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Ignore real votes and listen to the wise people, polls , especially negative ones for the Tories are much more important. Let us forget that last weeks Ashcroft poll told a slightly different storyMrEd said:I don't think the Tories are burying their head in the sand - it is more that in every actual vote in God knows how long, Labour is not doing well:
- it nearly lost Heywood and Middleton
- it's vote collapsed in Rochester (the Conservatives also fell but as NF said, it was labour-leaning Strood that switched decisively)
- it didn't do anything in Clacton
- Bar London, Labour had an awful European election result.
The thing that ought to frighten Labour is that, every time when people are focused on voting, Labour seems to suffer.0 -
Given the starting point and world economic conditions, the government has done quite astonishingly well. In absolute terms the UK is in a massively better position than it was in 2010, and in relative terms is doing better than any other major economy apart from the US (and in some ways even better than the US).Luckyguy1983 said:Are you sure the real reason that you're limiting your exposure to the British economy isn't that you realise whoever wins the next election, the economy is doomed, because all Cameron and Osborne have been doing has been kicking the can and allowing Labour being worse to mask their own wilful refusal to stem the gushing arterial bleeding of money out of this country?
Of course there are huge challenges, but so there are in China (and the commodity-reliant economies like Australia), Japan, and most particularly the Eurozone. We can get through it and gradually get back on track, if we continue Osborne's well-judged economic policies, or we can slide back into decline like France under Hollande. The electorate will decide which it is.0 -
I was thinking of giving him the title of Malleus ScotorumIshmael_X said:
Sir Mark Thatcher; unless of course he is made, let us say, Duke of Barlinnie to endear him further to his subjects.TheScreamingEagles said:
A Directly Elected Dictator of the United Kingdom will appoint regional governors to run the provinces.RobD said:
Sunil will agree: we need regional governors.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need to abolish local government.TGOHF said:
Time to sack some diversity coordinators ?TheScreamingEagles said:Funding crisis leaves Newcastle facing ‘impossible cuts’ and social unrest
Leader of city council says ‘embers of unrest are starting to smoulder’ with many authorities on brink of financial collapse
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/24/funding-crisis-newcastle-impossible-cuts-social-unrest
Think of the efficiency savings.
Scotland will be special, and have a Viceroy.
Mark Thatcher.0 -
They should stop wasting money on crap like this, no wonder normal people have no sympathy:john_zims said:@TGOHF
'Of the £22.4billion handed over by families in council tax in England in 2012-13, some £5.7billion went towards paying for council workers’ pensions'
And the Council leader in Newcastle is whining about cuts.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-city-council-spends-3600-80869910 -
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.0 -
Rochester effect:
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 7m7 minutes ago
YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Respite for Ed Mili as 4 point lead back with UKIP's Rochester bounce. LAB 34%, CON 30%, UKIP 18%, LDEM 6%, GRN 6%0 -
We can't afford public sector pensions either, can we scrap them as well please?NickPalmer said:
No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. The important thing is the lessons people learn - if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.bigjohnowls said:
Unsurprisingly I like the policyTheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
But even I can see privately educated Hunt will be ridiculed0 -
If that's the case, let's have a cull of the many other narrowly focused 'charities' we can no longer afford. There's plenty of streamlining to be done there.NickPalmer said:
No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. The important thing is the lessons people learn - if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.bigjohnowls said:
Unsurprisingly I like the policyTheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
But even I can see privately educated Hunt will be ridiculed0 -
Who's going to make the decision whether a private school is "compliant"? Some Labour-appointed quangocrat?john_zims said:@TSE
'Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.'
So the tax break ends and lots of private schools close / are priced out of business,hope Hunt has a plan and budget to fund all the additional state school students.
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They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
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That's weird, I distinctly remember you saying that cutting the deficit by half was inadequate and that losing AAA rating would be catastrophic. You used to condemn others for mentioning the global economy.Richard_Nabavi said:
Given the starting point, the government has done quite astonishingly well. In absolute terms the UK is in a massively better position than it was in 2010, and in relative terms is doing better than any other major economy apart from the US.Luckyguy1983 said:Are you sure the real reason that you're limiting your exposure to the British economy isn't that you realise whoever wins the next election, the economy is doomed, because all Cameron and Osborne have been doing has been kicking the can and allowing Labour being worse to mask their own wilful refusal to stem the gushing arterial bleeding of money out of this country?
Of course there are huge challenges, but so there are in China (and the commodity-reliant economies like Australia), Japan, and most particularly the Eurozone. We can get through it and dradually get back on track, if we continue Osborne's well-judged economic policies, or we can slide back into decline like France under Hollande. The electorate will decide which it is.
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LAB lead 4% with YouGov
LAB 34% (+1)
CON 30% (-3)
UKIP 18% (+2)
LD 6%=
GRN 6%=
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Fantastic Monday polls for LAB Average poll lead today 4.67% good start for this weeks ELBOWTheScreamingEagles said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Respite for Ed Mili as 4 point lead back with UKIP's Rochester bounce. LAB 34%, CON 30%, UKIP 18%, LDEM 6%, GRN 6%
Tonights YG LAB 345 CON 255 LD 21 (UKPR)
EICIPM
YG Nov average looks like only being a 1% lead though so still all to play for
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@Nick_Palmer
' if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.'
So what's the additional cost of say 50% of privately educated students switching to state education ?0 -
Today's polls have Labour leads of 5, 5 and 4.
Tomorrow night we should have the comres phone poll.
It will be interesting to see how things settle by the end of the week, if UKIP can produce another record high with any pollster and if the Labour lead continues at these levels.0 -
After Chuck Hagel leaves the Defense Department as Obama seeks a new Secretary to take the fight to ISIS, Rand Paul asks for a declaration of war against ISIS
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us/politics/rand-paul-calls-for-a-formal-declaration-of-war-against-isis.html?_r=2&assetType=nyt_now0 -
It's Labour's politics of envy. They like to destroy all that is good in this country (says a grammar school boy).bigjohnowls said:
Unsurprisingly I like the policyTheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
But even I can see privately educated Hunt will be ridiculed
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Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
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God are we back to this nonsense again. Soak the rich, class war etc etc etc.john_zims said:@TSE
'Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.'
So the tax break ends and lots of private schools close / are priced out of business,hope Hunt has a plan and budget to fund all the additional state school students.
Last time they were in power it was all about the charity commissions (who shouldn't be political) leaning on schools to do Labour's dirty work.
Ed is definitely trying to pi$$ off any final remaining inspirational middle class types that loved Blair in 97.0 -
4%, 5%, 5%....and the PB Hodges fall down the polling crossover hill.....AGAIN. Shares in Tramadol are soaring.....PB Hodges are falling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPL3yv-LbHA0 -
I'm looking forward to these late-night threads during the weeks running up to the General Election. In 2010 you could set your watch by them, so to speak:
'Wibbly wobbly Tory bottoms...'
'Cameron! Pledge a referendum on EU membership. Now!'
'Just sack Osborne.'
'That Michael Crick really is a ...'0 -
I received a video message from Paddy Ashdown this evening thanking me for a donation to the Lib Dems. No problem there - I give quite frequently. But apparently someone - or a group of someones - have matched my donation and all others. I have been trying to find out who these people are - and how much has been raised. Can anyone help?
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No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
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Don't confuse him, he is Labour so money doesn't concern him, someone else will payjohn_zims said:@Nick_Palmer
' if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.'
So what's the additional cost of say 50% of privately educated students switching to state education ?0 -
Interesting headline on one of the news networks talking about Hagel's ouster: The Chuck Stops HereHYUFD said:After Chuck Hagel leaves the Defense Department as Obama seeks a new Secretary to take the fight to ISIS, Rand Paul asks for a declaration of war against ISIS
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us/politics/rand-paul-calls-for-a-formal-declaration-of-war-against-isis.html?_r=2&assetType=nyt_now0 -
Why yet another new account?Bobajob_ said:Test
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Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?0
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- Cutting the deficit in half is inadequate, and more needs to be done.Jonathan said:That's weird, I distinctly remember you saying that cutting the deficit by half was inadequate and that losing AAA rating would be catastrophic. You used to condemn others for mentioning the global economy.
- Luckily we kept our AAA rating with S+P, the most important ratings agency, but, yes, the wobble of 2010/11 was worrying.
- I have never, ever, on any occasion, condemned anyone for considering global economic conditions when evaluating the UK's performance. Quite the opposite, in fact; I pointed out on many occasions that Labour's legacy was to leave us with the worst deficit of any major economy, a mind-blowing overspend under Darling of one pound for every three pounds of revenue.0 -
You forgot the LD's, also Ed's little helpers.TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
By committing political suicide they have done wonders for Labour.0 -
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.0 -
Alan Bown, his way of ensuring UKIP continue to thrive.slade said:I received a video message from Paddy Ashdown this evening thanking me for a donation to the Lib Dems. No problem there - I give quite frequently. But apparently someone - or a group of someones - have matched my donation and all others. I have been trying to find out who these people are - and how much has been raised. Can anyone help?
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Like Diane Abbott?FrancisUrquhart said:
God are we back to this nonsense again. Soak the rich, class war etc etc etc.john_zims said:@TSE
'Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.'
So the tax break ends and lots of private schools close / are priced out of business,hope Hunt has a plan and budget to fund all the additional state school students.
Last time they were in power it was all about the charity commissions (who shouldn't be political) leaning on schools to do Labour's dirty work.
Ed is definitely trying to pi$$ off any final remaining inspirational middle class types that loved Blair in 97.0 -
I am sure the sun, daily mail, express, star et al will still run with the Hunt story for months though.NickPalmer said:
No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. The important thing is the lessons people learn - if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.bigjohnowls said:
Unsurprisingly I like the policyTheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
But even I can see privately educated Hunt will be ridiculed
As I say I agree with the policy but playing the man will weaken its appeal i think0 -
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
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Can't you work it out?Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
Smaller class sizes so more teachers, better facilities etc0 -
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
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Wednesday is the biggest travel day of the year here.
A huge winter storm is due to hit the mid-atlantic and northeast at about mid-day Wednesday.
It's the perfect excuse not to travel for Thanksgiving! :-)0 -
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
Why yet another new account?Bobajob_ said:Test
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You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.RodCrosby said:Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.0 -
There are somewhat more than 600,000 children in independent schools. To lose the charitable status tax breaks would be the equivalent of roughly £1200 per head. If the schools tell HMG to muck off they lose any obligation to partner state schools, share teachers and facilities, provide bursaries etc. at a cost that given the current scale of fees is not terribly significant. Some of the smaller schools might be forced to close but overall who would actually gain by removing charitable status?0
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And BTW I'm no UKIPer.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
I voted EDP in the SYPCC election - the UKIP candidate was crap and was an ex-plod.
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Barking.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.0 -
So in short the Tories have failed on their primary goal...Richard_Nabavi said:
- Cutting the deficit in half is inadequate, and more needs to be done.Jonathan said:That's weird, I distinctly remember you saying that cutting the deficit by half was inadequate and that losing AAA rating would be catastrophic. You used to condemn others for mentioning the global economy.
- Luckily we kept our AAA rating with S+P, the most important ratings agency, but, yes, the wobble of 2010/11 was worrying.
- I have never, ever, on any occasion, condemned anyone for considering global economic conditions when evaluating the UK's performance. Quite the opposite, in fact; I pointed out on many occasions that Labour's legacy was to leave us with the worst deficit of any major economy, a mind-blowing overspend under Darling of one pound for every three pounds of revenue.
"We will safeguard Britain’s credit rating with a credible plan to eliminate the bulk of the structural deficit over a Parliament. "
We can only assume that they will fail again in next parliament if given the chance.
Sadly, we cannot afford another 5 wasted years. So we have to take the latest claims of Tory grand economic plans with a heap of salt.
And FWIW you have certainly spun 180 degrees on considering global factors in the causes of UK performance.0 -
Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment...Speedy said:
You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.RodCrosby said:Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.0 -
The average private school fee is almost 3 times the average spend per student in state schools. The class sizes should be single digits by a simple teacher ratio and so on.TheWatcher said:
Can't you work it out?Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
Smaller class sizes so more teachers, better facilities etc0 -
I don't think most people who voted Blair in 1997 would in hindsight vote for Blair or anyone like Blair ever again.FrancisUrquhart said:
God are we back to this nonsense again. Soak the rich, class war etc etc etc.john_zims said:@TSE
'Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.'
So the tax break ends and lots of private schools close / are priced out of business,hope Hunt has a plan and budget to fund all the additional state school students.
Last time they were in power it was all about the charity commissions (who shouldn't be political) leaning on schools to do Labour's dirty work.
Ed is definitely trying to pi$$ off any final remaining inspirational middle class types that loved Blair in 97.0 -
Ashcroft = Angus ReidMikeSmithson said:
I find it totally amazing how Tories on this site fail to see the weakness of their position. They are betting everything on a belief that negative views of EdM will see them through.0 -
The whole thing is bollox, its purpose is to keep bigjohnowls happy.HurstLlama said:There are somewhat more than 600,000 children in independent schools. To lose the charitable status tax breaks would be the equivalent of roughly £1200 per head. If the schools tell HMG to muck off they lose any obligation to partner state schools, share teachers and facilities, provide bursaries etc. at a cost that given the current scale of fees is not terribly significant. Some of the smaller schools might be forced to close but overall who would actually gain by removing charitable status?
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Spending should balance over the economic cycle.Richard_Nabavi said:
- Cutting the deficit in half is inadequate, and more needs to be done.Jonathan said:That's weird, I distinctly remember you saying that cutting the deficit by half was inadequate and that losing AAA rating would be catastrophic. You used to condemn others for mentioning the global economy.
- Luckily we kept our AAA rating with S+P, the most important ratings agency, but, yes, the wobble of 2010/11 was worrying.
- I have never, ever, on any occasion, condemned anyone for considering global economic conditions when evaluating the UK's performance. Quite the opposite, in fact; I pointed out on many occasions that Labour's legacy was to leave us with the worst deficit of any major economy, a mind-blowing overspend under Darling of one pound for every three pounds of revenue.
What the govt are doing as well as creating growth to do just that, is to cut is spending and in part raise taxes to eliminate the structural deficit.
''According to the latest International Monetary Fund fiscal monitor, the cyclically-adjusted deficit has come down from 10.3% of gross domestic product in 2009 to 4.1% this year, a big reduction. One reason is that there is still a lot left to do is that Osborne toughened his own target, aiming for an overall budget surplus in the next parliament rather than just eliminating the current deficit.''
http://www.economicsuk.com/blog/002058.html#more
http://www.economicsuk.com/blog/002059.html
'Forecasts are forecasts, and they could all be wrong. All the forecasters emphasise that there are risks, particularly in the eurozone. But if we look at the detail of what is happening, it suggests we should not be too pessimistic ..... That is also the outlook for the eurozone, but it is important to distinguish between the current growth weakness, centred on France, Italy and Germany, and the earlier pronounced weakness of the so-called peripheral economies – Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Greece – which threatened to break up the system. There is much less risk of euro break-up, which would have given us a second global financial crisis, then than now.'0 -
Some might charge 10k pounds - when my daughter attended my old boarding school, it was MUCH more than that.Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
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I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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You need to write the password down!!Bobajob_ said:
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OGH So the main switch from Tory to UKIP, as stated a post Rochester UKIP bounce, no real boost for Miliband0
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Perhaps you'd like to give your views on the government's response to the Rotherham report ?saddened said:
Barking.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
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Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.Bobajob_ said:
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TimB Indeed, but who will replace him?0
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Local private schools here have class sizes of 10 to 15, equivalent State schools have 30 plus.Quincel said:
The average private school fee is almost 3 times the average spend per student in state schools. The class sizes should be single digits by a simple teacher ratio and so on.TheWatcher said:
Can't you work it out?Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
Smaller class sizes so more teachers, better facilities etc
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I'll pay 2.1bigjohnowls said:
Multiple Accounts are against PB rules I think Bob.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.PBModerator said:
Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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Only 2?bigjohnowls said:
Multiple Accounts are against PB rules I think Bob.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.0 -
Never do that and also ensure it is randomly generated so nobody can guess or remember it (including yourself)RobD said:
You need to write the password down!!Bobajob_ said:
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2, with a following 0.RobD said:
Only 2?bigjohnowls said:
Multiple Accounts are against PB rules I think Bob.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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I've had this feeling for some time that Mike could be rather bitter about how it's all turned out for the Lib's....0
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Thanks - this new one appears to work anyway.bigjohnowls said:
Multiple Accounts are against PB rules I think Bob.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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"To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name".
Wonder what that means?
How many screen names can you have?0 -
No, I most certainly haven't. I have always considered global factors in assessing the UK economic performance.Jonathan said:And FWIW you have certainly spun 180 degrees on considering global factors in the causes of UK performance.
For some bizarre reason (well, not bizarre, it's very obvious) Labour supporters don't seem to be able to keep two ideas in their heads simultaneously: 1 Labour was not responsible for the global financial crisis; 2 Labour was responsible for the particularly dire relative performance of the UK when the crisis hit.0 -
One too many "only"s in there. I guess PB Moderator isn't infallible.bigjohnowls said:"To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name".
Wonder what that means?
How many screen names can you have?
I'll prepare myself for smoting.0 -
Why would I get involved in discussion with somebody who would use the abuse of children as a weapon to attack a poster of good repute on here?another_richard said:
Perhaps you'd like to give your views on the government's response to the Rotherham report ?saddened said:
Barking.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.0 -
So does the last boy scoutsaddened said:
But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.PBModerator said:
Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
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Maybe if Tristram Hunt and his privately educated peers Shirley Williams and Richard Crossland had not tried to close down most of the grammar schools more state schools would have been able to compete with the top private schools. Even Finland selects at 16. Labour also ended assisted places, one of the best ways for talented pupils from lower income backgrounds to get a private school place0
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AKA.They didn't fix the roof while the sun was shining and maxed out GB's credit card.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, I most certainly haven't. I have always considered global factors in assessing the UK economic performance.Jonathan said:And FWIW you have certainly spun 180 degrees on considering global factors in the causes of UK performance.
For some bizarre reason (well, not bizarre, it's very obvious) Labour supporters don't seem to be able to keep two ideas in their heads simultaneously: 1 Labour was not responsible for the global financial crisis; 2 Labour was responsible for the particularly dire relative performance of the UK when the crisis hit.
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20-30% goes on fee reductions for scholars, bursaries, etc.Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
Teachers typically are significantly higher paid
There is also substantial investment (arguably over investment) in facilities0 -
Royal Palaces and the Prater are a must. So many great museums including the Art History museum in the museum quarter. St Stephens cathedral disappointed me a bit as I found it too dark - Voltivskirche, MinoritenKirche, Franciscan Church etc much better. Town Hall is a hugely impressive building as well as the Parliament. Make sure you visit Demmel, the famous cake shop just off the main shopping street. Musikverein - the main concert hall for the great New Year concerts is a must at night if you ask me. The zoo is also well worth a visit (oldest zoo in the world IIRC). Such a great city - 2nd best in Europe after Venice IMHO if we exclude London from consideration. Try and visit one of the many coffee shops as well. Didn't get time to go to the Jewish quarter (district 2) so would want to take that in next time I visit. Don't bother with the OPEC building, probably the most modern in the centre of Vienna and looks horridly out of place compared to its majestic surroundings.RodCrosby said:
Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment...Speedy said:
You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.RodCrosby said:Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.0 -
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Hurrah, bring back grammar schools is a huge thing for meHYUFD said:Maybe if Tristram Hunt and his privately educated peers Shirley Williams and Richard Crossland had not tried to close down most of the grammar schools more state schools would have been able to compete with the top private schools. Even Finland selects at 16. Labour also ended assisted places, one of the best ways for talented pupils from lower income backgrounds to get a private school place
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-JcaPFzp4RodCrosby said:
Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment...Speedy said:
You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.RodCrosby said:Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.
He wouldn't be able to make that comparison today, not with swiss bank accounts, CERN and Herzog&de Meuron.0 -
A couple of years ago the local spend was £5,500 per child in state schools in the LEA. Let us assume its now £6,000.Quincel said:
Almost, now I'm confused about something else. What do they spend all the extra money on? Seriously, I don't know how much state schools get per pupil but I've always assumed it is a fraction of the £10k some private schools charge.Ishmael_X said:
They do not make a profit.Quincel said:
Private schools can be profit-making enterprises which don't have responsibilities to wider society, or they can be charities. But I've long been confused at how they can be both.Tim_B said:
This is complete nonsense. It's the government's job to fund and manage state education, not the responsibility of private schools.TheScreamingEagles said:Looks like Labour are going after private schools.
Britain’s private schools will lose £700m in tax breaks unless they agree to break down the “corrosive divide of privilege” and do more to help children from state schools, Tristram Hunt, shadow education secretary, writes in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/24/private-schools-labour-warning-tax-breaks-tristram-hunt?CMP=twt_gu
The underlying assumption is that private schools are better. If this is the case then the government shoold look at what they are doing right and then try to emulate it in state schools. This would involve abandoning dogma though.
Threatening the private schools because state schools are bad is just idiotic.
I hope that unconfuses you.
If 15% of the 600,000 private pupils leave because of the extra £1,200 a head increase in fees and are switched to the state system the per head cost = £540m pa. The £1,200 a head tax estimates mentioned would bring in £612m. On top of that is the extra capital spending required...... So no effing saving to the state......
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MIKE heres another one.RobD said:
One too many "only"s in there. I guess PB Moderator isn't infallible.bigjohnowls said:"To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name".
Wonder what that means?
How many screen names can you have?
I'll prepare myself for smoting.
Mike was saying at DD how much he misses that onlywayisessex smoting victim!!!0 -
NPXMP
"No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "
I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.
However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.
So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.
In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.
I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.
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SShhBobajob_ said:It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
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Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.
Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.0 -
The triumph of dogma over reality and common senseHYUFD said:Maybe if Tristram Hunt and his privately educated peers Shirley Williams and Richard Crossland had not tried to close down most of the grammar schools more state schools would have been able to compete with the top private schools. Even Finland selects at 16. Labour also ended assisted places, one of the best ways for talented pupils from lower income backgrounds to get a private school place
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You might blame Baron Hunt for it but you can hardly blame Tristram!YBarddCwsc said:NPXMP
"No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "
I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.
However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.
So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.
In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.
I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.0 -
Pathetic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
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No it isn't he doesn't get all teary eyed over nurses every alternate post like you.bigjohnowls said:saddened said:
But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.PBModerator said:
Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
Why yet another new account?Bobajob_ said:Test
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My other one is Nigel4England
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Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.
You can delete my other one!!!!!0 -
The OPEC building?hunchman said:
Royal Palaces and the Prater are a must. So many great museums including the Art History museum in the museum quarter. St Stephens cathedral disappointed me a bit as I found it too dark - Voltivskirche, MinoritenKirche, Franciscan Church etc much better. Town Hall is a hugely impressive building as well as the Parliament. Make sure you visit Demmel, the famous cake shop just off the main shopping street. Musikverein - the main concert hall for the great New Year concerts is a must at night if you ask me. The zoo is also well worth a visit (oldest zoo in the world IIRC). Such a great city - 2nd best in Europe after Venice IMHO if we exclude London from consideration. Try and visit one of the many coffee shops as well. Didn't get time to go to the Jewish quarter (district 2) so would want to take that in next time I visit. Don't bother with the OPEC building, probably the most modern in the centre of Vienna and looks horridly out of place compared to its majestic surroundings.RodCrosby said:
Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment...Speedy said:
You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.RodCrosby said:Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.
That's a small office building with only six floors, you would have thought with all that oil money they could build a bigger building but they don't need one I guess.0 -
Whoosh!!saddened said:
No it isn't he doesn't get all teary eyed over nurses every alternate post like you.bigjohnowls said:saddened said:
But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.PBModerator said:
Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.Bobajob_ said:
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue whyFrancisUrquhart said:
Why yet another new account?Bobajob_ said:Test
To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name.
My other one is Nigel4England
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You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.another_richard said:
Pathetic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.0 -
The government's response has been adequatre so far. Abusers are in jail and investigations are under way. Its only due to the objections of the victims that a full enquiry has not started. Pickles has started an investigation in to Rotherham.saddened said:
Why would I get involved in discussion with somebody who would use the abuse of children as a weapon to attack a poster of good repute on here?another_richard said:
Perhaps you'd like to give your views on the government's response to the Rotherham report ?saddened said:
Barking.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
The scale of the scandal was uncovered by a Rotherham investigation. The IPCC has started an enquiry into the police.
Meantime the SY police have arrested 3 more people and say they have several other investigations underway into the abuse.
When you are a kipper you are not concerned about due process. You are concerned about whipping up hysteria for political gain.
Kippers are not bothered about Farage ignoring racist comments from his own MEPs or indeed his own comments. They want to hear them and want to hear more.0 -
He has a point TSE, it's been a long time since the scandal and the government has done nothing. Not that Labour would have done anything for voting reasons, but the government isn't supported by large numbers of so called ethnic voters from the north, so they don't have any visible excuse for doing nothing for months on this.another_richard said:
Pathetic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.0 -
I though everyone had an alternative account.bigjohnowls said:Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.
You can delete my other one!!!!!
Mine was TheWatcher
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Nigel4England/TimB Exactly, but Labour does not like the lower orders getting on as it reduses their likelihood of being voting fodder0
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Bringing Kippers into it just outlines your own insecurities, though I agree with the rest of your post.Flightpath said:
The government's response has been adequatre so far. Abusers are in jail and investigations are under way. Its only due to the objections of the victims that a full enquiry has not started. Pickles has started an investigation in to Rotherham.saddened said:
Why would I get involved in discussion with somebody who would use the abuse of children as a weapon to attack a poster of good repute on here?another_richard said:
Perhaps you'd like to give your views on the government's response to the Rotherham report ?saddened said:
Barking.another_richard said:
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.another_richard said:
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP - Ed's little helpers.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
The scale of the scandal was uncovered by a Rotherham investigation. The IPCC has started an enquiry into the police.
Meantime the SY police have arrested 3 more people and say they have several other investigations underway into the abuse.
When you are a kipper you are not concerned about due process. You are concerned about whipping up hysteria for political gain.
Kippers are not bothered about Farage ignoring racist comments from his own MEPs or indeed his own comments. They want to hear them and want to hear more.
Don't forget it was a UKIP supporting foster couple that had children taken away from them by the disgusting Joyce Thacker, while all the time she knew what was going on. Political dogma meant more than protecting vulnerable children.0 -
Interesting discussion on the budget / structural deficit. As I said back in 2010, the coalition targets were never achievable on the basis of the demographics alone. On the income side, income tax revenue is well below forecast, mainly as a result of the almost non-existant wage growth for most. On the spending side, it looks like the government simply didn't allow for the demographics in forecasting how much spend is going out on public sector pensions. As for where we are in the economic cycle, well we're nearly 6 years into recovery since early 2009....and with the world economy forecast to turn down in the final quarter of next year, I would suggest that the structural deficit is much much larger than most current estimates. We should be running a budget surplus at this stage of the cycle, fat chance of that at the moment.
Pulpstar - had a quick look at the charts for Brent Crude Oil at the weekend, think the recent declines are about done and some retrace higher is due, but equally I think USD is near its high and we need a retrace higher on GBPUSD. On balance, would marginally favour your bet of over £50 at year end holding up but think its going to be close either way. Was a pleasure to meet you on Friday evening.0 -
How do you define "extremist", does voting for opposition parties make you one?hunchman said:Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.
Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.
It surely does in most third world countries.0
