now
Understand: The UK Election: 7. What can polling predict? 14 mins, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00208ct0 -
You cared enough to respond, which is at least detectable.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
Unlike a scintilla of an iota of a pico whatever-it-was.1 -
Womaned, in fact, usually. But not always. I'd say 80/20 at our big Tesco.Heathener said:
staffedkinabalu said:
This is true. Eg I'll usually choose a manned checkoutAndy_JS said:
Some people like to interact with actual people rather than doing everything on computers/phones.TOPPING said:
You what? What age do you suppose a large chunk of the PB demographic is (clue: 55+). Are you really saying that such a vital part of PB's contributing force is unable to transfer money or, indeed, buy a Tesco's Meal Deal using the latest technology?eek said:
Yes especially for people who are 55+ and so not used to doing complex things online.TOPPING said:I think we need @Anabobazina's view on this banking hub policy announcement. Lab's one builds on one from the Cons earlier in the year. Are we really saying that "bankless towns" is an issue out there?
The awkward bit is that many things will still be impossible because (for example) a big BACS transaction will require a secondary authorization that may not be possible in branch
Perhaps 80+ and even then my 94-yr old mother has two banking apps on her phone and hasn't needed to go to a branch in years.1 -
No it isn't. Opinion polls have shown a gentle narrowing of the Lab lead. When Electoral calculus first started the expected majority was 308. It is now 272 (14 June) and the recent More in Common poll baxtered would put Lab's majority at 204.wooliedyed said:
If the polling doesn't start to turn, yes. It's one way traffic for 2 weeks solidkinabalu said:
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
No one's doubting a Lab landslide but the direction of travel isn't one of a growing landslide.0 -
Hmmm...far from strengthening your assertion, these intensifiers actually weaken it, partly because they smack of bluster and desperation, but also because they suggest, quite wrongly I'm sure, that your denial of fuck-giving is relative rather than absolute.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons2 -
Yes it was. Very interesting though probably nothing not already known by every PBer (bar me!)viewcode said:
Presumably this:Roger said:Very interesting prog on opinion polls on Radio 4 now
Understand: The UK Election: 7. What can polling predict? 14 mins, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00208ct1 -
Nonsense, it is a very accurate description. You also seem to confuse Spanish and Italian fascism with Naziism, the former of which are similar to the small brain nationalism that Farage espouses .You are probably so far off to the right that you don't consider him extreme. He has endorsed Trump. He admires Putin. Alan Sked founder of UKIP has described his racism and even as a schoolboy his housemaster of his independent school described him as a fascist. He is a modern day fascist. No hyperbole, just informed judgement. Just because he wears a tweed jacket instead of a blackshirt doesn't let him off the hook.Leon said:
He's not a Fascist, this is ludicrous hyperbole. Farage may well be a twat and something of a demagogue, but a fascist? PleaseNigel_Foremain said:
Are you happy for a fascist to take over a party that you are committed to?HYUFD said:
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.
In living memory Europe suffered from actual fascists, you insult those memories with this piffle4 -
An observation/theory
- YouGov polls seem to cut through more than other polls. National newspapers publish them front page, Sky News has published them, they often get a lot of retweets, etc.
- YouGov’s last poll was on June 13th.
- But YouGov’s last MRP projection is dated ‘May 24 to June 1’ https://yougov.co.uk/elections/uk/2024
- The previous MRP came before D-Day gate, before Farage comeback, before the debates… and it shows LAB 422 CON 140 LD 48 and REFUK 0
- We are surely overdue another YouGov MRP. When it comes out, the cut through will make a lot more people aware of what seismic result may be coming - even if, for example, YouGov may be too bullish on Reform.
- This could also have some strange effects, e.g. more Tory MPs openly saying “We will lose but keep us in opposition please” like Shapps hinted at, or openly calling for a REFUK merger post election like Suella did. Who knows what the snowball effect could do to seat totals?0 -
Interesting discussion of the economics of distributed battery storage.
Dirt Cheap Batteries Enable Megawatt-Scale Charging Without Big Grid Upgrades Right Away
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/05/19/dirt-cheap-batteries-enable-megawatt-scale-charging-without-big-grid-upgrades-right-away/
Peak capacity (or indeed peak demand) isn't really an issue if we go 100% renewables, with sufficient storage.
And batteries are getting closer to the level of being price competitive for bulk storage, without subsidy.4 -
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Maybe, but other than you and @williamglenn the vast majority of voters irrespective of their natural colour of stripe believe Farage to be a ****!Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I forecast a resurrection of one nation Tories before Nigel LePen becomes Prime Minister.
This is England after all, not some Western European banana republic.4 -
What do you think's going to happen wrt the French election?Roger said:
Such extraordinary analysis. I feel quite moved.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons0 -
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy
0 -
He was asked in that infamous press conference if there was anyone else involved who we didn't know about, and didn't answer it, so it's always been clear that someone else other than the three we know about got away with it.FrancisUrquhart said:David Warner says, Rishi, hold my beer....
I am only player to take 'flak' for ball-tampering - Warner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c3gg0q8w0wwo0 -
But it is of a declining Tory vote share. Down to levels making holding seats very difficult due to 'numbers'TOPPING said:
No it isn't. Opinion polls have shown a gentle narrowing of the Lab lead. When Electoral calculus first started the expected majority was 308. It is now 272 (14 June) and the recent More in Common poll baxtered would put Lab's majority at 204.wooliedyed said:
If the polling doesn't start to turn, yes. It's one way traffic for 2 weeks solidkinabalu said:
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
No one's doubting a Lab landslide but the direction of travel isn't one of a growing landslide.0 -
That's not a convincing analysis. The latest More in Common has a 16 point Labour lead, identical to their last poll before the election was called. But it has LAB and CON both -2, with LDM +2 and RFM +3. You'd expect those poll changes to result in fewer Tory seats, with more LDM gains.TOPPING said:
No it isn't. Opinion polls have shown a gentle narrowing of the Lab lead. When Electoral calculus first started the expected majority was 308. It is now 272 (14 June) and the recent More in Common poll baxtered would put Lab's majority at 204.wooliedyed said:
If the polling doesn't start to turn, yes. It's one way traffic for 2 weeks solidkinabalu said:
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
No one's doubting a Lab landslide but the direction of travel isn't one of a growing landslide.0 -
They all think you're a c**t if that helps.Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy2 -
I see you missed me off your love list. Is it because I write more elegantly than you and your ego can not admit it, or is just that I so often highlight your intellectual inadequacies around matters relating to science and general logic?Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy1 -
I'll try one more time. This is not a coping mechanism. I genuinely fear- and fear is the right word - that Labour are gonna fuck up badly - and then we are headed for Le Pen-land. I may not spend much time in Britain these days, but I have fam and friends here permanently, and I'd rather this didn't happen. But the Tories have so monumentally wasted their 14 years in power, and the worldwide trend is what it is, and that's my prediction. Let's hope it's more at the What3Words end of the accuracy spectrum than lab leak, Covid, Nordstream and The NecklaceDougSeal said:
Hmmm...far from strengthening your assertion, these intensifiers actually weaken it, partly because they smack of bluster and desperation, but also because they suggest, quite wrongly I'm sure, that your denial of fuck-giving is relative rather than absolute.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
And now, I must hie me to M&S to buy me some noodles. Manana0 -
LolLeon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
Sounds like you've got a choice
Either continue living in your make believe
Or
face reality
If you choose the former just don't expect anyone to take you seriously on here, if they do anyway. But I bet you can find a more sympathetic community online somewhere. Based in Texas perhaps? Or Moscow? Or failing that you can always masturbate over an AI generated doll.1 -
"Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
Reform paid a vetting company £144k to carry out candidate checks. Not a single piece of work was delivered.
Colin Bloom has links to the Tory party & has very serious questions to answer.
Lawyers have been instructed. We do not rule out police action."
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/18030235619398823660 -
Sorry you didn't make the listTOPPING said:
They all think you're a c**t if that helps.Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy0 -
I don’t.TOPPING said:
They all think you're a c**t if that helps.Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy
He doesn’t have the depth or the warmth to be one.6 -
Yes, this 'Tories are left wing because taxes are up' really is a bucket of nonsense. The pandemic required huge spending and soon as that went away big energy subsidies were needed because of Putin. We couldn't borrow all of that so taxes had to rise.Nigel_Foremain said:
You, and the rest of the country seem to have forgotten that the taxes that are currently so high are in large part due to the expenditure of the pandemic combined with the stupidity of Brexit. I don't know whether you argued against the former but you certainly endorsed the latter. To suggest Rishi Sunak is of the left is ludicrous.Leon said:
i don't actually want Farage to run the country, I think he is a divisive and often unsavoury character, albeit one gifted with charisma and great political cunning. I am also certain he'd be a dreadful PM. I am merely making a prediction. The Tories, by moving so far to the Left - highest taxes since the war, highest migration in history - have opened up an enormous gap in British politics. We can see from Europe and America that these gaps get filled, politics abhors a vacuum, and the hard right is in the ascendant everywhereNigel_Foremain said:
Only for racist fascists. Farage is just an egotistical twat, like his friend Trump, and co-defendant for destroyer of the Conservative Party, Boris Buffoon Johnson. There will be gullible muppets who fall for his nonsense, but they are generally fools who believe in aliens and conspiracy theories about AI (the latter of which they do not understand)Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
Labour are likely to fail, because their recipe will be more wokeness, more taxes, more migration, and it's not gonna be popular (after an initial honeymoon)
The populist right will then benefit. It might not be Farage that personally leads this, he is knocking on already and will be 65 at the next GE. But someone will come along1 -
Even today's Focaldata has 37% voting for the Tories and ReformUK combined, just 6% behind Labour on 43% and miles ahead of the LDs on 10% and Greens on 5% and SNP on 2%.jamesdoyle said:
He can be leader - if it's Ratnered, no one will vote for it, just like no one shopped in Ratner's and it had to be shut down. The centre right can come back with a new name - just like Ratner's did.HYUFD said:
The more it is Ratnered the more Farage can take over as leader of the right of centre in this countryjamesdoyle said:
I think this is true, and was the point of my header the other day, that that's why the Conservative brand has to be Ratnered in the election, so Farage or Tory-Farage can't build off it.kle4 said:
Well played.BartholomewRoberts said:I don't believe for one second that a significant number of Tory MPs will join Reform after the election.
For the first thing, that would require there to be a significant number of Tory MPs after the election.
In all seriousness I don't think it the most likely scenario, but I think it's possible.
I think it more likely that if the Tories are sub 100 seats that a leadership candidate advocating merger with Reform could emerge, off the threat of MPs jumping ship.
Once Starmer likely becomes PM voters will want a choice not an echo from the LDs and if the Tories can't provide it as a functioning main opposition then Farage will ensure he will0 -
I already put myself at the head of the list. Don't shoot me because you are in denial.Leon said:
Sorry you didn't make the listTOPPING said:
They all think you're a c**t if that helps.Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy2 -
Hands up which PBers predicted that Trump's convictions would boost his popularity ?
Trump’s Conviction Was Supposed to Boost His Popularity. It Hasn’t.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-conviction-polls/3 -
My presumption they all knew and it was at the behest of the bowlers. Same as when Pakistan were ball tampering, I highly doubt it was one or two rogue players to get the ball into a state to reverse swing. And obviously Atherton just accidentally had his pockets weighed down with dirt like he was in Great Escape and nobody else noticed.CatMan said:
He was asked in that infamous press conference if there was anyone else involved who we didn't know about, and didn't answer it, so it's always been clear that someone else other than the three we know about got away with it.FrancisUrquhart said:David Warner says, Rishi, hold my beer....
I am only player to take 'flak' for ball-tampering - Warner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c3gg0q8w0wwo1 -
Poor Nigel. All those nutjobs mysteriously attracted to his company and its entirely normal political set up and aimsAndy_JS said:"Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
Reform paid a vetting company £144k to carry out candidate checks. Not a single piece of work was delivered.
Colin Bloom has links to the Tory party & has very serious questions to answer.
Lawyers have been instructed. We do not rule out police action."
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/18030235619398823662 -
Well you're a keen poll watcher so let's see. If that does happen, Cons below 50, my LD seats buy at 40 could be an absolute rock star.wooliedyed said:
If the polling doesn't start to turn, yes. It's been one way traffic for 2 weeks solidkinabalu said:
Is that where you see it going? Really?wooliedyed said:How long until 0-49 seats is favourite??
1 -
Sounds like Reform are just the kind of people we need in charge of public spending and are simply bound to find efficiency savings.Andy_JS said:"Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
Reform paid a vetting company £144k to carry out candidate checks. Not a single piece of work was delivered.
Colin Bloom has links to the Tory party & has very serious questions to answer.
Lawyers have been instructed. We do not rule out police action."
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/18030235619398823667 -
Somebody saw them coming.Andy_JS said:"Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
Reform paid a vetting company £144k to carry out candidate checks. Not a single piece of work was delivered.
Colin Bloom has links to the Tory party & has very serious questions to answer.
Lawyers have been instructed. We do not rule out police action."
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/18030235619398823663 -
Lol!!!TOPPING said:
They all think you're a c**t if that helps.Leon said:
That;s actually an interesting question. Whose opinion matters to me. It would have to be PB-ers whose intellect I respect, and/or who can ban meTOPPING said:
It is obviously going to be easier if you could let us know whose opinion of you you do care about then you don't have to spell it out each time to each poster.Leon said:
You can read it as you wish, I don't give a tiny scintilla of an iota of a soupcon of an atomic nano-fuck how you perceive mekinabalu said:
Ah so this is an interesting (!) self-help strategy to cope with the prospect of a landslide Labour government - convince yourself it will lead to the triumph of the Hard Right.Leon said:
Labour are gonna end up hated, really quite quicklyTOPPING said:
Everyone knows that, the size of their majority depends upon which ones they admit they are planning to raise.Leon said:There's no need for confusion on the tax question. Labour will raise ALL taxes, they won't have any choice
After that, Farage beckons
I'll help you to get the process going.
You really, really care what I think of you and a strenuous denial will simply be proof that you are super affected by my opinion of you.
So that's RCS and TSE
After that
@Richard_Nabavi
@IshmaelZ
(now sadly gone)
Sometimes @Gardenwalker and @FrancisUrquhart and a couple of others (I'll spare their blushes)
And @Peter_the_Punter because I've met him and he's a genuinely nice guy
Why does Leon keep sucking up to @TSE? Does he know he is skating on thin ice or something?
I'm enjoying it on here but, yeah, Leon is a **** - insert four letter word of choice.1
