Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.
Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.
How do you define "extremist", does voting for non-government parties make you one? It surely does in most third world countries.
"No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "
I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.
However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.
So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.
In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.
I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.
I don't know Hunt or anything about his family! But anyway I take the view (I know it's non-standard) that people should do what they can for their families in the current world while trying to make things better so it wouldn't be necessary. Supported Healey paying for his wife to get pain care too, as the waiting list was over a year.
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
Pathetic.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
I'll be back.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Off-topic: I'm heading for a weekend in Vienna on 5 December, staying in the Favoriten district. Any PBers got tips for the sights, restaurants, WWI/WWII stuff, etc?
You have chosen the wrong time to visit Vienna, the best time is in the early summer. Still try to visit the former royal palaces, or the Prater amusement park known from the film The Third Man or the opera house.
Probably, but it's really a diversion from my visit to Slovakia for my final dental treatment... The Third Man stuff is a must, of course, and in winter it'll seem more atmospheric, I suppose.
He wouldn't be able to make that comparison today, not with swiss bank accounts, CERN and Herzog&de Meuron.
Yup, I'll definitely be visiting his grave, if I can find it! (^_-) Watched the film last night, with the GF. She hadn't seen in before, which I found astonishing, but was impressed with my word-for-word recitation of the speech before we put on the DVD...
Wobbly Monday for the Blues. Lets see if this is a consistent trend or on the worst side of the MoE for them. I find it hard to see the Tories polling less than the 31% they got in 1997 but I rule nothing out in this ultra fluid political climate that we find ourselves in. Lets see how the coalition gets on navigating the winter with the NHS and long range forecasts for some significant icy snowy blasts coming along. Plenty could change in the next 5 and a half months.
Some terrible legislation proposed by Theresa May - how on earth are they going to define what constitutes an extremist when checking universities and the like for what they have done to reduce the threat posed by extremists? Just don't see how those proposals are in the least bit workable at all.
How do you define "extremist", does voting for non-government parties make you one? It surely does in most third world countries.
"She said: “We are engaged in a struggle that is fought on many fronts and in many forms. It is a struggle that will go on for many years. And the threat we face right now is perhaps greater than it ever has been. We must have the powers we need to defend ourselves.” "
Lately she is going through many controversial moments that just make people angry about her. In danger of sounding sexist: menopause?
Tension in the eurozone is rising everywhere including Germany. Now, I don't think things are ready to burst yet, but turn the world economy down from the start of Q4 next year, and it will give impetus to some very serious social disorder. Italy looks particularly vulnerable on this scale. All this talk of whether or not we'll leave the EU or not by 2017 I think is a somewhat moot point - events of 2016/7 from within the eurozone could well lead to the Euro breaking apart and by extension the whole of the European project by around the time of the referendum anyway. So a lot of political gnashing of teeth to not much purpose in the grand scheme of things.
"No, having said that it's not Cameron's fault that he went to Eton, I also think it's not Hunt's fault where he went. "
I would normally accept this, that school is mainly a matter of parental choice. And so I would not normally damn a Labour MP for attending an independent school as a child.
However, Tristram's father (as I am sure you know) was a Labour councillor and is the Labour peer, Baron Hunt.
So, there doesn't seem to be any excuse.
In fact, it looks on a par with Professor Balls, who campaigned against the 11 plus, and then send his son to independent school.
I would have thought that generations of Labour families attending independent schools is pretty indefensible. It is exactly this that makes the Labour party look out of touch to its voters.
I don't know Hunt or anything about his family! But anyway I take the view (I know it's non-standard) that people should do what they can for their families in the current world while trying to make things better so it wouldn't be necessary. Supported Healey paying for his wife to get pain care too, as the waiting list was over a year.
I share such a view. Hence I was one of only two people in the UK to support Diane Abbott's decision on her son's schooling!
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
Pathetic.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
I'll be back.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
Anyway have fun for a few days.
I'll try to get by without your input, it will be a struggle I'm sure, but I'll do my best.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.
You can delete my other one!!!!!
I though everyone had an alternative account.
Mine was TheWatcher
Mrs BJ told me that was her.
She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
Will you be calling on Conservative supporters in Heywood & Middleton and Rotherham to vote UKIP next year ?
No, whilst UKIPers like you accuse me of condoning child abuse, it ain't gonna happen.
The Screaming Eagles = Ed's little helper.
On that issue perhaps you could give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
After all you don't want anyone thinking you might condone child abuse do you.
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
Pathetic.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
I'll be back.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
Anyway have fun for a few days.
I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.
As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.
Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.
Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
You were Plato in those days as I recall and banned from talking to yourself by the PB Moderator (AKA MalcolmG)
Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.
You can delete my other one!!!!!
I though everyone had an alternative account.
Mine was TheWatcher
Mrs BJ told me that was her.
She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
Really that explains a lot.
JackW and MalcolmMG are also the same person.
It was a give away that he got Indy Ref wrong twice
So we are comparing a GE result with one poll ? Right.
Welcome to PB!
The average CON share in all Ashcroft polls over the past 3 months is just over 30%. That is down more than 9% in England's 533 seats on 2010. LAB is averaging about 31.3% up 3% on 2010.
This is not just one poll although, I agree, today the changes are sharp.
I find it totally amazing how Tories on this site fail to see the weakness of their position. They are betting everything on a belief that negative views of EdM will see them through.
It reminds me of the Republican expectations for Romney in 2012. They genuinely believed he was going to win. The media helps. It's amazing how buoyant the Tory press is. Presumably they think that's what their readership want. Here's what conservative David 'axis of evil' Frum said after the 2012 election:
'Republicans have been exploited fleeced and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.'
The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.
Its not a good advert for a private education that Hunt cannot work that out. But then he is only a historian. The policy is just another way of Labour spending other people's money to look good.
In reality private schools already give scholarships or bursaries. Quite a lot of pupils at private schools receive some sort of assistance. All of which would make Hunt a double plonker, except my understanding is that public schools do generally have links with their local communities. This is a policy which it seems to me is a rehashed one that is already being implimented and dreamed up to peddle propaganda.
Not a word on the vikings. Someone should tell them that the Vikings discovered america 5 centuries before Columbus, 2 centuries before the silly Erdogan claim. Erdogan is behaving strangely these few years, he's built a luxurious presidential palace too:
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
Christ on a bike,he finished posting on here months ago and still the PB Hodges claim other posters to be him. Tim...the PB Spartacus.
Mike I understand multiple accounts are not allowed.
You can delete my other one!!!!!
I though everyone had an alternative account.
Mine was TheWatcher
Mrs BJ told me that was her.
She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
I was once offered out down Canning Town by 'iSam', who is also me. SeanT, who is Tim, once accused Socrates of being obsessed by immigration, but he is actually NickP, who is really Mike Smithson (son of Robert).
Really that explains a lot.
JackW and MalcolmMG are also the same person.
It was a give away that he got Indy Ref wrong twice
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
You were Plato in those days as I recall and banned from talking to yourself by the PB Moderator (AKA MalcolmG)
Very good
Im off to bed with Tim, Nigel4England, Plato The Watcher and Swiss Bob.
The average budget per state pupil in England is £4,550 ,so the tax break saves the state over £ 3,000.
Its not a good advert for a private education that Hunt cannot work that out. But then he is only a historian. The policy is just another way of Labour spending other people's money to look good.
In reality private schools already give scholarships or bursaries. Quite a lot of pupils at private schools receive some sort of assistance. All of which would make Hunt a double plonker, except my understanding is that public schools do generally have links with their local communities. This is a policy which it seems to me is a rehashed one that is already being implimented and dreamed up to peddle propaganda.
Last Saturday was the Harvard Yale football game. One of the commentators pointed out that, unlike most colleges, Ivy League schools do not give scholarships. However students (including athletes) must meet academic requirements and can get needs based financial assistance. Over 70% of students at Harvard receive some financial assistance from an endowment fund worth over $30 billion.
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
Does anyone give a monkey's what Mellor says? Pointless front page by an increasingly pointless paper
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.
As important as this?(sarcasm) Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago ISIS is starting its own currency. May be stronger than the dollar if ObamaCare is fully implemented
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
It should be said that Labour has not seen an uptick of note today - the widening of the gap appears to be down to Tory poor performance. I expect therefore the lead to revert to 1-2 points. What can be said is that the Emily Klass War has left the polling unaffected. Worth remembering when we next get over excited
SShh
There have been endless PB hoo-haas over the years, mostly they involve forecasts of impending disaster for Labour and mostly they make no difference.
Yes I remember pointing that out when I was Tim!
Christ on a bike,he finished posting on here months ago and still the PB Hodges claim other posters to be him. Tim...the PB Spartacus.
I think we might hear from Tim the day after Labour wins the GE. Goodnight.
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.
BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
No probs TSE....and great to see you too.
And if Ave It is reading this, I still haven't forgotten that he still owes me a drink from over 3 years ago on a FTSE bet in 2011. I'll get it settled one day!
David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.
Surely the story is labelling him as a 'tory big wig' which is surely a flagrant lie. He is a BBC/LBC sports and classical music commentator. 'award winning' indeed.
Its shocking to know that well educated people can swear but I seem to remember glancing through a recent article by a Times journalist (also News International) who greatly traduced the service she received from a disinterested incompetent London cabbie. So its hardly a 'sneer row'.
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
Confirmation of my point, thanks. Now I'm off to bed which will give you time to come up with another rib tickling response to amuse and delight us all.
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
If an infinite number of monkeys spent an infinite amount of time typing pbc posts not one of them would get close to one of yours
David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.
As important as this?(sarcasm) Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago ISIS is starting its own currency. May be stronger than the dollar if ObamaCare is fully implemented
If you kill anyone who won't go to the mosque with you then health care costs plummet
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
Transparent stuff Hunchman.
It has been known for years that you are Richard Navabi.
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
Not sure unique is the best description, how about special? Now actually am away for the night.
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
It is your rapier wit that unmasks you as Martin Day
Confirmation of my point, thanks. Now I'm off to bed which will give you time to come up with another rib tickling response to amuse and delight us all.
David Mellor going to get very lucky, as far more important things going on in the world tonight and tomorrow.
Surely the story is labelling him as a 'tory big wig' which is surely a flagrant lie. He is a BBC/LBC sports and classical music commentator. 'award winning' indeed.
Its shocking to know that well educated people can swear but I seem to remember glancing through a recent article by a Times journalist (also News International) who greatly traduced the service she received from a disinterested incompetent London cabbie. So its hardly a 'sneer row'.
It's another crap non-story - that's what it is. Who cares?
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
Pathetic.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
I'll be back.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
Anyway have fun for a few days.
I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.
As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.
Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.
Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
My you are full on insults aren't you and yet a man with over 17,000 comments wont give his views on the government's response to the leading local issue.
Now ignore what you think of me ** and let all the other PBers have your views. Its an important issue, it has an effect politically and you are someone who would have worthwhile views on it.
And with that I do withdraw from PB for a while.
** I refute your allegation that I accused you of condoning child rape but a flame war between us serves nothing and in any case I would love to publicly say that you do not support this government's inaction on the issue.
Flightpath Indeed, my old school now has a partnership with Medway Academy and has provided teachers on sabbatical and pupils on gap years as well as benefiting from learning about teaching styles at the Academy
I cannot post under the other one - tried numerous times since earlier. Not a clue why
The other *one*?
Yes the other "one", he wouldn't have multiple accounts and deny it, would he?
I outed you as Fitalass long ago sonny!
Posters with multiple accounts always have a specific "tell" in their style of posting. Yours is that you are incredibly tedious, it's a dead give away.
Who is my double, or am I unique?!!
Not sure unique is the best description, how about special? Now actually am away for the night.
I'm not going to engage you on this topic, as you're clearly messed up in the head to use child abuse to score partisan point scoring for us to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
Like the vile child rapists/abusers, you don't see these are people and victims, but things to be used and abused to get your kicks.
Pathetic.
You sound exactly like tim when he kept accusing Socrates of the same thing.
I know people, both relatives and work colleagues, who live in the communities the victims come from so I could take offence but wont because I want a proper disccussion.
Now give your views on the government's response to the Jay report.
To make it easier for you to do so I will stay away from PB for a few days.
Tomorrow is the thirteenth week since the report so a fitting time for you to say what you think of the government's response.
Please confirm that you will do so during my absence.
You can stay away as long as you like, it makes no odds to me. Bye, bye.
I'll be back.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
Anyway have fun for a few days.
I've given my thoughts and views on this in the past.
As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.
Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.
Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
My you are full on insults aren't you and yet a man with over 17,000 comments wont give his views on the government's response to the leading local issue.
Now ignore what you think of me ** and let all the other PBers have your views. Its an important issue, it has an effect politically and you are someone who would have worthwhile views on it.
And with that I do withdraw from PB for a while.
** I refute your allegation that I accused you of condoning child rape but a flame war between us serves nothing and in any case I would love to publicly say that you do not support this government's inaction on the issue.
Hang around for 10 mins, and I'll post a link to your vile smear against me.
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
Well the plebgate trial first stage will conclude this week, could have been better timed by Mellor.
BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
Perhaps he's rude, but Mellor is one of my favourite Tories. Speaks his mind and has his own ideas like Currie, Heseltine and Portillo.
The Greens are steaming ahead with selections, in contrast to the LDs:
North West selections:
Garston & Halewood: William Ward Knowsley: Vikki Gregorich Liverpool Walton: Jonathan Clatworthy Liverpool Wavertree: Peter Cranie Macclesfield: Joan Plimmer Manchester Central: Kieran Turner-Dave Manchester Gorton: Laura Bannister Manchester Withington: Lucy Bannister Oldham East & Saddleworth: Miranda Meadowcroft Workington: Jill Perry
Labour can't say the Sun isn't providing a semblance of balance! Will be interesting to see how far this story runs....probably not that far as an ex-MP for 17 years and counting.
Was he wearing his Chelsea strip at the time though? Maybe The Sun is abandoning the Tories and embracing Ukip, just as Fox News embraced The Tea Party.
' if Hunt's experience has helped show him that making the narrowly-focused private schools into charities is an eccentricity that we can't afford, that's fine.'
So what's the additional cost of say 50% of privately educated students switching to state education ?
Usual humbug from Labour. 5 private educated members of the shadow cabinet, and 7 went to Grammar schools (ie almost half the cabinet was either private or grammar school educated) so now they have got where they want to go, they dont want anyone else following.
A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them
Hmmm...
That is a bit strong.
I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.
Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.
Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
I accept your apology, it is an emotive issue, I understand your passion.
like me, you want those guilty to be prosecuted and there to be no further victims.
Next time you're online I'll give you my thoughts and the conversation I've had with a few politicos and police I've had on this topic. (I'm off to bed now)
Here's one of the things the government has been in the background urging councils to do in light of this scandal.
A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them
Hmmm...
That is a bit strong.
I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.
Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.
Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
I accept your apology, it is an emotive issue, I understand your passion.
like me, you want those guilty to be prosecuted and there to be no further victims.
Next time you're online I'll give you my thoughts and the conversation I've had with a few politicos and police I've had on this topic. (I'm off to bed now)
Here's one of the things the government has been in the background urging councils to do in light of this scandal.
I'm glad I stayed up a bit longer to get your response.
You should have called me out on the comment when you next saw me online - better to sort things one way or another than to let them fester.
I once had to get an apology from Charles and think the better for him that he gave it.
Sometimes things can get overheated on PB but that's a worthwhile price to pay for vigourous discussion. If we behaved as if we were at a vicarage tea party then the site would lose a lot of its value.
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago #UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 1m1 minute ago #UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.
"What strikes me is that the inclusion of Wales and mostly Scotland in the GB figures mean that the UKIP surge has been understated in the part of the UK where 95% of the LAB-CON marginals are."
This seems to make no sense.
% UKIP vote in Wales Euro 2014 == 27.55 per cent % UKIP vote in GB Euro 2014 == 27.49 per cent
There is zero evidence that Wales has been immune from UKIP surge.
I don't much like UKIP, but that was an astonishing Welsh result.
My guess is that, in the next Euros, UKIP will become the first party to beat Labour in a national election in Wales for over a century.
"What strikes me is that the inclusion of Wales and mostly Scotland in the GB figures mean that the UKIP surge has been understated in the part of the UK where 95% of the LAB-CON marginals are."
This seems to make no sense.
% UKIP vote in Wales Euro 2014 == 27.55 per cent % UKIP vote in GB Euro 2014 == 27.49 per cent
There is zero evidence that Wales has been immune from UKIP surge.
I don't much like UKIP, but that was an astonishing Welsh result.
My guess is that, in the next Euros, UKIP will become the first party to beat Labour in a national election in Wales for over a century.
I presume you mean "second"
That's right, the Tories won the 2009 Euro election in Wales.
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She says she was also Swiss Bob and only threatened to hit me yesterday because she thought I liked it.
I'm just giving TSE the opportunity to give his views on the government's response to the Jay report.
Anyway have fun for a few days.
http://fortune.com/2014/11/24/michele-flournoy/
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/24/uk-terrorism-measures-campus-ban-extremists-theresa-may
"She said: “We are engaged in a struggle that is fought on many fronts and in many forms. It is a struggle that will go on for many years. And the threat we face right now is perhaps greater than it ever has been. We must have the powers we need to defend ourselves.” "
Lately she is going through many controversial moments that just make people angry about her.
In danger of sounding sexist: menopause?
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/11/23/riots-erupt-against-ecb-in-germany/
Tension in the eurozone is rising everywhere including Germany. Now, I don't think things are ready to burst yet, but turn the world economy down from the start of Q4 next year, and it will give impetus to some very serious social disorder. Italy looks particularly vulnerable on this scale. All this talk of whether or not we'll leave the EU or not by 2017 I think is a somewhat moot point - events of 2016/7 from within the eurozone could well lead to the Euro breaking apart and by extension the whole of the European project by around the time of the referendum anyway. So a lot of political gnashing of teeth to not much purpose in the grand scheme of things.
As you appear unable to comprehend English, let me explain it again for you.
Until you retract your Britain Firstesque smear against me that I condone child rape, I will not engage you on this topic.
Because, anyone who thinks I condone child rape, I can only conclude the most intelligent thing to ever come out of them, left a brown stain on the toilet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfiI9NibBmE
She will fix the phones in the pentagon alright.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PeL9cCcAAoJ4-.jpg
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkeys-erdogan-muslims-discovered-americas-26948296
JackW and MalcolmMG are also the same person.
It was a give away that he got Indy Ref wrong twice
'Republicans have been exploited fleeced and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.'
The policy is just another way of Labour spending other people's money to look good.
In reality private schools already give scholarships or bursaries. Quite a lot of pupils at private schools receive some sort of assistance. All of which would make Hunt a double plonker, except my understanding is that public schools do generally have links with their local communities. This is a policy which it seems to me is a rehashed one that is already being implimented and dreamed up to peddle propaganda.
David Mellor always had bad manners and a temper.
Someone should tell them that the Vikings discovered america 5 centuries before Columbus, 2 centuries before the silly Erdogan claim.
Erdogan is behaving strangely these few years, he's built a luxurious presidential palace too:
http://www.newsweek.com/615-million-price-tag-revealed-turkeys-controversial-presidential-palace-282549
4 times the size of the Versailles.
BTW - Great to see you, and thanks for the drink.
Im off to bed with Tim, Nigel4England, Plato The Watcher and Swiss Bob.
Say goodnight to ISam Bobajob and TLBS for me.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
ISIS is starting its own currency. May be stronger than the dollar if ObamaCare is fully implemented
Goodnight.
And if Ave It is reading this, I still haven't forgotten that he still owes me a drink from over 3 years ago on a FTSE bet in 2011. I'll get it settled one day!
Good night all.
Its shocking to know that well educated people can swear but I seem to remember glancing through a recent article by a Times journalist (also News International) who greatly traduced the service she received from a disinterested incompetent London cabbie. So its hardly a 'sneer row'.
It has been known for years that you are Richard Navabi.
Now ignore what you think of me ** and let all the other PBers have your views. Its an important issue, it has an effect politically and you are someone who would have worthwhile views on it.
And with that I do withdraw from PB for a while.
** I refute your allegation that I accused you of condoning child rape but a flame war between us serves nothing and in any case I would love to publicly say that you do not support this government's inaction on the issue.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kTlIUxSGQy4omeetoPMkMvlBnD-5Z0o_I2hb82n5ho4/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1#gid=1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/48.stm
Well the Establishment Tory TSE has said that he wont vote UKIP as second choice.
Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.
So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.
And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying.
On this thread here.
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/10/27/if-thursdays-s-yorkshire-pcc-by-election-is-close-then-con-voters-2nd-preferences-could-push-the-purples-across-the-line/
A few other posters pulled you up on this vile smear on that thread, but you chose to ignore them
smithy @Smudger1948 · 27m 27 minutes ago
#CameronMustgo!
https://twitter.com/Smudger1948/status/537029635671089153
One of PB's more stupid posters thought I was an Islamophobe
North West selections:
Garston & Halewood: William Ward
Knowsley: Vikki Gregorich
Liverpool Walton: Jonathan Clatworthy
Liverpool Wavertree: Peter Cranie
Macclesfield: Joan Plimmer
Manchester Central: Kieran Turner-Dave
Manchester Gorton: Laura Bannister
Manchester Withington: Lucy Bannister
Oldham East & Saddleworth: Miranda Meadowcroft
Workington: Jill Perry
http://northwest.greenparty.org.uk/elections-2015.html
Northampton North: Tony Clarke
https://twitter.com/tonyclarkeuk
Clarke was Labour MP for Northampton South from 1997 to 2005.
That is a bit strong.
I don't withdraw what I said about the party establishments but I do withdraw, with apologies, including you in the allegation.
Was it an early morning comment ? I tend to be more intemperate then and my lack of further response would have been because I was at work.
Again, my apologies, this is an issue I feel deeply about and I allowed my keyboard to get the better (or rather worse) of me.
Fareham: Miles Grindley
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/green-party-selects-teenager-as-candidate-1-6434791#.VHOafv7vSWY.twitter
Nottingham East: Antonia Zenkevitch
https://twitter.com/AZenkevitch
Portsmouth South: Ian McCullogh
https://twitter.com/green_mac
Ipswich: Barry Broom
Central Suffolk: Rhodri Griffiths
West Suffolk: Niall Pettitt
http://eastern.greenparty.org.uk/news.html/2014/11/13/green-party-announces-a-full-slate-of-seven-parliamentary-candidates-for-suffolk/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
http://midsuffolk.greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/11/23/suffolk’s-seven-green-party-parliamentary-candidates-election-campaign-launched/
Con to Lab % swings at Westminster by-elections compared with GE 2010 for each seat. Average = 7.65%
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537044601065197569
like me, you want those guilty to be prosecuted and there to be no further victims.
Next time you're online I'll give you my thoughts and the conversation I've had with a few politicos and police I've had on this topic. (I'm off to bed now)
Here's one of the things the government has been in the background urging councils to do in light of this scandal.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/six-suspected-child-sex-groomers-8137724
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/six-men-anti-grooming-orders-high-court-birmingham
You should have called me out on the comment when you next saw me online - better to sort things one way or another than to let them fester.
I once had to get an apology from Charles and think the better for him that he gave it.
Sometimes things can get overheated on PB but that's a worthwhile price to pay for vigourous discussion. If we behaved as if we were at a vicarage tea party then the site would lose a lot of its value.
G'Night.
#UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537052573514366978
http://t.co/ABobCGXByn