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  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:

    Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.

    Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.

    How do you define "extremist", does voting for non-government parties make you one?
    It surely does in most third world countries.
    No idea - you ask me!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.

    To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name.
    But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.


    My other one is Nigel4England
    No it isn't he doesn't get all teary eyed over nurses every alternate post like you.
    Whoosh!!
    That sound was something going over your head.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567

    NPXMP

    "No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "

    I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.

    However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.

    So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.

    In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.

    I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.

    I don't know Hunt or anything about his family! But anyway I take the view (I know it's non-standard) that people should do what they can for their families in the current world while trying to make things better so it wouldn't be necessary. Supported Healey paying for his wife to get pain care too, as the waiting list was over a year.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Bobajob_ said:

    Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.

    You can delete my other one!!!!!

    I though everyone had an alternative account.

    Mine was TheWatcher
    Mrs BJ told me that was her.

    She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
  • saddened said:

    UKIP - Ed's little helpers.

    Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
    No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
    The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.

    On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
    I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.

    Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
    Pathetic.

    You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.

    I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.

    Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.

    Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.

    Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
    You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
    I'll be back.

    I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    Anyway have fun for a few days.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,893
    TimB Michelle Flournoy is an early favourite
    http://fortune.com/2014/11/24/michele-flournoy/
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited November 2014
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?

    You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer.
    Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
    Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment...
    The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-JcaPFzp4

    He wouldn't be able to make that comparison today, not with swiss bank accounts, CERN and Herzog&de Meuron.
    Yup, I'll definitely be visiting his grave, if I can find it! (^_-) Watched the film last night, with the GF. She hadn't seen in before, which I found astonishing, but was impressed with my word-for-word recitation of the speech before we put on the DVD...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:

    Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.

    Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.

    How do you define "extremist", does voting for non-government parties make you one?
    It surely does in most third world countries.
    No idea - you ask me!
    Theresa May's mein kampf:
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/24/uk-terrorism-measures-campus-ban-extremists-theresa-may

    "She said: “We are engaged in a struggle that is fought on many fronts and in many forms. It is a struggle that will go on for many years. And the threat we face right now is perhaps greater than it ever has been. We must have the powers we need to defend ourselves.” "

    Lately she is going through many controversial moments that just make people angry about her.
    In danger of sounding sexist: menopause?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    Your numerous active screen names has set off the spam trap, as spammers use various screen names from the same IP address.

    To avoid these problems in the future, use only one screen name and only one screen name.
    But, he only has one. Anybody thinking otherwise is wrong.


    My other one is Nigel4England
    No it isn't he doesn't get all teary eyed over nurses every alternate post like you.
    Whoosh!!
    That sound was something going over your head.
    OK thought you might have missed my feeble attempt at humour.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    This was missed at the weekend:

    http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/11/23/riots-erupt-against-ecb-in-germany/

    Tension in the eurozone is rising everywhere including Germany. Now, I don't think things are ready to burst yet, but turn the world economy down from the start of Q4 next year, and it will give impetus to some very serious social disorder. Italy looks particularly vulnerable on this scale. All this talk of whether or not we'll leave the EU or not by 2017 I think is a somewhat moot point - events of 2016/7 from within the eurozone could well lead to the Euro breaking apart and by extension the whole of the European project by around the time of the referendum anyway. So a lot of political gnashing of teeth to not much purpose in the grand scheme of things.
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    NPXMP

    "No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "

    I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.

    However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.

    So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.

    In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.

    I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.

    I don't know Hunt or anything about his family! But anyway I take the view (I know it's non-standard) that people should do what they can for their families in the current world while trying to make things better so it wouldn't be necessary. Supported Healey paying for his wife to get pain care too, as the waiting list was over a year.
    I share such a view. Hence I was one of only two people in the UK to support Diane Abbott's decision on her son's schooling!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    TimB Michelle Flournoy is an early favourite
    http://fortune.com/2014/11/24/michele-flournoy/

    She was the first name mentioned on both CNN and Fox News. MsNBC being nothing less than a disgrace to journalism I have no idea what they said.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    UKIP - Ed's little helpers.

    Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
    No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
    The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.

    On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
    I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.

    Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
    Pathetic.

    You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.

    I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.

    Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.

    Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.

    Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
    You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
    I'll be back.

    I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    Anyway have fun for a few days.
    I'll try to get by without your input, it will be a struggle I'm sure, but I'll do my best.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
    Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    Bobajob_ said:

    Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.

    You can delete my other one!!!!!

    I though everyone had an alternative account.

    Mine was TheWatcher
    Mrs BJ told me that was her.

    She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
    I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    edited November 2014

    saddened said:

    UKIP - Ed's little helpers.

    Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
    No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
    The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.

    On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
    I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.

    Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
    Pathetic.

    You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.

    I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.

    Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.

    Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.

    Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
    You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
    I'll be back.

    I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    Anyway have fun for a few days.
    I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.

    As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.

    Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.

    Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    TimB Michelle Flournoy is an early favourite
    http://fortune.com/2014/11/24/michele-flournoy/

    Hahahaha, oh no, oh no not Flournoy, everytime I hear her name I remember the last time I heard from a Flournoy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfiI9NibBmE

    She will fix the phones in the pentagon alright.
  • Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
    Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
    You were Plato in those days as I recall and banned from talking to yourself by the PB Moderator (AKA MalcolmG)
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Neil
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Turkey getting ever more weird, ever more muslim, Now Erdogan is claiming muslims discovered Americ before Columbus...

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkeys-erdogan-muslims-discovered-americas-26948296
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.

    You can delete my other one!!!!!

    I though everyone had an alternative account.

    Mine was TheWatcher
    Mrs BJ told me that was her.

    She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
    I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
    Really that explains a lot.

    JackW and MalcolmMG are also the same person.

    It was a give away that he got Indy Ref wrong twice
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Does he not have the Uber app?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    So we are comparing a GE result with one poll ? Right.

    Welcome to PB!
    The average CON share in all Ashcroft polls over the past 3 months is just over 30%. That is down more than 9% in England's 533 seats on 2010. LAB is averaging about 31.3% up 3% on 2010.

    This is not just one poll although, I agree, today the changes are sharp.

    I find it totally amazing how Tories on this site fail to see the weakness of their position. They are betting everything on a belief that negative views of EdM will see them through.



    It reminds me of the Republican expectations for Romney in 2012. They genuinely believed he was going to win. The media helps. It's amazing how buoyant the Tory press is. Presumably they think that's what their readership want. Here's what conservative David 'axis of evil' Frum said after the 2012 election:

    'Republicans have been exploited fleeced and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.'
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited November 2014
    john_zims said:

    @HurstLlama

    The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.

    Its not a good advert for a private education that Hunt cannot work that out. But then he is only a historian.
    The policy is just another way of Labour spending other people's money to look good.

    In reality private schools already give scholarships or bursaries. Quite a lot of pupils at private schools receive some sort of assistance. All of which would make Hunt a double plonker, except my understanding is that public schools do generally have links with their local communities. This is a policy which it seems to me is a rehashed one that is already being implimented and dreamed up to peddle propaganda.
  • Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Does he not have the Uber app?
    I used the uber app last Friday, I heartily recommend it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Further proof, if any were needed, that left wing humour isn't funny
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    No surprise there.
    David Mellor always had bad manners and a temper.
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
  • David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    Tim_B said:

    Turkey getting ever more weird, ever more muslim, Now Erdogan is claiming muslims discovered Americ before Columbus...

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkeys-erdogan-muslims-discovered-americas-26948296

    Not a word on the vikings.
    Someone should tell them that the Vikings discovered america 5 centuries before Columbus, 2 centuries before the silly Erdogan claim.
    Erdogan is behaving strangely these few years, he's built a luxurious presidential palace too:

    http://www.newsweek.com/615-million-price-tag-revealed-turkeys-controversial-presidential-palace-282549

    4 times the size of the Versailles.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
    Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
    Christ on a bike,he finished posting on here months ago and still the PB Hodges claim other posters to be him. Tim...the PB Spartacus.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.

    You can delete my other one!!!!!

    I though everyone had an alternative account.

    Mine was TheWatcher
    Mrs BJ told me that was her.

    She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
    I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
    Really that explains a lot.

    JackW and MalcolmMG are also the same person.

    It was a give away that he got Indy Ref wrong twice
    You are Spartacus then?
  • hunchman said:

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
    Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.

    BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
    Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
    You were Plato in those days as I recall and banned from talking to yourself by the PB Moderator (AKA MalcolmG)
    Very good

    Im off to bed with Tim, Nigel4England, Plato The Watcher and Swiss Bob.

    Say goodnight to ISam Bobajob and TLBS for me.
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    the best comics are Ukip comics
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    john_zims said:

    @HurstLlama

    The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.

    john_zims said:

    @HurstLlama

    The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.

    Its not a good advert for a private education that Hunt cannot work that out. But then he is only a historian.
    The policy is just another way of Labour spending other people's money to look good.

    In reality private schools already give scholarships or bursaries. Quite a lot of pupils at private schools receive some sort of assistance. All of which would make Hunt a double plonker, except my understanding is that public schools do generally have links with their local communities. This is a policy which it seems to me is a rehashed one that is already being implimented and dreamed up to peddle propaganda.
    Last Saturday was the Harvard Yale football game. One of the commentators pointed out that, unlike most colleges, Ivy League schools do not give scholarships. However students (including athletes) must meet academic requirements and can get needs based financial assistance. Over 70% of students at Harvard receive some financial assistance from an endowment fund worth over $30 billion.
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    hunchman said:

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
    Does anyone give a monkey's what Mellor says? Pointless front page by an increasingly pointless paper
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.

    As important as this?(sarcasm)
    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
    ISIS is starting its own currency. May be stronger than the dollar if ObamaCare is fully implemented
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited

    SShh
    There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
    Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
    Christ on a bike,he finished posting on here months ago and still the PB Hodges claim other posters to be him. Tim...the PB Spartacus.
    I think we might hear from Tim the day after Labour wins the GE.
    Goodnight.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
    Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.

    BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
    No probs TSE....and great to see you too.

    And if Ave It is reading this, I still haven't forgotten that he still owes me a drink from over 3 years ago on a FTSE bet in 2011. I'll get it settled one day!

    Good night all.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.

    Surely the story is labelling him as a 'tory big wig' which is surely a flagrant lie. He is a BBC/LBC sports and classical music commentator. 'award winning' indeed.

    Its shocking to know that well educated people can swear but I seem to remember glancing through a recent article by a Times journalist (also News International) who greatly traduced the service she received from a disinterested incompetent London cabbie. So its hardly a 'sneer row'.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
    Confirmation of my point, thanks. Now I'm off to bed which will give you time to come up with another rib tickling response to amuse and delight us all.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    hunchman said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
    If an infinite number of monkeys spent an infinite amount of time typing pbc posts not one of them would get close to one of yours ;)

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.

    As important as this?(sarcasm)
    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
    ISIS is starting its own currency. May be stronger than the dollar if ObamaCare is fully implemented
    If you kill anyone who won't go to the mosque with you then health care costs plummet
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    hunchman said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
    Transparent stuff Hunchman.

    It has been known for years that you are Richard Navabi.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    hunchman said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
    Not sure unique is the best description, how about special? Now actually am away for the night.
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
    Confirmation of my point, thanks. Now I'm off to bed which will give you time to come up with another rib tickling response to amuse and delight us all.
    goodnight!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,893
    TimB Indeed, she seems the early favourite. Speedy Looks like she would fix a few more things too
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.

    Surely the story is labelling him as a 'tory big wig' which is surely a flagrant lie. He is a BBC/LBC sports and classical music commentator. 'award winning' indeed.

    Its shocking to know that well educated people can swear but I seem to remember glancing through a recent article by a Times journalist (also News International) who greatly traduced the service she received from a disinterested incompetent London cabbie. So its hardly a 'sneer row'.
    It's another crap non-story - that's what it is. Who cares?
  • saddened said:



    I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.

    Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.

    Pathetic.

    You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.

    I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.

    Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.

    Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.

    Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
    You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
    I'll be back.

    I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    Anyway have fun for a few days.
    I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.

    As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.

    Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.

    Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
    My you are full on insults aren't you and yet a man with over 17,000 comments wont give his views on the government's response to the leading local issue.

    Now ignore what you think of me ** and let all the other PBers have your views. Its an important issue, it has an effect politically and you are someone who would have worthwhile views on it.

    And with that I do withdraw from PB for a while.

    ** I refute your allegation that I accused you of condoning child rape but a flame war between us serves nothing and in any case I would love to publicly say that you do not support this government's inaction on the issue.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,893
    Flightpath Indeed, my old school now has a partnership with Medway Academy and has provided teachers on sabbatical and pupils on gap years as well as benefiting from learning about teaching styles at the Academy
  • Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    saddened said:

    hunchman said:

    saddened said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    saddened said:

    Neil said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Bobajob_ said:

    Test

    Why yet another new account?
    I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
    The other *one*?

    Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
    I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
    Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
    Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
    Not sure unique is the best description, how about special? Now actually am away for the night.
    The other Saddened has already gone to bed
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.

    That's right, another YouGov poll will be released!
  • saddened said:



    I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.

    Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.

    Pathetic.

    You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.

    I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.

    Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.

    Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.

    Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
    You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
    I'll be back.

    I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.

    Anyway have fun for a few days.
    I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.

    As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.

    Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.

    Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
    My you are full on insults aren't you and yet a man with over 17,000 comments wont give his views on the government's response to the leading local issue.

    Now ignore what you think of me ** and let all the other PBers have your views. Its an important issue, it has an effect politically and you are someone who would have worthwhile views on it.

    And with that I do withdraw from PB for a while.

    ** I refute your allegation that I accused you of condoning child rape but a flame war between us serves nothing and in any case I would love to publicly say that you do not support this government's inaction on the issue.
    Hang around for 10 mins, and I'll post a link to your vile smear against me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    edited November 2014
    Another_Richard, here you go, here's your vile smear against me.

    Well the Establishment Tory TSE has said that he wont vote UKIP as second choice.

    Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.

    So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.

    And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying.


    On this thread here.

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/10/27/if-thursdays-s-yorkshire-pcc-by-election-is-close-then-con-voters-2nd-preferences-could-push-the-purples-across-the-line/

    A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them
  • **Giggling like a child**

    smithy @Smudger1948 · 27m 27 minutes ago
    #CameronMustgo!

    https://twitter.com/Smudger1948/status/537029635671089153





  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    Establishment Tory TSE

    Huh, everyone knows you are a Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory.
  • RobD said:

    Establishment Tory TSE

    Huh, everyone knows you are a Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory.
    Lots of people have the wrong impression of me.

    One of PB's more stupid posters thought I was an Islamophobe
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    hunchman said:

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
    Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.

    BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
    Perhaps he's rude, but Mellor is one of my favourite Tories. Speaks his mind and has his own ideas like Currie, Heseltine and Portillo.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Greens are steaming ahead with selections, in contrast to the LDs:

    North West selections:

    Garston & Halewood: William Ward
    Knowsley: Vikki Gregorich
    Liverpool Walton: Jonathan Clatworthy
    Liverpool Wavertree: Peter Cranie
    Macclesfield: Joan Plimmer
    Manchester Central: Kieran Turner-Dave
    Manchester Gorton: Laura Bannister
    Manchester Withington: Lucy Bannister
    Oldham East & Saddleworth: Miranda Meadowcroft
    Workington: Jill Perry

    http://northwest.greenparty.org.uk/elections-2015.html

    Northampton North: Tony Clarke

    https://twitter.com/tonyclarkeuk

    Clarke was Labour MP for Northampton South from 1997 to 2005.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    hunchman said:

    Well David Mellor has outdone Andrew Mitchell and Emily Thornberry

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg

    Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
    Was he wearing his Chelsea strip at the time though? Maybe The Sun is abandoning the Tories and embracing Ukip, just as Fox News embraced The Tea Party.
  • Another_Richard, here you go, here's your vile smear against me.

    Well the Establishment Tory TSE has said that he wont vote UKIP as second choice.

    Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.

    So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.

    And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying.


    On this thread here.

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/10/27/if-thursdays-s-yorkshire-pcc-by-election-is-close-then-con-voters-2nd-preferences-could-push-the-purples-across-the-line/

    A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them

    Hmmm...

    That is a bit strong.

    I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.

    Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.

    Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    john_zims said:

    @Nick_Palmer

    ' if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.'

    So what's the additional cost of say 50% of privately educated students switching to state education ?

    Usual humbug from Labour. 5 private educated members of the shadow cabinet, and 7 went to Grammar schools (ie almost half the cabinet was either private or grammar school educated) so now they have got where they want to go, they dont want anyone else following.

  • Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago
    Con to Lab % swings at Westminster by-elections compared with GE 2010 for each seat. Average = 7.65%

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537044601065197569
  • Another_Richard, here you go, here's your vile smear against me.

    Well the Establishment Tory TSE has said that he wont vote UKIP as second choice.

    Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.

    So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.

    And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying.


    On this thread here.

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/10/27/if-thursdays-s-yorkshire-pcc-by-election-is-close-then-con-voters-2nd-preferences-could-push-the-purples-across-the-line/

    A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them

    Hmmm...

    That is a bit strong.

    I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.

    Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.

    Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
    I accept your apology, it is an emotive issue, I understand your passion.

    like me, you want those guilty to be prosecuted and there to be no further victims.

    Next time you're online I'll give you my thoughts and the conversation I've had with a few politicos and police I've had on this topic. (I'm off to bed now)

    Here's one of the things the government has been in the background urging councils to do in light of this scandal.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/six-suspected-child-sex-groomers-8137724

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/six-men-anti-grooming-orders-high-court-birmingham
  • Another_Richard, here you go, here's your vile smear against me.

    Well the Establishment Tory TSE has said that he wont vote UKIP as second choice.

    Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.

    So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.

    And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying.


    On this thread here.

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/10/27/if-thursdays-s-yorkshire-pcc-by-election-is-close-then-con-voters-2nd-preferences-could-push-the-purples-across-the-line/

    A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them

    Hmmm...

    That is a bit strong.

    I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.

    Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.

    Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
    I accept your apology, it is an emotive issue, I understand your passion.

    like me, you want those guilty to be prosecuted and there to be no further victims.

    Next time you're online I'll give you my thoughts and the conversation I've had with a few politicos and police I've had on this topic. (I'm off to bed now)

    Here's one of the things the government has been in the background urging councils to do in light of this scandal.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/six-suspected-child-sex-groomers-8137724

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/six-men-anti-grooming-orders-high-court-birmingham
    I'm glad I stayed up a bit longer to get your response.

    You should have called me out on the comment when you next saw me online - better to sort things one way or another than to let them fester.

    I once had to get an apology from Charles and think the better for him that he gave it.

    Sometimes things can get overheated on PB but that's a worthwhile price to pay for vigourous discussion. If we behaved as if we were at a vicarage tea party then the site would lose a lot of its value.

    G'Night.
  • Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago
    #UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537052573514366978
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago
    #UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537052573514366978

    LD winning here?
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    "What strikes me is that the inclusion of Wales and mostly Scotland in the GB figures mean that the UKIP surge has been understated in the part of the UK where 95% of the LAB-CON marginals are."

    This seems to make no sense.

    % UKIP vote in Wales Euro 2014 == 27.55 per cent
    % UKIP vote in GB Euro 2014 == 27.49 per cent

    There is zero evidence that Wales has been immune from UKIP surge.

    I don't much like UKIP, but that was an astonishing Welsh result.

    My guess is that, in the next Euros, UKIP will become the first party to beat Labour in a national election in Wales for over a century.

    I presume you mean "second"

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    JohnLoony said:

    "What strikes me is that the inclusion of Wales and mostly Scotland in the GB figures mean that the UKIP surge has been understated in the part of the UK where 95% of the LAB-CON marginals are."

    This seems to make no sense.

    % UKIP vote in Wales Euro 2014 == 27.55 per cent
    % UKIP vote in GB Euro 2014 == 27.49 per cent

    There is zero evidence that Wales has been immune from UKIP surge.

    I don't much like UKIP, but that was an astonishing Welsh result.

    My guess is that, in the next Euros, UKIP will become the first party to beat Labour in a national election in Wales for over a century.

    I presume you mean "second"

    That's right, the Tories won the 2009 Euro election in Wales.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    No indictment in Ferguson shooting case:

    http://t.co/ABobCGXByn
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    test
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