How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
I had two Oxford ones (never had any more after that) and no side effects. Got my first and only bout of Covid last year - didn't love it but not too bad. There's no way to tell if the vaccine helped or not.
Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Why has Dune 2 hit streaming so quickly, I thought it was supposed to be good?
Which sand worm among you flagged this question?
what I want to know about that movie is how they get OFF the giant sand worms
When they release the hooks, the poor harried sand worm dives into the sand. So you kinda jump off backwards.
It is quite clear that Shaddam IV made a big mistake on relying on 10 legions of Sardaukar. Ok, sociopathic religious fanatics trained to be the best warriors in the galaxy. But he really should have called in the RSPCA.
I'm not sure that would pass a health and safety inspection.
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
Genuinely though, something messed me up badly with that first jab. It was the worst I have ever felt by a huge margin
I know quite a few people who had a very bad reaction to AZ , mainly on the first dose . Pfizer wasn’t perfect but it had a much lower incidence of severe side effects.
To give some context, I’m lucky that I’ve never been really ill, touch wood, so my exposure to feeling rough is a bit low. Never had to go to hospital except for stitches and detached retinas
That’s great . I was a smoker and now vape so my risk reward re the vaccine was a no brainer and I lived with someone who was high risk so that was another factor.
The most I’ve had from any of the jabs was a sore top of the arm so feel quite lucky there . I was in France then and ironically was too young to have the AZ ! They would only give me Pfizer as I was under 55.
Why has Dune 2 hit streaming so quickly, I thought it was supposed to be good?
Which sand worm among you flagged this question?
what I want to know about that movie is how they get OFF the giant sand worms
For me, it's why would an army of grown adults follow Timothee Chalamet anywhere, and how the (redacted) did he get off with Zendaya? He looks like a Muppet made from a toilet brush..
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
Genuinely though, something messed me up badly with that first jab. It was the worst I have ever felt by a huge margin
I know quite a few people who had a very bad reaction to AZ , mainly on the first dose . Pfizer wasn’t perfect but it had a much lower incidence of severe side effects.
To give some context, I’m lucky that I’ve never been really ill, touch wood, so my exposure to feeling rough is a bit low. Never had to go to hospital except for stitches and detached retinas
That’s great . I was a smoker and now vape so my risk reward re the vaccine was a no brainer and I lived with someone who was high risk so that was another factor.
The most I’ve had from any of the jabs was a sore top of the arm so feel quite lucky there . I was in France then and ironically was too young to have the AZ ! They would only give me Pfizer as I was under 55.
Yes, my girlfriend was pregnant in summer 21 so I felt like I had to have the jab… although whether it would have stopped her catching covid from me is another matter. I only had two jabs, tested positive for it twice since and didn’t feel bad either time
Why has Dune 2 hit streaming so quickly, I thought it was supposed to be good?
Which sand worm among you flagged this question?
what I want to know about that movie is how they get OFF the giant sand worms
For me, it's why would an army of grown adults follow Timothee Chalamet anywhere, and how the (redacted) did he get off with Zendaya? He looks like a Muppet made from a toilet brush..
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
I had two Oxford ones (never had any more after that) and no side effects. Got my first and only bout of Covid last year - didn't love it but not too bad. There's no way to tell if the vaccine helped or not.
Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Mrs DA had the AZ as her first vaccine, was horrendously ill with it (like isam reckoned herself to be a 'goner') and has had impaired hearing ever since. This is a thing apparently.
She then had a few of rounds of Moderna which neither made her ill nor prevented her from getting Covid.
The vaccines were a net benefit but pretending they were completely safe from day one was, and is, complete bullshit.
On air gaps: In "How America Lost its Secrets", Edward Jay Epstein says that one of the secrets Snowden revealed is that the US had a way of bridging air gaps -- which we were using in China. No details are given in the book, except this one:
As I recall -- it's been a while since I read the book -- it worked if you had nearby computers that were attached to the Internet.
Doesn't seem impossible, but I am not an expert on such things (and probably couldn't tell you, if I were).
To all of you who insisted EVERYONE MUST have these vaccines, or else…Do you feel bad now?
I’ll never forget people DEMANDING that others had these jabs, else essentially be removed from public interactions including ability to earn a living and/or socialise etc
Folk even wanted to remove healthcare from those who made a choice that the vaccine wasn’t right for them… They vilified them, mocked them, abused them and smeared them.
None of these things happened. Not here, and not in the United States either. The vaccine (any of them) has never been compulsory, and excepting a brief six months or so having to show a Covid passport to get to the theatre, I wasn't asked to prove my status anywhere.
So file that as 'things that didn't happen'.
It was compulsory for anyone who needed to travel internationally and NHS workers did get sacked for refusing the vaccination.
That's not quite true: different countries had different vaccination requirements.
But, generally, yes if you wanted to travel between countries during the pandemic you needed to be vaccinated.
There was too much groupthink during the Covid 19 crisis, particularly with regard to lockdowns and closing schools imo. I don't agree with criticisms of the vaccines though.
Just as worryingly, I don't think those that were in positions of power and influence think there was too much of it. The tilt of the COVID inquiry so far seems to be too little was done, often too late, not that group think enforced that restrictions went on too long and that the only poor choices that were made were being too relaxed on the lockdowns.
The way that so many of the loudest voices seems to now just carry on like COVID never happened and / or they had nothing really to say about it. When day in day out, if the government wasn't promising lockdown by sundown they were killing grannies.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
We have seen a number of these. Wasn't there adverts for AI / ML people to work for the government (following Big Dom's demand for super genius types to be hired to replace 1000s of civil servant jobs) and again it was £50-60k, when DeepMind, OpenAI, etc are paying £500k+ basic for entry level. Even outside of the very top companies, people are genuinely top notch AI / ML people command significantly more than £50k a year.
Off topic: About 2/3 of the votes have been counted in Indiana Republican presidential primary, and Nikki Haley is still getting her usual share: 21.7 percent
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
I had two Oxford ones (never had any more after that) and no side effects. Got my first and only bout of Covid last year - didn't love it but not too bad. There's no way to tell if the vaccine helped or not.
Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Mrs DA had the AZ as her first vaccine, was horrendously ill with it (like isam reckoned herself to be a 'goner') and has had impaired hearing ever since. This is a thing apparently.
She then had a few of rounds of Moderna which neither made her ill nor prevented her from getting Covid.
The vaccines were a net benefit but pretending they were completely safe from day one was, and is, complete bullshit.
Straw man
No one Ellsberg said they were safe.
The side effect profile was tested and disclosed. It was a risk reward profile suggested it was sensible on both an individual and societal level to use the products
But Macron got all political about it because Sanofi Pasteur’s efforts were a complete bust
Off topic: About 2/3 of the votes have been counted in Indiana Republican presidential primary, and Nikki Haley is still getting her usual share: 21.7 percent
If she was a Lib Dem her supporters would be celebrating in the streets…
The only issue is... I'm slightly embarrassed to be seen in public in it.
It hides nothing. It's a little obscene.
What is the purpose of clothing? Three purposes. To shelter your body from the elements. To preserve your dignity/modesty in the eyes of others. For reasons of flamboyant display.
If your trisuit is a little obscene then it's failing on one of the purposes of clothing. And that's why I'm a cyclist who doesn't wear lycra.
Errr, I thought the point of cycling gear was to minimize chafing.
You need to wear reasonably close fitting clothes to avoid getting them covered in grease or ripped up in the chain. You also tend to get through standard trousers very quickly given the level of friction. Some normal running style leggings do the trick for commuting.
It takes a very specific kind of person to actually enjoy getting into lycra. Same with wetsuits. But they serve a purpose.
The only issue is... I'm slightly embarrassed to be seen in public in it.
It hides nothing. It's a little obscene.
What is the purpose of clothing? Three purposes. To shelter your body from the elements. To preserve your dignity/modesty in the eyes of others. For reasons of flamboyant display.
If your trisuit is a little obscene then it's failing on one of the purposes of clothing. And that's why I'm a cyclist who doesn't wear lycra.
In this case, it actually preserves modesty. AIUI a trisuit is not quite as good in the water as a swimsuit; not quite as good on a bike as proper cycling shorts; and not quit as good running as running shorts. But it's good enough to be worn for all three activities, and prevents having to change between the events, which may be somewhat *less* modest or dignified...
(I don't wear lycra when cycling normally either. But if doing a triathlon, a trisuit is a too for the job - and I need to wear it occasionally just to get used to it...
On air gaps: In "How America Lost its Secrets", Edward Jay Epstein says that one of the secrets Snowden revealed is that the US had a way of bridging air gaps -- which we were using in China. No details are given in the book, except this one:
As I recall -- it's been a while since I read the book -- it worked if you had nearby computers that were attached to the Internet.
Doesn't seem impossible, but I am not an expert on such things (and probably couldn't tell you, if I were).
A tech company near me had special coatings applied to all of the windows to prevent certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation from escaping. You can still see in, though the windows appear slightly darkened, and apparently the view out is fine.
They applied the expensive films, then about six months later moved out of the building...
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
So now we've got Joe Rogan, to add to Dan Wootton, Isabel Oakeshott and Michelle Dewberry. Formidable.
Any chance of somebody inventing a vaccine against far-right idiocy?
I don't get Joe Rogan. Listening to some on here, he's a brilliant interviewer who is exceptionally intelligent. I've watched a handful of his shows, and he seems to ask dumbass questions, and often leaves guest's points unchallenged. In a couple of cases, he'd also evidently little or no background knowledge about the subject.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
Who the hell would want to be in charge of IT security anywhere, let alone somewhere full of state secrets, for anything near £50k, unless that’s the monthly salary? They can earn £500-£1k per day as contractors, and won’t generally find their name in the papers when something goes wrong.
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
On air gaps: In "How America Lost its Secrets", Edward Jay Epstein says that one of the secrets Snowden revealed is that the US had a way of bridging air gaps -- which we were using in China. No details are given in the book, except this one:
As I recall -- it's been a while since I read the book -- it worked if you had nearby computers that were attached to the Internet.
Doesn't seem impossible, but I am not an expert on such things (and probably couldn't tell you, if I were).
A tech company near me had special coatings applied to all of the windows to prevent certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation from escaping. You can still see in, though the windows appear slightly darkened, and apparently the view out is fine.
They applied the expensive films, then about six months later moved out of the building...
On air gaps: In "How America Lost its Secrets", Edward Jay Epstein says that one of the secrets Snowden revealed is that the US had a way of bridging air gaps -- which we were using in China. No details are given in the book, except this one:
As I recall -- it's been a while since I read the book -- it worked if you had nearby computers that were attached to the Internet.
Doesn't seem impossible, but I am not an expert on such things (and probably couldn't tell you, if I were).
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
So now we've got Joe Rogan, to add to Dan Wootton, Isabel Oakeshott and Michelle Dewberry. Formidable.
Any chance of somebody inventing a vaccine against far-right idiocy?
I don't get Joe Rogan. Listening to some on here, he's a brilliant interviewer who is exceptionally intelligent. I've watched a handful of his shows, and he seems to ask dumbass questions, and often leaves guest's points unchallenged. In a couple of cases, he'd also evidently little or no background knowledge about the subject.
It's not exactly In Our Time...
But I think that's precisely why it's popular. He lets people talk and if you know nothing about the subject, he asks the stupid question you would want to ask.
I was getting a bit frustrated with the opening episodes of Clarkson's Farm, for example. I really wanted to know more about when you would want to plant rape, why some fields on the east of the farm are better for wheat. But then I grew up in a classroom full of farmers, so already know more about it than 95% of people (and I know very little).
This caught my eye: "Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US."
I think it's simpler: the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a simple case of wrong and right; evil and good. Unlike (say) Israel/Palestine, the morality is easy for anyone who does not have a agenda to see. If you believe in democracy, self-determination, and what is right, then we should be firmly on Ukraine's side.
Russia is in the wrong. There are no excuses for the evil it is committing.
Anyone supporting, or excusing, Russia's actions are not only wrong; they are like Germans excusing or ignoring the existence of concentration camps in WW2.
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
So now we've got Joe Rogan, to add to Dan Wootton, Isabel Oakeshott and Michelle Dewberry. Formidable.
Any chance of somebody inventing a vaccine against far-right idiocy?
I don't get Joe Rogan. Listening to some on here, he's a brilliant interviewer who is exceptionally intelligent. I've watched a handful of his shows, and he seems to ask dumbass questions, and often leaves guest's points unchallenged. In a couple of cases, he'd also evidently little or no background knowledge about the subject.
It's not exactly In Our Time...
But I think that's precisely why it's popular. He lets people talk and if you know nothing about the subject, he asks the stupid question you would want to ask.
I was getting a bit frustrated with the opening episodes of Clarkson's Farm, for example. I really wanted to know more about when you would want to plant rape, why some fields on the east of the farm are better for wheat. But then I grew up in a classroom full of farmers, so already know more about it than 95% of people (and I know very little).
Yes, I realise that. But my point is that he's *not* a brilliant interviewer, because the audience does not end up being informed and worse, the audience can easily end up being misled. 'Truth' does not come into it.
I've no problem with the show existing; no problem with its popularity. I do have a problem with people lauding it as being truthful or insightful. It's solely entertainment.
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
I had two Oxford ones (never had any more after that) and no side effects. Got my first and only bout of Covid last year - didn't love it but not too bad. There's no way to tell if the vaccine helped or not.
Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Mrs DA had the AZ as her first vaccine, was horrendously ill with it (like isam reckoned herself to be a 'goner') and has had impaired hearing ever since. This is a thing apparently.
She then had a few of rounds of Moderna which neither made her ill nor prevented her from getting Covid.
The vaccines were a net benefit but pretending they were completely safe from day one was, and is, complete bullshit.
Straw man
No one Ellsberg said they were safe.
The side effect profile was tested and disclosed. It was a risk reward profile suggested it was sensible on both an individual and societal level to use the products
But Macron got all political about it because Sanofi Pasteur’s efforts were a complete bust
I'm old enough to remember when people got all political over those not calling it the Oxford vaccine. Strangely no-one seems to be calling it the Oxford vaccine any more.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
Who the hell would want to be in charge of IT security anywhere, let alone somewhere full of state secrets, for anything near £50k, unless that’s the monthly salary? They can earn £500-£1k per day as contractors, and won’t generally find their name in the papers when something goes wrong.
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
I work in a public sector role with a similar wage differential. The people they recruit generally either have confidence/performance issues or use the role for development purposes.
What you end up with is what I can only describe as a cycle of self-reinforcing dysfunctionality. The organisation don't grasp the problem and keeps making perverse decisions; ie to dismiss all the contractors it relies on to get the work done with great fanfare before contemplating the fact that it consequently has no capacity to do the work. The people it promotes as managers don't have the skills to deal with the situation.
I worked for around twenty years in the Pharmaceutal industry, in what was initially known as the "Toxicology" department. I took part regularly as a volunteer in clinical trials on what was known as New Drug Entities. I never had a bad side effect. Once, after spraining my ankle playing rugby, I had a miracle cure after testing a new anti-inflammatory. It never made it to market, though.
I remember another volunteer who always had side-effects. He seldom lasted more than an hour before going home with a headache. Fortunately, half the time, he was on the placebo.
Side effects can be genuine, but that's why we have double-blind dosing.
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
So now we've got Joe Rogan, to add to Dan Wootton, Isabel Oakeshott and Michelle Dewberry. Formidable.
Any chance of somebody inventing a vaccine against far-right idiocy?
I don't get Joe Rogan. Listening to some on here, he's a brilliant interviewer who is exceptionally intelligent. I've watched a handful of his shows, and he seems to ask dumbass questions, and often leaves guest's points unchallenged. In a couple of cases, he'd also evidently little or no background knowledge about the subject.
It's not exactly In Our Time...
But I think that's precisely why it's popular. He lets people talk and if you know nothing about the subject, he asks the stupid question you would want to ask.
I was getting a bit frustrated with the opening episodes of Clarkson's Farm, for example. I really wanted to know more about when you would want to plant rape, why some fields on the east of the farm are better for wheat. But then I grew up in a classroom full of farmers, so already know more about it than 95% of people (and I know very little).
Yes, I realise that. But my point is that he's *not* a brilliant interviewer, because the audience does not end up being informed and worse, the audience can easily end up being misled. 'Truth' does not come into it.
I've no problem with the show existing; no problem with its popularity. I do have a problem with people lauding it as being truthful or insightful. It's solely entertainment.
He’s a comedian not a journalist. His show is supposed to be primarily entertainment not serious news, and he’s pretty honest about the fact that he’s ‘stupid’.
That he is so popular, as with Jon Stewart before him, is a serious indictment of the more ‘serious’ news though, especially in the US, and their determination to push certain agendas and ignore certain stories or people. All done seven minutes at a time, in between messages from Pfizer, Coca-Cola, Monsanto, and Raytheon.
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
So now we've got Joe Rogan, to add to Dan Wootton, Isabel Oakeshott and Michelle Dewberry. Formidable.
Any chance of somebody inventing a vaccine against far-right idiocy?
I don't get Joe Rogan. Listening to some on here, he's a brilliant interviewer who is exceptionally intelligent. I've watched a handful of his shows, and he seems to ask dumbass questions, and often leaves guest's points unchallenged. In a couple of cases, he'd also evidently little or no background knowledge about the subject.
It's not exactly In Our Time...
But I think that's precisely why it's popular. He lets people talk and if you know nothing about the subject, he asks the stupid question you would want to ask.
I was getting a bit frustrated with the opening episodes of Clarkson's Farm, for example. I really wanted to know more about when you would want to plant rape, why some fields on the east of the farm are better for wheat. But then I grew up in a classroom full of farmers, so already know more about it than 95% of people (and I know very little).
Yes, I realise that. But my point is that he's *not* a brilliant interviewer, because the audience does not end up being informed and worse, the audience can easily end up being misled. 'Truth' does not come into it.
I've no problem with the show existing; no problem with its popularity. I do have a problem with people lauding it as being truthful or insightful. It's solely entertainment.
He’s a comedian not a journalist. His show is supposed to be primarily entertainment not serious news, and he’s pretty honest about the fact that he’s ‘stupid’.
That he is so popular, as with Jon Stewart before him, is a serious indictment of the more ‘serious’ news though, especially in the US, and their determination to push certain agendas and ignore certain stories or people. All done seven minutes at a time, in between messages from Pfizer, Coca-Cola, Monsanto, and Raytheon.
That's rubbish, isn't it? Entertainment has always been more popular than pure news. I don't even see what his show as being 'news', but that's the way he and his fans seem to sell it. See the truth!, etc.
Some people take what he - and his guests - say as insightful. From the shows I've seen, they're not.
And are you saying that Rogan himself isn't trying to push certain agendas or does not ignore certain stories?
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
Who the hell would want to be in charge of IT security anywhere, let alone somewhere full of state secrets, for anything near £50k, unless that’s the monthly salary? They can earn £500-£1k per day as contractors, and won’t generally find their name in the papers when something goes wrong.
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
I work in a public sector role with a similar wage differential. The people they recruit generally either have confidence/performance issues or use the role for development purposes.
What you end up with is what I can only describe as a cycle of self-reinforcing dysfunctionality. The organisation don't grasp the problem and keeps making perverse decisions; ie to dismiss all the contractors it relies on to get the work done with great fanfare before contemplating the fact that it consequently has no capacity to do the work. The people it promotes as managers don't have the skills to deal with the situation.
But public sector organisations can't offer the going rate, in part for fear of appearing in a Taxpayers' Alliance hate piece. But also because the total pay pot isn't big enough.That's especially true for senior management and niche technical roles.
So we get the situation we currently have, with gaps throughout the organisation chart and appointments made on a 'better than nobody at all' basis.
People are willing to work for less pay in the public sector- feelgood, conditions and pensions make a difference. But that only goes so far.
Ultimately, staff cost what they cost, cash and intangibles, somewhere in the overlap between the lowest the employee is prepared to accept and the highest the employer is prepared to offer. Except currently that overlap doesn't really exist, whether we're talking TAs, doctors, managers or computer geeks.
With the consequences we see around us. There aren't enough of us not that interested in money to staff the system.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
To all of you who insisted EVERYONE MUST have these vaccines, or else…Do you feel bad now?
I’ll never forget people DEMANDING that others had these jabs, else essentially be removed from public interactions including ability to earn a living and/or socialise etc
Folk even wanted to remove healthcare from those who made a choice that the vaccine wasn’t right for them… They vilified them, mocked them, abused them and smeared them.
None of these things happened. Not here, and not in the United States either. The vaccine (any of them) has never been compulsory, and excepting a brief six months or so having to show a Covid passport to get to the theatre, I wasn't asked to prove my status anywhere.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
I really, really doubt that it 'killed more than it saved'. Evidence, please.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
BREAKING: AstraZeneca is withdrawing its Covid jab WORLDWIDE. It's not safe enough now for anyone because of TTS side effects connected to over 80 deaths in the UK alone. Let's be honest, this vaccine was NEVER safe and effective. We were lied to. Where is the MSM?
Can you name these 80 people please, and tell me what it says they died of, and how old they were? And how long after the vaccine they died?
I mean, we can link anything to anything given enough time.
What a bellend , they have not used for ages due to known problems, it has now been totally removed , go ask teh NHS for the names and addresses. What a pathetic comeback.
There was too much groupthink during the Covid 19 crisis, particularly with regard to lockdowns and closing schools imo. I don't agree with criticisms of the vaccines though.
They were rushed and risky , we still don't know full story on them. Some people made lots of money though and who knows if not having them would have been worse. The guinea pigs experimented on will find out over time, these medical disasters often take 20 years to be completely flushed out. For sure there were side effects for lots of people, whether that was worse than getting the covid we will never know.
BREAKING: AstraZeneca is withdrawing its Covid jab WORLDWIDE. It's not safe enough now for anyone because of TTS side effects connected to over 80 deaths in the UK alone. Let's be honest, this vaccine was NEVER safe and effective. We were lied to. Where is the MSM?
Can you name these 80 people please, and tell me what it says they died of, and how old they were? And how long after the vaccine they died?
I mean, we can link anything to anything given enough time.
What a bellend , they have not used for ages due to known problems, it has now been totally removed , go ask teh NHS for the names and addresses. What a pathetic comeback.
There are no drugs, including vaccines, without side effects or other problems. That doesn’t say they shouldn’t be used; it’s a question of the benefit to the community as a whole. Especially for vaccines which work in a pandemic!
Led by a lawyer who says Israel has the right to cut off the electricity and water to millions of Palestinian civilians, the Labour party has removed its 2019 manifesto from its website. You can't even get that document now by typing "Labour party manifesto 2019" and asking the advertising company Google to help you out, so journalists with short attention spans will be at a loss.
Respect to anyone inside or outside the Labour party who is ready to admit that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn were RIGHT in 2019 when they promised
* to suspend the sale of weapons to Israel used in violation of the human rights of Palestinian civilians; * to reform the "international rules-based order" to secure justice and accountability for breaches of human rights and international law, such as the blockade of Gaza * to recognise immediately the state of Palestine.
This is of course very verbose, but what it means is
1. stop arming Israel 2. issue warrants for the arrest of Israeli war criminals 3. recognise Palestine
- policies that in 2024 pretty much anyone who opposes crimes against humanity realises the urgency of implementing. And what does Labour under Sir Genocide Keir do? It tries to hide the fact that before he took it over the party had these policies. If Labour under Corbyn had been elected, this is the mandate that the British government would have had. Now look at the creeps in office led by Sunak and Cameron.
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
I had two Oxford ones (never had any more after that) and no side effects. Got my first and only bout of Covid last year - didn't love it but not too bad. There's no way to tell if the vaccine helped or not.
Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Mrs DA had the AZ as her first vaccine, was horrendously ill with it (like isam reckoned herself to be a 'goner') and has had impaired hearing ever since. This is a thing apparently.
She then had a few of rounds of Moderna which neither made her ill nor prevented her from getting Covid.
The vaccines were a net benefit but pretending they were completely safe from day one was, and is, complete bullshit.
Who ever said they were harmless ? Very few medicines are; common painkillers kill thousands of people worldwide every year.
I distinctly recall lengthy discussions of risk/benefit analysis of the vaccines as they were being developed and rolled out.
Liz Churchill @liz_churchill10 · 1m “Chris Cuomo came out and said he's got a vaccine injury. That guy was pushing that shit on TV forever...people who say they were injured by the ‘Covid Vaccines’ believe their cases have been ignored. Well they have. They’ve been ignored…” -Joe Roga
There was too much groupthink during the Covid 19 crisis, particularly with regard to lockdowns and closing schools imo. I don't agree with criticisms of the vaccines though.
They were rushed and risky , we still don't know full story on them. Some people made lots of money though and who knows if not having them would have been worse. The guinea pigs experimented on will find out over time, these medical disasters often take 20 years to be completely flushed out. For sure there were side effects for lots of people, whether that was worse than getting the covid we will never know.
It’s estimated over 6 million people lived who would otherwise have died of Covid worldwide as a result of receiving the AZ vaccine. Unlike the two mRNA vaccines it was provided at cost price to developing countries.
How long after having the AZ jab before you are in the clear blood clot wise? I had a terrible reaction to mine, literally thought I was a goner that night.
That was likely just your immune response - I had something similar with the first jab. Felt like a bad case of flu for about 24hrs.
If it didn't do you any further harm, you're fine. Unless you had it a couple of days ago.
BREAKING: AstraZeneca is withdrawing its Covid jab WORLDWIDE. It's not safe enough now for anyone because of TTS side effects connected to over 80 deaths in the UK alone. Let's be honest, this vaccine was NEVER safe and effective. We were lied to. Where is the MSM?
Can you name these 80 people please, and tell me what it says they died of, and how old they were? And how long after the vaccine they died?
I mean, we can link anything to anything given enough time.
What a bellend , they have not used for ages due to known problems, it has now been totally removed , go ask teh NHS for the names and addresses. What a pathetic comeback.
There are no drugs, including vaccines, without side effects or other problems. That doesn’t say they shouldn’t be used; it’s a question of the benefit to the community as a whole. Especially for vaccines which work in a pandemic!
Have a good morning everyone!
Morning OKC, totally agree. These idiots that think teh vaccines were wonderful and 100% OK are barking. You only need to read the leaflets that come with paracetamol to know none of them are ever totally safe.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
I really, really doubt that it 'killed more than it saved'. Evidence, please.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
Show me evidence it did not , we hav ethe number 80 killed by it, prove it saved more than 80 people who would likely have had mild symptoms if they go Covid , oh I remember it did not actually stop you getting Covid. You really really doubting is less factual than my post as I at least have seen that there were 80 killed by it, you on the other hand hav eNO evidence that ONE person was saved by it.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
Who the hell would want to be in charge of IT security anywhere, let alone somewhere full of state secrets, for anything near £50k, unless that’s the monthly salary? They can earn £500-£1k per day as contractors, and won’t generally find their name in the papers when something goes wrong.
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
I work in a public sector role with a similar wage differential. The people they recruit generally either have confidence/performance issues or use the role for development purposes.
What you end up with is what I can only describe as a cycle of self-reinforcing dysfunctionality. The organisation don't grasp the problem and keeps making perverse decisions; ie to dismiss all the contractors it relies on to get the work done with great fanfare before contemplating the fact that it consequently has no capacity to do the work. The people it promotes as managers don't have the skills to deal with the situation.
But public sector organisations can't offer the going rate, in part for fear of appearing in a Taxpayers' Alliance hate piece. But also because the total pay pot isn't big enough.That's especially true for senior management and niche technical roles.
So we get the situation we currently have, with gaps throughout the organisation chart and appointments made on a 'better than nobody at all' basis.
People are willing to work for less pay in the public sector- feelgood, conditions and pensions make a difference. But that only goes so far.
Ultimately, staff cost what they cost, cash and intangibles, somewhere in the overlap between the lowest the employee is prepared to accept and the highest the employer is prepared to offer. Except currently that overlap doesn't really exist, whether we're talking TAs, doctors, managers or computer geeks.
With the consequences we see around us. There aren't enough of us not that interested in money to staff the system.
I'm on higher pay than the future head of cyber security at HMT, which means I will hopefully be able to buy a house this year.
Twenty-one years ago I was able to buy a house after only about a year into a civil service technical job. I think the organisation I was employed by have had about sixteen years of pay restraint since then.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
Are you replying to me or the now banned Olly. If you think the AZ vaccine killed more than it saved I have lots of bridges left in the warehouse for you.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
I really, really doubt that it 'killed more than it saved'. Evidence, please.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
Show me evidence it did not , we hav ethe number 80 killed by it, prove it saved more than 80 people who would likely have had mild symptoms if they go Covid , oh I remember it did not actually stop you getting Covid. You really really doubting is less factual than my post as I at least have seen that there were 80 killed by it, you on the other hand hav eNO evidence that ONE person was saved by it.
We have the number of 80 deaths associated with the vaccine - which you accept as proven without actually seeing the evidence. Most of those will not have definitive causative proof, but we accept the vaccine as a likely cause.
The were detected in the same way as the efficacy of the vaccine was assessed - by looking at expected and actual death statistics, and noticing significant differences.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
I really, really doubt that it 'killed more than it saved'. Evidence, please.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
Show me evidence it did not , we hav ethe number 80 killed by it, prove it saved more than 80 people who would likely have had mild symptoms if they go Covid , oh I remember it did not actually stop you getting Covid. You really really doubting is less factual than my post as I at least have seen that there were 80 killed by it, you on the other hand hav eNO evidence that ONE person was saved by it.
We have the number of 80 deaths associated with the vaccine - which you accept as proven without actually seeing the evidence. Most of those will not have definitive causative proof, but we accept the vaccine as a likely cause.
The were detected in the same way as the efficacy of the vaccine was assessed - by looking at expected and actual death statistics, and noticing significant differences.
Most if the lives saved were in the first year the vaccine was given.
It's easy to tell stories (true or not) of people being killed or injured by the vaccine and think that the vaccine is dangerous; it is much harder to say: "You had the vaccine and got Covid, and felt like sh*t for a week. But if you had not had it, you would have died." Because you cannot go back in time with that person and repeat the experiment.
Therefore it has to be done with statistics. The rare person who was adversely affected by the vaccine is a real person; the statistics are not. Also, "someone dies!" is a much more compelling story than: "Millions lived!"
But I fear the antivax movement as a whole is going to be energised by this, to the detriment of all of us.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the skills/quality of people in senior civil service posts.
It's actually even worse than that: it's £50-57k. That £57k is the top of the range number.
Who the hell would want to be in charge of IT security anywhere, let alone somewhere full of state secrets, for anything near £50k, unless that’s the monthly salary? They can earn £500-£1k per day as contractors, and won’t generally find their name in the papers when something goes wrong.
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
I work in a public sector role with a similar wage differential. The people they recruit generally either have confidence/performance issues or use the role for development purposes.
What you end up with is what I can only describe as a cycle of self-reinforcing dysfunctionality. The organisation don't grasp the problem and keeps making perverse decisions; ie to dismiss all the contractors it relies on to get the work done with great fanfare before contemplating the fact that it consequently has no capacity to do the work. The people it promotes as managers don't have the skills to deal with the situation.
But public sector organisations can't offer the going rate, in part for fear of appearing in a Taxpayers' Alliance hate piece. But also because the total pay pot isn't big enough.That's especially true for senior management and niche technical roles.
So we get the situation we currently have, with gaps throughout the organisation chart and appointments made on a 'better than nobody at all' basis.
People are willing to work for less pay in the public sector- feelgood, conditions and pensions make a difference. But that only goes so far.
Ultimately, staff cost what they cost, cash and intangibles, somewhere in the overlap between the lowest the employee is prepared to accept and the highest the employer is prepared to offer. Except currently that overlap doesn't really exist, whether we're talking TAs, doctors, managers or computer geeks.
With the consequences we see around us. There aren't enough of us not that interested in money to staff the system.
I'm on higher pay than the future head of cyber security at HMT, which means I will hopefully be able to buy a house this year.
Twenty-one years ago I was able to buy a house after only about a year into a civil service technical job. I think the organisation I was employed by have had about sixteen years of pay restraint since then.
And housing is the other side of this. The reason I've been able to afford to teach is that I started buying a house in 2002, and largely locked in the cost of accommodation a few years later.
Breaking news The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide, months after the pharmaceutical giant admitted for the first time in court documents that it can cause a rare and dangerous side effect
It did it’s job though, and saved thousands of lives, and allowed a return to normal life. Not a bad achievement. We have better and safer vaccines for Covid now, so it’s natural to use those.
Lol
What do you find funny about that? Are you just another anti vaxxer prick? Care to talk science?
Well it was crap , killed more than it saved by looks of it so hardly the bollox you posted
I really, really doubt that it 'killed more than it saved'. Evidence, please.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
Show me evidence it did not , we hav ethe number 80 killed by it, prove it saved more than 80 people who would likely have had mild symptoms if they go Covid , oh I remember it did not actually stop you getting Covid. You really really doubting is less factual than my post as I at least have seen that there were 80 killed by it, you on the other hand hav eNO evidence that ONE person was saved by it.
We have the number of 80 deaths associated with the vaccine - which you accept as proven without actually seeing the evidence. Most of those will not have definitive causative proof, but we accept the vaccine as a likely cause.
The were detected in the same way as the efficacy of the vaccine was assessed - by looking at expected and actual death statistics, and noticing significant differences.
Most if the lives saved were in the first year the vaccine was given.
It's easy to tell stories (true or not) of people being killed or injured by the vaccine and think that the vaccine is dangerous; it is much harder to say: "You had the vaccine and got Covid, and felt like sh*t for a week. But if you had not had it, you would have died." Because you cannot go back in time with that person and repeat the experiment.
Therefore it has to be done with statistics. The rare person who was adversely affected by the vaccine is a real person; the statistics are not. Also, "someone dies!" is a much more compelling story than: "Millions lived!"
But I fear the antivax movement as a whole is going to be energised by this, to the detriment of all of us.
It is even worse for vaccines like MMR which prevent you passing on the disease.
For those the really selfish can both refuse to take them but also benefit from those that do.
At least with Covid you got it either way*, so your choice affected only you.
*Yes, I know there was some neutralising effect, but is there anyone left who hasn't had the disease now?
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Is the rare effect clotting? I know it's been called 'the clot shot' by some?
Robot dogs with lasers
Robot dogs with flamethrowers
https://x.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1782839809716941285#m
The most I’ve had from any of the jabs was a sore top of the arm so feel quite lucky there . I was in France then and ironically was too young to have the AZ ! They would only give me Pfizer as I was under 55.
JG Ballard loathed London according to John Gray and Will Self. Interesting.
At 25 mins 50 secs.
https://www.watershed.co.uk/audio-video/john-gray-and-will-self-jg-ballard
She then had a few of rounds of Moderna which neither made her ill nor prevented her from getting Covid.
The vaccines were a net benefit but pretending they were completely safe from day one was, and is, complete bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=x1bX3F7uTrg
As I recall -- it's been a while since I read the book -- it worked if you had nearby computers that were attached to the Internet.
Doesn't seem impossible, but I am not an expert on such things (and probably couldn't tell you, if I were).
But, generally, yes if you wanted to travel between countries during the pandemic you needed to be vaccinated.
The way that so many of the loudest voices seems to now just carry on like COVID never happened and / or they had nothing really to say about it. When day in day out, if the government wasn't promising lockdown by sundown they were killing grannies.
No one Ellsberg said they were safe.
The side effect profile was tested and disclosed. It was a risk reward profile suggested it was sensible on both an individual and societal level to use the products
But Macron got all political about it because Sanofi Pasteur’s efforts were a complete bust
It takes a very specific kind of person to actually enjoy getting into lycra. Same with wetsuits. But they serve a purpose.
(I don't wear lycra when cycling normally either. But if doing a triathlon, a trisuit is a too for the job - and I need to wear it occasionally just to get used to it...
They applied the expensive films, then about six months later moved out of the building...
It's not exactly In Our Time...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pd0yep27o
Does HMT also employ heads of legal and heads of accounting on remotely similar salaries?
I was getting a bit frustrated with the opening episodes of Clarkson's Farm, for example. I really wanted to know more about when you would want to plant rape, why some fields on the east of the farm are better for wheat. But then I grew up in a classroom full of farmers, so already know more about it than 95% of people (and I know very little).
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1496865471995523080
This caught my eye:
"Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US."
I think it's simpler: the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a simple case of wrong and right; evil and good. Unlike (say) Israel/Palestine, the morality is easy for anyone who does not have a agenda to see. If you believe in democracy, self-determination, and what is right, then we should be firmly on Ukraine's side.
Russia is in the wrong. There are no excuses for the evil it is committing.
Anyone supporting, or excusing, Russia's actions are not only wrong; they are like Germans excusing or ignoring the existence of concentration camps in WW2.
I've no problem with the show existing; no problem with its popularity. I do have a problem with people lauding it as being truthful or insightful. It's solely entertainment.
Strangely no-one seems to be calling it the Oxford vaccine any more.
What you end up with is what I can only describe as a cycle of self-reinforcing dysfunctionality. The organisation don't grasp the problem and keeps making perverse decisions; ie to dismiss all the contractors it relies on to get the work done with great fanfare before contemplating the fact that it consequently has no capacity to do the work. The people it promotes as managers don't have the skills to deal with the situation.
I remember another volunteer who always had side-effects. He seldom lasted more than an hour before going home with a headache. Fortunately, half the time, he was on the placebo.
Side effects can be genuine, but that's why we have double-blind dosing.
That he is so popular, as with Jon Stewart before him, is a serious indictment of the more ‘serious’ news though, especially in the US, and their determination to push certain agendas and ignore certain stories or people. All done seven minutes at a time, in between messages from Pfizer, Coca-Cola, Monsanto, and Raytheon.
Some people take what he - and his guests - say as insightful. From the shows I've seen, they're not.
And are you saying that Rogan himself isn't trying to push certain agendas or does not ignore certain stories?
Edit: as an example, let's see if he has EverydayAstronaut on:
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1785366621067804994
So we get the situation we currently have, with gaps throughout the organisation chart and appointments made on a 'better than nobody at all' basis.
People are willing to work for less pay in the public sector- feelgood, conditions and pensions make a difference. But that only goes so far.
Ultimately, staff cost what they cost, cash and intangibles, somewhere in the overlap between the lowest the employee is prepared to accept and the highest the employer is prepared to offer. Except currently that overlap doesn't really exist, whether we're talking TAs, doctors, managers or computer geeks.
With the consequences we see around us. There aren't enough of us not that interested in money to staff the system.
And this is important, as b/s like that is being used by antivaxxers to dissuade people from having things like the MMR jab. And enough people not getting these routine jabs will certainly kill.
Have a good morning everyone!
But it's still available from the Wayback Machine at archive.org, and in any case I have a copy.
Respect to anyone inside or outside the Labour party who is ready to admit that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn were RIGHT in 2019 when they promised
* to suspend the sale of weapons to Israel used in violation of the human rights of Palestinian civilians;
* to reform the "international rules-based order" to secure justice and accountability for breaches of human rights and international law, such as the blockade of Gaza
* to recognise immediately the state of Palestine.
This is of course very verbose, but what it means is
1. stop arming Israel
2. issue warrants for the arrest of Israeli war criminals
3. recognise Palestine
- policies that in 2024 pretty much anyone who opposes crimes against humanity realises the urgency of implementing. And what does Labour under Sir Genocide Keir do? It tries to hide the fact that before he took it over the party had these policies. If Labour under Corbyn had been elected, this is the mandate that the British government would have had. Now look at the creeps in office led by Sunak and Cameron.
Very few medicines are; common painkillers kill thousands of people worldwide every year.
I distinctly recall lengthy discussions of risk/benefit analysis of the vaccines as they were being developed and rolled out.
Which you were around for.
I perceive you're a troll.
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The counter factual is a lot more dead people.
If it didn't do you any further harm, you're fine.
Unless you had it a couple of days ago.
Twenty-one years ago I was able to buy a house after only about a year into a civil service technical job. I think the organisation I was employed by have had about sixteen years of pay restraint since then.
The were detected in the same way as the efficacy of the vaccine was assessed - by looking at expected and actual death statistics, and noticing significant differences.
Here's a study by ICL assessing vaccine efficacy.
Global impact of the first year of COVID-19 vaccination: a mathematical modelling study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext
Most if the lives saved were in the first year the vaccine was given.
Therefore it has to be done with statistics. The rare person who was adversely affected by the vaccine is a real person; the statistics are not. Also, "someone dies!" is a much more compelling story than: "Millions lived!"
But I fear the antivax movement as a whole is going to be energised by this, to the detriment of all of us.
Flip knows how younger teachers manage.
For those the really selfish can both refuse to take them but also benefit from those that do.
At least with Covid you got it either way*, so your choice affected only you.
*Yes, I know there was some neutralising effect, but is there anyone left who hasn't had the disease now?