Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot that it do singe yourself – politicalbetting.com

12346»

Comments

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461
    Cicero said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The £6bn tunnel that could link Europe to Africa by 2030
    After 100 years, a rail crossing between Spain and Morocco could finally come to fruition"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/underwater-tunnel-link-spain-to-morocco-by-2030/

    Not only will that never happen (the business case won't stack up and the politics would never allow it, it would be a huge conduit for migration into Europe) but they'd struggle to even approve and finance it by 2030 even if they wanted to, yet alone build it.

    It would take at least 8 years to build and commission, and probably more like 10.
    Meanwhile,in China such a tunnel could be designed and built within 3-4 years. Africa is going to be the fastest growing economic region over the next generation...
    Your second sentence might or might not be true. But as for:

    "Meanwhile,in China such a tunnel could be designed and built within 3-4 years."

    I really, really doubt it - if you're talking about an equivalent tunnel. It is a major engineering challenge, both in terms of length and depth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Gibraltar_crossing
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,468
    edited May 2
    Andy_JS said:

    Savanta:

    Khan 42%
    Hall 32%

    "London mayoral election race electrified by final poll showing Sadiq Khan lead over Susan Hall smallest so far
    Exclusive: Savanta survey for Centre for London put Labour mayor on 42 per cent and Tory candidate 32 per cent"

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-mayoral-election-race-latest-poll-sadiq-khan-susan-hall-b1154884.html

    “electrified” is perhaps not the word I’d’ve chosen for a poll showing the same result as all the other polls of an easy Khan win.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Andy_JS said:

    Tres said:

    Andy_JS said:

    CatMan said:

    Is their a website somewhere with a list of when we can expect the results? I'm assuming the London Mayor one will be massively delayed as it always is and won't announce until Saturday.

    This is the Press Association page, but they haven't updated it like they said they would, by the end of April.

    https://election.pressassociation.com/declaration-times/
    They are not even going to start counting the London results until 9am on Saturday.
    Previously, the London count used scanning machines, but with the switch to FPTP, they're switching the counting to by hand, the old fashioned way. AIUI.

    This doesn't explain the Saturday counting. Just thought I'd mention it.
    I remember the first time London used scanning machines in about 2004. It was a total fiasco, with the results taking much longer than they did previously with hand-counting.
    Scotch Experts will remember the automatic not-counting-all-the-ballots machines in 2007 :smile:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Scottish_Parliament_election

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Cicero said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The £6bn tunnel that could link Europe to Africa by 2030
    After 100 years, a rail crossing between Spain and Morocco could finally come to fruition"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/underwater-tunnel-link-spain-to-morocco-by-2030/

    Not only will that never happen (the business case won't stack up and the politics would never allow it, it would be a huge conduit for migration into Europe) but they'd struggle to even approve and finance it by 2030 even if they wanted to, yet alone build it.

    It would take at least 8 years to build and commission, and probably more like 10.
    Meanwhile,in China such a tunnel could be designed and built within 3-4 years. Africa is going to be the fastest growing economic region over the next generation...
    Yes, I hear that a lot, but people never add why or how China do it in 3-4 years.

    If you don't care about planning consent, democracy, ecology, the environment, health and safety, worker rights, fair procurements and payments, or legally practice you can certainly cut a lot of corners, but would we want to?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

    Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

    This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

    Have you ever felt the urge to conquer mainland Europe? If so, you might be on to something.
    I was born on the same day as Napoleon. Is that simply coincidence? Or something more than that? You decide. It’s your call

    But when you add that in, then it all looks a lot more ambiguous doesn’t it?

    There will always be nay sayers that I can never convince. I pay them no heed
    My son was born on the same day as Napoleon's death, 177 years later, and - unlike you - is directly descended from him. And he doesn't talk batshit nonsense either.

    You can fight it out with him, if you want.
    Considering the little turd was responsible for tens of thousands of untimely deaths due to his insatiable lust for personal aggrandisement (Napoleon, not your son), I fail to see what there is to be particularly proud of.
    If it was long enough ago killing lots of people becomes a point of pride.
    I think with napoleon the question is, would the alternative have been any better?

    By modern standards he's a dictator and a fascist, by the standards of the time he was a reformist and a radical.
    The British like to think of themselves as always fighting for liberty against fascists and dictators.

    This does not survive even a moment's scrutiny.

    Let's take Nelson. When the Neapolitans rose up against the Bourbon Kings, inspired by Napoleon, and declared the Parthenopean Republic, it was Nelson who helped quash the rebellion - brutally. Indeed, he boasted about putting it down as savagely as the Irish rebels had been put down in the Wolfe Tone-led rebellion just beforehand. The British were allying themselves with Bourbon monarchs - who were some of the most useless monarchs around.

    Like everyone the British fought for their own self interest. Since the goal of British foreign policy was generally to prevent the emergence of a dominant power in continental Europe, this often involved us fighting powerful bullies like Napoleon. But since the British also ran the largest empire in the world, an inherently coercive exercise, the idea that we only fought for liberty doesn't survive even a moment's scrutiny.
    Essentially true, but we did sometimes do so and ours was virtually the only Empire with a form of parliamentary accountability and such issues were at least debated.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

    Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

    This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

    Have you ever felt the urge to conquer mainland Europe? If so, you might be on to something.
    I was born on the same day as Napoleon. Is that simply coincidence? Or something more than that? You decide. It’s your call

    But when you add that in, then it all looks a lot more ambiguous doesn’t it?

    There will always be nay sayers that I can never convince. I pay them no heed
    My son was born on the same day as Napoleon's death, 177 years later, and - unlike you - is directly descended from him. And he doesn't talk batshit nonsense either.

    You can fight it out with him, if you want.
    Considering the little turd was responsible for tens of thousands of untimely deaths due to his insatiable lust for personal aggrandisement (Napoleon, not your son), I fail to see what there is to be particularly proud of.
    If it was long enough ago killing lots of people becomes a point of pride.
    I think with napoleon the question is, would the alternative have been any better?

    By modern standards he's a dictator and a fascist, by the standards of the time he was a reformist and a radical.
    The British like to think of themselves as always fighting for liberty against fascists and dictators.

    This does not survive even a moment's scrutiny.

    Let's take Nelson. When the Neapolitans rose up against the Bourbon Kings, inspired by Napoleon, and declared the Parthenopean Republic, it was Nelson who helped quash the rebellion - brutally. Indeed, he boasted about putting it down as savagely as the Irish rebels had been put down in the Wolfe Tone-led rebellion just beforehand. The British were allying themselves with Bourbon monarchs - who were some of the most useless monarchs around.

    Like everyone the British fought for their own self interest. Since the goal of British foreign policy was generally to prevent the emergence of a dominant power in continental Europe, this often involved us fighting powerful bullies like Napoleon. But since the British also ran the largest empire in the world, an inherently coercive exercise, the idea that we only fought for liberty doesn't survive even a moment's scrutiny.
    Nelson also a supporter of the slave trade. Of course if he'd survived I'm sure he'd have been part of the 'we were the scourges of the slave trade ackshully' rebranding of the UK
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146
    edited May 2
    Hope @dieworkwear breaks down this look. As one of the replies says Rudy looks like he's wearing Trump’s skin.



    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1785622050649911404
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    nico679 said:

    Absolutely disgraceful and shameful efforts by the Tories in the West Midlands .

    Street deserves to lose for being part of this last minute campaign to discredit his opponent . The Labour candidate already fulfills the criteria to stand regardless of where he lives because of his business interests in the area .

    He’s a carpetbagger?
    The allegation seems to be that he is an unlawful carpetbagger, which is a very different accusation if true.
    My brother knows Andy Street a little and describes him as ‘a weasel’ and with ‘a very nasty piece of work as partner’.

    And, noooooo, that’s doesn’t mean my bro’ is being homophobic. He’s gay.
    I've had a good laugh reading your posts on here tonight. It's the only way one can now interpret them. And they're truly hilarious.

    More please.
    This place works best when views are aired, considered, and politely rebutted if it’s felt right to.

    Conversely it is at its worst when there is mere vilification, which reflects badly on someone like you. It’s okay not to share my views but it’s not okay to vilify them, especially with casual sexism frequently thrown in. And as you know full well, I embrace ‘people of colour’ in this country. It’s what I love about this nation. It’s the likes of Sunak, Badenoch, Braverman who are showing downright nasty policies that are excluding minorities and those from other countries less fortunate than their privileged selves.

    I do think some on the right on this forum are becoming more fanciful in their views and less in touch with the public mood. The litmus test of that might may not be today (because they’re locals) but it’s coming.

    A year ago on here I was frequently ridiculed for suggesting an outright Labour majority was almost nailed on. Now it’s the de facto position of just about everyone here.

  • megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I had a gruelling evening yesterday. I'd decided to do a big walk. I stopped after 36km in quite a big town to try to find a room about 10km on

    I found one 12km away and booked, but got no confirmation. I'd run out of supplies (beer) and went to three supermarkets. They were all closed and not opening until 5pm, I got to the third one at 4:30

    I had to press on without beer, not knowing if I had a room booked. I'd walked about 2km more when I got a message from the host asking me to be there before 8pm

    I replied no problem, thinking I'd be there by 7. Five minutes later I was officially diverted. They were doing major works on the canal I'd been walking by. I followed the diversion, and it seemed to be an extra km or two on the route. No problem

    Then I lost the route.. the signs are set up for people going the right way, not oddballs like me walking to France. But Google maps told me that I was still on a path, heading for a road that would join me back to the official route

    Then the path ended. It carried on on Google, but I'd reached the middle of a side of a vast field with some young crops growing in it. I couldn't follow the Google path, straight through the field, but I had to carry on, I had to be there by 8

    I ended up having to walk around four fields, and walk through the brambles and climb over the irrigation channels between them. I eventually got back to the road, still with 10km to go, and two and a half hours until eight

    I knew I could do it, but I was damned thirsty and still had a hill to climb. I got over the 100m hill and thought I was basically done; 5km to go and an hour and a half to get there

    Then the heavens opened, quite violently, and the wind got strong. I had my little umbrella up but couldn't stop the rain from hammering ìnto the back of my legs

    Nor could I do anything about the dirty, huge splash from the rain covering my jeans from the knee down in filth

    I arrived at the hostel with half an hour to spare. The host was shocked to see me; he was sure I'd have given up. But my room was available, he gave me perfect dinner (chicken soup, then lentil and chorizo stew), and did my washing, all for 40€

    Fantastic. You have a gift for vivid self-reportage!
    "Then the path ended. It carried on on Google, but I'd reached the middle of a side of a vast field with some young crops growing in it. I couldn't follow the Google path, straight through the field, but I had to carry on, I had to be there by 8"

    That's an interesting comparator.

    Does the landowner have a duty exist to maintain PROWs across fields in France?
    It's on Google maps -> it's a PROW is a bold leap
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Polls are open. I shall wander down there via the bakery soonishly.
    Meanwhile the Rozzers are moving in on the students at UCLA
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Heathener said:

    dixiedean said:

    My take on the locals.
    The Tories will do better than expected.
    And draw all the wrong conclusions.

    Same. 3-6% better on the NEV than the current national opinion polls.

    Why? Because they’re locals.

    One of the wrong conclusions will be about Labour.

    If it hastens the General Election then great but I doubt it will.
    The swing in Blackpool will provide some help with interpretation. The swing but also the increase in Labour share. A swing of under 15% or a vote share gain of less than 5% and momentum may be stalling, especially if combined with worse than expected locals etc
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited May 2
    I’ve voted by post but my Surrey tory friend is wandering down to the polling station a little later with one of her dogs.

    She "will not be voting Conservative," for the first time in her life.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    Tories will be glad this gets somewhat lost in the maelstrom. Crossover incoming.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,468
    edited May 2
    Two SDLP councillors resign from the party in Derry & Strabane: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce7ren7z2zro
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    Hope @dieworkwear breaks down this look. As one of the replies says Rudy looks like he's wearing Trump’s skin.



    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1785622050649911404

    He could come over here and run a Tote on the racetrack.

    Even better, do some tips for RaceTV.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    megasaur said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    I had a gruelling evening yesterday. I'd decided to do a big walk. I stopped after 36km in quite a big town to try to find a room about 10km on

    I found one 12km away and booked, but got no confirmation. I'd run out of supplies (beer) and went to three supermarkets. They were all closed and not opening until 5pm, I got to the third one at 4:30

    I had to press on without beer, not knowing if I had a room booked. I'd walked about 2km more when I got a message from the host asking me to be there before 8pm

    I replied no problem, thinking I'd be there by 7. Five minutes later I was officially diverted. They were doing major works on the canal I'd been walking by. I followed the diversion, and it seemed to be an extra km or two on the route. No problem

    Then I lost the route.. the signs are set up for people going the right way, not oddballs like me walking to France. But Google maps told me that I was still on a path, heading for a road that would join me back to the official route

    Then the path ended. It carried on on Google, but I'd reached the middle of a side of a vast field with some young crops growing in it. I couldn't follow the Google path, straight through the field, but I had to carry on, I had to be there by 8

    I ended up having to walk around four fields, and walk through the brambles and climb over the irrigation channels between them. I eventually got back to the road, still with 10km to go, and two and a half hours until eight

    I knew I could do it, but I was damned thirsty and still had a hill to climb. I got over the 100m hill and thought I was basically done; 5km to go and an hour and a half to get there

    Then the heavens opened, quite violently, and the wind got strong. I had my little umbrella up but couldn't stop the rain from hammering ìnto the back of my legs

    Nor could I do anything about the dirty, huge splash from the rain covering my jeans from the knee down in filth

    I arrived at the hostel with half an hour to spare. The host was shocked to see me; he was sure I'd have given up. But my room was available, he gave me perfect dinner (chicken soup, then lentil and chorizo stew), and did my washing, all for 40€

    Fantastic. You have a gift for vivid self-reportage!
    "Then the path ended. It carried on on Google, but I'd reached the middle of a side of a vast field with some young crops growing in it. I couldn't follow the Google path, straight through the field, but I had to carry on, I had to be there by 8"

    That's an interesting comparator.

    Does the landowner have a duty exist to maintain PROWs across fields in France?
    It's on Google maps -> it's a PROW is a bold leap
    I find Open Streetmap is much better for footpaths
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @nickeardleybbc

    John Swinney set to launch campaign to be next SNP leader and FM of Scotland this morning


    One for our resident Scotchpert there...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    nico679 said:

    Absolutely disgraceful and shameful efforts by the Tories in the West Midlands .

    Street deserves to lose for being part of this last minute campaign to discredit his opponent . The Labour candidate already fulfills the criteria to stand regardless of where he lives because of his business interests in the area .

    He’s a carpetbagger?
    The allegation seems to be that he is an unlawful carpetbagger, which is a very different accusation if true.
    My brother knows Andy Street a little and describes him as ‘a weasel’ and with ‘a very nasty piece of work as partner’.

    And, noooooo, that’s doesn’t mean my bro’ is being homophobic. He’s gay.
    I've had a good laugh reading your posts on here tonight. It's the only way one can now interpret them. And they're truly hilarious.

    More please.
    This place works best when views are aired, considered, and politely rebutted if it’s felt right to.

    Conversely it is at its worst when there is mere vilification, which reflects badly on someone like you. It’s okay not to share my views but it’s not okay to vilify them, especially with casual sexism frequently thrown in. And as you know full well, I embrace ‘people of colour’ in this country. It’s what I love about this nation. It’s the likes of Sunak, Badenoch, Braverman who are showing downright nasty policies that are excluding minorities and those from other countries less fortunate than their privileged selves.

    I do think some on the right on this forum are becoming more fanciful in their views and less in touch with the public mood. The litmus test of that might may not be today (because they’re locals) but it’s coming.

    A year ago on here I was frequently ridiculed for suggesting an outright Labour majority was almost nailed on. Now it’s the de facto position of just about everyone here.

    You're quite happy to throw around accusations like casual sexism on others because it's much easier for you to deal with your critics if you view it through that prism, and you hope it will garner you some sympathy rather than ire. Maybe even turn the focus back on them.

    Of course, it's all nonsense. No-one could care less what sex you are: we just think you're a joke of a poster, who is quite happy to dish it out, sometimes in quite unpleasant terms, but absolutely cannot take it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099

    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    Tories will be glad this gets somewhat lost in the maelstrom. Crossover incoming.
    indeed


  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited May 2
    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    I think that’s hilarious . Two days of so called good Rwanda news for the “ Tory base” has added to the Reform vote .
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    nico679 said:

    Absolutely disgraceful and shameful efforts by the Tories in the West Midlands .

    Street deserves to lose for being part of this last minute campaign to discredit his opponent . The Labour candidate already fulfills the criteria to stand regardless of where he lives because of his business interests in the area .

    He’s a carpetbagger?
    The allegation seems to be that he is an unlawful carpetbagger, which is a very different accusation if true.
    My brother knows Andy Street a little and describes him as ‘a weasel’ and with ‘a very nasty piece of work as partner’.

    And, noooooo, that’s doesn’t mean my bro’ is being homophobic. He’s gay.
    I've had a good laugh reading your posts on here tonight. It's the only way one can now interpret them. And they're truly hilarious.

    More please.
    This place works best when views are aired, considered, and politely rebutted if it’s felt right to.

    Conversely it is at its worst when there is mere vilification, which reflects badly on someone like you. It’s okay not to share my views but it’s not okay to vilify them, especially with casual sexism frequently thrown in. And as you know full well, I embrace ‘people of colour’ in this country. It’s what I love about this nation. It’s the likes of Sunak, Badenoch, Braverman who are showing downright nasty policies that are excluding minorities and those from other countries less fortunate than their privileged selves.

    I do think some on the right on this forum are becoming more fanciful in their views and less in touch with the public mood. The litmus test of that might may not be today (because they’re locals) but it’s coming.

    A year ago on here I was frequently ridiculed for suggesting an outright Labour majority was almost nailed on. Now it’s the de facto position of just about everyone here.

    You're quite happy to throw around accusations like casual sexism on others because it's much easier for you to deal with your critics if you view it through that prism, and you hope it will garner you some sympathy rather than ire. Maybe even turn the focus back on them.

    Of course, it's all nonsense. No-one could care less what sex you are: we just think you're a joke of a poster, who is quite happy to dish it out, sometimes in quite unpleasant terms, but absolutely cannot take it.
    No, again you are being unjust and rude. Someone called me ‘luv’ just yesterday. If you don’t see that’s a problem then it’s both a shame and a problem.

    There is a LOT of casual sexism on here, and the men who mostly populate this forum (ageing men at that) are so ingrained in it that they don’t realise how uncomfortable it makes the place for us women. (All extremely ironic considering the support I see for Rosie D in her defence of women.)

    There is no royal ‘We’ though Casino Royale. I have seen you being extremely unpleasant to various people on here. It starts with disagreement but then your blood seems to boil and you quickly because very nasty to other people.

    You once advised me to take a break, go away and reflect. In fact I did just that: didn’t come on this site for 3 whole months.

    I urge you to follow your own medicine and use it as an opportunity to grow as a person. It’s never too late.

    xx


  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,898

    Cyclefree said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Hah. In Adam Zamoyski’s Napoleon he talks about Napoleon’s attitude to religion (about which bonaparte cared a lot: he was a deist)

    Napoleon deeply criticised the French Revolution because it took away the “sense of the numinous”. Those are the words Zamoyski uses

    This actually reinforces something I’ve been thinking for a while. I know this will provoke more skeptical and materialist PB-ers, but for a long time I’ve thought I am actually a reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte. And I am increasingly sure it is true, given the plentiful evidence, which I surely don’t need to adduce here

    Have you ever felt the urge to conquer mainland Europe? If so, you might be on to something.
    I was born on the same day as Napoleon. Is that simply coincidence? Or something more than that? You decide. It’s your call

    But when you add that in, then it all looks a lot more ambiguous doesn’t it?

    There will always be nay sayers that I can never convince. I pay them no heed
    My son was born on the same day as Napoleon's death, 177 years later, and - unlike you - is directly descended from him. And he doesn't talk batshit nonsense either.

    You can fight it out with him, if you want.
    Considering the little turd was responsible for tens of thousands of untimely deaths due to his insatiable lust for personal aggrandisement (Napoleon, not your son), I fail to see what there is to be particularly proud of.
    If it was long enough ago killing lots of people becomes a point of pride.
    I think with napoleon the question is, would the alternative have been any better?

    By modern standards he's a dictator and a fascist, by the standards of the time he was a reformist and a radical.
    The British like to think of themselves as always fighting for liberty against fascists and dictators.

    This does not survive even a moment's scrutiny.

    Let's take Nelson. When the Neapolitans rose up against the Bourbon Kings, inspired by Napoleon, and declared the Parthenopean Republic, it was Nelson who helped quash the rebellion - brutally. Indeed, he boasted about putting it down as savagely as the Irish rebels had been put down in the Wolfe Tone-led rebellion just beforehand. The British were allying themselves with Bourbon monarchs - who were some of the most useless monarchs around.

    Like everyone the British fought for their own self interest. Since the goal of British foreign policy was generally to prevent the emergence of a dominant power in continental Europe, this often involved us fighting powerful bullies like Napoleon. But since the British also ran the largest empire in the world, an inherently coercive exercise, the idea that we only fought for liberty doesn't survive even a moment's scrutiny.
    Essentially true, but we did sometimes do so and ours was virtually the only Empire with a form of parliamentary accountability and such issues were at least debated.
    Well yes, I wouldn't claim the British Empire was the worst that existed by any means. Democracy at home doesn't matter much though if the business end of the imperial apparatus involves no democracy and right of self determination or has a limited franchise. To our credit we dismantled it with minimum fuss and now enjoy mostly good relations with the countries we used to rule.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    Tories will be glad this gets somewhat lost in the maelstrom. Crossover incoming.
    indeed


    Something odd going on with the blurring of images at the moment.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,766
    Fuck knows what panic striken reaction we'll get from the little shit when we do it hit crossover with the Fukkers. Promise of a referendum on the death penalty or return of National Service must be on the cards.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    NEW THREAD

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,111
    nico679 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    I think that’s hilarious . Two days of so called good Rwanda news for the “ Tory base” has added to the Reform vote .
    The Tory record on legal and illegal migration has been abysmal from the perspective of a potential Reform voter. Why they want it to be the focus of their campaign and newspaper headlines via a gimmick scheme is beyond me.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    Tories will be glad this gets somewhat lost in the maelstrom. Crossover incoming.
    indeed


    I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the polls weren’t static but that the graphs showed a steadily downward trend in Conservative support. I was once again vilified for the suggestion but your post bears it out. The Conservatives lost 2% in March and it looks as if the trend is continuing, with a Reform crossover by no means impossible.

    That Reform are only fielding 300 candidates in the locals should make us additionally wary about reading too much into the results.

    Quite how this continuing slide feeds into Moon Rabbit’s assertions to the contrary I have no idea.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,449
    Ratters said:

    nico679 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lara_spirit
    Labour lead at 26 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times

    CON 18 (-2)
    LAB 44 (-1)
    LIB DEM 10 (+1)
    REF UK 15 (+2)
    GRN 8 (+1)

    Fieldwork 30 April - 1 May

    I think that’s hilarious . Two days of so called good Rwanda news for the “ Tory base” has added to the Reform vote .
    The Tory record on legal and illegal migration has been abysmal from the perspective of a potential Reform voter. Why they want it to be the focus of their campaign and newspaper headlines via a gimmick scheme is beyond me.
    It's making a big noise about an issue where the Conservatives are doing badly.

    And very very very few people think that there is more than a negligible chance of Rwanda turning that around. Of course it boosts Reform. As well as repelling the next slice of Conservative centrists.

    Talking of which, a couple of tidbits from today's Times;

    The first batch to be sent will focus on the most compliant refugees. Good for getting some people off to Africa, but also a deterrent to co-operating with the system.

    As well as the questions about capacity at the Rwandan end, the UK doesn't have much space in the removal centres at our end.

    #uselessbunchofincomopetentloonies
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,453

    Hope @dieworkwear breaks down this look. As one of the replies says Rudy looks like he's wearing Trump’s skin.



    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1785622050649911404

    That tweet is a little unfair.

    What he says is “if you [are not willing to] to make fun of accomplished people of all races and religions then you are racist… Obama can kinda be made fun of … he was President of the fricking United States”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Cicero said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The £6bn tunnel that could link Europe to Africa by 2030
    After 100 years, a rail crossing between Spain and Morocco could finally come to fruition"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/underwater-tunnel-link-spain-to-morocco-by-2030/

    Not only will that never happen (the business case won't stack up and the politics would never allow it, it would be a huge conduit for migration into Europe) but they'd struggle to even approve and finance it by 2030 even if they wanted to, yet alone build it.

    It would take at least 8 years to build and commission, and probably more like 10.
    Meanwhile,in China such a tunnel could be designed and built within 3-4 years. Africa is going to be the fastest growing economic region over the next generation...
    Yes, I hear that a lot, but people never add why or how China do it in 3-4 years.

    If you don't care about planning consent, democracy, ecology, the environment, health and safety, worker rights, fair procurements and payments, or legally practice you can certainly cut a lot of corners, but would we want to?
    Hopefully we could find a middle ground.
This discussion has been closed.