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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    Sunak's team seem to have decided to copy the Ed Miliband approach of "actually he's one of the lads". If Sunak was just allowed to be the slightly nerdy, geeky, tech bro he is, nobody would mind.

    I can totally buy him doing Park Run, so why not have him at one of those events? Or have him go to a cricket match or something.

    What would we do for our campaign to be PM?

    Spend the days on PB?

    Play Fallout New Vegas again, promising that this time you'll play with the Legion and kill Craig Boone, only to join the NCR afterall?

    Don't know how well either of those would play with the electorate.......
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    kle4 said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    Shoes you say? Any examples of the type of shoes that get criticised or is this a hypothetical case?
    My colleagues will tell you about my Salvatore Ferragamo loafers which in the first few weeks of breaking in made farting sounds on the marble floors of the office.

    They were described as £1,000 whoopee cushions for my feet.

    There are countless other examples.
    TBF that does sound like material for Jennifer Saunders. Did they really cost £1000?
    No, they cost £995 reduced from £1,295.
    I would say you have an eye for a bargain. But...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    all my coats are second hand.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,844

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
    Or Barbour. That's my funeral jacket for the rain - and lots of pockets - else it's one of a set of variably tatty anorak waterproofs from Tisos.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,844

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    all my coats are second hand.
    Well, if you inist on wearing nutria all the time ...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Try TK Maxx. You never know what you might find.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    DavidL said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?
    There's a world out there I'm not party to.
    Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.

    https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
    Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.
    That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.
    Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.
    I have absolutely no idea about these things but I am assured by those that, well know more than me, that the Canada Goose brand has become quite chavy.

    Whatever that means.
    I've just been called a chav, I am logging off for the day.

    The next few threads will see that Nigel Farage photo deployed.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
    Or Barbour. That's my funeral jacket for the rain - and lots of pockets - else it's one of a set of variably tatty anorak waterproofs from Tisos.
    What The North Face have in their favour some of their coats are 3-in-1 or 2-in-1 jackets, so you can use it all year round.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
    Oddly I just looked! The Exhale Gilet appeals, but - sigh - only two pockets.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Is he signalling his desire to be locked up?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    I fully appreciate that this is a large and competitive field but the instructions I got with my "cordless weed eater" I bought from Amazon are a truly spectacular effort as the worst I have ever seen.

    They have 4 pictures of how you might do something wrong and none, that is zero, about how you might put it together correctly. They also have this magnificent sentence:
    "According to the 4 stuck points on the machine head, place the protective cover at 45 degrees according to the stitching lines on the left and right of the machine shells of the machine head."

    No pictures, no diagram showing what the "machine head" might be, no clarity as to what a "stitching line" might be, or a "machine shell" or 45 degrees from what. A truly brilliant effort. It is almost worth buying this piece of metal to get the opportunity to admire such artistry.

    On the plus side United are not behind yet.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
    About 30 years ago I spent £70 or £80 on a Rohan fleece. I’ve still got it, and it’s fine for occasions, which aren’t THAT formal.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,335
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    all my coats are second hand.
    Well, if you inist on wearing nutria all the time ...
    if you want a fur coat I can arrange it for you. My daughter in laws place is plagued with coypu.

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.

    The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.
    If in doubt, toss out an accusation of racism ...
    I remember you accused Tory members of racism because they wanted Sunak out and went all silent when I pointed those same members wanted Badenoch, Patel, or Braverman to replace him.
    Oh, please!

    I pointed out the fact that the anti-immigrant right were not likely to favour Sunak, for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.

    Your comment about other right-wing Tories also being the children of immigrants.is absolutely irrelevant to that obvious observation.

    It's crazy enough that you should want to absolve the far right of racist feelings. Now you seem to want to accuse others of racism, just for criticising Sunak. Despite the fact you've criticised him so much yourself. Oh well - par for the course in Internet discourse, I suppose ...

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    edited May 25
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.

    The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.
    If in doubt, toss out an accusation of racism ...
    I remember you accused Tory members of racism because they wanted Sunak out and went all silent when I pointed those same members wanted Badenoch, Patel, or Braverman to replace him.
    Oh, please!

    I pointed out the fact that the anti-immigrant right were not likely to favour Sunak, for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.

    Your comment about other right-wing Tories also being the children of immigrants.is absolutely irrelevant to that obvious observation.

    It's crazy enough that you should want to absolve the far right of racist feelings. Now you seem to want to accuse others of racism, just for criticising Sunak. Despite the fact you've criticised him so much yourself. Oh well - par for the course in Internet discourse, I suppose ...

    Oh fuck off.

    I love it when people like you lecture me about racism.

    I know you are incredibly dumb but I am not one of Sunak's fans, I am pointing out the ludicrosity of some of the attacks on Sunak.

    They will be as effective as comparing David Cameron to Gene Hunt.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    As a bona fide Yorkshireman this another subject I am eminently qualified to discuss.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,974

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    mickydroy said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.

    The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay

    Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business


    https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269

    Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".
    He should give them the benefit of his experience:

    "I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
    Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imo
    Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.
    I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environment
    "This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.
    You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
    My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?
    Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.

    We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.
    "ZaNuLabour" was another one the witless enjoyed sharing on here.
    Useless still a lot of chortlesome mileage left it appears despite him having left the stage.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    I'm glad you've noticed. I have been trying to point this out for some time.

    The left only like racial minorities when they behave like a proletariat.
    If in doubt, toss out an accusation of racism ...
    I remember you accused Tory members of racism because they wanted Sunak out and went all silent when I pointed those same members wanted Badenoch, Patel, or Braverman to replace him.
    Oh, please!

    I pointed out the fact that the anti-immigrant right were not likely to favour Sunak, for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.

    Your comment about other right-wing Tories also being the children of immigrants.is absolutely irrelevant to that obvious observation.

    It's crazy enough that you should want to absolve the far right of racist feelings. Now you seem to want to accuse others of racism, just for criticising Sunak. Despite the fact you've criticised him so much yourself. Oh well - par for the course in Internet discourse, I suppose ...

    Oh fuck off.

    I love it when people like you lecture me about racism.

    I know you are incredibly dumb but I am not one of Sunak's fans, I am pointing out the ludicrosity of some of the attacks on Sunak.

    They will be as effective as comparing David Cameron to Gene Hunt.
    Fire up the quattro.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    As a bona fide Yorkshireman this another subject I am eminently qualified to discuss.
    I simply do not want to know how much your flat cap cost you. I am suffering deeply from sartorial inadequacy and don't think I can take another round of it.

    Was is more than £25?
    I don't own a flat cap, never have.

    I have a Panama hat though.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    dixiedean said:

    No odds for Islington North yet?

    Jezza short odds on imo
    Can only see 2 markets he is 1/2 or 8/13 the latter was before the selection of a Lab Candidate
    I'd like him to win not because I rate him but it would be good to have at least a few independent left wing voices but I heard a pollster explain why it's most unlikely he will. So at those odds time to make a killing...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    edited May 25
    If it was possible to bet on Starmer getting fewer votes than Corbyn, I'd definitely be interested. Someone mentioned it a few days ago on here IIRC.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Archer's back! (Jofra, not Jeffrey)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,844
    edited May 25

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    all my coats are second hand.
    Well, if you inist on wearing nutria all the time ...
    if you want a fur coat I can arrange it for you. My daughter in laws place is plagued with coypu.

    Tempting, given they are introduced pests, but the hassle on the streets would be too much ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    edited May 25

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Actually, I will shut up, because I've thought about it and realised I'm wrong.

    I also bought a new pair of sandals three years ago.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Missed out on "make Great Britain great again"
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    When I was last in the market for trainers, I asked my brother for recommendations, as we're both hefty lads (16 stone plus) and he has vastly more experience. At which point I learned that in running circles, we big guys are officially known as Clydesdales, which designation I am proud to have.
    And if you're a Clydesdale too, then New Balance 1080s are absolutely brilliant - but always buy last season's - £80 not £160.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    all my coats are second hand.
    Well, if you inist on wearing nutria all the time ...
    if you want a fur coat I can arrange it for you. My daughter in laws place is plagued with coypu.

    Tempting, given they are introduced pests, but the hassle on the streets would be too much ...
    If you want something a bit earthier she can also do wild boar.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    A good, or even a reasonable, flat cap will last for years and years. Provided you don’t use it to clean t’ whippet
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    edited May 25
    So there's an England - Pakistan T20, the Fa Cup Final, and Monaco F1 qualifying all on at the same time. Going to be a bit tricky to watch them all.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    CatMan said:

    Archer's back! (Jofra, not Jeffrey)

    Is he injured yet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    eristdoof said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Missed out on "make Great Britain great again"
    Either way the acronym is not easy to pronounce.

    Maybe go for MUKGA instead.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    DavidL said:

    CatMan said:

    Archer's back! (Jofra, not Jeffrey)

    Is he injured yet?
    Hah! Pakistan put England in, so not yet, but given his luck he'll probably get hit on the hand while batting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Try TK Maxx. You never know what you might find.
    Does anyone buy their Kappa shell suits from anywhere else?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    A good, or even a reasonable, flat cap will last for years and years.
    Because so few occasions to wear one?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    CatMan said:

    So there's an England - Pakistan T20, the Fa Cup Final, and Monaco F1 qualifying all on at the same time. Going to be a bit tricky to watch them all.

    I've had to borrow a few iPads from other people in the house to watch all these.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    For interest. You can get a 1 bed shared ownership flat in London with an minimum household income of £32k, a deposit of £3.5k. Monthly costs are £700 (service charge/rent), mortgage = £1050.

    ie: https://lqhomes.com/barkingriverside/properties/plot-89-the-waylen-collett-mansions/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435
    kle4 said:

    eristdoof said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Missed out on "make Great Britain great again"
    Either way the acronym is not easy to pronounce.

    Maybe go for MUKGA instead.
    Doesn’t he play for Pakistan?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    As a bona fide Yorkshireman this another subject I am eminently qualified to discuss.
    I simply do not want to know how much your flat cap cost you. I am suffering deeply from sartorial inadequacy and don't think I can take another round of it.

    Was is more than £25?
    I don't own a flat cap, never have.

    I have a Panama hat though.
    A Yorkshireman bar t'at? Does a Panama hat lend itself as well as a flat cap for ferret transportation?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    As a rule I have three or four coats: one for funerals, one for winter (heavy and warm), one for summer (light and hoodless), another for inbetween days. My summer coat has died so I am going into town to buy a new one. It will be from either Next or M&S and cost less than £100. It may be a gilet if I can find one with four pockets. What I really need is a civilian version of this since I carry lots of stuff routinely but it would look silly. So it's going to have to be something utilitarian with lots of pockets but something that doesn't make you look like a nutter.
    Get yourself to The North Face.
    It's right next to the Jungfrau (Engl.: Virgin)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    eristdoof said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Missed out on "make Great Britain great again"
    Once, Tice, Three times a loser this time isn't it Richard?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    A good, or even a reasonable, flat cap will last for years and years.
    Because so few occasions to wear one?
    I inherited one from my father but the only person to wear it since has been the odd snowman.

  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 67

    The Conservative Party appears to be undergoing what SpaceX call a RUD - Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.

    — Brian Cox (@ProfBrianCox) May 25, 2024
  • ianian Posts: 23
    Surely ferrets are transorted in the trousers
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Are you after the Tennant Dr Who look?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    CatMan said:

    So there's an England - Pakistan T20, the Fa Cup Final, and Monaco F1 qualifying all on at the same time. Going to be a bit tricky to watch them all.

    I've had to borrow a few iPads from other people in the house to watch all these.
    I'm going to switch over once its 3-0.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    As a Woke millennial, I only wear buckskin and mink.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    Big_Ian said:

    The Conservative Party appears to be undergoing what SpaceX call a RUD - Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.

    — Brian Cox (@ProfBrianCox) May 25, 2024
    Things can only get better.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Thank you all for the responses. Millets/North Face look good, and - surprisingly - TK Maxx looked even better. And yes, I'm not snobbish about charity shops either. But due to a certain amount of time-criticality it will be either M&S or Next. Will let you know how it goes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    I agree.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    darkage said:

    For interest. You can get a 1 bed shared ownership flat in London with an minimum household income of £32k, a deposit of £3.5k. Monthly costs are £700 (service charge/rent), mortgage = £1050.

    ie: https://lqhomes.com/barkingriverside/properties/plot-89-the-waylen-collett-mansions/

    The fun fact about those places, though, is even though you only own a tiny (in the linked case, 25% share), you are liable for 100% of the upkeep costs of the property.

    That reflects in the service charge (you're paying 100% of the regular maintenence costs for the flat) but also for bigger costs. So if you get a major section 20 bill in for, say, a new roof or new windows totalling 20k, you're on the hook for the full 20k rather than the 5k, which should be your "share".

    Then you have the issue of spiralling service charges here's an example of someone's annual service charge rising from £4k a year to £16k - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c884m42lvk8o



  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    That was a good catch.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    I agree.
    Viciously abused at Scarborough when playing for Essex a few years ago. Fortunately Essex won in two days. (IIRC).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    I just know if I spent a grand on some shoes or piece of clothing, I'd spill curry or mustard or red wine on it within seconds

    I've bought three suits and two pairs of trainers since 2019.

    That's it.
    Can it, Doc, unless you want the Four Yorkshiremen showing up again. :(
    Course, when I were lad it were just TWO Yorkshiremen.
    You were lucky
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    I agree.
    On a personal level its not hard to have sympathy. But people do need to understand that the consequences of such behaviour are grave indeed so that they are not tempted.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,974
    DavidL said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?
    There's a world out there I'm not party to.
    Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.

    https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
    Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.
    That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.
    Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.
    I have absolutely no idea about these things but I am assured by those that, well know more than me, that the Canada Goose brand has become quite chavy.

    Whatever that means.
    They were chavvy 10 seconds after a Stone Island badged football fan spotted them in a shop window.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    Also worth pointing out

    A: he admitted it;

    B: he was actually entrapped into it by a notorious criminal working for an equally dodgy organisation so there is a very valid question as to whether he should have been punished.

    My view is 'yes' because he *thought* he was committing a crime. But if that pig Mazher Mahmood wasn't in the dock too a fine should have met the case.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,271
    kyf_100 said:

    darkage said:

    For interest. You can get a 1 bed shared ownership flat in London with an minimum household income of £32k, a deposit of £3.5k. Monthly costs are £700 (service charge/rent), mortgage = £1050.

    ie: https://lqhomes.com/barkingriverside/properties/plot-89-the-waylen-collett-mansions/

    The fun fact about those places, though, is even though you only own a tiny (in the linked case, 25% share), you are liable for 100% of the upkeep costs of the property.

    That reflects in the service charge (you're paying 100% of the regular maintenence costs for the flat) but also for bigger costs. So if you get a major section 20 bill in for, say, a new roof or new windows totalling 20k, you're on the hook for the full 20k rather than the 5k, which should be your "share".

    Then you have the issue of spiralling service charges here's an example of someone's annual service charge rising from £4k a year to £16k - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c884m42lvk8o



    Yes. Some of this stuff is pretty much a con.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435
    DavidL said:

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    I agree.
    On a personal level its not hard to have sympathy. But people do need to understand that the consequences of such behaviour are grave indeed so that they are not tempted.
    I don’t disagree, in general. But, AIUI, a 17 year old Amir was advised to consider a particular player as mentor, and said player was not by any stretch of the imagination suitable for role.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    DavidL said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?
    There's a world out there I'm not party to.
    Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.

    https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
    Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.
    That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.
    Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.
    I have absolutely no idea about these things but I am assured by those that, well know more than me, that the Canada Goose brand has become quite chavy.

    Whatever that means.
    They were chavvy 10 seconds after a Stone Island badged football fan spotted them in a shop window.
    I'll have to take your word for that Divvie.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    DavidL said:

    Part of me still finds it very difficult to see Mohammed Amir bowling in international matches.

    Gravely deceived and misled as a lad. Over-punished, IMHO, and now he’s served his time.
    I think he deserves credit.
    I agree.
    On a personal level its not hard to have sympathy. But people do need to understand that the consequences of such behaviour are grave indeed so that they are not tempted.
    Agreed.

    So why was Mahmood not given 20 years for bribing somebody to throw a cricket match so he could make money from them?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
     
    DavidL said:

    I fully appreciate that this is a large and competitive field but the instructions I got with my "cordless weed eater" I bought from Amazon are a truly spectacular effort as the worst I have ever seen.

    They have 4 pictures of how you might do something wrong and none, that is zero, about how you might put it together correctly. They also have this magnificent sentence:
    "According to the 4 stuck points on the machine head, place the protective cover at 45 degrees according to the stitching lines on the left and right of the machine shells of the machine head."

    No pictures, no diagram showing what the "machine head" might be, no clarity as to what a "stitching line" might be, or a "machine shell" or 45 degrees from what. A truly brilliant effort. It is almost worth buying this piece of metal to get the opportunity to admire such artistry.

    On the plus side United are not behind yet.

    The Manchesters are on BBC Scotland and the Old Firm is on BBC1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,572
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Reform will make Britain 'great again' - Tice"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69059992

    Is he signalling his desire to be locked up?
    Just signalling that he is a complete and utter Trumpian tw@.

    And that's been cleaned up.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,572
    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    mickydroy said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Labour has re-branded its flagship package of workers rights and employment reforms.

    The New Deal will now be known as Labour's Plan To Make Work Pay

    Starmer wants to sharpen core message of putting money in people's pockets and reassure business


    https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1794299971878912269

    Can Rishi sue for breach of copyright? Only Rishi has a plan. "Starmer has no plan, Labour will take you back to square one".
    He should give them the benefit of his experience:

    "I’ll tell you what happens with plans. You start with far-fetched goals. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the months sticking to that - outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs - and you end up in the grotesque chaos of standing in the pouring rain in Downing Street, calling an election that you cannot win."
    Still think Kinnock was better than he is portrayed, was treated appallingly by the right wing media, all he ever seems to be remembered is for falling in the water, done a lot of the hard yards for Blair, imo
    Kinnock, Major, Hague, Brown, Miliband were all unfairly maligned. The people like Big_G having fits about how unfairly Sunak has been portrayed over the past few days are mostly of the type who didn't give a fuck when it was only happening to Labour leaders over the past 20 years, which is why I'm pretty short on sympathy with them. They are, strictly speaking, correct, of course: Sunak is getting it in the neck for non-mistakes. But if you only whine when it's affecting your team, you can stuff it.
    I have just read that and I am not having a fit and saying it is unfair, but suggesting some of it is unnecessary and adds to the general view that being in politics is not something many would aspire to in this environment
    "This" environment has been around for many years. Nothing has changed, only the direction of the can't-do-right criticism.
    You just haven't noticed because you're a partisan for one of the two sides.
    My complaint is that a lot of it has been ridiculous - see the alleged football ‘gaffe’. You may feel that Tory voters on PB have been doing this to Labour politicians but can you give me an example of anything so rubbish?
    Can you imaging how mind numbingly wearying it was to read about Bliar in posts from those with the kind of eleven year old mentality that finds that sort of thing hilarious? First time, maybe....but some were clinging to the witless misspelling long after he had retired.

    We all have to put up with that kind of childishness in all walks of life. Fact is some people never grow up. It's best ignored, though it can be difficult sometimes.
    "ZaNuLabour" was another one the witless enjoyed sharing on here.
    EUSSR. Oh, how we laughed.
    Until we Brexited.

    When there was a sense of humour failure....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
    I just did a Reddit post on Musk, and I've got dozens of commenters claiming he knows nothing about computers, engineering and software, and is a "dumb kid" who got "lucky with an emerald mine". This is not just one random nutter, there are lots of people with these bizarre views. I find it exasperatingly low-watt, but also interesting as a phenomenon. As I have said before, it is quite similar to the way some people over-reacted to Brexit, it sent them mad. And also Trump (tho with Trump there is greater reason to feel spooked)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    ...
    ydoethur said:

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
    Student loan?

    Hereford and Worcester County Council took the hit for me. As I recall as if by magic they paid free beer tokens every term into my bank account.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    I doubt it.

    But I suspect it will give me great personal amusement over the next five years.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    ydoethur said:

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
    I left 5 years of University with an honours degree and a Diploma and not a penny of debt. Not many pennies in credit either but no debt at all. My generation was spoilt rotten, no doubt about it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,271
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
    I just did a Reddit post on Musk, and I've got dozens of commenters claiming he knows nothing about computers, engineering and software, and is a "dumb kid" who got "lucky with an emerald mine". This is not just one random nutter, there are lots of people with these bizarre views. I find it exasperatingly low-watt, but also interesting as a phenomenon. As I have said before, it is quite similar to the way some people over-reacted to Brexit, it sent them mad. And also Trump (tho with Trump there is greater reason to feel spooked)
    His actual skill seems to moving systems from TRL 3 to 9, faster than others.

    https://esto.nasa.gov/trl/

    I think it fair to say that is at least as valuable as primary invention, if not more so.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,902
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    This is getting ridiculous now.
    "So unfair!"
    I don't particularly care about fairness and I've never voted Tory.

    Try getting out more.
    If you can't see how that joke about ruining a suit costing several thousand pounds is relevant to the perception of our multi-millionaire prime minister being out of touch with ordinary people, in just the same way as dozens of other things he's been mocked for, perhaps you need to get out a bit more?
    Yes but the thing is, even if they know how much Rishi spends on suits, and most won't, they won't care because rich bloke buys posh clobber goes without saying, but the joke about being caught out in the rain is universal. You are getting upset on other people's behalf. On the other hand, Rishi's genuine gaffes include Welsh football, planted astroturfers, and the Titanic.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    City v United is like Claude AI v Google
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    Probably not.

    That doesn't make it untrue, of course.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited May 25
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    Because some people believe his words and actions mark him out as a fascist. That's a perfectly reasonable reason to despise someone, and not in the least bit odd.

    The only question is, are they wrong or right about that?
    I don't think he is remotely close to being a fascist, but anyway that is irrelevant to my point. A lot of the anger directed at Musk is eerily personal and visceral, and not connected to his politics. People hate him in some unhinged way, to the extent they will seriously argue he is a moron barely able to fry an egg

    In short: he triggers a certain type of person, generally less intelligent people but not always - and I can't yet work out why
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,271
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
    I left 5 years of University with an honours degree and a Diploma and not a penny of debt. Not many pennies in credit either but no debt at all. My generation was spoilt rotten, no doubt about it.
    Likewise.

    Is there a good overview of the various mechanism, in various countries, for funding 50%+ tertiary education?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
    I left 5 years of University with an honours degree and a Diploma and not a penny of debt. Not many pennies in credit either but no debt at all. My generation was spoilt rotten, no doubt about it.
    I graduated in 1982 with no student loan to repay. Income tax was 30%. Your call.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    DavidL said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    The BBC reports from Sunak's breakfast photo-opportunity in a pub, when asked about his sodden Downing Street speech:
    "no pneumonia yet, my suit on the other hand ... I'm not quite sure what state it will be in when I get back down to London."

    Given that his suits are variously stated to cost £2,000-3,000, I wonder how this bit of humour will resonate with people struggling to make ends meet.

    I thought it was a fair enough line.

    The poor man can’t do anything right it seems.
    Laughing at himself and still people have to mock? We are a weird country.
    One thing I've noticed from lefties is criticism of Asian minorities when it comes to spending money on clothes and shoes.

    How dare we get uppity by refusing to shop at M&S.

    Comments like 'more money than sense' or 'did you get dressed in the dark?' are designed to keep us in our place.
    Wait, are you saying M&S is the cheap option?
    There's a world out there I'm not party to.
    Have a look at the price of Canada Goose jackets as an example.

    https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/expedition-parka-heritage-4660M.html
    Fuck me, that's more than I've spent on all the coats I've ever owned, combined.
    That's not even the most expensive Canada Goose jacket on the market, but the most comfortable, like if The North Face and Louis Vuitton created a new hybrid brand.
    Naming an aspirational clothing brand after a pest that honks a lot and shits everywhere seems an... interesting branding choice.
    I have absolutely no idea about these things but I am assured by those that, well know more than me, that the Canada Goose brand has become quite chavy.

    Whatever that means.
    They also replaced their USP, actual real feathers.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
    I just did a Reddit post on Musk, and I've got dozens of commenters claiming he knows nothing about computers, engineering and software, and is a "dumb kid" who got "lucky with an emerald mine". This is not just one random nutter, there are lots of people with these bizarre views. I find it exasperatingly low-watt, but also interesting as a phenomenon. As I have said before, it is quite similar to the way some people over-reacted to Brexit, it sent them mad. And also Trump (tho with Trump there is greater reason to feel spooked)
    His actual skill seems to moving systems from TRL 3 to 9, faster than others.

    https://esto.nasa.gov/trl/

    I think it fair to say that is at least as valuable as primary invention, if not more so.
    Musk isn't stupid but he often says stupid things.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited May 25
    Starmer of course also has very expensive bespoke suits. Its weird that these politicians don't want to look like Jezza for some reason, rather actually look a serious politician.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    oooh!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Blimey, wasn't expecting United to take the lead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
    I just did a Reddit post on Musk, and I've got dozens of commenters claiming he knows nothing about computers, engineering and software, and is a "dumb kid" who got "lucky with an emerald mine". This is not just one random nutter, there are lots of people with these bizarre views. I find it exasperatingly low-watt, but also interesting as a phenomenon. As I have said before, it is quite similar to the way some people over-reacted to Brexit, it sent them mad. And also Trump (tho with Trump there is greater reason to feel spooked)
    His actual skill seems to moving systems from TRL 3 to 9, faster than others.

    https://esto.nasa.gov/trl/

    I think it fair to say that is at least as valuable as primary invention, if not more so.
    Indeed, he is indisputably gifted

    I believe I've worked out why he makes bad predictions (eg self drive cars next Wednesday). It is because he's rather like me (bear with me) - ie he is good at extrapolating, at seeing where technology could and should go, and what it might then do. But he's such a manic enthusiast he extrapolates too wildly, and shortens timelines in his excitement, and thus makes foolishly over-optimistic assumptions. Plus of course sometimes he is selling his own stock

    Nonetheless he is generally right, you just have to double or triple his timelines
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    Starmer of course also has very expensive bespoke suits. Its weird that these politicians don't want to look like Jezza for some reason, rather actually look a serious politician.

    Expensive or not he really isn't a great suit-wearer. Which is odd.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited May 25
    geoffw said:

    City v United is like Claude AI v Google

    Why have Man Utd been caught drinking their own piss to stay hydrated? Rocks rather than orange halves for half time.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,902
    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    Why are you posting this rubbish on the posh anoraks thread? What trainers does Elon favour?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    If Man City are the Tories and Man U are Labour, was that goal a metaphor?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    WHY do people hate Elon Musk so much? It's quite insane, the level of anger and loathing he generates

    I am not a Musk fanboi, I think he is often an awkward twit and is socially inept, and prone to grandiosity and confabulation. But he is also a highly intelligent man with a dash of inventive genius, one of the "great men" of our time. Yet people are so filled with hatred for him they try and argue he is "dim". It is profoundly odd

    He's abrasive and invites reaction for fun, it's his personality for the most part.

    Dim I very much doubt, but like many powerful people he talks nonsense on things he's ignorant about.
    I just did a Reddit post on Musk, and I've got dozens of commenters claiming he knows nothing about computers, engineering and software, and is a "dumb kid" who got "lucky with an emerald mine". This is not just one random nutter, there are lots of people with these bizarre views. I find it exasperatingly low-watt, but also interesting as a phenomenon. As I have said before, it is quite similar to the way some people over-reacted to Brexit, it sent them mad. And also Trump (tho with Trump there is greater reason to feel spooked)
    His actual skill seems to moving systems from TRL 3 to 9, faster than others.

    https://esto.nasa.gov/trl/

    I think it fair to say that is at least as valuable as primary invention, if not more so.
    Musk isn't stupid but he often says stupid things.
    Yes, that's fair. But he admits to his Asperger's, which explains that social incompetence and the sometimes weird, aggravating statements
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,435

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    ...

    Unite not happy with Labour's changes to the New Deal for workers, but unless they act with the £££ they've just been stitched up (again)

    The first of many groups.

    Well second and third - students and graduates have already been told they're behind the oldies in order of priority.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=469
    This does seem to be the Tory tactic. We're rubbish and Labour are no better. Best not to vote at all unless you are over 65!

    Is it a winning formula?

    It was a genuinely glorious feeling to clear my student loan the other week.

    Of course, being the SLC known as the Stupid Loan Company they first got the figure wrong, then gave me the wrong account details and finally told me the wrong payment reference.

    But when I had finally worked through all that by patiently referring them to their own website and saw a balance of £0.00 there it was worth it.
    I left 5 years of University with an honours degree and a Diploma and not a penny of debt. Not many pennies in credit either but no debt at all. My generation was spoilt rotten, no doubt about it.
    I graduated in 1982 with no student loan to repay. Income tax was 30%. Your call.
    The year (or so) before me, now in their late 80’s spent the first two years after University or other FE in National Service.
    Those who left a little later had the best of it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    edited May 25
    Ha!
    Offside but good try
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    edited May 25
    Wow. Edit. Offside.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited May 25
    Musk has made the cardinal sin. Everybody thought he was a progressive as he was on the eco-train, then they have realised that he makes statements in which he is voices more right wing talking points and given back platforms to alt-right types. A lot of online twatterati hate a turncoat far more than the "nazis".

    The reaction over this take over twitter are so OTT. I remember the claims that sacking everybody it would total break in no time. Since then every tech company has made big layoffs. Also Telegram has 50 employees and 1 billion users.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    Wow.
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