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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,038

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    CURRY
    What would you like?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286

    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,327

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    CURRY
    What would you like?
    We're all kormatose already.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,977
    Pro_Rata said:

    I have an eye on my inbox.

    I give it 20 minutes from any announcement until a Labour fundraiser hits it.

    To update:

    18:10 the mail landed.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101

    geoffw said:

    I wonder if there may be Black Swans ahead (there always are - ed.) chatting to a friend this weekend who is involved in corporate security, I asked if there was anywhere I shouldn't be planning a holiday apart from Taiwan ("absolutely not") - to my surprises, "Japan" was mentioned - which I suppose makes sense....

    Why is that? (Genuinely asking for a friend)

    If it goes tits up in Taiwan a lot of US military is there, so if the US is involved, Japan is involved, and Japan can build nukes in two seconds flat...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us-japanh-plan-biggest-upgrade-security-pact-more-than-60-years-ft-reports-2024-03-24/
    South Korea is curiously good at flying plate explosive design.
    I expect done out of idle curiosity......
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,038
    kle4 said:

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    I think his biggest risk will be appearing inflexible and robotic, sticking too intensely to an agreed line to avoid a risk. Brexit and Corbyn attacks I think he can slide past.
    Yes. He's sort of similar to TM in that sense, but is less stubborn and terrified of people.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    Safe to say that the Torie’s support on this website is… limited. Why they ever threw Boris away in the hope they could secure parts of this demographic is beyond me.

    They are going to spend a month learning why they should have kept him.

    They didn't. He was forced out for repeatedly lying to Parliament, serial criminal behaviour during lockdown and condoning rampaging corruption.

    Small beer compared to Trump, but he would have been far more of a liability than an asset had he stayed.
    I can still believe they'd be doing better in the polls now if he had been kept (depending on how the standards stuff had been handled), not least because whilst they'd still have internal divisions, they wouldn't have a sizable rebellious flank pretty much hoping they lose to punish them.

    But too often the hypothetical scenario ignores why he was ousted in the first place. Why the leader at a landslide victory was then deemed such a liability just 3 years later when he should have been safe.

    Like Boris or not, the very fact he was successfully ousted speaks against the idea that he would have been strong and dynamic enough to be doing vastly better now.
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,650
    kle4 said:

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    I think his biggest risk will be appearing inflexible and robotic, sticking too intensely to an agreed line to avoid a risk. Brexit and Corbyn attacks I think he can slide past.
    Today was a real indication of his inflexibility problem.

    Making a lame joke acknowledging it was pissing it down is pretty basic stuff. That he pretended it wasn't happening was dreadful, but that's just him.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,668
    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    Doesn’t the ruling only effect the removal of people from Northern Ireland?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,187

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    CURRY
    What would you like?
    Thank you.

    Lamb dopiaza, obviously.

    Need you ask?



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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118
    edited May 22
    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    Boat Crossings currently running at record levels for time of year, and on the graph they always shoot up from July onwards. They needed flights in the air same time as surge to limit the political fallout.

    Other things than courts could be an issue - like knowing where the ones best suited to get through court appeals actually are? It looked like RAF flights, could a problem have emerged with that? Issues at the Rwanda end, who have seemed to be going lukewarm on it for sometime? Rwanda needed to consider Starmer seeking end to the arrangement from Day 1, based on that Rwanda still keen on proceeding?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,107
    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    Whenever I think people on here can be too harsh on the Tories I reflect on some relatives, who among other things were passionately convinced the Tories would not even hold the next election if they looked likely to lose it, but would just stay in office without one.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,907
    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286
    ydoethur said:

    Does this mean any Lab seat that has not finished selection will now have NEC/leader approved candidates parachuted in?

    What will happen now in Islington North?

    Paul Mason presumably.
    David Miliband would be top trolling by Starmer.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,327
    edited May 22
    kle4 said:

    Whenever I think people on here can be too harsh on the Tories I reflect on some relatives, who among other things were passionately convinced the Tories would not even hold the next election if they looked likely to lose it, but would just stay in office without one.

    Gordon Brown gave that as one of his reasons for hanging on in 2010.

    Once they get in, we'll never get them out, no matter how badly they lose an election, he said.

    The irony was apparently lost on him.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286
    Ed Balls to be parachuted in somewhere?

    Or has he really had enough of that life?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,487
    Scott_xP said:

    Curious who they send out for the media round tomorrow

    @TheNewsAgents

    “I feel sorry for Rishi Sunak that his team allowed this to build all day.”

    “Plan an election? They couldn’t even plan an 𝘶𝘮𝘣𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘢.” ☔️

    The PM cut a sorry, sodden sight as he announced a July election.

    Steve McLaren’s brolly cast a long shadow.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286

    George Mann
    @sgfmann
    ·
    11m
    The Northern Echo: For how long will he rain over us? #TomorrowsPapersToday
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    How would that even help?

    "We're so afraid of an election we will oust the PM to stop it happening! Please forget that in 6-8 months when we have to have an election anyway"

    They couldn't claim it was just that they don't think he's a good PM, since that was true yesterday and they weren't ousting him then.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,668
    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    I am going to judicially review the King's decision not to refuse a dissolution under the Lascelles principles
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118

    I hold very little hope Sunak will have a good campaign.

    But, at some point, media scrutiny will start to shine very brightly on SKS as the prospective incoming PM rather than the incumbent government.

    And it won't all go to plan.

    CURRY
    What would you like?
    Thank you.

    Lamb dopiaza, obviously.

    Need you ask?



    I’ll have a chicken balti, no rice just a naan. For starters Prawn Puri. And a mango lassi.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,939
    kle4 said:

    Whenever I think people on here can be too harsh on the Tories I reflect on some relatives, who among other things were passionately convinced the Tories would not even hold the next election if they looked likely to lose it, but would just stay in office without one.

    I doubt there will be the slightest peep of dissent when Labour romp home.

    One of the most horrific themes of the Brexit referendum was Anna Soubry.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155

    Does this mean any Lab seat that has not finished selection will now have NEC/leader approved candidates parachuted in?

    What will happen now in Islington North?

    The NEC had already taken control of selection in Islington North.

    Shortlist to be announced tomorrow, ballots going out the day after and the result to be announced on Saturday of next week.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    edited May 22
    megasaur said:

    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    I am going to judicially review the King's decision not to refuse a dissolution under the Lascelles principles
    That would be quite amusing to see attempted, given the insertion into the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act of a provision to prevent legal challenges. No idea whether revival means Lascelles is more in play.

    A court or tribunal may not question—

    (a)the exercise or purported exercise of the powers referred to in section 2 (revivial of prerogative powers to dissolve parliament and to call a new parliament),

    (b)any decision or purported decision relating to those powers, or

    (c)the limits or extent of those powers.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/11/contents/enacted
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,920
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    That’s going to end well.

    Meanwhile, spare a thought for Cammo, six months’ luxury travel gone down the toilet. I doubt being shadow minister in the Lords really appeals.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    That’s going to end well.

    Meanwhile, spare a thought for Cammo, six months’ luxury travel gone down the toilet. I doubt being shadow minister in the Lords really appeals.
    He's made many connections in the last 6 months, I am sure. Back in the upper class circles.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Après moi, le déluge?
    "Après le déluge, moi", said Starmer
    Daniel arap Moi, former president of Kenya, died Feb 4 2020. Thereafter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_East_Africa_floods

    Funny old world
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,073

    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
    The "Continuing SDP" surely.

    With a total of 3295 votes in 2019 (across all constituencies) they may well do worse than Binface.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,990
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    What a fabulous idea. Problem - so many of the MPs who are going to lose are so dumb that they think they are going to win. So why delay an election where you are going to win a glorious victory?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,351
    I think if Richi died tomorrow, the election would still go ahead.

    I don't think Tory backbenchers deposing him would cancel the election either
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337

    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
    The "Continuing SDP" surely.

    With a total of 3295 votes in 2019 (across all constituencies) they may well do worse than Binface.
    The Count lost to Lord Buckethead in 2019 with only 69 votes, so that would be poor indeed. Though he did much better in the mayoralties.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,095
    edited May 22
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    Andrea Jenkyns and co appear to have forgotten they not only need 52 twats but about 174 to vote no confidence.
    Brady will 'forget' to count again before prorogation if it gets close
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,993
    edited May 22
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    Sunak has checkmated them

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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,668

    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
    The "Continuing SDP" surely.

    With a total of 3295 votes in 2019 (across all constituencies) they may well do worse than Binface.
    No, the Continuity SDP wound itself up. This is the Continuity Continuity SDP!
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,095

    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
    The "Continuing SDP" surely.

    With a total of 3295 votes in 2019 (across all constituencies) they may well do worse than Binface.
    Theyve announced just shy of 100 candidates this time
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    This is utter bollx.

    Parliament is prorogued from Friday.

    The times we live in. Actual Tory MPs seem to be plotting to put the King in an awful position.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Does this mean any Lab seat that has not finished selection will now have NEC/leader approved candidates parachuted in?

    What will happen now in Islington North?

    Paul Mason presumably.
    Honestly they might as well go for him. He's an unstable wildcard, but the local party are mutinous over not getting Saint Jeremy, so might as well just piss them off fully and select someone outside entirely.
    I bloody hope not - I'll be back to voting Lib Dem if they do.

    If they want a big name, Wolmar would be a better choice, but I expect them to choose one of the local options - Praful Nargund would be the obvious choice if he's on the shortlist.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,351
    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118

    Does this mean any Lab seat that has not finished selection will now have NEC/leader approved candidates parachuted in?

    What will happen now in Islington North?

    Yes. Diane Abbot. She said only black people suffer real prejudice, not Jews. And in defence claimed she don’t actually believe that - though presumably wrote it, and gave it to the Observer to print, accidentally?

    Make your mind up time Starmer.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,095
    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot

    A great many pieces of vile self centred flotsam are about to be flushed.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,113
    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    These people are supposed to be democrats. What on earth could they be afraid of?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 15,239
    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot

    Something something face-eating leopards.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101

    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    Actual Tory MPs seem to be plotting to put the King in an awful position.
    Fortunately, I doubt we'll be hearing from most of them again....

    Friends saw King at ROH last week - not looking that great.....

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,873

    algarkirk said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    With the law's delays and certainty of appeal and the process not beyond very preliminary stages it's a racing certainty flights won't happen. There just isn't time.

    Part of Sunak's cunning plan is that the date he has set allows him leeway, when addressing the gullible, to say 'Vote Tory to see the Rwanda thingy through, don't let Labour/leftie lawyers spoil it.'

    And it is, while worthless rubbish, a piece of clear blue water in an election where there isn't much.

    BTW my view that NoM is possible rests in part on Reform either being marginalised down to nothing much, or in fact doing a deal with the Tories as in 2019. This will get trashed if Farage announces he is taking over the reins of Reform.
    Reform UK have announced a deal for the general election!

    With the SDP.
    The "Continuing SDP" surely.

    With a total of 3295 votes in 2019 (across all constituencies) they may well do worse than Binface.
    Theyve announced just shy of 100 candidates this time
    Those deposits should help with council finances.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118
    megasaur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I think the something we don't know was a credible threat from within the party. Things have got so much more dire since the local elections that a putsch was starting to look no madder than sticking with him. The cabinet meeting was an exercise in "look what you made me do, hope you're happy".
    So May 2nd would have been good idea then? 😃
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    The replies to this tweet are "mixed" at best:

    https://x.com/lornaslater/status/1793333480492876080

    Some candidates in there (NSFW)
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,095
    edited May 22
    GIN1138 said:

    CatMan said:

    Ok, it's from a GB "News" journalist, but funny if true

    "👀
    Wow! Extraordinary but true - some furious Conservative MPs are tonight working on a plot to CALL OFF the general election by replacing Rishi Sunak as leader before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday.
    One rebel Tory MP tells me he believes “several” more letters of no confidence in Sunak have been submitted to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady.
    The MP: “Today has clearly been an absolute disaster but the election is NOT irrevocable; up until the point of the Dissolution of Parliament - when the writs are moved to begin the contests, it can still be aborted.
    “In other words, if enough Tory MPs, who are clearly going to lose their seats in this already utterly shambolic campaign, write to Sir Graham Brady, tomorrow , the election could still be revoked.”
    "

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793380451752800445

    These people are supposed to be democrats. What on earth could they be afraid of?
    They also dont appear to realise Sunak will still be PM and retain the confidence of the house, and thus dissolution goes on. The government will not table any VONC in parliament as there is no need as it is dissolving so the rebels would merely achieve going into a GE leaderless
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118
    Scott_xP said:

    @HLThompson93

    Everybody at the general election announcement looks utterly broken


    This has got to be faked. It’s like Walking Dead.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    Doesn’t the ruling only effect the removal of people from Northern Ireland?
    That's the government's position, certainly. But it's likely to need another trip through the High Court in London to confirm that. Getting multiple flights off before the election is no longer as likely as it might have seemed a couple of weeks ago...
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 64,190

    Scott_xP said:

    @HLThompson93

    Everybody at the general election announcement looks utterly broken


    This has got to be faked. It’s like Walking Dead.
    Everyone in that looked a great deal more animated.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,059


    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163

    I don't blame them. At the end of the day, he's too much of a turd even to grant his MPs a few more months in paid employment before the wipeout that his awful premiership has guaranteed.

    I can't think of a single redeeming feature as a politician. Truss tried to turn things around. Sunk preferred to preside over the sinking ship with a sub-Cameron level sneering superiority.

    I suspect the change of date is under US pressure so it doesn't conflict with their sorry Presidential election.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,678
    Ghedebrav said:

    Prediction today. I plan to make another the week before. Am counting speakers as their nominal party.

    So:
    Greens 1 (am doubtful actually, but let’s be optimistic)
    The Rochdale Gorgeous Party 1
    Plaid 2
    SNP 26
    LD 27
    Cons 204
    Lab: 371

    NI (IANAE):
    DUP: 7
    SF: 7
    SDLP: 2
    Alliance: 2

    I think that's a decent guess.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    ISLINGTON NORTH: Labour shortlist released, and it's very short:

    Praful Nargund
    Sem Moema


    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793378252154913030

    Journalist (he, him). Standing for selection as Labour's candidate for Islington North

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews
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    edited May 22

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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,425
    At least the GE will get rid of some of the appalling Tory MP'S , the trouble is is that the HoC will then be faced with an incoming equal or greater number of appalling Labour MP,s. It will soon be clear who they are.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,118

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot

    A great many pieces of vile self centred flotsam are about to be flushed.
    For me, Victoria Atkins would be a loss to politics. She is a strong and effective Conservative politician, and this election campaign will show it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337

    The replies to this tweet are "mixed" at best:

    https://x.com/lornaslater/status/1793333480492876080

    Some candidates in there (NSFW)


    Every vote for the @scottishgreens on July 4th will be a vote to put people and planet before profit.


    Any slogan which no one could disagree with is meaningless. That one is pretty close, but in fairness I think we get the gist that others would be less committed to that.

    I see they stood in 22 seats last time, with 1% of the vote.

    In 2017 it was 3 and 0.2%, in 2015 it was 32 and 1.3%.

    So the big question is how widely are they standing and can they better 1.3%.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,572

    Scott_xP said:

    @HLThompson93

    Everybody at the general election announcement looks utterly broken


    This has got to be faked. It’s like Walking Dead.
    Charioscuro suggests a Renaissance painting.
    The damned at the gates of hell or summat.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,113


    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163

    I don't blame them. At the end of the day, he's too much of a turd even to grant his MPs a few more months in paid employment before the wipeout that his awful premiership has guaranteed.

    I can't think of a single redeeming feature as a politician. Truss tried to turn things around. Sunk preferred to preside over the sinking ship with a sub-Cameron level sneering superiority.

    I suspect the change of date is under US pressure so it doesn't conflict with their sorry Presidential election.
    It will soon all be over anyway, Lucky...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,572
    Curtice on R4 now.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    I think we're missing the biggest losers out of this General Election - Alba.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,262
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    A change of clothes. Mind you, there will be a number of Tory MPs with equally wet underpants after today’s announcement.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,095

    ISLINGTON NORTH: Labour shortlist released, and it's very short:

    Praful Nargund
    Sem Moema


    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793378252154913030

    Journalist (he, him). Standing for selection as Labour's candidate for Islington North

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews

    Mason is the biggest loser in politics.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,554

    geoffw said:

    I wonder if there may be Black Swans ahead (there always are - ed.) chatting to a friend this weekend who is involved in corporate security, I asked if there was anywhere I shouldn't be planning a holiday apart from Taiwan ("absolutely not") - to my surprises, "Japan" was mentioned - which I suppose makes sense....

    Why is that? (Genuinely asking for a friend)

    If it goes tits up in Taiwan a lot of US military is there, so if the US is involved, Japan is involved, and Japan can build nukes in two seconds flat...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us-japanh-plan-biggest-upgrade-security-pact-more-than-60-years-ft-reports-2024-03-24/
    South Korea is curiously good at flying plate explosive design.
    I expect done out of idle curiosity......
    Well, explosive forming of materials is top notch engineering. Flying plate designs are very useful there.

    Swanning around, showing off such designs, also serves a purpose.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,262
    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Prediction today. I plan to make another the week before. Am counting speakers as their nominal party.

    So:
    Greens 1 (am doubtful actually, but let’s be optimistic)
    The Rochdale Gorgeous Party 1
    Plaid 2
    SNP 26
    LD 27
    Cons 204
    Lab: 371

    NI (IANAE):
    DUP: 7
    SF: 7
    SDLP: 2
    Alliance: 2

    I think that's a decent guess.
    In the event of a close race for third place, which seats are likely to keep us guessing whether it will be the Lib Dems or the SNP?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337


    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163

    I don't blame them. At the end of the day, he's too much of a turd even to grant his MPs a few more months in paid employment before the wipeout that his awful premiership has guaranteed.

    I can't think of a single redeeming feature as a politician. Truss tried to turn things around. Sunk preferred to preside over the sinking ship with a sub-Cameron level sneering superiority.

    I suspect the change of date is under US pressure so it doesn't conflict with their sorry Presidential election.
    Could have gone later if they wanted to avoid that, so I doubt it was the main reason, though it was probably factored in.

    The fact it was literally the earliest an election could be whilst still the second half of the year as he promised suggests to me it was probably that they see no way to turn things around and no likely game changing events either.

    So MPs can be mad, but it might save one or two of them.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155

    ISLINGTON NORTH: Labour shortlist released, and it's very short:

    Praful Nargund
    Sem Moema


    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793378252154913030

    Journalist (he, him). Standing for selection as Labour's candidate for Islington North

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews

    Brilliant. Moema is on the London Assembly, Nargund is an Islington Councillor.

    Both are decent - Moema is prominent in housing campaigns, particularly on private renters & post-Grenfell cladding issues. Nargund runs a chain of IVF clinics and campaigns on healthcare and skills & training.

    Moema is more likely to be acceptable to Corbynites, Nargund is probably the better choice for someone capable of building a national profile.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,329
    I'm not sure I would favour the SDLP to hold Foyle over SF, in an election where a Brexit choice is off the table. In Belfast South, they have incumbency on their side, even though Alliance won most votes at Assembly level in 2022, so I think they will hold, but anyone could take it if SF field a candidate this time. I don't see what has changed in Belfast East where there are still a few thousand unionist votes for the DUP to squeeze. So I will struggle to put Alliance + SDLP at 4 as in the prediction below. One each is possible but I'd guess 3 in total.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337
    BTW as of a few days ago the official list of MPs standing down was at 107, so still a long way to go to match 2010's 149, but not far off 1997's 117.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,312

    AlsoLei said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KateEMcCann
    Bumped into senior member of Team Sunak leaving Downing Street this eve. I asked why now? They said this July date has been a slow burn for the PM and better economic news coupled with a fear that public have stopped listening were deciding factors. The biggest though? "Things have started to go wrong... that's going to keep happening. You don't want to be sat there in Downing Street all summer while they do"

    Is there something we don’t know?

    Maybe bad news on Rwanda flights behind the scenes?

    Their talk of Rwanda flights has gone a bit quiet in the last week…
    I'm fairly sure that last week's high court ruling in Belfast scuppered the Rwanda flights for the foreseeable future.

    At the very least, it opened the way for fresh legal challenges before the first flight takes off - and I suspect they realised that there was now a good chance that there wouldn't have been any flights before the next election, no matter when it was called.
    Boat Crossings currently running at record levels for time of year, and on the graph they always shoot up from July onwards. They needed flights in the air same time as surge to limit the political fallout.

    Other things than courts could be an issue - like knowing where the ones best suited to get through court appeals actually are? It looked like RAF flights, could a problem have emerged with that? Issues at the Rwanda end, who have seemed to be going lukewarm on it for sometime? Rwanda needed to consider Starmer seeking end to the arrangement from Day 1, based on that Rwanda still keen on proceeding?
    Not just small boats. Aiui the official migration figures are due out tomorrow, something else that might have escaped Rishi's planning.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,572
    edited May 22
    Steve Brine "The British people are not stupid". It's the media's job to do X,Y,Z.
    NOT a great start.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,873

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot

    A great many pieces of vile self centred flotsam are about to be flushed.
    For me, Victoria Atkins would be a loss to politics. She is a strong and effective Conservative politician, and this election campaign will show it.
    As Health Secs go she hasn't been the worst. Caving in to the Doctors Strikes needed to be done, but she has even less charisma than Starmer. She is way out of her depth in government. Too ineffectual to do anything.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,071

    ISLINGTON NORTH: Labour shortlist released, and it's very short:

    Praful Nargund
    Sem Moema


    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793378252154913030

    Journalist (he, him). Standing for selection as Labour's candidate for Islington North

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews

    Mason is the biggest loser in politics.
    Seb Payne would like a word.
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    BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 19,316

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Prediction today. I plan to make another the week before. Am counting speakers as their nominal party.

    So:
    Greens 1 (am doubtful actually, but let’s be optimistic)
    The Rochdale Gorgeous Party 1
    Plaid 2
    SNP 26
    LD 27
    Cons 204
    Lab: 371

    NI (IANAE):
    DUP: 7
    SF: 7
    SDLP: 2
    Alliance: 2

    I think that's a decent guess.
    In the event of a close race for third place, which seats are likely to keep us guessing whether it will be the Lib Dems or the SNP?
    Don't rule out the Tories competing for third place.

    OK, maybe not that, but while Starmer is no Blair, Sunak is no Major. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories poll worse than 1997.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155
    EPG said:

    I'm not sure I would favour the SDLP to hold Foyle over SF, in an election where a Brexit choice is off the table. In Belfast South, they have incumbency on their side, even though Alliance won most votes at Assembly level in 2022, so I think they will hold, but anyone could take it if SF field a candidate this time. I don't see what has changed in Belfast East where there are still a few thousand unionist votes for the DUP to squeeze. So I will struggle to put Alliance + SDLP at 4 as in the prediction below. One each is possible but I'd guess 3 in total.

    Belfast South is always tricky to predict - I'm a bit out of the loop, but I'd expect Claire Hanna to be fairly attractive to the sort of voter who might otherwise think of voting Alliance.

    Has Naomi Long decided yet if she'll be standing again in Belfast East? If not, I'd have thought that Big Gav would be a dead cert, given his decisive(/ruthless) handling of the Jeffrey Donaldson situation.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,386
    edited May 22
    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,286
    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Dissolution is 30th.

    Prorogue is 24th (Friday).

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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,668
    AlsoLei said:

    EPG said:

    I'm not sure I would favour the SDLP to hold Foyle over SF, in an election where a Brexit choice is off the table. In Belfast South, they have incumbency on their side, even though Alliance won most votes at Assembly level in 2022, so I think they will hold, but anyone could take it if SF field a candidate this time. I don't see what has changed in Belfast East where there are still a few thousand unionist votes for the DUP to squeeze. So I will struggle to put Alliance + SDLP at 4 as in the prediction below. One each is possible but I'd guess 3 in total.

    Belfast South is always tricky to predict - I'm a bit out of the loop, but I'd expect Claire Hanna to be fairly attractive to the sort of voter who might otherwise think of voting Alliance.

    Has Naomi Long decided yet if she'll be standing again in Belfast East? If not, I'd have thought that Big Gav would be a dead cert, given his decisive(/ruthless) handling of the Jeffrey Donaldson situation.
    Last I saw, a couple of weeks ago, Long said she hadn’t yet decided.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,863

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound

    Interesting that the reaction of Tory MPs tonight is fatalistic about the result but fury at Sunak. They thought they had 5/6 months to get a job, to plan their lives. They think Sunak doesn't care about them with his millions and his US home. "Selfish" a word I've heard a lot

    A great many pieces of vile self centred flotsam are about to be flushed.
    For me, Victoria Atkins would be a loss to politics. She is a strong and effective Conservative politician, and this election campaign will show it.
    What? She is useless. She is the exact opposite of effective. Can you give an example of her being effective? Anything? And she is hopeless when being interviewed. I can think of many more Tory ministers who are more effective and we are selecting from a very poor bunch.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,059
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    kle4 said:


    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163

    I don't blame them. At the end of the day, he's too much of a turd even to grant his MPs a few more months in paid employment before the wipeout that his awful premiership has guaranteed.

    I can't think of a single redeeming feature as a politician. Truss tried to turn things around. Sunk preferred to preside over the sinking ship with a sub-Cameron level sneering superiority.

    I suspect the change of date is under US pressure so it doesn't conflict with their sorry Presidential election.
    Could have gone later if they wanted to avoid that, so I doubt it was the main reason, though it was probably factored in.

    The fact it was literally the earliest an election could be whilst still the second half of the year as he promised suggests to me it was probably that they see no way to turn things around and no likely game changing events either.

    So MPs can be mad, but it might save one or two of them.
    It won't.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,386

    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Dissolution is 30th.

    Prorogue is 24th (Friday).

    Thanks - but what does that mean for Bills completing their passage?

    Do they have until 24th or 30th?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,351
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Dissolution is 30th.

    Prorogue is 24th (Friday).

    Thanks - but what does that mean for Bills completing their passage?

    Do they have until 24th or 30th?
    24th I think
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,572
    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Prorogation is on Friday.
    Dissolution a week tomorrow.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,572
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Dissolution is 30th.

    Prorogue is 24th (Friday).

    Thanks - but what does that mean for Bills completing their passage?

    Do they have until 24th or 30th?
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    Dissolution is 30th.

    Prorogue is 24th (Friday).

    Thanks - but what does that mean for Bills completing their passage?

    Do they have until 24th or 30th?
    24th.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,155
    MikeL said:

    Can anyone confirm date for dissolution of Parliament.

    At least two posts on here have claimed it's this Friday.

    But Institute of Government says 30 May.

    Presumably Institute of Government is correct?

    https://x.com/jack_pannnell/status/1793317127673221380

    It's the 30th May as a result of the Whitsun recess being cancelled, I think. There's a Business Statement scheduled for tomorrow, so I'd expect more to be known by then: https://whatson.parliament.uk/event/cal47759
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,337

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    kle4 said:


    The New Statesman
    @NewStatesman

    As MPs rage at the Prime Minister’s snap election announcement, it’s hard to imagine a less united party.

    https://x.com/NewStatesman/status/1793350271696843163

    I don't blame them. At the end of the day, he's too much of a turd even to grant his MPs a few more months in paid employment before the wipeout that his awful premiership has guaranteed.

    I can't think of a single redeeming feature as a politician. Truss tried to turn things around. Sunk preferred to preside over the sinking ship with a sub-Cameron level sneering superiority.

    I suspect the change of date is under US pressure so it doesn't conflict with their sorry Presidential election.
    Could have gone later if they wanted to avoid that, so I doubt it was the main reason, though it was probably factored in.

    The fact it was literally the earliest an election could be whilst still the second half of the year as he promised suggests to me it was probably that they see no way to turn things around and no likely game changing events either.

    So MPs can be mad, but it might save one or two of them.
    It won't.
    So you think Sunak would have turned things around and improved the situation between now and, say, October?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,487
    EPG said:

    I'm not sure I would favour the SDLP to hold Foyle over SF, in an election where a Brexit choice is off the table. In Belfast South, they have incumbency on their side, even though Alliance won most votes at Assembly level in 2022, so I think they will hold, but anyone could take it if SF field a candidate this time. I don't see what has changed in Belfast East where there are still a few thousand unionist votes for the DUP to squeeze. So I will struggle to put Alliance + SDLP at 4 as in the prediction below. One each is possible but I'd guess 3 in total.

    Fair - I don’t know NI politics well, so was making a best guess based on what I vaguely recalled from the Assembly elections.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,863
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I have an eye on my inbox.

    I give it 20 minutes from any announcement until a Labour fundraiser hits it.

    To update:

    18:10 the mail landed.
    5.23 pm for my email from Ed Davey asking for money. 7.35 pm for my local party to ask for, well everything, by email.

    At 12.56 I had an email from Surrey Heath LDs telling me Ed Davey was visiting there and to expect an announcement re the GE and 2 pm my local party Whatapped me to say the same thing.

    I'm still livid I am going to be away for 10 days of the campaign on holiday.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,386
    Thanks all.

    Lots of Bills in progress - you would have thought they would need more than two days to get as many through as possible unless you can literally do each reading in a matter of minutes and vote not to bother with a committee stage?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,487

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Prediction today. I plan to make another the week before. Am counting speakers as their nominal party.

    So:
    Greens 1 (am doubtful actually, but let’s be optimistic)
    The Rochdale Gorgeous Party 1
    Plaid 2
    SNP 26
    LD 27
    Cons 204
    Lab: 371

    NI (IANAE):
    DUP: 7
    SF: 7
    SDLP: 2
    Alliance: 2

    I think that's a decent guess.
    In the event of a close race for third place, which seats are likely to keep us guessing whether it will be the Lib Dems or the SNP?
    It’ll be the Con/LD marginals probably, and then depends how well Labour perform in Scotland.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,669
    Scott_xP said:

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    July 4?! Should be 4 July, at the very least.
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