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@LadPolitics
How many seats (vs post 2019 GE total) will the Conservatives lose at the next General Election?

No losses - 100/1
1-50 - 33/1
51-100 - 16/1
101-150 - 13/2
151-200 - 5/2
201 or more - 1/2

Scott_xP said:

@LadPolitics
How many seats (vs post 2019 GE total) will the Conservatives lose at the next General Election?

No losses - 100/1
1-50 - 33/1
51-100 - 16/1
101-150 - 13/2
151-200 - 5/2
201 or more - 1/2

101-150 looks tempting there.

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Scott_xP said:

@LadPolitics
How many seats (vs post 2019 GE total) will the Conservatives lose at the next General Election?

No losses - 100/1
1-50 - 33/1
51-100 - 16/1
101-150 - 13/2
151-200 - 5/2
201 or more - 1/2

Playing around on Electoral Calculus, I can get Tory losses below 200, if the vote tightens to 41-31.

That's Labour near the bottom of their current range, and Tories at the top, plus four from Reform.

Is that so unlikely?

I think people have overreacted to make 201+ losses 1/2. It should be the favourite, but I think there's value in the other bands.

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

This isn't great publicity for the UK.

"Why Britain’s towns and cities are going bust"

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/05/world/birmingham-uk-bankruptcy-intl-cnnphotos/

Scott_xP said:

@LadPolitics
How many seats (vs post 2019 GE total) will the Conservatives lose at the next General Election?

No losses - 100/1
1-50 - 33/1
51-100 - 16/1
101-150 - 13/2
151-200 - 5/2
201 or more - 1/2

Boring. A much more enjoyable and profitable proxy is going to be a series of Portillo moment markets on individual cabinet ministers if anyone puts them up.

Andy_JS said:

This isn't great publicity for the UK.

"Why Britain’s towns and cities are going bust"

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/05/world/birmingham-uk-bankruptcy-intl-cnnphotos/

No. But it happens in the US too.

Detroit went bust about 10 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_bankruptcy

Not sure Birmingham has run up $20bn (yet)...

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

Sean_F said:

Portsmouth South has shifted heavily to the right, relative to pre-2010, if that poll is correct.

Do you think Morgan could be overturned by the Tories.

Who's seen the Operation Vector video? It's like the Sweeney. You're nicked!

Sean_F said:

Portsmouth South has shifted heavily to the right, relative to pre-2010, if that poll is correct.

Not for the first time. It also did so between the 1970s and 80s, with one of the biggest drops in the Labour vote in 1983 from around 40% to 20%, and a further small decline in 1987.

So much for Russia's Black Sea blockade.

⚡️Economy minister: Ukraine reaches pre-war level of exports in April.

Ukraine exported more than 13 million tons of products totaling $3.3 billion in April, which is higher than volumes for February 2022 before the start of the full-scale invasion, Economy Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said on May 1.

Source: Kyiv Independent

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

@ITVNewsPolitics

In a tape leaked to ITV News, Lee Anderson claims Cabinet ministers messaged support after his suspension over inflammatory remarks made about Sadiq Khan

He's also heard saying Mr Khan 'hates this country... our heritage, our culture' |
@AnushkaAsthana

On Topic. There is another element to it. Tying up your opponent up so they are defending, not attacking. Spending their time in their own half defending that could be usually spent attacking. And that is how it ruins parties campaigns as they struggle to get messages across.

It’s not just Tories targeting Rayner, Galloway vowed to take her scalp in the election. Rayner is Labours Miss Battlebus, and opponents want to make her appear to be an untrusted hypocrite and stuck in her constituency during the GE.

In politics and sports, if opponents have an advantage you target it to nullify it. This does work. I think the Tories made 1992 a lot about Kinnock becoming the UK PM, by the end of the campaign, the final big push in a tight contest, the Labour spin doctors hid Kinnock in a potting shed.

The table in the header probably doesn’t measure the whole effectiveness in marking an opponent out the game so they can’t do their business for the team, only final match score when the whistle goes.

Not a shock if for the General Election the Tories ask the police to investigate if and why Starmer let the Saville victims down - that would fill up a lot of front pages and Starmer’s interview time. And the danger of getting into the head of the Labour campaign and into Starmer’s head, so asked about it in umpteenth interview or vox pop of the week, his exasperated angry response will go viral. How many times have we seen stars in football marked out the game get sent off for a frustrated foul their opponents made a meal out of?

wooliedyed said:

George is confident his gal will unseat her. He even suggested she might chicken run.
I think that qualifies as 'bold'

Talking out of his hat.

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

Neither, frankly.

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

If Trump returns this might cease to be a no-brainer.

kinabalu said:

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

I don’t think you can just reheat the BHA. Besides why wouldn’t the Greens extract more from the SNP for a redo? I suspect that the reason neither Swinney nor Forbes have yet dived into the contest is that they can count and they understand the political implications of the sums.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

Neither, frankly.

I don’t agree; you know where you are with Iran! The US, especially if Trump gets back, will be unpredictable.

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

Neither, frankly.

I don’t agree; you know where you are with Iran! The US, especially if Trump gets back, will be unpredictable.

Hopefully, even Trump won't descend to this level of depravity:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68840881

ToryJim said:

kinabalu said:

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

I don’t think you can just reheat the BHA. Besides why wouldn’t the Greens extract more from the SNP for a redo? I suspect that the reason neither Swinney nor Forbes have yet dived into the contest is that they can count and they understand the political implications of the sums.

It's a challenging situation for the SNP. Can they form a stable government and avoid an election?

Carnyx said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

MPs aren't allowed to discuss foreign policy? Revolutionary if true.

I think that’s the sort of thing best left to an unelected lord rather than MPs from the lesser parties worrying their empty little heads about it.

kinabalu said:

ToryJim said:

kinabalu said:

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

I don’t think you can just reheat the BHA. Besides why wouldn’t the Greens extract more from the SNP for a redo? I suspect that the reason neither Swinney nor Forbes have yet dived into the contest is that they can count and they understand the political implications of the sums.

It's a challenging situation for the SNP. Can they form a stable government and avoid an election?

Same can be said for *any* party in Holyrood. The electoral system is deliberately set up for that reason, to force coalition or at least c&s. in almost all realistic circs.

Theuniondivvie said:

Carnyx said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

MPs aren't allowed to discuss foreign policy? Revolutionary if true.

I think that’s the sort of thing best left to an unelected lord rather than MPs from the lesser parties worrying their empty little heads about it.

You mean, unless they are DUP in which case they are allowed to control foreign policy.

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

Ooh, let me guess. You have haemorrhoids, green antique wallpaper in the bedroom, and hair unaccountably falling out?

Carnyx said:

kinabalu said:

Carnyx said:

kinabalu said:

ToryJim said:

kinabalu said:

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

I don’t think you can just reheat the BHA. Besides why wouldn’t the Greens extract more from the SNP for a redo? I suspect that the reason neither Swinney nor Forbes have yet dived into the contest is that they can count and they understand the political implications of the sums.

It's a challenging situation for the SNP. Can they form a stable government and avoid an election?

Same can be said for *any* party in Holyrood. The electoral system is deliberately set up for that reason, to force coalition or at least c&s. in almost all realistic circs.

So in that context 63 is a landslide majority. But there's not much goodwill around after recent events.

Sure, but given the difficulty of achieving a majority, can anyone else do the job short of an election?

Well no. It's SNP or election, isn't it. But what sort of SNP and what sort of government?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

Neither, frankly.

Oh come on Sunil. Don't come over all "they're all as bad as each other" because that just isn't true. The Iranian regime is one of the most evil on earth.
And even (nod to kinabalu) if Trump were to win, America would remain a democracy. Criticism of the regime would be possible. Women wouldn't be beaten to death for immodesty. It would still be nowhere near Iran on the scale of awful.

Carnyx said:

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

Ooh, let me guess. You have haemorrhoids, green antique wallpaper in the bedroom, and hair unaccountably falling out?

I knew you’d mock. You’re a born skeptic and an atheist. But if you open your mind and think about it - then you can see how it makes sense

Like Napoleon I am extremely gifted and rizz we know all that blah blah I don’t need to rehash it. But I am also a new kind of human being, a sort of
“universal man”. I am aware this sounds really self regarding and I don’t want to do that - but I don’t know how else to put it

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Sundays used to be like that. And were universally derided as rubbish (see "Every day is like Sunday").

ToryJim said:

kinabalu said:

malcolmg said:

Carnyx said:

Scott_xP said:

@bbclaurak

SNP survives no confidence vote, so avoid crashing into an election campaign, for now... over to the party to choose it's next leader

70-58. No abstentions ...

So SNP voted with the Greens

So the new leader just needs a pact with the Greens then. Is there a template for that?

I don’t think you can just reheat the BHA. Besides why wouldn’t the Greens extract more from the SNP for a redo? I suspect that the reason neither Swinney nor Forbes have yet dived into the contest is that they can count and they understand the political implications of the sums.

SNP need the Greens. No other party can likely provide the support they need and if they go into an election it will almost certainly make the numbers more difficult for them again.

For their part, the Greens have significant buying power they are unlikely to retain if they force an election.

That's the basis of a deal. I suspect that deal will look significantly similar to the BHA because the sums essentially dictate it.

Really feels to me like Yousless has created a monster for the SNP here.

If he wanted out he should have given his members a vote like the Greens were going to. If they parted ways amicably you get the feeling he might -might- have been able to cling on, issue by issue.

As it is this whole episode feels to me as having emboldened the Greens even further.

ToryJim said:

OT - MTG is going after the Speaker of the House.

https://us.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-mike-johnson-vacate/index.html

I suspect it has no chance of success but probably slightly beneficial to the Dems to have Mental Margie going loco all over the airwaves.

Even the Dems have said they won't participate in this ousting attempt, but you're right, it can hardly hurt them to have MTG raving about how her colleagues are uniparty traitors.

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Somehow in Britain we manage to have a public holiday without shuttering every business in the country so the holiday becomes a miserable hunt for the one place which is still open, which is then horribly overcrowded, stressing out the staff and the customers. Idiots

If I could come back as Napoleon (spoiler: I have) I’d fix this first, and pronto

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

Have you ever felt the urge to conquer mainland Europe? If so, you might be on to something.

williamglenn said:

The writing style of Napoleon XIV looks familiar:

You thought it was a joke, and so you LAUGHED, YOU LAUGHED! When I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, RIGHT?

You know you laughed. I HEARD you laugh, you laughed.

And laughed and laughed!

The b-side of that song is often considered the most unlistenable song ever recorded. It's basically just the a side backwards.
https://youtu.be/yPj47ip5cRo?si=3At8QmjpKtoHv01V
Back in the era of juke boxes it could empty a cafe or pub in minutes.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

Have you ever felt the urge to conquer mainland Europe? If so, you might be on to something.

I was born on the same day as Napoleon. Is that simply coincidence? Or something more than that? You decide. It’s your call

But when you add that in, then it all looks a lot more ambiguous doesn’t it?

There will always be nay sayers that I can never convince. I pay them no heed

Cookie said:

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Sundays used to be like that. And were universally derided as rubbish (see "Every day is like Sunday").

You’ve obviously never worked in a retail establishment.

Leon said:

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Somehow in Britain we manage to have a public holiday without shuttering every business in the country so the holiday becomes a miserable hunt for the one place which is still open, which is then horribly overcrowded, stressing out the staff and the customers. Idiots

If I could come back as Napoleon (spoiler: I have) I’d fix this first, and pronto

Selfish …….. d!

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

An egocentric short arse?

Apparently old Naps was above average height for his time - the short-arse stuff being a kind of urban legend that came later.

Actually not true, as Zamoyski makes clear. Napoleon might have been average height for his time - in the wider world, and amongst the peasantry. But in the French and European aristocracy (the mileu in which he moved) he was notably short. Contemporaries remarked upon it

And I should know. The inherited trauma stings even now. Epigenetics

Come on, Stumpy, just buy some Cuban heels and get back to your day job

Stark_Dawning said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

An egocentric short arse?

Apparently old Naps was above average height for his time - the short-arse stuff being a kind of urban legend that came later.

Yes so I gather. An attempt by his detractors to cut him down to size?

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Heck, even when they wanted to ban Christmas they added in provision for leisure time.

Forasmuch as the Feasts of the Nativity of Christ, Easter and Whitsuntide, and other Festivals commonly called Holy-Dayes, have been heretofore superstitiously used and observed Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Feast of the Nativity of Christ, Easter and Whitsuntide, and all other Festival dayes, commonly called Holy-dayes, be no longer observed as Festivals or Holy-dayes within this Kingdome of England and Dominion of Wales, any Law, Statute, Custome, Constitution, or Cannon to the contrary in any wise notwithstanding: And to the end that there may be a convenient time allotted to Scholars, Apprentices, and other Servants for their Recreation: Be it Ordained by the authority aforesaid, That all Scholars, Apprentices, and other Servants shall, with the leave and approbation of their Masters respectively first had and obtained, have such convenient reasonable Recreation and Relaxation from their constant and ordinary Labours on every second Tuesday in the moneth throughout the year, as formerly they have used to have on such aforesaid Festivals, commonly called Holy-dayes. And that Masters of all Scholars, Apprentices, and Servants, shall grant unto them respectively such time for their Recreations on the aforesaid second Tuesdaies in every moneth, as they may conveniently spare from their extraordinary and necessary Services and Occasions. And it is further Ordained by the said Lords and Commons, That if any difference shall arise between any Master and Servant concerning the Liberty hereby granted, the next Justice of the Peace shall have power to hear and determine the same.

Andy_JS said:

"Sadiq Khan
@SadiqKhan

🚨 Susan Hall is the most dangerous candidate I've ever faced.

Before you give her an X, read her X.

A thread:
She supports hard-right politicians, and holds extreme, deeply concerning views.
She's a climate change denier and doesn't consider herself a feminist."

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1785656529749790935

Oh come on Sadiq, it didn't work when your opponents tried to paint you as a dangerous extremist, it won't work the other way round either.

Even if its all true, how 'dangerous' can a London Mayor be?

kle4 said:

Andy_JS said:

"Sadiq Khan
@SadiqKhan

🚨 Susan Hall is the most dangerous candidate I've ever faced.

Before you give her an X, read her X.

A thread:
She supports hard-right politicians, and holds extreme, deeply concerning views.
She's a climate change denier and doesn't consider herself a feminist."

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1785656529749790935

Oh come on Sadiq, it didn't work when your opponents tried to paint you as a dangerous extremist, it won't work the other way round either.

Even if its all true, how 'dangerous' can a London Mayor be?

Look what happened with the last one. Though perhaps in a somewhat different sense.

DavidL said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Taz said:

SandyRentool said:

[Patrick Harvie] says Humza Yousaf spoke out for the victims of Gaza in a way "that no other national leader I can think of was able to do".

Scottish Greens. Not bothered about the environment.

Same with the Greens in the rest of the UK. The Green MP at PMQ's question was about Gaza. A matter of the utmost concern, obviously.

Well, the IDF have fucked up the environment in Gaza.

Hamas are funded by Iranian Oil.

America funds the IDF.

And who would you rather trust - America or Iran?

Neither, frankly.

Oh come on Sunil. Don't come over all "they're all as bad as each other" because that just isn't true. The Iranian regime is one of the most evil on earth.
And even (nod to kinabalu) if Trump were to win, America would remain a democracy. Criticism of the regime would be possible. Women wouldn't be beaten to death for immodesty. It would still be nowhere near Iran on the scale of awful.

Women would, however, die on illegal operating tables with messed up abortions.

With the Supreme Court effectively packed for a decade or more, unfortunately that will not be changing any time soon.

kle4 said:

Andy_JS said:

"Sadiq Khan
@SadiqKhan

🚨 Susan Hall is the most dangerous candidate I've ever faced.

Before you give her an X, read her X.

A thread:
She supports hard-right politicians, and holds extreme, deeply concerning views.
She's a climate change denier and doesn't consider herself a feminist."

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1785656529749790935

Oh come on Sadiq, it didn't work when your opponents tried to paint you as a dangerous extremist, it won't work the other way round either.

Even if its all true, how 'dangerous' can a London Mayor be?

Two words.

Boris Johnson.

numbertwelve said:

kle4 said:

Andy_JS said:

"Sadiq Khan
@SadiqKhan

🚨 Susan Hall is the most dangerous candidate I've ever faced.

Before you give her an X, read her X.

A thread:
She supports hard-right politicians, and holds extreme, deeply concerning views.
She's a climate change denier and doesn't consider herself a feminist."

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1785656529749790935

Oh come on Sadiq, it didn't work when your opponents tried to paint you as a dangerous extremist, it won't work the other way round either.

Even if its all true, how 'dangerous' can a London Mayor be?

Two words.

Boris Johnson.

He wasn't dangerous whilst Mayor.

Indeed, that's one reason it was a good role for him - of course you can still mess up, but its more limited.

Leon said:

NickPalmer said:

Leon said:

Fucking May Day. So every business in France shuts and no one has any where to go on the one day everyone is on holiday. How fucking stupid is that. The French are twats

You think it unusual that people in businesses don't work on a public holiday? What (and who) do you think public holidays are for?

Somehow in Britain we manage to have a public holiday without shuttering every business in the country so the holiday becomes a miserable hunt for the one place which is still open, which is then horribly overcrowded, stressing out the staff and the customers. Idiots

Apart from Christmas Day. You are not allowed to enjoy yourself on Christmas Day