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I voted for Blair twice so not that partisan and whilst I have criticised previous Labour figures I do not do use the language some have re SunakFarooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.0 -
At Parkrun he would have to avoid the Finish sign at the end though!BatteryCorrectHorse said:Sunak's team seem to have decided to copy the Ed Miliband approach of "actually he's one of the lads". If Sunak was just allowed to be the slightly nerdy, geeky, tech bro he is, nobody would mind.
I can totally buy him doing Park Run, so why not have him at one of those events? Or have him go to a cricket match or something.
OT I have done 175 parkruns over about ten years and still to get a finishing time in seconds of 19,20 and 36 - Parkrun bingo!2 -
If Rishi Sunak wins on Thursday...williamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
– I warn you not to be a 78 year old who watches GB News 19 hours a day
– I warn you not to be a Hedge Fund Manager
– I warn you not to be an arriviste who sends their kids to a school they can't afford
– I warn you not to be terrified of 'woke'0 -
This mornings R4 Week at Westminster was reasonably interesting:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001zlvh
One suggestion is that Ed Davey is deliberately being (involuntarily?) boring to avoid an experience like Cleggmania.0 -
Interesting discussion about hotel prices earlier.0
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It'd have to be one large bomber to not be over in 5 minutes.Theuniondivvie said:
I would like to see that film..jamesdoyle said:
Misses the interesting point that the original script had everything happening on board an WW2 American bomber returning from a raid on Germany. Changed to a spaceship after Star Wars was a big hitLeon said:Superb TwiX thread on the making of Alien. It’s such a good thread it manages to terrify all by itself
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Or if City win Starmer is headed for the abbatoir.Cookie said:
Wasn't it the FA Cup, rather than the league?Alanbrooke said:
It's the rule of football. A blue team has won the League so PM will be blue too.Mexicanpete said:
Looking good @GIN1138 . Do you think the eight point drop in Lab-Con in just a fortnight is down to Rishi's campaign start? The advantage of surprise over everyone else, allowing the Tories to hit the ground running- face first.GIN1138 said:Morning PB
Polls already dropping and it's not even Saturday evening yet? #Popcorn on standby
Which implies good things for Man U this afternoon.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Who at BBC radio thought having Wayne Rooney doing the analysis for the lead up to FA Cup Final. He is absolutely awful.
I only got to two main parties at present.bondegezou said:
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Yes, I think voters are much more willing to change their minds from one election to the next than they were a generation ago.Benpointer said:
This could prove to be true of course but it relies on an assumption that 2019 Tory voters were in any way wedded to the party. I suspect for many it was a vote to 'get Brexit done' and/or pro-Johnson and/or anti-Corbyn.algarkirk said:
YouGov latest data here:wooliedyed said:
Its an artefact of the disengaged becoming engaged. A lot of the disinterested and DKs were Con leaning types.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Sunak's approval ratings have ticked up since the campaign started. Still early days but one to watch.
I still think it will be a Labour victory but I am still not yet ready to decide between that being a Hung Parliament up to a landslide.
Labour will win. I think nearly 100 majority with 50 to 150 my 'range' at the moment
https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/TheTimes_VI_240524_W.pdf
The case for Tories doing much better than expected in embedded in the data:
Of the 2019 Tory voters 41% plan to vote Tory, and 19% each for Reform and DK, totalling 38%.
If only a third of these people can switch from Reform and DK to Tory, than the Tories are on 33%. If events turn a little against Labour and they drop just 3 points, to 41% we are in line for a result that is not a disaster for the Tories.
This should not be regarded as out of the question. Those who pay no attention to politics are just warming up the valves on their medium wave radiograms for the first time sine Boris was in charge.
Over the last five GEs my wife has voted for five different parties (one each for the main five in England).0 -
My last visit to Edinburgh was in 2008. Too expensive.Redditch said:
You will be lucky to get a hotel room in the centre of Edinburgh for less than £200 per night. Even Manchester you would struggle to get much for less than £150 per night. Our standard of living is being adjusted downward.DavidL said:
Yes, as others have pointed out hotel accommodation has had much higher inflation than most things since Covid. Getting even a modest hotel in Edinburgh room only for less than £150 a night is getting increasingly hard.FrancisUrquhart said:
Back in the day, for £500 could buy your half of Glasgow....DavidL said:
I have just paid £460 for 4 nights in really awful accommodation in Glasgow, not even any hot water. I am getting £320 back from my employer but that still leaves me quite significantly out of pocket. Which, if I had been living it up would be fair enough but even basic accommodation is no longer within the allowances.Mexicanpete said:
Being self employed my overnights come out of what I earn. Up until COVID I could get a late B&B package at a decent hotel ( I used Eastwood Hall for my Nottingham and Derby trips) for less than fifty quid. Prices are such that an overnight to the East Midlands is better served coming home and starting early the following day. Fifty quid in diesel being cheaper than £150 plus for an overnight stop.FrancisUrquhart said:
Yes hotels prices are crazy these days. Pre-pandemic, £100-150 could get your a half decent room in most places. Now we are talking £200-300 easy. I think I did £1000 in expenses on a 2 night trip overseas trip to Europe and it was literally just working and sleeping with some quick stops for pretty normal meals inbetween.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, totally agree. Allowances are sticky and take a long time to catch-up.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think people have really figured out just how much the inflation of the past 3 years has effected things.Casino_Royale said:
Now a salary of 65k.Jonathan said:
Check out where a salary of 100k puts you on the income distribution. You’ll be surprised.Casino_Royale said:
No, a level that many civil servants, GPs, consultants, head teachers, solicitors, businessmen and professionals now easily reach - they'd laugh at you calling them super-rich. You are hitting the successful middle-class.Jonathan said:
A figure that most voters would dream of, that’s your political problem. Take a look at the household income distribution if you do not believe me.Casino_Royale said:
It should be a priority. We elect our politicians to understand public opinion and then to lead it in the best interests of the country. Lots of people are now deliberately choosing jobs or working hours to avoid this tax-trap and it's sapping our productivity as a result. Even I've thought about giving up at times as I'm right in the middle of it.Jonathan said:
Politics is all about priorities and context. Making a feature of tax thresholds for the well off (however poorly designed) is not good politics today. It’s the sort of thing you do in budgets not election campaigns. You have to care about how policies are interpreted. As soon as you say 100k you’re on the defensive having to explain it.Casino_Royale said:
Again, a silly little remark trying to play it for laughs rather than engage in the substance.Jonathan said:
This was a party political broadcast by the Liz Truss Party.Casino_Royale said:
Fuck the optics. The £100k cliffedge is a disaster that has serious real-world economic and productivity impacts.Jonathan said:
Bad optics. They should steer well clear.FrancisUrquhart said:
£100k cliffedge is easy to change without costing anything. You can just change thresholds.Jonathan said:Why are the Tories talking about unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy? Do they think it’s an electoral win to resurrect Trussonomics? They should steer well clear from bold taxation moves. It undermines the core offer of Sunak and Hunt.
Such a confusing message.
The fact that everything in politics is about "optics" is one of our biggest problems.
Real leaders lead.
Even Nick Palmer ex-MP - who is pretty left-wing, let's remember - agrees this is an issue and regrets his part in bringing it in. Which was also about "optics".
Truss didn't propose to remove the 100k tax trap. It's one of the biggest marks against her 6 weeks in office, because she was also going for "optics" but of a different kind.
On the "well-off" point here's one for you: the 2009 budget introduced the 100k cliff edge from April 2010, just before that election. That's 100k in 2010 pounds.
Do you know what that's worth today, inflation-adjusted for 2024?
£65,000.
Somewhere along the line conservatives forgot how to do politics. You need people to vote for you.
But, your comment is very revealing.
It's very clear that under a Labour government your taxes will only be going in one direction: up.
Labour = taxes up
I was talking to an academic at a top university the other day and they said they are really struggling to get PhD students. I said Brexit? And he said, a bit, but stipend is the biggest problem. Its £18.5k outside of London. They said when they did their PhD their stipend in todays money would be £27k. Up until 3 years ago, yes stipends had fallen behind, I think they said it would have been about £20k in 2018 money, but equivalent of £7k inflated away.
Same with post-docs, their money is £20k below what it used to be in real times from 20 years ago.
I struggle to find compliant hotels within my company's expenses policy when I travel for work, now, except Travelodges etc.
Net effect? I can't find staff who are willing to travel to do client work.
Has it really got that expensive even in Glasgow? I haven't been for about 10 years, but I stayed in Raddison Blu and I don't think it cost me that for a week.
Not sure what is driving this. Minimum wage increases will have played a part but I begin to suspect some cartel activity.1 -
You're like a running version of @Sunil_Prasannanstate_go_away said:
At Parkrun he would have to avoid the Finish sign at the end though!BatteryCorrectHorse said:Sunak's team seem to have decided to copy the Ed Miliband approach of "actually he's one of the lads". If Sunak was just allowed to be the slightly nerdy, geeky, tech bro he is, nobody would mind.
I can totally buy him doing Park Run, so why not have him at one of those events? Or have him go to a cricket match or something.
OT I have done 175 parkruns over about ten years and still to get a finishing time in seconds of 19,20 and 36 - Parkrun bingo!1 -
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.1 -
"Diane Abbott should be shot" takes some beating. That's my red line.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted for Blair twice so not that partisan and whilst I have criticised previous Labour figures I do not do use the language some have re SunakFarooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.1 -
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.0 -
Will there be a reduction in Teams meetings?CarlottaVance said:The Civil Service has now entered the pre-election period.
This will last until the General Election concludes.
During this time there will be restrictions on communications activity and Government social media accounts will be quieter than usual.
https://x.com/cabinetofficeuk/status/1794262124207722528?
One can but hope.0 -
I would suggest that is rather well beyond most people's red lines. So bringing it up doesn't really answer Big_G's pointEabhal said:
"Diane Abbott should be shot" takes some beating. That's my red line.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted for Blair twice so not that partisan and whilst I have criticised previous Labour figures I do not do use the language some have re SunakFarooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.0 -
Not really. The contracts specify that they need to spend a few hours in the "target" seat, admittedly including polling day (but it's too late to retaliate if they don't). Labour candidates who want to be taken seriously in their own seats can do it without trouble.rottenborough said:Some people may be in for a right shock on 5th July.
@Tomorrow'sMPs
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🔴I feel slightly dishonest announcing all these Labour candidates for hopeless seats, as many of them aren't serious. Many Labour candidates in seats roughly beyond target 200 have had to sign contracts pledging to campaign in more promising seats most of the time.
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And it's the same right across the board.rottenborough said:
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.
Nothing is currently operating on a sustainable basis, and the fiscal sums only sort of add up by pretending that even more savings can be made.
And that is why the government deserves to lose and might be why they couldn't hold on until the autumn.1 -
Interesting post on the VoteUK discussion forum.
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/15767/retirements-2021?page=81
"The Tory Party, being the desperate and hopeless mess that it has become, has suddenly began ringing around people attempting to get them to stand in a seat because they don't have any candidates.
One person they rang said to them that he wasn't interested. He was self-employed and had a thriving business. "Why would I want to stand for you, in a seat I can't win, only to be ordered to go elsewhere and work in someone else's seat at my own expense, just to be dumped in the waste skip at the end of the campaign? Thanks, but no thanks."
Looks like the candidates department is finally reaping what they've sown over the years"2 -
Yes, I saw that. Smacks of Work, Family, Fatherland and I just can't place where I've seen that sort of logo before......Andy_JS said:
Their election slogan is Family, Food, Future.TheValiant said:I saw UKIP has elected a new leader, one Lois Perry earlier this month. No idea which seat she's standing in (if she even stands) yet.
I'm surprised UKIP are still going. What little I learned last night when I was glancing through the parties is that they've fallen totally into infighting and factionalism, along with some accusations of certain party members favouring other party members whilst they were dating them.
They should just pack up and either join Reform or go home.
https://x.com/CymruUKIP/status/1793664986923044985
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When they get offered the free stuff and the client media pretends its possible too many voters prefer the free stuff. Thats why it is great that Labour aren't promising never ending free stuff this time.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.0 -
Well it was £1k up to 2005 and £3k up to 2011.rottenborough said:
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.
The quality of UK universities hasn't improved by 900% over the last two decades.
I'd rather that it was universities which suffered the financial pain than inflicting more lifetime financial abuse upon teenagers.2 -
Why do you sound so bitter and angry when your party is about to win an election?Farooq said:
"You are a partisan" is a statement of how you are now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted for Blair twice so not that partisan and whilst I have criticised previous Labour figures I do not do use the language some have re SunakFarooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
You wear your 20+ year old Labour votes like amulets, thinking people can't criticise you for being a Tory hack when you jangle them. But it doesn't matter. All it means is you're not a lifelong cultist. You're still a partisan.0 -
Well, he's had years of practice.MattW said:This mornings R4 Week at Westminster was reasonably interesting:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001zlvh
One suggestion is that Ed Davey is deliberately being (involuntarily?) boring to avoid an experience like Cleggmania.1 -
Not really. I recall the media quickly shutting down criticism of Cameron especially on the class thing. He certainly didnt get a relentless hammering which is interesting given how mediocre he was.Malmesbury said:
The same hammering happened to Cameron. What was interesting was how he dealt with it - the chameleon (“my children rather like it”) or the Quattro thing.Farooq said:
Jesus, I hadn't noticed the pattern. I just reeled them off. That's... eye-opening.Redditch said:
Again its the old uk class system. None of those went to private school and were all with the possible exception of miliband from fairly modest backgrounds. The problem is these guys didnt have old public school pals in positions of power to cover for them.Farooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
Major was hammered at - and largely it failed to damage him. He was way more popular than his party, end to end.
Hague wasn’t much good outside of PMs questions in HoC.0 -
The nattering nabobs of negativism would do well to remember than we can still do great things as a country.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-10-000-migrants-arrive-in-uk-by-crossing-channel-in-small-boats-this-year-13142577
10,000! We did it!2 -
Doesn't stop people think they are entitled to it or thinking they will get it or complaining when they don't get it.noneoftheabove said:
When they get offered the free stuff and the client media pretends its possible too many voters prefer the free stuff. Thats why it is great that Labour aren't promising never ending free stuff this time.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
There's always someone else they can point to and say "take it from them and give it to me".0 -
Unspecified savings or 'reform' is the magical money tree approach to 'funding' things just from a different angle.Stuartinromford said:
And it's the same right across the board.rottenborough said:
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.
Nothing is currently operating on a sustainable basis, and the fiscal sums only sort of add up by pretending that even more savings can be made.
And that is why the government deserves to lose and might be why they couldn't hold on until the autumn.1 -
Even a B-36 would get overrun in about 12 minutes!kle4 said:
It'd have to be one large bomber to not be over in 5 minutes.Theuniondivvie said:
I would like to see that film..jamesdoyle said:
Misses the interesting point that the original script had everything happening on board an WW2 American bomber returning from a raid on Germany. Changed to a spaceship after Star Wars was a big hitLeon said:Superb TwiX thread on the making of Alien. It’s such a good thread it manages to terrify all by itself
https://x.com/atrightmovies/status/1794294040462282948?s=460 -
Are the candidates paid by Labour? If not what is the consideration that makes it a contract?NickPalmer said:
Not really. The contracts specify that they need to spend a few hours in the "target" seat, admittedly including polling day (but it's too late to retaliate if they don't). Labour candidates who want to be taken seriously in their own seats can do it without trouble.rottenborough said:Some people may be in for a right shock on 5th July.
@Tomorrow'sMPs
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🔴I feel slightly dishonest announcing all these Labour candidates for hopeless seats, as many of them aren't serious. Many Labour candidates in seats roughly beyond target 200 have had to sign contracts pledging to campaign in more promising seats most of the time.
https://x.com/tomorrowsmps0 -
Sure, some people will complain especially if they are getting worse off. Thats just to be expected, not a big deal if parties don't massively over promise as they have tended to under the likes of Corbyn and Johnson.another_richard said:
Doesn't stop people think they are entitled to it or thinking they will get it or complaining when they don't get it.noneoftheabove said:
When they get offered the free stuff and the client media pretends its possible too many voters prefer the free stuff. Thats why it is great that Labour aren't promising never ending free stuff this time.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
There's always someone else they can point to and say "take it from them and give it to me".0 -
No odds for Islington North yet?0
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To operate on a sustainable basis you have to live within your means.Stuartinromford said:
And it's the same right across the board.rottenborough said:
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.
Nothing is currently operating on a sustainable basis, and the fiscal sums only sort of add up by pretending that even more savings can be made.
And that is why the government deserves to lose and might be why they couldn't hold on until the autumn.
And that is what too many people, too many organisations and almost all governments refuse to do.
And as a whole what this country has done for over a generation.2 -
You are PHENOMENALLY angry and bitter, tho. To an extent it is quite entertainingFarooq said:
My party? I don't have one. Labour are probably going to win, but I'm probably not going to vote for them.Andy_JS said:
Why do you sound so bitter and angry when your party is about to win an election?Farooq said:
"You are a partisan" is a statement of how you are now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted for Blair twice so not that partisan and whilst I have criticised previous Labour figures I do not do use the language some have re SunakFarooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
You wear your 20+ year old Labour votes like amulets, thinking people can't criticise you for being a Tory hack when you jangle them. But it doesn't matter. All it means is you're not a lifelong cultist. You're still a partisan.0 -
The economy is just one giant Ponzi Scheme.another_richard said:
To operate on a sustainable basis you have to live within your means.Stuartinromford said:
And it's the same right across the board.rottenborough said:
Uk fee is now £6k in real terms says experts on Radio 4 documentary on HEIs the other day.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
Totally unsustainable.
Nothing is currently operating on a sustainable basis, and the fiscal sums only sort of add up by pretending that even more savings can be made.
And that is why the government deserves to lose and might be why they couldn't hold on until the autumn.
And that is what too many people, too many organisations and almost all governments refuse to do.
And as a whole what this country has done for over a generation.0 -
Perhaps because Cameron had "gravitas" (rightly or wrongly ) - People like this tend to not get ridiculedRedditch said:
Not really. I recall the media quickly shutting down criticism of Cameron especially on the class thing. He certainly didnt get a relentless hammering which is interesting given how mediocre he was.Malmesbury said:
The same hammering happened to Cameron. What was interesting was how he dealt with it - the chameleon (“my children rather like it”) or the Quattro thing.Farooq said:
Jesus, I hadn't noticed the pattern. I just reeled them off. That's... eye-opening.Redditch said:
Again its the old uk class system. None of those went to private school and were all with the possible exception of miliband from fairly modest backgrounds. The problem is these guys didnt have old public school pals in positions of power to cover for them.Farooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
Major was hammered at - and largely it failed to damage him. He was way more popular than his party, end to end.
Hague wasn’t much good outside of PMs questions in HoC.0 -
They appoint on the basis of name recognition, not ability. They do that in areas other than sport too, notably with music presenters.FrancisUrquhart said:Who at BBC radio thought having Wayne Rooney doing the analysis for the lead up to FA Cup Final. He is absolutely awful.
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D-Day, shurely.Farooq said:
That's the Dunkirk spirit!Dura_Ace said:The nattering nabobs of negativism would do well to remember than we can still do great things as a country.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-10-000-migrants-arrive-in-uk-by-crossing-channel-in-small-boats-this-year-13142577
10,000! We did it!0 -
If Andrew Bridgen is standing as an indie in NW Leicestershire , then its not on the radar of bet365 who make it a toss up between labour and the tories with Reform the only other party will less than a 100/1 tag0
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Roughly the same size as William the Conqueror's invasion fleet.Dura_Ace said:The nattering nabobs of negativism would do well to remember than we can still do great things as a country.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-10-000-migrants-arrive-in-uk-by-crossing-channel-in-small-boats-this-year-13142577
10,000! We did it!
@dailymail @dailyexpress1 -
The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.0 -
What people think they are entitled to is independent of what politicians promise.noneoftheabove said:
Sure, some people will complain especially if they are getting worse off. Thats just to be expected, not a big deal if parties don't massively over promise as they have tended to under the likes of Corbyn and Johnson.another_richard said:
Doesn't stop people think they are entitled to it or thinking they will get it or complaining when they don't get it.noneoftheabove said:
When they get offered the free stuff and the client media pretends its possible too many voters prefer the free stuff. Thats why it is great that Labour aren't promising never ending free stuff this time.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
There's always someone else they can point to and say "take it from them and give it to me".
People merely attach what they think they're entitled to to a political party and then complain if they don't get it irrespective of whether any politician promised it them.
There are some egregious cases of politicians making precise promises and then blatantly breaking them - Clegg and tuition fees for example - but overall I actually feel sympathetic to politicians on this.1 -
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
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Poor?numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right.0 -
Yes he certainly had that public school confidence.state_go_away said:
Perhaps because Cameron had "gravitas" (rightly or wrongly ) - People like this tend to not get ridiculedRedditch said:
Not really. I recall the media quickly shutting down criticism of Cameron especially on the class thing. He certainly didnt get a relentless hammering which is interesting given how mediocre he was.Malmesbury said:
The same hammering happened to Cameron. What was interesting was how he dealt with it - the chameleon (“my children rather like it”) or the Quattro thing.Farooq said:
Jesus, I hadn't noticed the pattern. I just reeled them off. That's... eye-opening.Redditch said:
Again its the old uk class system. None of those went to private school and were all with the possible exception of miliband from fairly modest backgrounds. The problem is these guys didnt have old public school pals in positions of power to cover for them.Farooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
Major was hammered at - and largely it failed to damage him. He was way more popular than his party, end to end.
Hague wasn’t much good outside of PMs questions in HoC.1 -
Poor in political friends.Chris said:
Poor?numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right.0 -
I don’t think that’s entirely right is it? The idea was gremlins on the Bomber, not an Alien. That film was always intended to be sci fi.jamesdoyle said:
Misses the interesting point that the original script had everything happening on board an WW2 American bomber returning from a raid on Germany. Changed to a spaceship after Star Wars was a big hitLeon said:Superb TwiX thread on the making of Alien. It’s such a good thread it manages to terrify all by itself
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The public also don't complaint or don't negatively react to a failed promise or u-turn, if they think its a good idea or it's just not that important to them. A failure to meet immigration targets has not hurt the Tories until very recently.another_richard said:
What people think they are entitled to is independent of what politicians promise.noneoftheabove said:
Sure, some people will complain especially if they are getting worse off. Thats just to be expected, not a big deal if parties don't massively over promise as they have tended to under the likes of Corbyn and Johnson.another_richard said:
Doesn't stop people think they are entitled to it or thinking they will get it or complaining when they don't get it.noneoftheabove said:
When they get offered the free stuff and the client media pretends its possible too many voters prefer the free stuff. Thats why it is great that Labour aren't promising never ending free stuff this time.another_richard said:
The problem is its what too many people think they're entitled to.noneoftheabove said:
Does anyone think universities can cope with the same nominal funding in 2035?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Bridget Phillipson has refused to rule out a rise in feeswooliedyed said:Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)
Thought Labour were for the youngish vote but reality kicking in maybe
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-bridget-phillipson-criticised-for-refusing-to-rule-out-tuition-fee-hike-13142619
We definitely shouldn't want governments who promise indefinite no increases in stuff.
So no increase in prices, no increase in housing costs and no increase in taxes for anything that applies to them.
And apparently its the government's responsibility to ensure it and make some other group take the cost.
There's always someone else they can point to and say "take it from them and give it to me".
People merely attach what they think they're entitled to to a political party and then complain if they don't get it irrespective of whether any politician promised it them.
There are some egregious cases of politicians making precise promises and then blatantly breaking them - Clegg and tuition fees for example - but overall I actually feel sympathetic to politicians on this.0 -
Rishi's tried hard to associate himself with Parkrun - he's mentioned doing his local one quite often, and got a bit of publicity over hosting one at 10 Downing St last month: https://www.parkrun.org.uk/pomphreyhill/news/2024/04/25/inaugural-parkrun-of-downing-street-london/BatteryCorrectHorse said:Sunak's team seem to have decided to copy the Ed Miliband approach of "actually he's one of the lads". If Sunak was just allowed to be the slightly nerdy, geeky, tech bro he is, nobody would mind.
I can totally buy him doing Park Run, so why not have him at one of those events? Or have him go to a cricket match or something.
Weirdly, for all that, he only appears to have actually registered for a single race: https://www.parkrun.org.uk/northallerton/parkrunner/4770263/ (he managed a pretty decent time, though!)
(Labour were out leafletting people before my local Parkrun this morning - they seemed to be getting a fairly cheery reception...)0 -
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.0 -
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.0 -
A bit of a silly comment.MattW said:This mornings R4 Week at Westminster was reasonably interesting:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001zlvh
One suggestion is that Ed Davey is deliberately being (involuntarily?) boring to avoid an experience like Cleggmania.
Sir Ed is has a detailed election campaign plan and is not going to be much distracted from it. The Lib Dems campaign team is extremely focussed across the board and pretty ruthless about getting the target seats across the line. I don´t believe they think anything else really matters at this point.0 -
That would be where ingenuity would come in.kle4 said:
It'd have to be one large bomber to not be over in 5 minutes.Theuniondivvie said:
I would like to see that film..jamesdoyle said:
Misses the interesting point that the original script had everything happening on board an WW2 American bomber returning from a raid on Germany. Changed to a spaceship after Star Wars was a big hitLeon said:Superb TwiX thread on the making of Alien. It’s such a good thread it manages to terrify all by itself
https://x.com/atrightmovies/status/1794294040462282948?s=46
I can imagine the end scene, battered B17 rolls to a halt, no crew disembarking or visible, puzzled ground crew approaches..0 -
What is happening to Kate Middleton.
Troubling if correct. HRH The Princess of Wales will probably “not appear in public for the rest of the year,” and is being “surrounded” by her birth family as she continues a course of preventive chemotherapy having been diagnosed with cancer earlier this year. God bless, Kate!
https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1794252766019285264
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Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.2 -
Afternoon all
Picking through the entrails of the YouGov from this morning:
The England Sub Sample has Labour on 45%, Conservatives 23%, Reform 15%, LDs 10%, Greens 7% - the previous poll had 47-22-12-10-7
Now, those of you on the sharp side will notice the first poll numbers add up to 100 and the second adds up to 98 so Labour -2, Conservative +1 and Reform +3 are more likely to be rounding changes than any significant move.
Redfield & Wilton publish actual numbers rather than just percentages so we can see the tiny difference between a percentage rounded down or one rounded up.
Perhaps the BPC should ask all pollsters to report their figures to one decimal place.
As YouGov themselves say These changes are all within the margin of error from our last poll
The Don't Knows are running at 15% while the Won't Votes are at 10% - now, the 8-10 likelihood to vote has gone from 68% to 72%. The Conservatives have only 66% certain to vote but moving to the 8-10 likelihood, the Conservatives are at 87%, Labour at 89% and the LDs at 86%.0 -
I can confirm that here is Wales no-one seems to care.Farooq said:
SOME of it absolutely has been ridiculous. I'm not sure about the Wales / football one. I've heard some people say it was awkward silence after he asked (if so, yeah, it was a gaffe) but I haven't watched the clip.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
But that's not my point. My point it that suddenly the boot is on the other foot and people who were quite silent about unfair press treatment of one party are now rending their garments over the unfair press treatment of their party. And that's the kind of whining that I have no sympathy for, even if they're right in some cases.
In short, turnaround is fair game.
Starmer has said something interesting. He wants to lower the voting age to 16. It would nice if someone would ask him how he feels about young people increasingly getting their news from TikTok.1 -
Sounds like tabloid bollocks to me. There’s no way a decision like that will have been taken that far in advance if she is on a treatment course. It will require constant monitoring of her health condition and adaptation to those circumstances.Redditch said:What is happening to Kate Middleton.
Troubling if correct. HRH The Princess of Wales will probably “not appear in public for the rest of the year,” and is being “surrounded” by her birth family as she continues a course of preventive chemotherapy having been diagnosed with cancer earlier this year. God bless, Kate!
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Starmer will not be so naive to claim that "[England] have only ever won a major tournament when Labour were in government". About half the UK population will immediately point out that England won the Euros with Boris Johnson in No. 10 in Summer 2022.1
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"ZaNuLabour" was another one the witless enjoyed sharing on here.Peter_the_Punter said:
Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.1 -
This is getting ridiculous now.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.2 -
No, we aren't. Part of the role of Prime Minister (and LOTO and indeed any Party leader) is to have a thick skin. Your opponents will find a stick with which to beat you whatever you say and whatever you do.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
EVERY Prime Minister gets this treatment - once it was deferential satire in Punch, in the age of television it became more visible - look at how The Frost Report lampooned MacMillan and Spitting Image's treatment of Thatcher and Major.
As to why Sunak went out without an umbrella, that's a different question but once he did he must have known what was going to happen. Unintentional "gaffes" are so much easier in the digital image, quicker to spread and harder to shut down.
Would you rather we return to an age of deference? Fine but that requires a lot of people whose self interest is derived from mocking their political opponents to cease and desist and they won't, they never have and they never will.
Starmer will get it constantly if he becomes PM - he'll be attacked every day by some on here who simply either son't like him or his politics.0 -
Jezza short odds on imodixiedean said:No odds for Islington North yet?
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And such people will be tiresome bores. The rest of us will stick to putting the boot in when required.stodge said:
No, we aren't. Part of the role of Prime Minister (and LOTO and indeed any Party leader) is to have a thick skin. Your opponents will find a stick with which to beat you whatever you say and whatever you do.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
EVERY Prime Minister gets this treatment - once it was deferential satire in Punch, in the age of television it became more visible - look at how The Frost Report lampooned MacMillan and Spitting Image's treatment of Thatcher and Major.
As to why Sunak went out without an umbrella, that's a different question but once he did he must have known what was going to happen. Unintentional "gaffes" are so much easier in the digital image, quicker to spread and harder to shut down.
Would you rather we return to an age of deference? Fine but that requires a lot of people whose self interest is derived from mocking their political opponents to cease and desist and they won't, they never have and they never will.
Starmer will get it constantly if he becomes PM - he'll be attacked every day by some on here who simply either son't like him or his politics.1 -
praying for Her Royal HighnessRedditch said:What is happening to Kate Middleton.
Troubling if correct. HRH The Princess of Wales will probably “not appear in public for the rest of the year,” and is being “surrounded” by her birth family as she continues a course of preventive chemotherapy having been diagnosed with cancer earlier this year. God bless, Kate!
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You can kind of imagine them grinning inanely as they wait for you to laugh in admiration at the originality of their wit. Of course no organisation, group or clique has a monopoly of such tedious buffoonery, but it does seem to be overrepresented in political parties - of all color.The_Woodpecker said:
"ZaNuLabour" was another one the witless enjoyed sharing on here.Peter_the_Punter said:
Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.0 -
he is 1/2 with ladbrokes to win a seat (under specials)bigjohnowls said:
Jezza short odds on imodixiedean said:No odds for Islington North yet?
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One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.1 -
With regards to the Premier League ou are right, except for 2005 which I think Chelski won. Although if we retrospectively apply fair financial play rules, Arsenal take the title. So yeah 100%.Alanbrooke said:
It's the rule of football. A blue team has won the League so PM will be blue too.Mexicanpete said:
Looking good @GIN1138 . Do you think the eight point drop in Lab-Con in just a fortnight is down to Rishi's campaign start? The advantage of surprise over everyone else, allowing the Tories to hit the ground running- face first.GIN1138 said:Morning PB
Polls already dropping and it's not even Saturday evening yet? #Popcorn on standby0 -
Professor Brian Cox syndrome.Peter_the_Punter said:
They appoint on the basis of name recognition, not ability. They do that in areas other than sport too, notably with music presenters.FrancisUrquhart said:Who at BBC radio thought having Wayne Rooney doing the analysis for the lead up to FA Cup Final. He is absolutely awful.
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The football gaffe was a gaffe. The ruined suit line was a self-deprecating joke.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.2 -
YG seems to have moved from biggest Labour lead (30 only 16 days ago) to middle of the packstodge said:Afternoon all
Picking through the entrails of the YouGov from this morning:
The England Sub Sample has Labour on 45%, Conservatives 23%, Reform 15%, LDs 10%, Greens 7% - the previous poll had 47-22-12-10-7
Now, those of you on the sharp side will notice the first poll numbers add up to 100 and the second adds up to 98 so Labour -2, Conservative +1 and Reform +3 are more likely to be rounding changes than any significant move.
Redfield & Wilton publish actual numbers rather than just percentages so we can see the tiny difference between a percentage rounded down or one rounded up.
Perhaps the BPC should ask all pollsters to report their figures to one decimal place.
As YouGov themselves say These changes are all within the margin of error from our last poll
The Don't Knows are running at 15% while the Won't Votes are at 10% - now, the 8-10 likelihood to vote has gone from 68% to 72%. The Conservatives have only 66% certain to vote but moving to the 8-10 likelihood, the Conservatives are at 87%, Labour at 89% and the LDs at 86%.0 -
You're not wrong - I'm more than happy to criticise (or praise) Sunak for his actions as Prime Minister and for the policies and actions of the Government which he leads and there's plenty of ammunition which can be deployed on that subject.FrankBooth said:
And such people will be tiresome bores. The rest of us will stick to putting the boot in when required.stodge said:
No, we aren't. Part of the role of Prime Minister (and LOTO and indeed any Party leader) is to have a thick skin. Your opponents will find a stick with which to beat you whatever you say and whatever you do.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
EVERY Prime Minister gets this treatment - once it was deferential satire in Punch, in the age of television it became more visible - look at how The Frost Report lampooned MacMillan and Spitting Image's treatment of Thatcher and Major.
As to why Sunak went out without an umbrella, that's a different question but once he did he must have known what was going to happen. Unintentional "gaffes" are so much easier in the digital image, quicker to spread and harder to shut down.
Would you rather we return to an age of deference? Fine but that requires a lot of people whose self interest is derived from mocking their political opponents to cease and desist and they won't, they never have and they never will.
Starmer will get it constantly if he becomes PM - he'll be attacked every day by some on here who simply either son't like him or his politics.
I would much rather hear about the record of the Government and its performance but part of the nature of modern GE campaigning is to prevent that kind of serious interrogation. The PM (or LOTO) goes to a friendly place surrounded by friendly faces who would cheer him if he read out extracts from the local phone book.
In essence, during a GE, the electorate, rather than Parliament, becomes the instigator of accountability as MPs cease to be MPs on dissolution yet holding the Government (and Opposition) to account is what an election should be about rather than a Presidential style series of video opportunities or vox pops where the most difficult question is asking what you had for breakfast that morning.1 -
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
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If you're so defensive of Sunak, I'm afraid you're going to be in for an uncomfortable few weeks!TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
Please let me know if I have to apply for special permission from you to make such an obvious comment.0 -
Does anyone live in Islington North and intend to vote for Corbyn? Genuine question, not sarcastic.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/25/loved-islington-voters-40-year-connection-to-jeremy-corbyn0 -
Shoes you say? Any examples of the type of shoes that get criticised or is this a hypothetical case?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.0 -
They're going to fly off the shelf.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
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"So unfair!"FrankBooth said:
This is getting ridiculous now.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.0 -
I wonder what it is that tips the scales if you vote Corbyn rather than Labour? Islington North is really quite a ghastly place under the Corbyn watch - it used to have a really quite vibrant feel - not so now though - the Corbyn effect in my view.state_go_away said:
he is 1/2 with ladbrokes to win a seat (under specials)bigjohnowls said:
Jezza short odds on imodixiedean said:No odds for Islington North yet?
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I recently spent £70 on a top - apart from some suits, it was the most expensive clothing item I've ever purchased.Farooq said:
Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
Not because I'm inherently frugal, I put it down to growing up in hand me downs. I don't think I ever had a piece of clothing which hadn't been owned by at least one older sibling first, so buying clothes for myself feels weird.1 -
That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.Farooq said:
Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html0 -
EUSSR. Oh, how we laughed.The_Woodpecker said:
"ZaNuLabour" was another one the witless enjoyed sharing on here.Peter_the_Punter said:
Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.turbotubbs said:
My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?Farooq said:
"This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environmentFarooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.0 -
I don't particularly care about fairness and I've never voted Tory.Chris said:
"So unfair!"FrankBooth said:
This is getting ridiculous now.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
Try getting out more.0 -
Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.Farooq said:
Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html0 -
One thing Guido did last election which I thought was rather good was a daily summary which in brief terms captured key talking points, polls, cutthroughs etc. For all he is very partisan, I recall them being played relatively straight, including mentioning days when really nothing cut through at all.
TORIES
Sunak in Northern Ireland (followed by Birmingham) visits Titanic Quarter in Belfast, asked if he is a “sinking ship“.
Energy bills are down, Labour would hike them.
Topline(s):
Starmer doesn’t have the guts to debate, how can he stand up to Putin.
LABOUR
Launches Scottish campaign.
There will be no new unannounced tax rises under a Labour government.
Starmer will debate Sunak, but only twice.
Topline(s):
Labour needs Scotland to win.
LIBDEM
Health focus: “legislate for 24-hour GP appointment rights”
Topline(s):
LibDems will hire 8,000 extra GPs
REFORM
Running clips from launch rally yesterday with immigration focus.
Topline(s):
Tories’ Rwanda farce will not stop the boats.
Cutting through:
Tory exodus: same number standing down as 1997.
Latest polls:
YouGov: CON: 21 (+1) LAB: 46 (-1) LDEM: 9 (=) REF: 12 (+1) GRN: 7 (-1)
https://order-order.com/2024/05/24/42-days-to-go-debating-debates/0 -
Real life examples sadly.kle4 said:
Shoes you say? Any examples of the type of shoes that get criticised or is this a hypothetical case?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
Some PBers mentioned I wore ruby red trainers to a PB meet.
My colleagues will tell you about my Salvatore Ferragamo loafers which in the first few weeks of breaking in made farting sounds on the marble floors of the office.
They were described as £1,000 whoopee cushions for my feet.
There are countless other examples.0 -
I have absolutely no idea about these things but I am assured by those that, well know more than me, that the Canada Goose brand has become quite chavy.El_Capitano said:
Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.Farooq said:
Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
Whatever that means.0 -
More that, a bit like Major, he ignored it. Or mocked the mockery (in Cameron’s case).state_go_away said:
Perhaps because Cameron had "gravitas" (rightly or wrongly ) - People like this tend to not get ridiculedRedditch said:
Not really. I recall the media quickly shutting down criticism of Cameron especially on the class thing. He certainly didnt get a relentless hammering which is interesting given how mediocre he was.Malmesbury said:
The same hammering happened to Cameron. What was interesting was how he dealt with it - the chameleon (“my children rather like it”) or the Quattro thing.Farooq said:
Jesus, I hadn't noticed the pattern. I just reeled them off. That's... eye-opening.Redditch said:
Again its the old uk class system. None of those went to private school and were all with the possible exception of miliband from fairly modest backgrounds. The problem is these guys didnt have old public school pals in positions of power to cover for them.Farooq said:
Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.mickydroy said:
Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imowilliamglenn said:
He should give them the benefit of his experience:Mexicanpete said:
Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".CarlottaVance said:EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.
The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay
Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269
"I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
Major was hammered at - and largely it failed to damage him. He was way more popular than his party, end to end.
Hague wasn’t much good outside of PMs questions in HoC.
I recall, when he became opposition leader, that there was some upset from the Guardian et al that the usual attacks on Tory leaders wasn’t working.
The secret is, I think, for the person in question to be confident in themselves. Cameron was 100% fine with being Cameron, in a public role. Major was 100% fine with being John Major.
Kinnock seemed about 70% enthused with being Kinnock. Brown seemed really unhappy. Miliband seemed like an early version of Sunak.
Starmer seems to be about 95% on that scale.
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Do they require a down payment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html5 -
I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.0 -
Can only see 2 markets he is 1/2 or 8/13 the latter was before the selection of a Lab Candidatebigjohnowls said:
Jezza short odds on imodixiedean said:No odds for Islington North yet?
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If you can't see how that joke about ruining a suit costing several thousand pounds is relevant to the perception of our multi-millionaire prime minister being out of touch with ordinary people, in just the same way as dozens of other things he's been mocked for, perhaps you need to get out a bit more?FrankBooth said:
I don't particularly care about fairness and I've never voted Tory.Chris said:
"So unfair!"FrankBooth said:
This is getting ridiculous now.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
Try getting out more.0 -
By the way, more trouble at Thames Water.
If it hasn't been posted yet, this is an interesting article by an Australian (left wing) on Macquarie's role in the disaster.
https://michaelwest.com.au/macquarie-bank-privatisation-and-the-collapse-of-thames-water/0 -
It did lead to an interesting discussion a few years ago which I started which askedEl_Capitano said:
Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.Farooq said:
Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.Farooq said:
Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
There's a world out there I'm not party to.
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
'What is the plural of Canada Goose jackets? Is it 2 Canada Goose jackets or Canada Geese jackets?'1 -
If in doubt, toss out an accusation of racism ...FrankBooth said:
I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.0 -
I've known for years, remember Corbyn's only Labour can unlock the potential of ethnic minorities?FrankBooth said:
I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.1 -
I remember you accused Tory members of racism because they wanted Sunak out and went all silent when I pointed those same members wanted Badenoch, Patel, or Braverman to replace him.Chris said:
If in doubt, toss out an accusation of racism ...FrankBooth said:
I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.0 -
As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.0 -
TBF that does sound like material for Jennifer Saunders. Did they really cost £1000?TheScreamingEagles said:
My colleagues will tell you about my Salvatore Ferragamo loafers which in the first few weeks of breaking in made farting sounds on the marble floors of the office.kle4 said:
Shoes you say? Any examples of the type of shoes that get criticised or is this a hypothetical case?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
They were described as £1,000 whoopee cushions for my feet.
There are countless other examples.0 -
No, they cost £995 reduced from £1,295.FrankBooth said:
TBF that does sound like material for Jennifer Saunders. Did they really cost £1000?TheScreamingEagles said:
My colleagues will tell you about my Salvatore Ferragamo loafers which in the first few weeks of breaking in made farting sounds on the marble floors of the office.kle4 said:
Shoes you say? Any examples of the type of shoes that get criticised or is this a hypothetical case?TheScreamingEagles said:
One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.turbotubbs said:
Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.numbertwelve said:
I thought it was a fair enough line.Chris said:The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
"no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."
Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.
The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.
Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
They were described as £1,000 whoopee cushions for my feet.
There are countless other examples.2
