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I completely agree. But its gone from “impossible” to “unbelievably unlikely” and is no longer free money in my view.Malmesbury said:
Sigh. The Democratic Party is a coalition of interests. To pick a leader, there has to be a certain amount of consensus.biggles said:
I’m less inclined to lay her now that I used to be.Casino_Royale said:
Suits me, since I can recycle my winnings (I hope) on 5th July into backing Biden for the Nom and leverage that inside 6 weeks.ydoethur said:
I don't think there's any 'apparently' about it.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
What does puzzle me is that there's far more focus on Biden looking and being doddery than there is on Trump, who has lost vast amounts of weight, had his hair change colour and can't even remember the name of his own doctor.
They're both too old, but one of them is so far past it it's actually embarrassing.
No-one will be laying Michelle Obama harder over the Summer than me.
If he drops dead, she’s not impossible.
Michelle Obama has not built the political alliances required to get the top job. Sure, in West Wing, everyone might turn round and elect her. But reality?
This is aside from the point that she has never engaged in elective politics - outside helping her husband campaign.
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just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".1 -
I think the unpredictability problem with GSDs is that they are quite nervous dogs (inherited from their Wolf origins) so they may turn on you out of fear.Foxy said:
Indeed, I think police struggle to find GSD that are aggressive enough now. Like most pastoral breeds very intelligent and needing good training. We had one as a child and he was a lovely dog, and very protective when people came to the door.Mexicanpete said:
If you read my post to the end I am well aware of the strength of a GSD. Those trained as guard dogs and I have met a few can be brutal. GSDs are not naturally aggressive they are essentially big "sheep dogs". Our dog wouldn't let a painter and decorator into the room where my baby child was sleeping, until my wife gave him the nod. He was not trained to do that, it was an innate pack defence instinct. There are other breeds of dogs I wouldn't let anywhere near a child, a Staffie for example.Tweedledee said:Two people injured in German Shepherd dog attack in Croxley Green
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-69037658
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Vide Mr Ross.EPG said:
Because the members get to decide nothing else. They used to decide on MPs. Not so much any more.BatteryCorrectHorse said:To be honest why even allow the members to vote on the leader? The MPs should decide, end of.
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When you stop and think about it, it's nuts.spudgfsh said:
It doesn't have a great record for either Conservative or Labour. Liz Trump, IDS, Millibland, CorbynBatteryCorrectHorse said:To be honest why even allow the members to vote on the leader? The MPs should decide, end of.
Prime Minister of the country, and choosing the shortlist is left to two self-selecting cliques of pretty weird people.
But alternatives might be worse.0 -
It does look rather like faffing until about 80 minutes, Serbia score equaliser, frantic panic defending, scrape a 1-1 draw territory. Although I shall, of course, be delighted if I'm proved wrong.londonpubman said:We're beginning to lose our way a bit. Just like v Croatia 2018 and Italy 2021.
It's like the classic days of Henman and Rusedski at Wimbledon. They could deal with most opponents but it was frequently painful. And neither of them could ever quite seal a major title, either.0 -
What are your bets for 4 July? I'm looking for very safe Con seats with good odds, also I think the >99.5 seats on BF at 2.42 is good value.Casino_Royale said:
Suits me, since I can recycle my winnings (I hope) on 5th July into backing Biden for the Nom and leverage that inside 6 weeks.ydoethur said:
I don't think there's any 'apparently' about it.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
What does puzzle me is that there's far more focus on Biden looking and being doddery than there is on Trump, who has lost vast amounts of weight, had his hair change colour and can't even remember the name of his own doctor.
They're both too old, but one of them is so far past it it's actually embarrassing.
No-one will be laying Michelle Obama harder over the Summer than me.
In short, I think it will be an extremely bad (worst ever in seats/votes) for Con, but short of catastrophic.
Think I am right in saying GE 2024 has already broken records ie lowest vote share for govt party during campaign?0 -
I can see New Addington being very Ukippy, Forestdale too. Not sure on the demographics of Monks Orchard etc.stodge said:
Both Croydon East and South are interesting.MisterBedfordshire said:
The only one in Croydon that could be interesting is Croydon South.NickPalmer said:
I have Labour friends in Croydon East - they are quietly confident though taking no chances.stodge said:Evening all
Back to politics and betting for a moment. Those who recall my epic "London Falling" thread from a couple of weeks back my recall I offered these as attractive bets for the election:
Harrow East – CON 9/4
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner – CON 4/5
Bromley & Biggin Hill – CON 11/8
Croydon East – CON 10/1
Croydon South – CON 2/1
Romford – CON 6/4
In the light of some comments expressing the view the Conservatives may not do too badly in Outer London compared with other areas, I thought I'd see what I was standing in against the latest Survation MRP.
Harrow East - Lab 41.4%, Con 38.6% - Conservatives out to 5/2 but looks a decent bet.
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner - Lab 34.6%, Con 34.2% - Conservatives still 4/5, Labour 10/11 so the bookies taking no chances.
Bromley & Biggin Hill Lab 36.8%., Con 28.8% - Conservatives still 11/8 but I may be on the wrong side of the bet.
Croydon East Lab 46.6%, Con 26.2% - Conservatives still 10/1. The humble pie is in the oven and cooking slowly but I will be astonished if Labour win this by 20 points.
Croydon South Lab 46.7%, Con 31.4% - Conservatives now 5/2. Rather like Harrow East, I don't believe the MRP but as I've said on here more than once just before you don't believe or can conceive of something happening doesn't mean it can't happen.
Romford Lab 36.3%, Con 35% - Conservatives 6/4 and I'm still happy with the bet.
I also offered Sutton & Cheam as an LD gain at 11/10. The Survation MRP has the LDs at 31.1% and the Conservatives at 25.7%. The LDs are now 10/11 with the Conservatives at 11/10 so I might just be on the right side of that one.
Closer to home (well, my home) the MRP for East Ham has Labour down to 65% and the Conservatives at 10.6% with a real scrap on for third between the Greens, Reform and the Newham Indpendents.
Unless New Addington, Forestdale & Monks Orchared have suddenly become uberFaragist, East should be a case of Labour weighing the vote.
Starting with East, it includes areas of Croydon which swung to the Conservatives in the 2022 locals. New Addington, once a Labour heartland council estate and the home of former Council leader Valerie Shawcross, elected Conservatives last time. Addiscombe, Shirley and Selsdon are strong Conservative areas so I just think 10/1 the Conservatives is ridiculous.
South Croydon was a Conservative stronghold - it includes Sanderstead, Riddlesdown, Coulsdon and Purley which (apart from a single LD in the 1990s) have always returned Conservative Councillors. I know I've said just because you believe something can't happen doesn't mean it can't but if the good folk of Purley and Sanderstead are abandoning the Conservatives it's a desperate prospect for the blues.
Purley and Sanderstead would vote Libdem before they voted for Farage.0 -
England getting complacent at 1 nil up, giving Serbia too many chances to get back in the game.3
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I do question the amount of GOTV teamwork and other election stuff. Some of these constituencies have had very low Labour votes in the past.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, something isn't quite right.stodge said:Anecdote time - spent the weekend in Derbyshire with Mrs Stodge. The place we visit is in the Amber Valley constituency.
The Conservative, Nigel Mills, won with a majority of nearly 17,000 in 2019 and Labour needs an 18.5% swing to oust him. Survation has Labour leading 38-30 with Reform on 19 which would be a swing of 22.5% from the last election which is close to the national number.
Despite that, no leaflets, no posters, no stakeboards in the area I was in.
There were more Labour posters up around here in GE2017 than there are now.
For example, in Clacton, how much actual Labour Party is there, locally?0 -
It’s a classic Southgate team. Sit on a 1-0 lead2
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I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".0 -
Booked the 5th off as leave straight away. My plan is to stay up till my eyes can’t stay open.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.0 -
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
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Bring on a winger, bring on an impact sub. Bring on Grealish! Oh wait he's back home in Barnt Green.Foxy said:England getting complacent at 1 nil up, giving Serbia too many chances to get back in the game.
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Regressed to a flat 442 being pushed back. Don’t do that.0
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Serbia pushing forward may well give him more space.DavidL said:
I will be surprised if Kane doesn't get a goal before the end. He usually does.Foxy said:England getting complacent at 1 nil up, giving Serbia too many chances to get back in the game.
Its like watching Leicester last season. A second goal needed to take the pressure off.1 -
I’ve got photos from three positive Covid tests somewhere on my phone. Just say the word…Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
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MisterBedfordshire said:
I can see New Addington being very Ukippy, Forestdale too. Not sure on the demographics of Monks Orchard etc.stodge said:
Both Croydon East and South are interesting.MisterBedfordshire said:
The only one in Croydon that could be interesting is Croydon South.NickPalmer said:
I have Labour friends in Croydon East - they are quietly confident though taking no chances.stodge said:Evening all
Back to politics and betting for a moment. Those who recall my epic "London Falling" thread from a couple of weeks back my recall I offered these as attractive bets for the election:
Harrow East – CON 9/4
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner – CON 4/5
Bromley & Biggin Hill – CON 11/8
Croydon East – CON 10/1
Croydon South – CON 2/1
Romford – CON 6/4
In the light of some comments expressing the view the Conservatives may not do too badly in Outer London compared with other areas, I thought I'd see what I was standing in against the latest Survation MRP.
Harrow East - Lab 41.4%, Con 38.6% - Conservatives out to 5/2 but looks a decent bet.
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner - Lab 34.6%, Con 34.2% - Conservatives still 4/5, Labour 10/11 so the bookies taking no chances.
Bromley & Biggin Hill Lab 36.8%., Con 28.8% - Conservatives still 11/8 but I may be on the wrong side of the bet.
Croydon East Lab 46.6%, Con 26.2% - Conservatives still 10/1. The humble pie is in the oven and cooking slowly but I will be astonished if Labour win this by 20 points.
Croydon South Lab 46.7%, Con 31.4% - Conservatives now 5/2. Rather like Harrow East, I don't believe the MRP but as I've said on here more than once just before you don't believe or can conceive of something happening doesn't mean it can't happen.
Romford Lab 36.3%, Con 35% - Conservatives 6/4 and I'm still happy with the bet.
I also offered Sutton & Cheam as an LD gain at 11/10. The Survation MRP has the LDs at 31.1% and the Conservatives at 25.7%. The LDs are now 10/11 with the Conservatives at 11/10 so I might just be on the right side of that one.
Closer to home (well, my home) the MRP for East Ham has Labour down to 65% and the Conservatives at 10.6% with a real scrap on for third between the Greens, Reform and the Newham Indpendents.
Unless New Addington, Forestdale & Monks Orchared have suddenly become uberFaragist, East should be a case of Labour weighing the vote.
Starting with East, it includes areas of Croydon which swung to the Conservatives in the 2022 locals. New Addington, once a Labour heartland council estate and the home of former Council leader Valerie Shawcross, elected Conservatives last time. Addiscombe, Shirley and Selsdon are strong Conservative areas so I just think 10/1 the Conservatives is ridiculous.
South Croydon was a Conservative stronghold - it includes Sanderstead, Riddlesdown, Coulsdon and Purley which (apart from a single LD in the 1990s) have always returned Conservative Councillors. I know I've said just because you believe something can't happen doesn't mean it can't but if the good folk of Purley and Sanderstead are abandoning the Conservatives it's a desperate prospect for the blues.
Purley and Sanderstead would vote Libdem before they voted for Farage.
An interesting observation.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, something isn't quite right.stodge said:Anecdote time - spent the weekend in Derbyshire with Mrs Stodge. The place we visit is in the Amber Valley constituency.
The Conservative, Nigel Mills, won with a majority of nearly 17,000 in 2019 and Labour needs an 18.5% swing to oust him. Survation has Labour leading 38-30 with Reform on 19 which would be a swing of 22.5% from the last election which is close to the national number.
Despite that, no leaflets, no posters, no stakeboards in the area I was in.
There were more Labour posters up around here in GE2017 than there are now.
We know that there is no enthusiasm for Starmer, he is winning by default as the only feasible alternative, plus a lot of members don't like him (see Big John O etc) so are there the people there to canvass and leaflet, and will this cost them some seats that they would otherwise defeat the Tories in.1 -
I'm on that, over 99.5 seats on BF, and I've also backed the Tories in places like Portsmouth North and the Isle of Wight where I think their base will be firmer and the demographics aren't optimised for Labour's appeal. [Worth noting that as terribly as the Tories did in May they lost half their council seats, but not all their seats.]DoubleCarpet said:
What are your bets for 4 July? I'm looking for very safe Con seats with good odds, also I think the >99.5 seats on BF at 2.42 is good value.Casino_Royale said:
Suits me, since I can recycle my winnings (I hope) on 5th July into backing Biden for the Nom and leverage that inside 6 weeks.ydoethur said:
I don't think there's any 'apparently' about it.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
What does puzzle me is that there's far more focus on Biden looking and being doddery than there is on Trump, who has lost vast amounts of weight, had his hair change colour and can't even remember the name of his own doctor.
They're both too old, but one of them is so far past it it's actually embarrassing.
No-one will be laying Michelle Obama harder over the Summer than me.
In short, I think it will be an extremely bad (worst ever in seats/votes) for Con, but short of catastrophic.
Think I am right in saying GE 2024 has already broken records ie lowest vote share for govt party during campaign?
I've got a wide portfolio of bets on Labour, the LDs and some Tory holds - too many to go into here - but about 25 x constituency bets in total. I've bet on Labour claiming seats from 3rd in Scotland. LDs in Surrey etc.
One of my favourites is for Corbyn to lose to the official Labour candidate.1 -
Plus while Churchill moved to Woodford in 1945 that also included Buckhurst Hill, Loughton and Chigwell. Chingford however remained in EppingHYUFD said:
Not the same constituency though.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I struggle to think of many constituencies which have had two party leaders. I think Caernarfon had David Lloyd George and Dafydd Wigley (!) both of whom lost elections, but in fairness Wigley was never PM designated.HYUFD said:
Will Richmond be the only constituency to have produced two party leaders who both led their party to landslide defeats? Though at least it can say it now has produced a PM in Sunak unlike Haguewooliedyed said:
Richmond is after sun up usually. Breakfasty declaration.biggles said:
Actually does anyone know when the Starmer and Sunak declarations come? Helps to build the shape of the night.DoubleCarpet said:
Water, orange juice and Coke for me to have any chance of doing an all-nighter and still be going for the new PM going to the Palace. Or might attempt a 6-9am kip maybe.biggles said:
I start with a decent bottle of red, and get the whisky out for the Scottish seats. Cheese and charcuterie of course.TimS said:
The bigger question is drinks for election night. Some decent wine first, then a bottle of English sparkling from a Lib Dem target constituency ready and chilled but only opened if we beat 30 seats. Otherwise it’s gin.biggles said:
Nip to the corner shop now before kick off, or you’ll be on the weird green liquor you once bought on holiday by half time.boulay said:
Agree with beers for sport accompaniment. I am getting slightly concerned I’m going to run out of beers and end up on wine by the time of the England game starting. I accidentally started too early. Bloody 8pm kick offs.biggles said:
At home I usually prefer wine (or whisky) but football always feels like I should have beer. I’m on the fence now, but either way you have made me thirsty!Anabobazina said:Needlessly tetchy - yet again - on here.
Big glass of wine.
BBC1.
C’mon England.
You'd know, but didn't Churchill and IDS constituency boundaries overlap? The former clearly lost in a landslide and the latter was spared that by the men in grey suits. That's as close as I can think.
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One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.3 -
This lot ain't winning jack shit.0
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Southgate is the quintessential decent loserwooliedyed said:This lot ain't winning jack shit.
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There will be more space but if he’s back in the mifpdfield then he’s not there to use the space.Foxy said:
Serbia pushing forward may well give him more space.DavidL said:
I will be surprised if Kane doesn't get a goal before the end. He usually does.Foxy said:England getting complacent at 1 nil up, giving Serbia too many chances to get back in the game.
Its like watching Leicester last season. A second goal needed to take the pressure off.1 -
I did too, well the morning anyway. I have a University commitment in the afternoon, but nothing too critical if I doze off.Ghedebrav said:
Booked the 5th off as leave straight away. My plan is to stay up till my eyes can’t stay open.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.0 -
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
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Should have gone after the WC. Draft Marcelo!Leon said:
Southgate is the quintessential decent loserwooliedyed said:This lot ain't winning jack shit.
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All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.0 -
Don’t take off Trent!!!! FFS!1
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All this ground game malarkey is just performative nonsense to make activists feel important.Malmesbury said:
I do question the amount of GOTV teamwork and other election stuff. Some of these constituencies have had very low Labour votes in the past.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, something isn't quite right.stodge said:Anecdote time - spent the weekend in Derbyshire with Mrs Stodge. The place we visit is in the Amber Valley constituency.
The Conservative, Nigel Mills, won with a majority of nearly 17,000 in 2019 and Labour needs an 18.5% swing to oust him. Survation has Labour leading 38-30 with Reform on 19 which would be a swing of 22.5% from the last election which is close to the national number.
Despite that, no leaflets, no posters, no stakeboards in the area I was in.
There were more Labour posters up around here in GE2017 than there are now.
For example, in Clacton, how much actual Labour Party is there, locally?
It is the national campaign, via the media and social media, that sways votes. Not a couple of signs on sticks or window posters.0 -
Get you own back on whoever arranged the meeting. Book an expensive room.Casino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".1 -
In their name on their corporate card.Fairliered said:
Get you own back on whoever arranged the meeting. Book an expensive room.Casino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".1 -
To be fair members also voted for Cameron, Johnson, Blair, David Miliband and Starmer.spudgfsh said:
It doesn't have a great record for either Conservative or Labour. Liz Trump, IDS, Millibland, CorbynBatteryCorrectHorse said:To be honest why even allow the members to vote on the leader? The MPs should decide, end of.
MPs alone voted for Foot, Major, Hague and Howard, Brown, May and Sunak0 -
It's like watching someone read watching England play football1
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Yeah, the nurses/docs say the wound is healing pretty well considering how large it was and that I am a diabetic.Foxy said:
All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.
I feel bad because I cannot due any major physical activity is that I am relying on my elderly parents to do lots of things for me as well as their normal duties of looking after my kids.
Other issue is that since the pandemic my youngest is worried that his grandparents and I might suddenly die, this surgery brought all those worries back for him. A 10 year old shouldn't have to worry about such things.5 -
And Saka as well as Trent?! Piss off.0
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That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
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Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
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I was previously misquoted (by myself) saying Bowen should not have been brought on. What I meant to say was “cracking idea Gareth”.2
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Sorry to hear that - sounds shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the nurses/docs say the wound is healing pretty well considering how large it was and that I am a diabetic.Foxy said:
All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.
I feel bad because I cannot due any major physical activity is that I am relying on my elderly parents to lots of things for me as well as their normal duties of looking after my kids.
Other issue is that since the pandemic my youngest is worried that his grandparents and I might suddenly die, this surgery brought all those worries back for him. A 10 year old shouldn't have to worry about such things.0 -
Rory birdies 9 and 10 to tie for the lead with Bryson.1
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Is it an area where the local council don’t allow election posters on public property? Our council stopped them after the Scottish Parliament election, when the SNP won the seat but we had a Labour majority council. They realised the SNP had more activists able to climb ladders than they did.stodge said:Anecdote time - spent the weekend in Derbyshire with Mrs Stodge. The place we visit is in the Amber Valley constituency.
The Conservative, Nigel Mills, won with a majority of nearly 17,000 in 2019 and Labour needs an 18.5% swing to oust him. Survation has Labour leading 38-30 with Reform on 19 which would be a swing of 22.5% from the last election which is close to the national number.
Despite that, no leaflets, no posters, no stakeboards in the area I was in.
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That's very strange comment. Are you trying to suggest somehow that seeing a video of an elderly man being doddery and saying he's being doddery in it is a conspiracy theory?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
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I didn’t realise you worked in the public sector…Casino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".0 -
It's frustrating, I take the view healthwise it could be much worse.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry to hear that - sounds shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the nurses/docs say the wound is healing pretty well considering how large it was and that I am a diabetic.Foxy said:
All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.
I feel bad because I cannot due any major physical activity is that I am relying on my elderly parents to lots of things for me as well as their normal duties of looking after my kids.
Other issue is that since the pandemic my youngest is worried that his grandparents and I might suddenly die, this surgery brought all those worries back for him. A 10 year old shouldn't have to worry about such things.
Makes me glad I've got such a wonderful family, friends, and employers/employees.
I could be somebody on minimum wage who only gets statutory sick pay.6 -
Let’s hope nobody is saying to him after the final “look what you could have won”.SandyRentool said:4 -
I think he's old and old people are doddery. Does that make him unsuitable for office? Based on his actions as President, no.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's very strange comment. Are you trying to suggest somehow that see a video of an elderly man being doddery and saying he's being doddery in it is a conspiracy theory?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
You pretend normal things are signs of it. They aren't.
Now Trump actually has dementia. But nothing from that, so I said are you the plane conspiracy nut because you seem to enjoy conspiracy theories.0 -
Or self employed.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's frustrating, I take the view healthwise it could be much worse.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry to hear that - sounds shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the nurses/docs say the wound is healing pretty well considering how large it was and that I am a diabetic.Foxy said:
All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.
I feel bad because I cannot due any major physical activity is that I am relying on my elderly parents to lots of things for me as well as their normal duties of looking after my kids.
Other issue is that since the pandemic my youngest is worried that his grandparents and I might suddenly die, this surgery brought all those worries back for him. A 10 year old shouldn't have to worry about such things.
Makes me glad I've got such a wonderful family, friends, and employers/employees.
I could be somebody on minimum wage who only gets statutory sick pay.7 -
Agreed. Good way to look at it.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's frustrating, I take the view healthwise it could be much worse.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry to hear that - sounds shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the nurses/docs say the wound is healing pretty well considering how large it was and that I am a diabetic.Foxy said:
All settling OK? you seem in good spirits.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the benefits of having an abscess removed is I am off work for at least the 15th of July and cannot go to the office until the start of August due to having daily wound checks/dressing changes.Casino_Royale said:
I can't, sadly. It would be noticed.Scott_xP said:
just pull a sickyCasino_Royale said:
I might book a hotel room next door in London. But the WiFi had better be hot shit.Stuartinromford said:
I feel your pain. I'm on a residential course Thursday and Friday. On one hand, work travel is nice, but blooming RIshi stupid election date...Casino_Royale said:
Unfortunately, I'm part of the leadership team so can't pull that one.spudgfsh said:
I've booked the day off. Not that they would but if they tried to make me do something that day I'd say "make me". I work a compressed week so Fridays are 'cheap' days off.Casino_Royale said:Lots of very rude works: work have scheduled an "away day" for Friday 5th July.
Absolute b'stards.
No idea how I will (a) stay awake and (b) not look at my phone all day.
On the other hand, there's usually a news hiatus Friday daytime, isn't there? Old PM goes to the Palace, new PM goes to the Palace, then it's a couple of hours until the new government emerges.
Then I can go till about 4am, take 4 hours, and then roll up just before 9am.
Hopefully I won't then miss out on too much betting. I may have a few toilet/"client call" breaks during the day.
I can then slink off about 4pm in the afternoon, on grounds of "family".
The fact this has coincided with the Euros, T20 world cup, and the general election has left me devastated.
I feel bad because I cannot due any major physical activity is that I am relying on my elderly parents to lots of things for me as well as their normal duties of looking after my kids.
Other issue is that since the pandemic my youngest is worried that his grandparents and I might suddenly die, this surgery brought all those worries back for him. A 10 year old shouldn't have to worry about such things.
Makes me glad I've got such a wonderful family, friends, and employers/employees.
I could be somebody on minimum wage who only gets statutory sick pay.1 -
They’ve forgotten the basics. Beat the man, create the space. There’s only one way to beat them and it’s around back.0
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The amount of money in football and they can’t design socks that players don’t feel the need to turn into fishnets.1
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It's garbage, sloppy, the usual England over complication in possession, they're crap when pressed.biggles said:They’ve forgotten the basics. Beat the man, create the space. There’s only one way to beat them and it’s around back.
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This is gonna be 1:10
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FFS. Slow it down. Game management.0
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I've done quite a bit of canvassing for Labour in Croydon South and the response is pretty positive, I'd say we are in with a very good chance. A lot of effort is being put in, members coming from all over South London and several canvassing sessions every day. Tory vote collapsing in three directions - to Labour, Reform and the stay at home party.MisterBedfordshire said:
I can see New Addington being very Ukippy, Forestdale too. Not sure on the demographics of Monks Orchard etc.stodge said:
Both Croydon East and South are interesting.MisterBedfordshire said:
The only one in Croydon that could be interesting is Croydon South.NickPalmer said:
I have Labour friends in Croydon East - they are quietly confident though taking no chances.stodge said:Evening all
Back to politics and betting for a moment. Those who recall my epic "London Falling" thread from a couple of weeks back my recall I offered these as attractive bets for the election:
Harrow East – CON 9/4
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner – CON 4/5
Bromley & Biggin Hill – CON 11/8
Croydon East – CON 10/1
Croydon South – CON 2/1
Romford – CON 6/4
In the light of some comments expressing the view the Conservatives may not do too badly in Outer London compared with other areas, I thought I'd see what I was standing in against the latest Survation MRP.
Harrow East - Lab 41.4%, Con 38.6% - Conservatives out to 5/2 but looks a decent bet.
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner - Lab 34.6%, Con 34.2% - Conservatives still 4/5, Labour 10/11 so the bookies taking no chances.
Bromley & Biggin Hill Lab 36.8%., Con 28.8% - Conservatives still 11/8 but I may be on the wrong side of the bet.
Croydon East Lab 46.6%, Con 26.2% - Conservatives still 10/1. The humble pie is in the oven and cooking slowly but I will be astonished if Labour win this by 20 points.
Croydon South Lab 46.7%, Con 31.4% - Conservatives now 5/2. Rather like Harrow East, I don't believe the MRP but as I've said on here more than once just before you don't believe or can conceive of something happening doesn't mean it can't happen.
Romford Lab 36.3%, Con 35% - Conservatives 6/4 and I'm still happy with the bet.
I also offered Sutton & Cheam as an LD gain at 11/10. The Survation MRP has the LDs at 31.1% and the Conservatives at 25.7%. The LDs are now 10/11 with the Conservatives at 11/10 so I might just be on the right side of that one.
Closer to home (well, my home) the MRP for East Ham has Labour down to 65% and the Conservatives at 10.6% with a real scrap on for third between the Greens, Reform and the Newham Indpendents.
Unless New Addington, Forestdale & Monks Orchared have suddenly become uberFaragist, East should be a case of Labour weighing the vote.
Starting with East, it includes areas of Croydon which swung to the Conservatives in the 2022 locals. New Addington, once a Labour heartland council estate and the home of former Council leader Valerie Shawcross, elected Conservatives last time. Addiscombe, Shirley and Selsdon are strong Conservative areas so I just think 10/1 the Conservatives is ridiculous.
South Croydon was a Conservative stronghold - it includes Sanderstead, Riddlesdown, Coulsdon and Purley which (apart from a single LD in the 1990s) have always returned Conservative Councillors. I know I've said just because you believe something can't happen doesn't mean it can't but if the good folk of Purley and Sanderstead are abandoning the Conservatives it's a desperate prospect for the blues.
Purley and Sanderstead would vote Libdem before they voted for Farage.
BTW I don.t think Val Shawcross has ever lived in New Addington, she may perhaps have represented it on the Council in the past but she lives at the opposite end of the Borough.0 -
I think it probably does make him unsuitable yes. And if Trump has dementia, that makes him unsuitable too. I am not bothered about either of them pressing the nuclear button in some sort of demented state, that seems very unlikely, but it would concern me that if they are President whilst medically unfit, there is essentially a regency in place, and someone else wields the power of the President without being elected or accountable for their actions. That's not healthy.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I think he's old and old people are doddery. Does that make him unsuitable for office? Based on his actions as President, no.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's very strange comment. Are you trying to suggest somehow that see a video of an elderly man being doddery and saying he's being doddery in it is a conspiracy theory?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
You pretend normal things are signs of it. They aren't.
Now Trump actually has dementia. But nothing from that, so I said are you the plane conspiracy nut because you seem to enjoy conspiracy theories.0 -
I always hark back to the two men who led the Western Allies in WW2. Roosevelt was terribly ill throughout much of his last term in office and actually died in office before the war ended. Churchill was also in terrible health, a functioning alcoholic and supposedly had a heart attack the night after his speech to Congress in 1941.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I think he's old and old people are doddery. Does that make him unsuitable for office? Based on his actions as President, no.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's very strange comment. Are you trying to suggest somehow that see a video of an elderly man being doddery and saying he's being doddery in it is a conspiracy theory?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
You pretend normal things are signs of it. They aren't.
Now Trump actually has dementia. But nothing from that, so I said are you the plane conspiracy nut because you seem to enjoy conspiracy theories.2 -
How long does it take that symposium of psychiatry to get elected?0
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Yup. And some of the midfield are weedy and won’t stand their ground.wooliedyed said:
It's garbage, sloppy, the usual England over complication in possession, they're crap when pressed.biggles said:They’ve forgotten the basics. Beat the man, create the space. There’s only one way to beat them and it’s around back.
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I’ve always rated Bowen. “Get him on” I said.2
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PB's bed-wetters will sleep as well as they will moistly tonight.1
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Well we'll need to improve on that.0
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Fucksake0
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Need to do a lot better against Denmark, and grow from there.0
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Takes off Saka, Bellingham...
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Just looked in: collectively they sound as if they've already wet the sofa, so the bed should be OK.SirNorfolkPassmore said:PB's bed-wetters will sleep as well as they will moistly tonight.
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England beat Serbia 1-00
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Southgate’s teams always do this! Get a lead and sit backdr_spyn said:Takes off Saka, Bellingham...
Am really surprised by Southgate's tactics. 1-0 after 13 minutes, and England sit back and do little in the second half. Will be lucky if they get beyond the group stage.
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I think we need to hear the opinion of senior politicians about the football, that's always good2
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Ed Davey was actually inside the ball tonight. He’s making a point about testicular cancer.wooliedyed said:I think we need to hear the opinion of senior politicians about the football, that's always good
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Very underwhelming. How on earth do you play that badly in the second half with so many good players .1
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Hope Southgate goes after the tournament, regardless.0
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It’s absurd. England literally have two of the top ten players in the world. Bellingham and Kane. They have a whole bunch not far behindpigeon said:
Not quite, thank goodness. Bloody painful, but at least it's a win.Leon said:This is gonna be 1:1
How long do we think they'll last? Quarter final?
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Dan Hodges says they were fine. We're fucked1
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Like the Tories, a slow disappointing start, written off already, an uninspiring leader but just you wait. Triumph for Rishi Sunak’s England awaits in July.0 -
Taking off two of the best players in the squad, both make things happen. Mark of a tactical genius.Leon said:
Southgate’s teams always do this! Get a lead and sit backdr_spyn said:Takes off Saka, Bellingham...
Am really surprised by Southgate's tactics. 1-0 after 13 minutes, and England sit back and do little in the second half. Will be lucky if they get beyond the group stage.
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3 points. On target0
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According to the FIFA rankings we're better than Brazil. Not on tonight's performance.1
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We rode our luck a bit too much there, but it worked. I think this team can grow through the group games.
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Going back to yesterday's MRP, it's interesting how the vote shares are Lab 40%, Con 24%, so a 16% lead gives Labour a majority of 262 seats, when a similar lead for the Tories in 1983 gave them a majority of only 144.0
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I would much rather Biden wasn't leading the Democrats but the reality is that he's the only candidate to ever actually beat Trump. Does anyone think a challenger would do better, really?Richard_Tyndall said:
I always hark back to the two men who led the Western Allies in WW2. Roosevelt was terribly ill throughout much of his last term in office and actually died in office before the war ended. Churchill was also in terrible health, a functioning alcoholic and supposedly had a heart attack the night after his speech to Congress in 1941.BatteryCorrectHorse said:
I think he's old and old people are doddery. Does that make him unsuitable for office? Based on his actions as President, no.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's very strange comment. Are you trying to suggest somehow that see a video of an elderly man being doddery and saying he's being doddery in it is a conspiracy theory?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Aren't you the plane crash conspiracy nut?Luckyguy1983 said:
That's fairly loathsome, and so are accounts that take a ghoulish delight in Biden's misfortunes. However, let's be honest, he did not stride over to the parachutist to engage him in witty repartee, he took a doddery wander over toward him and needed to be rescued. It was doddery. It perhaps was nicely and quaintly doddery, rather than burly men armed with horse tranquliser doddery, but ain't nobody trying to say it wasn't doddery (I hope).Mexicanpete said:
Interesting you mentioned incontinence. The Lincoln Project recently released a video called "Trump Diapers". The allusion was that Trump needed such assistance in that department.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok son, don't take the absolute piss. Biden still being able to go to the loo independently might still be somewhat debatable - Biden being 'doddery' stopped being an 'apparently' about 4 years ago.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Harry Cole is utterly obsessed with Biden apparently being doddery.
You pretend normal things are signs of it. They aren't.
Now Trump actually has dementia. But nothing from that, so I said are you the plane conspiracy nut because you seem to enjoy conspiracy theories.0 -
The second England manager to guide his team to victory in the first match of a European Championship. And the first.RandallFlagg said:Hope Southgate goes after the tournament, regardless.
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Can you be sure that wasn't the peak?TheScreamingEagles said:Excellent performance from England, they made sure they didn't peak too soon in this tournament.
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Celebrating a vital win with the gaffer.
Well done lads! 🦁 🦁 🦁
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Starmer only has a white t-shirt.
Someone has fucked up.0 -
It was a stroke of genius from Rishi to schedule the GE to correspond with the Euros. Hanging onto Gareth's waistcoat tails after winning the Euros- ten days after the election.boulay said:…
Like the Tories, a slow disappointing start, written off already, an uninspiring leader but just you wait. Triumph for Rishi Sunak’s England awaits in July.1 -
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Can you be sure that wasn't the peak?TheScreamingEagles said:Excellent performance from England, they made sure they didn't peak too soon in this tournament.
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It was dull and defensive but we won, says Keir Starmer on the first half of the election campaign.
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