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No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.1 -
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
Projecting YouGov 26-29 Apr into seats (changes vs 25 Mar - 2 Apr / vs 2021):
SNP ~ 47 (+3 / -17)
Labour ~ 39 (-3 / +17)
Conservative ~ 23 (+1 / -8)
Green ~ 10 (nc / +2)
Lib Dem ~ 10 (nc / +6)
Reform UK ~ 0 (-1 / nc)
A horribly fragmented parliament on those YouGov numbers. If the Greens decided to support the SNP, Sarwar would need the SCONS to vote for him to become FM.
I'm not really sure UK Labour or Starmer would want a Holyrood election before the GE if you ended up with Holyrood like this.0 -
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.0 -
Consistently good in Brittany in my (considerable) experience. And good value.Leon said:Fuck it. Oysters again
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Burgessian said:
My first MacBeth was a school trip. Albert Finney. My abiding memory is of some of the lads lobbing pork pies from the gallery into the stalls during lights out.Leon said:
Literally the first time I ever saw Macbeth was live at the Globe - where it would have been first enacted back in Shakespeare’s day. I had no idea it was that good. It is that good. So many superb lines. Geniusmegasaur said:
I have seen Macbeth in the open air under the walls of Cawdor castle. Micro production with 3 or 4 actors doing all parts. What sticks in my mind is the witches scenes where 3 of them sat round the cauldron and the 4th was concealed by the stage except for his hands in orange washing up gloves which he wiggled under the cauldron, as flames.Leon said:
Othello is bloody good. Midsummer Night’s Dream is enchanting. Romeo and Juliet is a ridiculously strong story. Henry V is genuinely stirring. Richard III is stuffed with great momentsTheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Hamlet and Macbeth are titanic
The only time I’ve cried at a Shakespeare play was Nicol Williamson playing Hamlet at the Roundhouse. It was a famous production in 1969 - I didn’t see it THERE. I was a tiny tot
But I’ve watched it on video since. Oh my days
http://everybodysreviewing.blogspot.com/2020/08/review-by-robert-richardson-of-hamlet.html
Incidentally I am reading (and listening to, as I drive) a brilliant biography of Napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. Much better than the hagiographic snooze fest by Andrew Roberts
I’ve learned that Napoleon was accused of incestuously coupling with his sisters (with some evidence…)
Also that his name for Josephine’s noo-noo was “your little rascal”
And also that he was mildly obsessed with British poetry. Especially Ossian - he was insane for Ossian - and also Othello. He could quote large chunks of Othello (presumably in French)
Best ever film version - Kurosawa's Throne of Blood. Toshiro Mifune (Macbeth character) in the film looks a bit like H Useless.
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We are all just trying to be as well informed and on the ball as you...Theuniondivvie said:
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.Theuniondivvie said:I would be amazed if he ran for leader rather than took it on as temporary caretaker. The only motive for the former would be to take the hit for electoral defeat and leave a cleanish sheet for his successor, and I don't think even he's that selfless.
Contra Unionist sneering he's quite popular in the party and seen as honourable so would work as a calming caretaker. I believe his wife has MS so I guess he would be doing a lot of consulting with her before taking on all the shite that goes with being even a temporary leader.0 -
A fag end SNP minority government propped up by the SCons who would also block indyref2 would probably suit SLab and Starmer fineRandallFlagg said:Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
Projecting YouGov 26-29 Apr into seats (changes vs 25 Mar - 2 Apr / vs 2021):
SNP ~ 47 (+3 / -17)
Labour ~ 39 (-3 / +17)
Conservative ~ 23 (+1 / -8)
Green ~ 10 (nc / +2)
Lib Dem ~ 10 (nc / +6)
Reform UK ~ 0 (-1 / nc)
A horribly fragmented parliament on those YouGov numbers. If the Greens decided to support the SNP, Sarwar would need the SCONS to vote for him to become FM.
I'm not really sure UK Labour or Starmer would want a Holyrood election before the GE if you ended up with Holyrood like this.0 -
Democratic slogan (one anyway) for 2024 IF Donald Trump selects Kristi Noem as VP running mate.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!"ydoethur said:
May Tempests rage about you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Though it's true since WW2, it's often been role for side-kick on POTUS ticket, to be the political-partisan attack dog, allowing presidential candidate to appear (at least by contrast) more "presidential'.
Richard Nixon did this for Dwight Eisenhower in 1952 & 1956; Spiro Agnew did same for RN in 1968 & 1972. After Watergate, in 1976 unelected incumbent Pres. Gerald Ford named Bob Dole as HIS (prospective) VP attack dog (instead of his actual also unelected VP Nelson Rockefeller who was anathema to hard-core GOPers of that era). In 1988 & 1992, Dan Quayle attempted the role for George Bush the Elder, but with limited success due to DQ's permanent status as a national joke.
Rather ironically, when Bob Dole (NOT a joke) ran for POTUS versus Bill Clinton in 1996, his VP pick, Jack Kemp, proved to be a friendly puppy by comparison, who beyond reasonably progressive record on race relations if not civil rights per se, combined with hard-conservative views for that day, added little to the ticket.
Similar situation with Tim Kaine as VP with Hillary Clinton in 2016. Not exactly sure what he brought to the party, but he was definitely NOT gnawing away Trump/Pence's ankles or underbelly.
Democratic POTSUS candidates have tended NOT to unleash their VPs as dogs of war. More typically they are ticket balancers and/or regional-demographic appealers. For example
> John Sparkman 1952, Estes Kefauver 1956, Lyndon Johnson 1960, Lloyd Bentsen 1988 were Southerners and (except for Kefauver) considered more conservative than the Northerner top of the ticket;
> Though Lloyd Bentsen DID puncture Dan Quayles balloon permanently, when he noted that "I knew Jack Kennedy, and served with Jack Kennedy - sir, you are no Jack Kennedy". One of THE Great Burns of US political history;
> In 1976 & 1980 Jimmy Carter reversed the regional-ideological dynamic, by picking Walter Mondale, a Northern liberal to balance HIS ticket: "Grits & Fritz"; Al Gore tried to do something similar by selecting Northerner Joe Liebeman for VP, who as first Jewish major-party candidate added that luster to the ticket.
Other various example of other POTUS-VP ticket dynamics but have to get to my day job!1 -
You can get medication for that premature thingScott_xP said:
We are all just trying to be as well informed and on the ball as you...Theuniondivvie said:
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.Theuniondivvie said:I would be amazed if he ran for leader rather than took it on as temporary caretaker. The only motive for the former would be to take the hit for electoral defeat and leave a cleanish sheet for his successor, and I don't think even he's that selfless.
Contra Unionist sneering he's quite popular in the party and seen as honourable so would work as a calming caretaker. I believe his wife has MS so I guess he would be doing a lot of consulting with her before taking on all the shite that goes with being even a temporary leader.
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He resigned because he was going to loseHYUFD said:Not sure what the point of Yousaf resigning is, unless his successor can restart a coalition government with the Greens or do a deal with Alba he still can't govern. Swinney may be the safest pair of hands but his last stint as SNP leader was hardly glorious
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Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.0 -
She’d play Sunak to Useless’s Truss.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?0 -
You think he wasn't gone at 8:40 this morning?Theuniondivvie said:
You can get medication for that premature thingScott_xP said:
We are all just trying to be as well informed and on the ball as you...Theuniondivvie said:
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.Theuniondivvie said:I would be amazed if he ran for leader rather than took it on as temporary caretaker. The only motive for the former would be to take the hit for electoral defeat and leave a cleanish sheet for his successor, and I don't think even he's that selfless.
Contra Unionist sneering he's quite popular in the party and seen as honourable so would work as a calming caretaker. I believe his wife has MS so I guess he would be doing a lot of consulting with her before taking on all the shite that goes with being even a temporary leader.
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Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.
But the Mayoral results for the Tories in both Teeside and West Midlands may turn out better than 2017!!Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.0 -
The adage 'learned nothing and forgotten nothing' springs to mind.Andy_JS said:"When in July 2000 Alex Salmond made the surprise announcement that he was stepping down as the SNP's leader after a decade in the job, heavy betting pointed to Swinney as his preferred successor. At the Inverness SNP conference that September, he was elected leader by 67% of the votes to fundamentalist Alex Neil's 33%, and in his victory speech said: "I stand here as the first leader in the history of the SNP who has a hard headed opportunity to lead our party into government and our country on to independence.""
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Worst version I saw (also a school trip) was the legendary Peter O’Toole production.Scarpia said:
Best ever film version - Kurosawa's Throne of Blood. Toshiro Mifune (Macbeth character) in the film looks a bit like H Useless.Burgessian said:
My first MacBeth was a school trip. Albert Finney. My abiding memory is of some of the lads lobbing pork pies from the gallery into the stalls during lights out.Leon said:
Literally the first time I ever saw Macbeth was live at the Globe - where it would have been first enacted back in Shakespeare’s day. I had no idea it was that good. It is that good. So many superb lines. Geniusmegasaur said:
I have seen Macbeth in the open air under the walls of Cawdor castle. Micro production with 3 or 4 actors doing all parts. What sticks in my mind is the witches scenes where 3 of them sat round the cauldron and the 4th was concealed by the stage except for his hands in orange washing up gloves which he wiggled under the cauldron, as flames.Leon said:
Othello is bloody good. Midsummer Night’s Dream is enchanting. Romeo and Juliet is a ridiculously strong story. Henry V is genuinely stirring. Richard III is stuffed with great momentsTheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Hamlet and Macbeth are titanic
The only time I’ve cried at a Shakespeare play was Nicol Williamson playing Hamlet at the Roundhouse. It was a famous production in 1969 - I didn’t see it THERE. I was a tiny tot
But I’ve watched it on video since. Oh my days
http://everybodysreviewing.blogspot.com/2020/08/review-by-robert-richardson-of-hamlet.html
Incidentally I am reading (and listening to, as I drive) a brilliant biography of Napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. Much better than the hagiographic snooze fest by Andrew Roberts
I’ve learned that Napoleon was accused of incestuously coupling with his sisters (with some evidence…)
Also that his name for Josephine’s noo-noo was “your little rascal”
And also that he was mildly obsessed with British poetry. Especially Ossian - he was insane for Ossian - and also Othello. He could quote large chunks of Othello (presumably in French)
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-roaring-boy-macbeth/
Contrary to the linked article, Peter did not do the soliloquies “brilliantly”. I remember being deeply embarrassed on his behalf.0 -
This week’s results are going to more than usually fascinating. I am expecting the Tories to outperform (admittedly extremely low) expectations, because of the putative Reform voters arriving at the polling station and realising they don’t have a candidate.legatus said:Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.
But the Mayoral results for the Tories in both Teeside and West Midlands may turn out better than 2017!!Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.
Also expecting Lib Dem and Green to outperform, as per usual, and Labour to appear to have disappointing night because of poor expectation management.0 -
And the greatest of the great Shakespeare plays are the Henry IV duo.1
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Ah, you were just making a general point, albeit in your excitable 'I've just read a tweet!' way?Scott_xP said:
You think he wasn't gone at 8:40 this morning?Theuniondivvie said:
You can get medication for that premature thingScott_xP said:
We are all just trying to be as well informed and on the ball as you...Theuniondivvie said:
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.Theuniondivvie said:I would be amazed if he ran for leader rather than took it on as temporary caretaker. The only motive for the former would be to take the hit for electoral defeat and leave a cleanish sheet for his successor, and I don't think even he's that selfless.
Contra Unionist sneering he's quite popular in the party and seen as honourable so would work as a calming caretaker. I believe his wife has MS so I guess he would be doing a lot of consulting with her before taking on all the shite that goes with being even a temporary leader.
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They'll be asking you to hand in your flag next...
You read a tweet which you misunderstood and you..er..spurted.
You could always try 'this has never happened to me before'.0 -
I was making the point at 8:40 AM that his career as FM was over.Theuniondivvie said:Ah, you were just making a general point
Which part of that are you struggling with?0 -
I want to thank @boulay for pointing me to Dinan. What a magical place
And unlike many insta-perfect French towns, not overrun with tourists
On a perfect spring evening - cloudless skies - I just walked down the Rue de Jerzual, which might be one of the prettiest streets in the world. All 15th century half timbered houses and medieval gates. For about 5 minutes I was entirely alone. The only person on that road. And all I could hear was luscious birdsong
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"Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings."Nigelb said:And the greatest of the great Shakespeare plays are the Henry IV duo.
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She didn't lose to Yousaf, she lost to Nicola and her husband and their iron grip on the party at that time. That grip is now gone.algarkirk said:
Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.
Like you I fundamentally oppose the independence policy but I still rate her highly. She seems competent in a sort of old fashioned way that we haven't seen for a while. I'd like to try competence, after all we have tried everything else.
Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them. Unless you can get one of the Unionist parties to play and I don't see how she sells that to her party. The Greens at least pretend to be for independence.1 -
Well, stable, but batshit.DavidL said:Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them.
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Glad you are enjoying it. It’s great on warm summer evenings too and never felt too full of tourists. The rue de la Cordonnerie is a cobbled street with plenty of bars down it and suitably lively on August evenings. It’s jokingly called “la rue de la soif” which is effectively “the road of thirst” for obvious reasons.Leon said:I want to thank @boulay for pointing me to Dinan. What a magical place
And unlike many insta-perfect French towns, not overrun with tourists
On a perfect spring evening - cloudless skies - I just walked down the Rue de Jerzual, which might be one of the prettiest streets in the world. All 15th century half timbered houses and medieval gates. For about 5 minutes I was entirely alone. The only person on that road. And all I could hear was luscious birdsong
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And Humza the Numpty...Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings."Nigelb said:And the greatest of the great Shakespeare plays are the Henry IV duo.
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Sad? Dead is just the way we Irish like OUR kings best!Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings."Nigelb said:And the greatest of the great Shakespeare plays are the Henry IV duo.
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Another lovely place I walked to and stayed in last yearLeon said:I want to thank @boulay for pointing me to Dinan. What a magical place
And unlike many insta-perfect French towns, not overrun with tourists
On a perfect spring evening - cloudless skies - I just walked down the Rue de Jerzual, which might be one of the prettiest streets in the world. All 15th century half timbered houses and medieval gates. For about 5 minutes I was entirely alone. The only person on that road. And all I could hear was luscious birdsong
Are you, really slowly, stalking me?!
I bet that Tom Knox fella isn't far behind either..4 -
On a serious personal point, may I ask whether anyone has had experience of a cardiac Angiogram? I am scheduled to have this procedure on May 24th.0
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"I am constant as the Northern Star."Taz said:
She’d play Sunak to Useless’s Truss.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?0 -
I read your post at 8.40 and listened to Sky and the BBC saying it was expected and a news conference was due at 12noonScott_xP said:
You think he wasn't gone at 8:40 this morning?Theuniondivvie said:
You can get medication for that premature thingScott_xP said:
We are all just trying to be as well informed and on the ball as you...Theuniondivvie said:
I'm saving Scotchspurts for your more excitable Caledonian moments.Leon said:
Scotchperts is desperately bad, but maybe that was your aim. If so, bravoTheuniondivvie said:
Surely Humza was such a disaster (©PB Scotchperts) the SNP numbers can only go up?RandallFlagg said:Pretty meh YouGov for SLAB given the circumstances.
Latest Westminster voting intention (Scotland)
Lab: 34% (+1 from 2 Apr)
SNP: 33% (+2)
Con: 14% (=)
Lib Dem: 8% (+1)
Reform UK: 5% (-2)
Green: 4% (-1)
Other: 2% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (constituency)
SNP: 36% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Lab: 32% (=)
Con: 16% (+1)
Lib Dem: 9% (=)
Green: 3% (-1)
Other: 4% (-1)
Latest Holyrood voting intention (regional)
SNP: 31% (+2 from 2 Apr)
Labour: 28% (-1)
Conservative: 17% (+1)
Lib Dem: 8% (=)
Green: 8% (-1)
Reform UK: 3% (-2)
Alba: 3% (=)
Fieldwork conducted 26-29 Apr, all prior to Yousaf's resignation
But anyway, lol.Theuniondivvie said:I would be amazed if he ran for leader rather than took it on as temporary caretaker. The only motive for the former would be to take the hit for electoral defeat and leave a cleanish sheet for his successor, and I don't think even he's that selfless.
Contra Unionist sneering he's quite popular in the party and seen as honourable so would work as a calming caretaker. I believe his wife has MS so I guess he would be doing a lot of consulting with her before taking on all the shite that goes with being even a temporary leader.
Scott_xP Posts: 33,024
8:40AM
And he's gone...
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Fuck, you really are out of touch.
They'll be asking you to hand in your flag next...
It was frankly a misleading post at the time you made it0 -
On a different note to Brittany and Spain, it's 10-9 in both snooker matches. 😊
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/live/c72pjl980ryt0 -
That reminds me of seeing Alan Howard perform Richard II, and Richard III, on the same day at the RSC.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings."Nigelb said:And the greatest of the great Shakespeare plays are the Henry IV duo.
He was best in the first role (though great in both); David Suchet was Bolingbroke.1 -
"Parting is such sweet sorrow."BlancheLivermore said:
Another lovely place I walked to and stayed in last yearLeon said:I want to thank @boulay for pointing me to Dinan. What a magical place
And unlike many insta-perfect French towns, not overrun with tourists
On a perfect spring evening - cloudless skies - I just walked down the Rue de Jerzual, which might be one of the prettiest streets in the world. All 15th century half timbered houses and medieval gates. For about 5 minutes I was entirely alone. The only person on that road. And all I could hear was luscious birdsong
Are you, really slowly, stalking me?!
I bet that Tom Knox fella isn't far behind either..0 -
In the context and time no you were not - you said 'and he's gone' which did not happen until 12 noonScott_xP said:
I was making the point at 8:40 AM that his career as FM was over.Theuniondivvie said:Ah, you were just making a general point
Which part of that are you struggling with?0 -
Come, you spirits that tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here and fill me from the crown to the toe top-full of direst cruelty!TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
Adding my own subtle Lady Macbeth gender critical reference. Which is entirely on topic because apparently the SNP is in the mess it is because of its woke gender whatever.0 -
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"We have heard the chimes at 8.40am."Big_G_NorthWales said:
In the context and time no you were not - you said 'and he's gone' which did not happen until 12 noonScott_xP said:
I was making the point at 8:40 AM that his career as FM was over.Theuniondivvie said:Ah, you were just making a general point
Which part of that are you struggling with?3 -
"Andrew Neil
@afneil
Devolution might not have done much for ordinary Scots but it’s been a dripping roast for Scotland’s political elite. Take Humza Yousaf. He was First Minister for 13 months on an annual salary of almost £177,000 — more than the Prime Minister — of which £104,500 was for being FM (the balance was his MSP salary). He is now entitled to half his FM salary — £52,000 a year — FOR LIFE. Plus his MSP salary. Talk about snouts in the trough …"
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/17850203321867143675 -
I think he is doomedbigjohnowls said:Latest from Rishi.
https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/17850212391923471270 -
You think at 8:40 he was going to fight on, fight on to win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
In the context and time no you were not - you said 'and he's gone' which did not happen until 12 noonScott_xP said:
I was making the point at 8:40 AM that his career as FM was over.Theuniondivvie said:Ah, you were just making a general point
Which part of that are you struggling with?
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Crystal clear? Have things changed in the last couple of days?DavidL said:
She didn't lose to Yousaf, she lost to Nicola and her husband and their iron grip on the party at that time. That grip is now gone.algarkirk said:
Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.
Like you I fundamentally oppose the independence policy but I still rate her highly. She seems competent in a sort of old fashioned way that we haven't seen for a while. I'd like to try competence, after all we have tried everything else.
Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them. Unless you can get one of the Unionist parties to play and I don't see how she sells that to her party. The Greens at least pretend to be for independence.
'She wrote: "Let us get away from the language of who is and who is not acceptable to work with. For example, well before and during the Bute House Agreement, Patrick Harvie and I worked together – that is no secret. The question therefore isn’t whether my world is big enough to embrace the Greens – it is. The question is whether their world is big enough to embrace me. I hope and believe it is."'
https://tinyurl.com/2s3yyprj0 -
No - it was your misleading language that said 'he was gone' meaning at 8.40am he had resigned when he had notScott_xP said:
You think at 8:40 he was going to fight on, fight on to win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
In the context and time no you were not - you said 'and he's gone' which did not happen until 12 noonScott_xP said:
I was making the point at 8:40 AM that his career as FM was over.Theuniondivvie said:Ah, you were just making a general point
Which part of that are you struggling with?
Wow, nearly as out of touch as @Theuniondivvie
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Does anyone else enjoy seeing Scott back on Scotland rather than Brexit, to remind us that he's in fact not a monomaniac?4
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Tory majority nailed on (Red plus Blue plus Forbes Caucus)RandallFlagg said:Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
Projecting YouGov 26-29 Apr into seats (changes vs 25 Mar - 2 Apr / vs 2021):
SNP ~ 47 (+3 / -17)
Labour ~ 39 (-3 / +17)
Conservative ~ 23 (+1 / -8)
Green ~ 10 (nc / +2)
Lib Dem ~ 10 (nc / +6)
Reform UK ~ 0 (-1 / nc)
A horribly fragmented parliament on those YouGov numbers. If the Greens decided to support the SNP, Sarwar would need the SCONS to vote for him to become FM.
I'm not really sure UK Labour or Starmer would want a Holyrood election before the GE if you ended up with Holyrood like this.0 -
"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland1 -
Components of it, but it’s a bit of an artificial construct:DavidL said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hollow_Crown_(TV_series)
The TV series was a bit pants. Simon Russell Beale (a fine actor) just didn’t work as Falstaff nor Hiddleston as Hal, I think.
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Can't be rightlegatus said:Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.
But the Mayoral results for the Tories in both Teeside and West Midlands may turn out better than 2017!!Stuartinromford said:
No chance of a joke at the Lib Dems' expense should be wasted, natch.rcs1000 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, the LibDem figures are not in percentage points, they are the number of people who said they would be voting that way.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Yougov poll suggests there is a world in which Tories could hold *both* West Midlands and Tees Valley mayoralties - but it is very, very tight
Houchen is narrowly ahead in Tees Valley
Street is only just ahead in West Mids but Yougov says it's within margin of error too close to call
Tees Valley (poll of 924 voters)
Ben Houchen, Tory - 51
Chris McEwan, Labour - 44
Simon Thorley, Lib Dem - 5
West Midlands (poll of 1495 voters)
Andy Street, Tory - 41
Richard Parker, Labour - 39
Sunny Virk, Lib Dem - 2
But.
If their vote is that willing to be squeezed in no-hope areas...
The Conservatives are in for some terrible nights this year.
Shh 2017 is not allowed to be talked about0 -
How does Ed Davey fill his week?
Is he developing policy, points of view, putting out press releases, lobbying journalists and studios, and just being ignored?
Or he is not even bothering?0 -
I fear he is reciting the whole play, one line per post.ydoethur said:
Do I get the feeling you like Henry V?Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
We need to ignore him and rise above it, we few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
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He donated £100k to the No campaign in the Sindyref - he was a dyed in the wool unionist.kle4 said:
Awesome author. Shardlake, Winter in Madrid, Dominion, have read them all.Benpointer said:C J Sansom has died.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/29/cj-sansom-author-of-the-shardlake-novels-dies-aged-71
Dominion is one of my favourite alt-history novels.
Given his anti SNP tirade included, for seemingly no reason, at the end of Dominion, a Scottish thread header seems appropriate.
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Yes, but the common theme here is that he's maniac about whatever he's "on".BlancheLivermore said:Does anyone else enjoy seeing Scott back on Scotland rather than Brexit, to remind us that he's in fact not a monomaniac?
He wasn't exactly a ray of sunshine even when he just had Miliband and Salmond to go at, even though I basically agreed with him.0 -
Farting is such not so sweet sorrow.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Parting is such sweet sorrow."BlancheLivermore said:
Another lovely place I walked to and stayed in last yearLeon said:I want to thank @boulay for pointing me to Dinan. What a magical place
And unlike many insta-perfect French towns, not overrun with tourists
On a perfect spring evening - cloudless skies - I just walked down the Rue de Jerzual, which might be one of the prettiest streets in the world. All 15th century half timbered houses and medieval gates. For about 5 minutes I was entirely alone. The only person on that road. And all I could hear was luscious birdsong
Are you, really slowly, stalking me?!
I bet that Tom Knox fella isn't far behind either..
Pasting is so Rachel Reeves0 -
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.3 -
Tudor propagandist favoured by Colonial power supporter shock.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.1 -
Forbes and the Greens will come to an understanding if both decide they need each other.DavidL said:
She didn't lose to Yousaf, she lost to Nicola and her husband and their iron grip on the party at that time. That grip is now gone.algarkirk said:
Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.
Like you I fundamentally oppose the independence policy but I still rate her highly. She seems competent in a sort of old fashioned way that we haven't seen for a while. I'd like to try competence, after all we have tried everything else.
Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them. Unless you can get one of the Unionist parties to play and I don't see how she sells that to her party. The Greens at least pretend to be for independence.
If Forbes is as smart as you say she is she won't repeat precisely the same unforced error that brought Yousaf down literally hours ago. The Greens are in a powerful position and can name their price. That looks like a basis for a deal.0 -
I also got bored of Andrew Robert's Napolean and failed to finish it.Leon said:
He’s either a warrior hero or a proto-Hitler. This seems to be an attempt to judge him in the round. It’s also full of salacious gossip, which was sadly lacking from Roberts’ effort - which I abandoned half way through. Also endless detailed discourse about battles and enfilades and flanking movements gets old very fast.kle4 said:
I've read that biography. Certainly came across as a more nuanced take on Napoleon that we often get.Leon said:
Literally the first time I ever saw Macbeth was live at the Globe - where it would have been first enacted back in Shakespeare’s day. I had no idea it was that good. It is that good. So many superb lines. Geniusmegasaur said:
I have seen Macbeth in the open air under the walls of Cawdor castle. Micro production with 3 or 4 actors doing all parts. What sticks in my mind is the witches scenes where 3 of them sat round the cauldron and the 4th was concealed by the stage except for his hands in orange washing up gloves which he wiggled under the cauldron, as flames.Leon said:
Othello is bloody good. Midsummer Night’s Dream is enchanting. Romeo and Juliet is a ridiculously strong story. Henry V is genuinely stirring. Richard III is stuffed with great momentsTheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Hamlet and Macbeth are titanic
The only time I’ve cried at a Shakespeare play was Nicol Williamson playing Hamlet at the Roundhouse. It was a famous production in 1969 - I didn’t see it THERE. I was a tiny tot
But I’ve watched it on video since. Oh my days
http://everybodysreviewing.blogspot.com/2020/08/review-by-robert-richardson-of-hamlet.html
Incidentally I am reading (and listening to, as I drive) a brilliant biography of Napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. Much better than the hagiographic snooze fest by Andrew Roberts
I’ve learned that Napoleon was accused of incestuously coupling with his sisters (with some evidence…)
Also that his name for Josephine’s noo-noo was “your little rascal”
And also that he was mildly obsessed with British poetry. Especially Ossian - he was insane for Ossian - and also Othello. He could quote large chunks of Othello (presumably in French)0 -
Of memorable Shakespeare performances I will give a shout to the Handlebards (https://www.handlebards.com) who tour the country every summer on bicycles giving four person outdoor performances of the classics. Their comedic slant on Hamlet from a few years ago was outrageously good.3
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Aahhhhh!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends!3 -
@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.
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ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments1 -
Roooooooaaaaaaaaaaarghunaccustomed as I am to public speaking....Casino_Royale said:
Aahhhhh!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends!0 -
A true patriot.sarissa said:
He donated £100k to the No campaign in the Sindyref - he was a dyed in the wool unionist.kle4 said:
Awesome author. Shardlake, Winter in Madrid, Dominion, have read them all.Benpointer said:C J Sansom has died.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/29/cj-sansom-author-of-the-shardlake-novels-dies-aged-71
Dominion is one of my favourite alt-history novels.
Given his anti SNP tirade included, for seemingly no reason, at the end of Dominion, a Scottish thread header seems appropriate.1 -
I don't know why Roberts decided to die in ditch over trying to make him out to be a great man. His George III was much better and much more convincing.rcs1000 said:
I also got bored of Andrew Robert's Napolean and failed to finish it.Leon said:
He’s either a warrior hero or a proto-Hitler. This seems to be an attempt to judge him in the round. It’s also full of salacious gossip, which was sadly lacking from Roberts’ effort - which I abandoned half way through. Also endless detailed discourse about battles and enfilades and flanking movements gets old very fast.kle4 said:
I've read that biography. Certainly came across as a more nuanced take on Napoleon that we often get.Leon said:
Literally the first time I ever saw Macbeth was live at the Globe - where it would have been first enacted back in Shakespeare’s day. I had no idea it was that good. It is that good. So many superb lines. Geniusmegasaur said:
I have seen Macbeth in the open air under the walls of Cawdor castle. Micro production with 3 or 4 actors doing all parts. What sticks in my mind is the witches scenes where 3 of them sat round the cauldron and the 4th was concealed by the stage except for his hands in orange washing up gloves which he wiggled under the cauldron, as flames.Leon said:
Othello is bloody good. Midsummer Night’s Dream is enchanting. Romeo and Juliet is a ridiculously strong story. Henry V is genuinely stirring. Richard III is stuffed with great momentsTheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Hamlet and Macbeth are titanic
The only time I’ve cried at a Shakespeare play was Nicol Williamson playing Hamlet at the Roundhouse. It was a famous production in 1969 - I didn’t see it THERE. I was a tiny tot
But I’ve watched it on video since. Oh my days
http://everybodysreviewing.blogspot.com/2020/08/review-by-robert-richardson-of-hamlet.html
Incidentally I am reading (and listening to, as I drive) a brilliant biography of Napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. Much better than the hagiographic snooze fest by Andrew Roberts
I’ve learned that Napoleon was accused of incestuously coupling with his sisters (with some evidence…)
Also that his name for Josephine’s noo-noo was “your little rascal”
And also that he was mildly obsessed with British poetry. Especially Ossian - he was insane for Ossian - and also Othello. He could quote large chunks of Othello (presumably in French)
Maybe he liked the way Napoleon laid the smack down. Or maybe he just wanted to differentiate himself in the English language market.0 -
Ye shall all forget.Benpointer said:
I fear he is reciting the whole play, one line per post.ydoethur said:
Do I get the feeling you like Henry V?Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
We need to ignore him and rise above it, we few, we happy few, we band of brothers.0 -
He’s got a point. Same applies to Labour. The basis of the constitution rests on the PM having the confidence of the House. Not the confidence of those who stump up however much it costs to join the relevant party.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.2 -
I think he is absolutely right, both in the idea that the vote should remain with the MPs and that he will never get that change through because of the members' powerScott_xP said:@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.1 -
Off topic, but you may like this detail about Doug Burgum:
"He attended North Dakota State University (NDSU) to earn his undergraduate degree in 1978. During his senior year at NDSU, he applied to the Stanford Graduate School of Business. He also started a chimney-sweeping business. "The newspaper wrote a story about me as a chimney sweep", he later recalled; it "ran a photo of me sitting on top of an icy chimney in below-freezing weather in Fargo. The story made the AP wire service. I was later told it caused quite a stir in the Stanford admissions office: 'Hey, there's a chimney sweep from North Dakota who's applied."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum
He went on to become a very successful businessman and Microsoft executive, before becoming North Dakota governor.:0 -
This is the Tory’s “Clause 4”.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.
Fixing this disastrous set up (thank you, William Hague) is a pre-requisite for letting them back into power, maybe some time in the 2030s.0 -
No- as soon as the vacancy arose, the SNP hierarchy (P Murrell) tore up the rule book, restricted the campaign spending to pocket money and curtailed hustings to his self selected acolytes to ensure HY won. Even then it was a close run thing.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?0 -
Another SKS U turn tomorrowBig_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments1 -
How much would it cost the government to send a hundred immigrants to Ireland and pretend they were afraid of Rwanda?
If they have done that, it seems far more cost effective than the Rwanda plan itself0 -
Scott?sarissa said:
He donated £100k to the No campaign in the Sindyref - he was a dyed in the wool unionist.kle4 said:
Awesome author. Shardlake, Winter in Madrid, Dominion, have read them all.Benpointer said:C J Sansom has died.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/29/cj-sansom-author-of-the-shardlake-novels-dies-aged-71
Dominion is one of my favourite alt-history novels.
Given his anti SNP tirade included, for seemingly no reason, at the end of Dominion, a Scottish thread header seems appropriate.0 -
I suspect Sir Graham has a certain someone in mind.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.
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There's plenty of hagiographies of Napoleon in English. In fact the rarest thing seems to be a full blooded condemnation. And there is plenty to condemn.Casino_Royale said:
I don't know why Roberts decided to die in ditch over trying to make him out to be a great man. His George III was much better and much more convincing.rcs1000 said:
I also got bored of Andrew Robert's Napolean and failed to finish it.Leon said:
He’s either a warrior hero or a proto-Hitler. This seems to be an attempt to judge him in the round. It’s also full of salacious gossip, which was sadly lacking from Roberts’ effort - which I abandoned half way through. Also endless detailed discourse about battles and enfilades and flanking movements gets old very fast.kle4 said:
I've read that biography. Certainly came across as a more nuanced take on Napoleon that we often get.Leon said:
Literally the first time I ever saw Macbeth was live at the Globe - where it would have been first enacted back in Shakespeare’s day. I had no idea it was that good. It is that good. So many superb lines. Geniusmegasaur said:
I have seen Macbeth in the open air under the walls of Cawdor castle. Micro production with 3 or 4 actors doing all parts. What sticks in my mind is the witches scenes where 3 of them sat round the cauldron and the 4th was concealed by the stage except for his hands in orange washing up gloves which he wiggled under the cauldron, as flames.Leon said:
Othello is bloody good. Midsummer Night’s Dream is enchanting. Romeo and Juliet is a ridiculously strong story. Henry V is genuinely stirring. Richard III is stuffed with great momentsTheScreamingEagles said:
Hamlet for me.Benpointer said:
All things considered, Macbeth is my favourite Shakespeare play.TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
With the possible exception of Hamlet. And Romeo and Juliet of course...
Hamlet and Macbeth are titanic
The only time I’ve cried at a Shakespeare play was Nicol Williamson playing Hamlet at the Roundhouse. It was a famous production in 1969 - I didn’t see it THERE. I was a tiny tot
But I’ve watched it on video since. Oh my days
http://everybodysreviewing.blogspot.com/2020/08/review-by-robert-richardson-of-hamlet.html
Incidentally I am reading (and listening to, as I drive) a brilliant biography of Napoleon by Adam Zamoyski. Much better than the hagiographic snooze fest by Andrew Roberts
I’ve learned that Napoleon was accused of incestuously coupling with his sisters (with some evidence…)
Also that his name for Josephine’s noo-noo was “your little rascal”
And also that he was mildly obsessed with British poetry. Especially Ossian - he was insane for Ossian - and also Othello. He could quote large chunks of Othello (presumably in French)
Maybe he liked the way Napoleon laid the smack down. Or maybe he just wanted to differentiate himself in the English language market.
The recent film was rubbish and weird - what was going on there?2 -
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments2 -
Interesting. Do you have a source for that?bigjohnowls said:
Another SKS U turn tomorrowBig_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments0 -
Less democracy is a good thing.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
Exclusive
Sir Graham Brady has said Tory members should be stripped of their ability to pick the next leader when the party is in government
A leaked recording reveals the 1922 chairman said last week that the current setup is “crazy”.0 -
This is the level of small minded, petty, vindictiveness I can only admire.
https://x.com/ryandilks1/status/1784889778980163785?s=610 -
Be honest, Andrew. You wouldn't get out of bed for £177,000paAndy_JS said:"Andrew Neil
@afneil
Devolution might not have done much for ordinary Scots but it’s been a dripping roast for Scotland’s political elite. Take Humza Yousaf. He was First Minister for 13 months on an annual salary of almost £177,000 — more than the Prime Minister — of which £104,500 was for being FM (the balance was his MSP salary). He is now entitled to half his FM salary — £52,000 a year — FOR LIFE. Plus his MSP salary. Talk about snouts in the trough …"
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/17850203321867143671 -
What's is Gov Doug Burgum's position on supporting, aiding and abetting efforts by the President and henchpeople, to overthrow the government and Constitution of the United States, in order to overturn the results of a presidential election, past OR future?Jim_Miller said:Off topic, but you may like this detail about Doug Burgum:
"He attended North Dakota State University (NDSU) to earn his undergraduate degree in 1978. During his senior year at NDSU, he applied to the Stanford Graduate School of Business. He also started a chimney-sweeping business. "The newspaper wrote a story about me as a chimney sweep", he later recalled; it "ran a photo of me sitting on top of an icy chimney in below-freezing weather in Fargo. The story made the AP wire service. I was later told it caused quite a stir in the Stanford admissions office: 'Hey, there's a chimney sweep from North Dakota who's applied."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum
He went on to become a very successful businessman and Microsoft executive, before becoming North Dakota governor.:0 -
Why do we need to fly them to Rwanda when we can just bus them to the Irish border? I would even accept Parliament declaring Ireland a safe country.... possibly. We should have this as the basic policy. We could get rid of thousands at a fraction of the cost.Casino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
(I am of course joking, he says rapidly)1 -
This is a classic example of trying to move a problem without resolving it. Presumably said migrants can enter Ireland from France so we might end up having refugee camps on the Irish border instead of Calais which will presuambly mean we'll have to waste time and resources strengthening that border as migrants use that as another option.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
Perhaps we'll need naval patrols in the Irish Sea to deter those trying to cross from Ireland.
What is the "plan"? Deterrence presumably but if we get hundreds coming in during the summer from France AND Ireland along with those already here how many are we realistically going to be able to send to Kigali?0 -
Scott mostly doesn't spend his time on here disparaging other PB commentators, so why not?BlancheLivermore said:Does anyone else enjoy seeing Scott back on Scotland rather than Brexit, to remind us that he's in fact not a monomaniac?
And yes, I have broken my own rule not to make personal comments.0 -
Quality 😂👍Casino_Royale said:
Aahhhhh!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Phew, somebody spotted my two subtle Macbeth references.viewcode said:@TheScreamingEagles, you are certainly educating us with respect to Shakespeare...
I plan to do other threads with headlines from other Shakespeare plays.
I love Shakespeare.
Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends!0 -
There was a meeting with the Irish and UK governments today when the UK rejected the idea of accepting returning asylum seekers without a similar agreement with FranceDougSeal said:
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
This is not going away, and it is likely to be discussed at EU and French levels and maybe we could see a united attempt by all parties to stop the boats and address the wider issue of asylum seekers and Europe's own border problems0 -
Am I alone in finding it morbidly funny that those who shout loudest about sending immigrants back to that "safe country" France are also the most indignant that the Irish might want their immigrants to come back here?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There was a meeting with the Irish and UK governments today when the UK rejected the idea of accepting returning asylum seekers without a similar agreement with FranceDougSeal said:
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
This is not going away, and it is likely to be discussed at EU and French levels and maybe we could see a united attempt by all parties to stop the boats and address the wider issue of asylum seekers and Europe's own border problems0 -
Kate Forbes problem may not be the Greens, but large chunks of the SNP.Theuniondivvie said:
Crystal clear? Have things changed in the last couple of days?DavidL said:
She didn't lose to Yousaf, she lost to Nicola and her husband and their iron grip on the party at that time. That grip is now gone.algarkirk said:
Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.
Like you I fundamentally oppose the independence policy but I still rate her highly. She seems competent in a sort of old fashioned way that we haven't seen for a while. I'd like to try competence, after all we have tried everything else.
Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them. Unless you can get one of the Unionist parties to play and I don't see how she sells that to her party. The Greens at least pretend to be for independence.
'She wrote: "Let us get away from the language of who is and who is not acceptable to work with. For example, well before and during the Bute House Agreement, Patrick Harvie and I worked together – that is no secret. The question therefore isn’t whether my world is big enough to embrace the Greens – it is. The question is whether their world is big enough to embrace me. I hope and believe it is."'
https://tinyurl.com/2s3yyprj0 -
It doesn't seem a credible argument that asylum seekers are so afraid of Rwanda that they are desperate to get to Ireland, yet 500 more are so unbothered by the threat to arrive by small boat over the last weekend, and record arrivals for the first 4 months of 2024 despite the foul weather.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
It doesn't add up.
Leicester 1 nil up. Looks like we are going up as Champions.0 -
The plan is to wait until we can all point and laugh at Starmer. And say, 'ohh, if only you had kept going with our plan...'stodge said:
This is a classic example of trying to move a problem without resolving it. Presumably said migrants can enter Ireland from France so we might end up having refugee camps on the Irish border instead of Calais which will presuambly mean we'll have to waste time and resources strengthening that border as migrants use that as another option.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
Perhaps we'll need naval patrols in the Irish Sea to deter those trying to cross from Ireland.
What is the "plan"? Deterrence presumably but if we get hundreds coming in during the summer from France AND Ireland along with those already here how many are we realistically going to be able to send to Kigali?
(There's a bit of selection bias going on here as well. That people moving from the UK to Ireland are pointing out Rwanda fear is probably true and certainly rational. But just because that subset of migrants are mentioning it doesn't tell us about the totality of migrants crossing the channel. (To put it in terms PBers will relate to, it would be like doing an opinion poll based solely on parents picking up children from school.))
Meanwhile, since the 'Rwanda Is Safe, Whatever You Think' Law passed, 500 migrants have been detected entering the UK, and the weather was pretty grim last week.0 -
Yes. I know what was discussed today and nothing came of it save gloating by the usual suspects in blue and no indication that anyone has any constructive solutions. Given the view of the Tories towards any sort of deal with Europe, “the only think the EU understands is pain”, the idea of cooperation from this Government on this is laughable. Sunak wants the Reform votes and cooperation with Johnny Foreigner isn’t on the menu.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There was a meeting with the Irish and UK governments today when the UK rejected the idea of accepting returning asylum seekers without a similar agreement with FranceDougSeal said:
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
This is not going away, and it is likely to be discussed at EU and French levels and maybe we could see a united attempt by all parties to stop the boats and address the wider issue of asylum seekers and Europe's own border problems0 -
If you've got the right sense of humour, there's plenty of it on both sides.DavidL said:
Am I alone in finding it morbidly funny that those who shout loudest about sending immigrants back to that "safe country" France are also the most indignant that the Irish might want their immigrants to come back here?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There was a meeting with the Irish and UK governments today when the UK rejected the idea of accepting returning asylum seekers without a similar agreement with FranceDougSeal said:
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
This is not going away, and it is likely to be discussed at EU and French levels and maybe we could see a united attempt by all parties to stop the boats and address the wider issue of asylum seekers and Europe's own border problems
I'm seeing people on Twatter, Reddit etc arguing that declaring countries safe by fiat of the executive is Good For Us, Bad for You. On both sides. Also, shovelling spare refugees around is awesome when it's done by People I Like. Also bigotry against refugees is just terrible. Apart from the odd bit of protesting of hostels etc by My Side.
I suspect that O'Leary will be flying Rwanda flights. From Dublin.
Anyone up for my idea to stop the boats?0 -
It's reasonable if we want the principle of "sending the migrants back from where they've come", that should apply to any illegal immigrant seeking to enter Ireland from Britain as it would any illegal immigrant seeking to enter Britain from either France or Ireland.DavidL said:
Am I alone in finding it morbidly funny that those who shout loudest about sending immigrants back to that "safe country" France are also the most indignant that the Irish might want their immigrants to come back here?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There was a meeting with the Irish and UK governments today when the UK rejected the idea of accepting returning asylum seekers without a similar agreement with FranceDougSeal said:
This is a policy designed to “stop the boats”. That’s a bit different to scaring those who’ve already got here to leave for Ireland. Which is what it might have done thus far. In doing so to cause a diplomatic bust up with our neighbours - but I guess that’s also a positive in Tory eyes, even though quite how it helps anyone resolve the issue I have no idea. Doubtless Tories think those Frogs and Paddies will see sense soon and change policy to suit us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
This is not going away, and it is likely to be discussed at EU and French levels and maybe we could see a united attempt by all parties to stop the boats and address the wider issue of asylum seekers and Europe's own border problems
Expanding this issue to the island of Ireland isn't going to make it go away and indeed sets up more expense and trouble for us (and the Irish).0 -
Migrants in France can't get to Ireland by sea, and as Ireland is not in Shengen, their best route has always been via UK.stodge said:
This is a classic example of trying to move a problem without resolving it. Presumably said migrants can enter Ireland from France so we might end up having refugee camps on the Irish border instead of Calais which will presuambly mean we'll have to waste time and resources strengthening that border as migrants use that as another option.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
Perhaps we'll need naval patrols in the Irish Sea to deter those trying to cross from Ireland.
What is the "plan"? Deterrence presumably but if we get hundreds coming in during the summer from France AND Ireland along with those already here how many are we realistically going to be able to send to Kigali?0 -
I would be quite surprised if she could form a cabinet just now if she did go for it. She's young enough and competent enough to bide her time though - if there is a whiff of the SNP shifting even a few steps to the right she could take her chance.Cicero said:
Kate Forbes problem may not be the Greens, but large chunks of the SNP.Theuniondivvie said:
Crystal clear? Have things changed in the last couple of days?DavidL said:
She didn't lose to Yousaf, she lost to Nicola and her husband and their iron grip on the party at that time. That grip is now gone.algarkirk said:
Not a fan, as I oppose her central, independence, policy, but I think she has colossal potential to be a very good leader. She only just lost to Yousef (52/48) which, given the flak she gets for her unfashionable views on 'personal conscience' matters, was pretty good.Stuartinromford said:Question for Forbes Fans:
Given that she's the One Who Lost To Hamza Yousaf, wouldn't the omens for her ascension be pretty poor?
Ask the question: Who do the Labour and Conservative parties want and not want? I think they both don't want Forbes.
Ask the question: Who would you have if you want a really broad cross section of Scots to take independence seriously? For that I think she is in the frame.
Like you I fundamentally oppose the independence policy but I still rate her highly. She seems competent in a sort of old fashioned way that we haven't seen for a while. I'd like to try competence, after all we have tried everything else.
Her problem is that she has made it crystal clear that she has absolutely no time for the Greens and it is mutual. What these last few days have shown is that in this Parliament at least you cannot have a stable government without them. Unless you can get one of the Unionist parties to play and I don't see how she sells that to her party. The Greens at least pretend to be for independence.
'She wrote: "Let us get away from the language of who is and who is not acceptable to work with. For example, well before and during the Bute House Agreement, Patrick Harvie and I worked together – that is no secret. The question therefore isn’t whether my world is big enough to embrace the Greens – it is. The question is whether their world is big enough to embrace me. I hope and believe it is."'
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They can't get from France to Ireland, except by going through the UK - you're not going to get a RIB that far.stodge said:
This is a classic example of trying to move a problem without resolving it. Presumably said migrants can enter Ireland from France so we might end up having refugee camps on the Irish border instead of Calais which will presuambly mean we'll have to waste time and resources strengthening that border as migrants use that as another option.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
Perhaps we'll need naval patrols in the Irish Sea to deter those trying to cross from Ireland.
What is the "plan"? Deterrence presumably but if we get hundreds coming in during the summer from France AND Ireland along with those already here how many are we realistically going to be able to send to Kigali?0 -
Then Ireland should put pressure on France to 'stop the boats'.Foxy said:
Migrants in France can't get to Ireland by sea, and as Ireland is not in Shengen, their best route has always been via UK.stodge said:
This is a classic example of trying to move a problem without resolving it. Presumably said migrants can enter Ireland from France so we might end up having refugee camps on the Irish border instead of Calais which will presuambly mean we'll have to waste time and resources strengthening that border as migrants use that as another option.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
Perhaps we'll need naval patrols in the Irish Sea to deter those trying to cross from Ireland.
What is the "plan"? Deterrence presumably but if we get hundreds coming in during the summer from France AND Ireland along with those already here how many are we realistically going to be able to send to Kigali?
Something like the Rwanda scheme could well end up as an EU-wide policy, and all the people who are calling it unconscionable will suddenly decide that it's sensible and the right thing to do.1 -
Depends on the awareness of Rwanda (among other things) in the refugee camps around Calais. Plus you are there and desperate.Foxy said:
It doesn't seem a credible argument that asylum seekers are so afraid of Rwanda that they are desperate to get to Ireland, yet 500 more are so unbothered by the threat to arrive by small boat over the last weekend, and record arrivals for the first 4 months of 2024 despite the foul weather.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ITV news tonight interviewed asylum seekers in Ireland and they were unanimous about their fear of RwandaCasino_Royale said:
I just find this absolutely hilarious.Andy_JS said:"The war of words has intensified between the UK and Irish governments over the possible effects of the Rwanda policy.
Ireland’s deputy prime minister said people are crossing the border from Northern Ireland as they are afraid of being sent to Rwanda.
The Irish government is preparing emergency legislation that will allow people to be sent back to the UK.
But Rishi Sunak said he was “not interested” in any sort of returns deal if the European Union did not allow the UK to send back asylum seekers who had arrived from France."
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-is-the-uks-rwanda-asylum-plan-impacting-ireland
Brilliant, in fact, on so many levels.
Ha.
ITV also said a Labour party spokesperson confirmed they would scrap the scheme on election notwithstanding this developments
It doesn't add up.
Leicester 1 nil up. Looks like we are going up as Champions.0
