What’s this going to do to the May results? – politicalbetting.com
Police are to investigate whether Angela Rayner complied with the law around registering on the electoral roll before she became an MP. Last month, Rayner told @nicholaswatt she was a victim of a smear over whether she should have paid tax on the sale of her house. #Newsnight pic.twitter.com/LpES7DCzO5
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First like Arsenal.0
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Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.7 -
The utter mediocrity and cowardice of British business "leaders" being laid bare at the Post Office Inquiry.
The British establishment in a nutshell.2 -
Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/1 -
Teesport and Raynergate are about as diametric as political corruption could be. One is a name on the wrong property on the electoral role, the other is millions of pounds from the public purse being handed (legitimately it would seem, in our mixed up World) to political and business associates.RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.
Mone, and Rayner do seem to prove that the full force of the law does apply if one grew up on a council estate.2 -
Answering the question: zero impact.0
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Cameron has been a vast improvement in terms of foreign policy clarity and substantially improving the reading age of the Cabinet. Nonetheless the bar started low and you and Osborne would be wise to stock up on Kleenex.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/0 -
I agree with the header and expect Rayner will not be charged
The only problem as can be seen now on the media is Starmer, and all Labour spokespersons, will be asked about it incessantly
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The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun1 -
You miss the 5 million wasted trying to strong arm TD ports into paying them an extortion fee because someone can’t read a map correctly and thought that had created a random stripMexicanpete said:
Teesport and Raynergate are about as diametric as political corruption could be. One is a name on the wrong property on the electoral role, the other is millions of pounds from the public purse being handed (legitimately it would seem, in our mixed up World) to political and business associates.RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.
Mone, and Rayner do seem to prove that the full force of the law does apply if one grew up on a council estate.
Reality was they lost on every point and the total bill is likely to be millions in legal costs
To add what is really weird is that Labour don’t seem to want to mention how corrupt Ben Houchen has been only the Lib Dem leaflet has mentioned it so far2 -
Electoral roll!Mexicanpete said:
Teesport and Raynergate are about as diametric as political corruption could be. One is a name on the wrong property on the electoral role, the other is millions of pounds from the public purse being handed (legitimately it would seem, in our mixed up World) to political and business associates.RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.
Mone, and Rayner do seem to prove that the full force of the law does apply if one grew up on a council estate.0 -
D'you remember Siobhan Benita? She was an independent candidate for London mayor in 2012, coming 5th (good for a minor candidate). She then joined the LibDems and was going to be the LibDem London mayoral candidate in 2020, but pulled out when the mayoral vote got postponed to 2021, by which time she'd fallen out with the LibDems and endorsed the Rejoin EU candidate.
Anyway, she's just endorsed Sadiq Khan this time around on the grounds that (a) Susan Hall is awful, and (b) the voting system is now FPTP: https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/siobhan-benita-liberal-democrat-candidate-sadiq-khan-mayoral-election-b1150816.html
She repeats the narrative that maybe Hall could win. I ain't buying it.1 -
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?2 -
Kier's deputy. That Reyna?Anabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?4 -
Greggs now do a vegan electoral roll.Mexicanpete said:
Electoral roll!Mexicanpete said:
Teesport and Raynergate are about as diametric as political corruption could be. One is a name on the wrong property on the electoral role, the other is millions of pounds from the public purse being handed (legitimately it would seem, in our mixed up World) to political and business associates.RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.
Mone, and Rayner do seem to prove that the full force of the law does apply if one grew up on a council estate.4 -
Are there ever any successful prosecutions for being on the electoral register at an address wrongly? The only cases which ever come to light concern politicians (usually local councillors) following a complaint by a member of an opposing political party.0
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The top line was a cut and paste of a tweetAnabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?0 -
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
There’s precisely no chance of Trump meeting with - checks notes - David Lammy.0 -
Oh how we laughed.Mexicanpete said:
Kier's deputy. That Reyna?Anabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?
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Lammy might be unavailable as he awaits his Ofcom fate. Meanwhile at GB News it's business as usual...Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
There’s precisely no chance of Trump meeting with - checks notes - David Lammy.0 -
So what?eek said:
The top line was a cut and paste of a tweetAnabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?0 -
Well, probably not, but on the other hand it's a pretty horrific prospect, and why take the chance?bondegezou said:D'you remember Siobhan Benita? She was an independent candidate for London mayor in 2012, coming 5th (good for a minor candidate). She then joined the LibDems and was going to be the LibDem London mayoral candidate in 2020, but pulled out when the mayoral vote got postponed to 2021, by which time she'd fallen out with the LibDems and endorsed the Rejoin EU candidate.
Anyway, she's just endorsed Sadiq Khan this time around on the grounds that (a) Susan Hall is awful, and (b) the voting system is now FPTP: https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/siobhan-benita-liberal-democrat-candidate-sadiq-khan-mayoral-election-b1150816.html
She repeats the narrative that maybe Hall could win. I ain't buying it.1 -
What’s he done to attract the attention of OFCOM?Mexicanpete said:...
Lammy might be unavailable as he awaits his Ofcom fate. Meanwhile at GB News it's business as usual...Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
There’s precisely no chance of Trump meeting with - checks notes - David Lammy.0 -
I tried to look at this recently and, best I can tell, it's very, very few and what Rayner appears to be accused of doing is below the threshold for prosecution.sbjme19 said:Are there ever any successful prosecutions for being on the electoral register at an address wrongly? The only cases which ever come to light concern politicians (usually local councillors) following a complaint by a member of an opposing political party.
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He won't, but I do wonder if he might persuade his own ex-PM to continue the rolE Lord Cameron is doing. Lord Brown or, could we even see Lord Blair taking on FS?Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.0 -
Mediocrity is way overgenerous.Cyclefree said:The utter mediocrity and cowardice of British business "leaders" being laid bare at the Post Office Inquiry.
The British establishment in a nutshell.
I wouldn't have paid Crozier in washers; let alone the million or so he was remunerated.
Incidentally, Crozier and C(r)ook rather well suggests Vennells...2 -
You said I couldn’t spell Rayner - I was pointing out I didn’t pick up the misspelling because I had copied the fact from elsewhere and didn’t notice it was wrong.Anabobazina said:
So what?eek said:
The top line was a cut and paste of a tweetAnabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?
The actual point is still valid though - the police have been asked to investigate something that is time barred so it’s just a waste of their time for political reasons. Hence the person making the complaint should be prosecuted for wasting police time and presented with the bill for the cost of the wasted investigation2 -
An interesting prospect, although I suspect that Blair, who’s 71 next month, has rather too many external interests to be able to drop. Brown is 73, and I suspect now quite happily retired.GIN1138 said:
He won't, but I do wonder if he might persuade his own ex-PM to continue the rolE Lord Cameron is doing. Lord Brown or, could we even see Lord Blair taking on FS?Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
It’s undoubtedly a good idea though, to use a former PM as an international ambassador. Cameron could get a meeting with pretty much anyone in the world next week, if he wanted it, which a massive display of British soft power.1 -
Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government0
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Hopefully, that will never matter.Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
There’s precisely no chance of Trump meeting with - checks notes - David Lammy.0 -
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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Rayner's election role is at risk.Mexicanpete said:
Electoral roll!Mexicanpete said:
Teesport and Raynergate are about as diametric as political corruption could be. One is a name on the wrong property on the electoral role, the other is millions of pounds from the public purse being handed (legitimately it would seem, in our mixed up World) to political and business associates.RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
Sounds credible if you think GBeebies is news.
Mone, and Rayner do seem to prove that the full force of the law does apply if one grew up on a council estate.0 -
Another straw in the wind. He had a majority of 20.4 thousand at the last election.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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I believe he announced (on his radio show) that OJ had died ?Sandpit said:
What’s he done to attract the attention of OFCOM?Mexicanpete said:...
Lammy might be unavailable as he awaits his Ofcom fate. Meanwhile at GB News it's business as usual...Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
There’s precisely no chance of Trump meeting with - checks notes - David Lammy.
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He's getting a job as an unusually well qualified handyman ?Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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Perhaps retraining with a view to doing that.Nigelb said:
He's getting a job as an unusually well qualified handyman ?Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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Apropos of nothing at all...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/17
17 False accounting.
(1)Where a person dishonestly, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another,—
(a)destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purpose; or
(b)in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such record or document as aforesaid, which to his knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular;
he shall, on conviction on indictment, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years.
(2)For purposes of this section a person who makes or concurs in making in an account or other document an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or who omits or concurs in omitting a material particular from an account or other document, is to be treated as falsifying the account or document...0 -
It's a six-month waiting period I believe.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
October 10th election, first day at the new job on Monday 14th, six months and two days after resigning?1 -
Some 8 million people in the UK are by some estimates all committing an offence at this moment by failing to register to vote or failing to update the place at which they are registered to vote from a previous address. I put the Rayner matter on a par with that, except that she may well not even have committed an offence. If she were eventually charged, it would still take a long time to be resolved in the courts, and by that time the GE would be long gone, such is the snails pace at which our overloaded court system is now working. So what's the point of it all exactly?
It is telling that the Conservative Party is more concerned to secure charges in this case than to press for action on the sort of matters which the general public might really wish to be prioritised. An example of the latter is the need to bring charges against vastly overpaid senior managers in a publically owned company who all appear to have perjured themselves in order to put innocent people in jail, probably in collusion with civil servants and possibly even government ministers.2 -
I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/2 -
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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I am aware of two unsuccessful cases of prosecution for failure to register to vote which Sandwell Council brought several decades ago, only because at the time they were being cited as just about the only cases anyone was aware of and stood out by being apparently unique.bondegezou said:
I tried to look at this recently and, best I can tell, it's very, very few and what Rayner appears to be accused of doing is below the threshold for prosecution.sbjme19 said:Are there ever any successful prosecutions for being on the electoral register at an address wrongly? The only cases which ever come to light concern politicians (usually local councillors) following a complaint by a member of an opposing political party.
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Yes. I can't find anything about six months. No lobbying within two years, and they ought to ask permission within two years. So the rules aren't that strict really.Chris said:
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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A potentially rather revealing decision with a majority above 20k (38%). Perhaps he genuinely wasn't that happy being a minister and wanted to return to just being a constituency MP. But it feels like nervousness even with a large majority.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
He's 62 but hasn't indicated an intention to stand down, and it appears he'd like at least one more term.0 -
I suspect it's rather more likely to be about trying to keep his seat. Labour needs a swing of a little over 19% to winkle him out. It's certainly possible on current polls, but 19% is a big swing and his bum may be squeaking but probably isn't fully evacuating as yet.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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A million washers would have been serious money....Nigelb said:
Mediocrity is way overgenerous.Cyclefree said:The utter mediocrity and cowardice of British business "leaders" being laid bare at the Post Office Inquiry.
The British establishment in a nutshell.
I wouldn't have paid Crozier in washers; let alone the million or so he was remunerated.
Incidentally, Crozier and C(r)ook rather well suggests Vennells...0 -
Starmer's top team has very little ministerial experience. If not Blair or Brown, perhaps Mandelson? He's a peer anyway so could be slotted into the cabinet somewhere. I think Cameron benefited from persuading Ken Clarke to return to govt, firstly as Justice Sec, and then with a roving brief as Minister without Portfolio. Worth considering.Sandpit said:
An interesting prospect, although I suspect that Blair, who’s 71 next month, has rather too many external interests to be able to drop. Brown is 73, and I suspect now quite happily retired.GIN1138 said:
He won't, but I do wonder if he might persuade his own ex-PM to continue the rolE Lord Cameron is doing. Lord Brown or, could we even see Lord Blair taking on FS?Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.
It’s undoubtedly a good idea though, to use a former PM as an international ambassador. Cameron could get a meeting with pretty much anyone in the world next week, if he wanted it, which a massive display of British soft power.1 -
FS = F*ck's Sake?GIN1138 said:
He won't, but I do wonder if he might persuade his own ex-PM to continue the rolE Lord Cameron is doing. Lord Brown or, could we even see Lord Blair taking on FS?Sandpit said:
I said on here the other day, that the one unequivocally good decision that Sunak has made as PM, was to persuade Dave back to be the country’s top diplomat.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/
Not only will he go and meet with anyone anywhere, but everyone else will take the meeting with the former PM.
I do wonder if Starmer might actually want to keep him on, at least for a few months.0 -
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/1 -
Hilarious. The Tory press think winning on attacking someone for selling their ex-council house is a winning strategy.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
People who care are divided into three:
People who will be reminded of their resentment over lack of council housing and it being sold off cheaply.
People whose net worth and their friends and families net worth is significantly down to selling ex council houses, often with what they considered minor shenanigans.
Hardcore Tory press readership.
This is another self inflicted vote loser for the Tories. At least Corbyn was winning some voters whilst polarising more against him. This lot just shed votes here and there and everywhere each month.1 -
...well, if the cap fits...darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/0 -
Doesn’t Farage get an audience with Trump anytime he likes? Perhaps he should be FS.TheScreamingEagles said:Osborne: Cameron is going to meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get
The former chancellor believes his old ally is acting like the prime minister and has ‘upgraded Britain’s clout’
Lord Cameron is “acting like the British prime minister” on the world stage, George Osborne has said.
Mr Osborne said that the ex-prime minister had “upgraded Britain’s foreign policy clout” since becoming Foreign Secretary in November.
He added that Lord Cameron was “getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get”, citing his recent visit to Mar-a-Lago to visit Donald Trump, the former US president.
Speaking on his Political Currency podcast, Mr Osborne said: “On the world stage, Cameron is acting like the British prime minister, which he was, and he’s getting the kind of meetings that no normal British foreign secretary would get.
“There’s no way that James Cleverly, or Liz Truss before him when she was foreign secretary, would have had dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago.”
The Foreign Secretary made the trip to the Florida residence of the former US president, who is hoping to return to the White House, earlier this week to discuss the war in Ukraine, Nato and the Middle East.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/david-cameron-acting-like-british-pm-says-george-osborne/2 -
Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
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In comic Space News
Virgin Galactic (purveyor of dangerous, falling apart, rocket planes that kinda of get near space) is suing Boeing
"Virgin, in its suit, claims that Boeing performed “shoddy and incomplete” work on the initial phases of the project, which included an integrated baseline review (IBR) and preliminary design review (PDR). Neither review was acceptable, Virgin stated.
“The quality of the IBR Boeing conducted was so poor that Virgin Galactic and Boeing agreed that Boeing was required to redo the review,” the complaint states. The second IBR was even worse, Virgin said, providing less than half of the required deliverables, and failed to include items such as organization charts, a program execution plan and risk management process.
Virgin’s complaint states that in the subsequent PDR, Boeing provided only 348 of the required 580 “artifacts,” or items of intellectual property and supporting analyses required. “These 348 artifacts were of such poor quality that only sixty percent (60%) of them had any value,” Virgin stated. “These missing artifacts related to critical aspects of the Mothership program, including avionics, design, flight physics, propulsion, stress engineering, vehicle sub-systems, and material and process.”
“Boeing’s failures with respect to its agreement with Virgin Galactic are consistent with Boeing’s record of poor quality control and mismanagement,” the complaint concluded."
LOL
https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-countersues-boeing-about-mothership-project/0 -
Surely the implication has always been that it's not just a case of failure to register to vote at the correct address, but something connected with the "right to buy" provisions. If the police are investigating, probably best to wait for the result of that.Wulfrun_Phil said:
I am aware of two unsuccessful cases of prosecution for failure to register to vote which Sandwell Council brought several decades ago, only because at the time they were being cited as just about the only cases anyone was aware of and stood out by being apparently unique.bondegezou said:
I tried to look at this recently and, best I can tell, it's very, very few and what Rayner appears to be accused of doing is below the threshold for prosecution.sbjme19 said:Are there ever any successful prosecutions for being on the electoral register at an address wrongly? The only cases which ever come to light concern politicians (usually local councillors) following a complaint by a member of an opposing political party.
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A bit like Teresa May in fact.Mexicanpete said:
Kier's deputy. That Reyna?Anabobazina said:
It’s Rayner. R A Y N E R.eek said:The time bar for Scully's complaint about Angela Raynor is 12 months from the commission of the alleged offence i.e. a year after delivery of her candidacy form. So this complaint is a decade out of date
So can Scully be prosecuted for wasting police time and it’s good to see that the best campaign story / argument / idea is to desperately attack someone for no valdi reason because Guido thinks it’s fun
Why can’t PBers, for all their purported intelligence, GCSEs, A-Levels and degrees, even manage to spell the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party’s name?0 -
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.4 -
"Making Roads Safer" is an unprecedented interest for someone in Sunk's Government.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I suspect it's rather more likely to be about trying to keep his seat. Labour needs a swing of a little over 19% to winkle him out. It's certainly possible on current polls, but 19% is a big swing and his bum may be squeaking but probably isn't fully evacuating as yet.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
Is there a serious reason? (genuine question)0 -
At 62, his post-political career might be a bit short. It's not a great point at which to become an ex-MP to be blunt. There will be quite a lot floating about, and many will be substantially younger and with longer ministerial CVs. He could really do with eking out another term as an MP.Chris said:
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
People overestimate how many doors it opens to be a relatively nondescript, long in the tooth, ex-MP from a party which isn't in office. If someone gives him a job, it'll be a bit of a favour really.0 -
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
Friend of mine is a pilot and reckons the British have simply become used to crappy standards. Our hotels are invariably shit and over-priced shit at that. (He’s a British patriot by the way.)
[Waits for Casino Royale to cast doubt on whether I actually have a friend who is a pilot]1 -
Apparently Liz Truss’ musings on her short lived Premiership are being serialised in the Mail. Judging by this article it probably won’t be doing her any favours.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13289877/amp/queen-elizabeth-advice-liz-truss-revealed.html0 -
What's HTB in that context?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
I know lots of HTB acronyms, but none that would make sense there.0 -
This should be the fastest investigation ever. The only way I can see she has broken electoral law would be if she gave her residential address as her pre-marital one, but had let out out said pre-marital home.Chris said:
Surely the implication has always been that it's not just a case of failure to register to vote at the correct address, but something connected with the "right to buy" provisions. If the police are investigating, probably best to wait for the result of that.Wulfrun_Phil said:
I am aware of two unsuccessful cases of prosecution for failure to register to vote which Sandwell Council brought several decades ago, only because at the time they were being cited as just about the only cases anyone was aware of and stood out by being apparently unique.bondegezou said:
I tried to look at this recently and, best I can tell, it's very, very few and what Rayner appears to be accused of doing is below the threshold for prosecution.sbjme19 said:Are there ever any successful prosecutions for being on the electoral register at an address wrongly? The only cases which ever come to light concern politicians (usually local councillors) following a complaint by a member of an opposing political party.
The CGT investigation also doesn't seem to have any legs as, even if she moved in full time with husband, that wouldn't mean that she would lose her CGT allowance on her pre-marital home - just a proportion of it.
Unless the government levelling up agenda has been so successful that there is now no crime in the North, some people should be charged with wasting police time.0 -
Perhaps we should start an appeal or something?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
At 62, his post-political career might be a bit short. It's not a great point at which to become an ex-MP to be blunt. There will be quite a lot floating about, and many will be substantially younger and with longer ministerial CVs. He could really do with eking out another term as an MP.Chris said:
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
People overestimate how many doors it opens to be a relatively nondescript, long in the tooth, ex-MP from a party which isn't in office. If someone gives him a job, it'll be a bit of a favour really.0 -
On matters Scotch not sure if it's been already mentioned but Humza's run of council by-election fails has continued. And this time it was in a ward the SNP really should have won - Inverness South - in Drew Hendry's seat. LibDems surged past them, although an Independent actually won.
I had thought Hendry's seat, Inverness, Skye & Wester Ross, would be an SNP banker at the GE (one of the few), but I'm not so sure now. If the LibDems can persuade unionists they are the main challengers it could be close. There is a real sense that the Highlands are being neglected by ScotGov and its quite possible the voters will wreak some kind of vengeance. That said, I would still put Hendry as favourite, as I don't think the Tory vote will crumble to the extent it would need to. But remember, up til 2015 this area was represented by Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy.
This is the actual result (First Prefs):
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
And this is the result if you take out the Independent and add his second prefs to the parties - makes it even worse for SNP:
Lib Dem 856 25.9% +12.0%
SNP 695 21.0% -20.0%
Conservative 650 19.7% -2.3%
Labour 447 13.5% +3.8%
Green 272 8.2% +1.4%
Alba 135 4.1% +1.8%
Sovereignty 66 2.0% New
Non-transferrable 184 5.6% +1.3%
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Uh? Has that transposed itself from a different message that someone else made?MattW said:
What's HTB in that context?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
I know lots of HTB acronyms, but none that would make sense there.
HTB? Holy Trinity Brompton?
Edit: Oh!!!!!!!!!!!! The HTB daubed on the tube train!!! Haha. Good spot.
I don’t know?0 -
Just not recently?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.0 -
That’s a potentially more likely explanation of the issue, which if true leaves her in real trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/0 -
From the previous thread on London house prices, based on ONS data I calculate that - in real (inflation-adjusted) terms - average house prices are at their lowest level since 2014. And are down 20% from their peak.
The main difference is interest rates are materially higher. And real house prices have still got a long way to fall to reach their levels from periods with comparable interest rates.
I think there's plenty of scope for them to fall further as more people come off low-cost fixed-rate mortgages.1 -
As a matter of interest how would you describe the independent candidate politically ?Burgessian said:On matters Scotch not sure if it's been already mentioned but Humza's run of council by-election fails has continued. And this time it was in a ward the SNP really should have won - Inverness South - in Drew Hendry's seat. LibDems surged past them, although an Independent actually won.
I had thought Hendry's seat, Inverness, Skye & Wester Ross, would be an SNP banker at the GE (one of the few), but I'm not so sure now. If the LibDems can persuade unionists they are the main challengers it could be close. There is a real sense that the Highlands are being neglected by ScotGov and its quite possible the voters will wreak some kind of vengeance. That said, I would still put Hendry as favourite, as I don't think the Tory vote will crumble to the extent it would need to. But remember, up til 2015 this area was represented by Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy.
This is the actual result (First Prefs):
Ind 22.1 % ( new Indy)
LD 19.7% (+11.1)
SNP 19.4% (-15.8)
Con 16.1% (-0.8)
Lab 11% (+3.7)
Green 7.2% (+1.8)
Alba 3.2% (+1.3)
Sov 1.2% ( new)
And this is the result if you take out the Independent and add his second prefs to the parties - makes it even worse for SNP:
Lib Dem 856 25.9% +12.0%
SNP 695 21.0% -20.0%
Conservative 650 19.7% -2.3%
Labour 447 13.5% +3.8%
Green 272 8.2% +1.4%
Alba 135 4.1% +1.8%
Sovereignty 66 2.0% New
Non-transferrable 184 5.6% +1.3%0 -
Fairly. I mean, rather than being slightly snippy (or at least that’s how this sensitive gal reads it) might it help if you explain where you’re coming from? Are you suggesting that London has deteriorated? If so, I’m inclined to agree I’ve got to say. I was up in Tottenham the other day with my son and again the week before and apart from the incredible stadium I can’t say things have improved much. I spent a week in town over Easter and it’s a great city but it’s not exactly cleanChris said:
Just not recently?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I could really get into a rant about how rubbish Heathrow is but I’ll spare y’all!0 -
They'd go after her if they thought she forgot to feed the school hamster when she was 7.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
NB that the right-wing Tory media have alreadfy provided excellent evidence, in the form of timing of applications for adaptation of the later house for a disabled family member, that there was indeed a valid overlap period when the family were using both houses.0 -
Pretty reasonable thing to do according to the high court:darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/21/protesters-iain-duncan-smith-tory-scum-reasonable-court-rules0 -
Well, the serious reason is keeping his seat, I suspect.MattW said:
"Making Roads Safer" is an unprecedented interest for someone in Sunk's Government.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I suspect it's rather more likely to be about trying to keep his seat. Labour needs a swing of a little over 19% to winkle him out. It's certainly possible on current polls, but 19% is a big swing and his bum may be squeaking but probably isn't fully evacuating as yet.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
Is there a serious reason? (genuine question)
But the accident rate is quite high in Beverley and Holderness so I imagine it's the sort of issue that excites a fair few people in his area. It's perhaps not wildly surprising - large area, quite a few A-roads without dual carriageways or central reservations. Quite rural so ambulance take a while. So there is probably an issue with speed and crashes can presumably be pretty nasty in terms of consequences when they happen. Data here:
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Looks right posh compared to some bits of my manor.Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
Friend of mine is a pilot and reckons the British have simply become used to crappy standards. Our hotels are invariably shit and over-priced shit at that. (He’s a British patriot by the way.)
[Waits for Casino Royale to cast doubt on whether I actually have a friend who is a pilot]
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That'll be the Boys Brigade from HTB. Out every evening to create havoc while singing 'Onward Christian Soldiers'.Heathener said:
Uh? Has that transposed itself from a different message that someone else made?MattW said:
What's HTB in that context?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
I know lots of HTB acronyms, but none that would make sense there.
HTB? Holy Trinity Brompton?
Edit: Oh!!!!!!!!!!!! The HTB daubed on the tube train!!! Haha. Good spot.
I don’t know?0 -
Foxy said:
Looks right posh compared to some bits of my manor.Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
Friend of mine is a pilot and reckons the British have simply become used to crappy standards. Our hotels are invariably shit and over-priced shit at that. (He’s a British patriot by the way.)
[Waits for Casino Royale to cast doubt on whether I actually have a friend who is a pilot]
We dream of grubby public transport...
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a go fund me page perhaps?Chris said:
Perhaps we should start an appeal or something?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
At 62, his post-political career might be a bit short. It's not a great point at which to become an ex-MP to be blunt. There will be quite a lot floating about, and many will be substantially younger and with longer ministerial CVs. He could really do with eking out another term as an MP.Chris said:
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
People overestimate how many doors it opens to be a relatively nondescript, long in the tooth, ex-MP from a party which isn't in office. If someone gives him a job, it'll be a bit of a favour really.0 -
Anyway, moan over. I’ll leave the thread to get back to Angela.
I quite like her but I don’t know anyone else who does.
I didn’t actually realise you ‘have’ to put yourself on the electoral register. That would certainly encourage me to refuse to do so. The anti-State libertine in me objects. I may have mentioned before that I refused to fill in the census for similar reasons.0 -
To be honest, as another poster has just said , best to wait the outcome of the police investigationCarnyx said:
They'd go after her if they thought she forgot to feed the school hamster when she was 7.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
NB that the right-wing Tory media have alreadfy provided excellent evidence, in the form of timing of applications for adaptation of the later house for a disabled family member, that there was indeed a valid overlap period when the family were using both houses.
We can speculate as much as we want but we simply do not know the circumstances of the investigation but we will once the police conclude their investigation
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Will the serialisation last longer than her time in No 10?ToryJim said:Apparently Liz Truss’ musings on her short lived Premiership are being serialised in the Mail. Judging by this article it probably won’t be doing her any favours.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13289877/amp/queen-elizabeth-advice-liz-truss-revealed.html
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Welcome back @Heathener
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The last few years have seen unprecedented rises in immigration in London. What are you trying to say here.Heathener said:
Fairly. I mean, rather than being slightly snippy (or at least that’s how this sensitive gal reads it) might it help if you explain where you’re coming from? Are you suggesting that London has deteriorated? If so, I’m inclined to agree I’ve got to say. I was up in Tottenham the other day with my son and again the week before and apart from the incredible stadium I can’t say things have improved much. I spent a week in town over Easter and it’s a great city but it’s not exactly cleanChris said:
Just not recently?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I could really get into a rant about how rubbish Heathrow is but I’ll spare y’all!
Edit: JUST A BIT OF FUN EVERYONE FFS CALM DOWN.0 -
Sweet. Thanks. I often check in here in the mornings, rarely during the day. I seem to be ridiculously busy these days but I also take fright when things get too hot for me to handleBatteryCorrectHorse said:Welcome back @Heathener
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I'm more struck by how contrary his programme is to Tory policy. No wonder he has jacked it in, he must be in despair.Daveyboy1961 said:
a go fund me page perhaps?Chris said:
Perhaps we should start an appeal or something?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
At 62, his post-political career might be a bit short. It's not a great point at which to become an ex-MP to be blunt. There will be quite a lot floating about, and many will be substantially younger and with longer ministerial CVs. He could really do with eking out another term as an MP.Chris said:
I think there is a two-year rule. Perhaps he calculated he could optimise his income by relinquishing the ministerial salary now, with a view to starting his post-political career sooner.bondegezou said:
I'd guess this is about the rules around ex-ministers taking jobs. If he resigns from government now, when he loses re-election, he can go straight into a job where they want him for being an ex-minister.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
People overestimate how many doors it opens to be a relatively nondescript, long in the tooth, ex-MP from a party which isn't in office. If someone gives him a job, it'll be a bit of a favour really.
Roads safer - smart M-ways and banning LTN and going all wokehunter on 20mph. Broadband? More like trying to control the net. More dentists and GPs, forsooth. And they've just told many flooded farmers that their land isn't flooded because not next to a river. Not sure about the defibrils though.0 -
So the kind of basic, common sense tasks a government should actually be fixing? I can see why he felt he could no longer be part of the government.Chris said:
BBC: "he wanted to concentrate on issues such as making roads safer, broadband delivery, improving access to dentistry and healthcare, working with farmers on flooding, and increasing the number of defibrillators in his constituency"eek said:Energy Minister Graham Stuart has resigned from Rishi Sunak’s government
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Is a translation available ?RochdalePioneers said:Tory media think that faced with the crumbling collapse of their town, people who had resolved to vote out the Tories will now think again. "That Rayner is a bad'un, think how bad things would be if her party ran our town? Best vote for the Lord Houchen of Teesport and never again ask where all our money has gone"
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So Truss' musings about her premiership will go on for longer than the premiership itself.ToryJim said:Apparently Liz Truss’ musings on her short lived Premiership are being serialised in the Mail. Judging by this article it probably won’t be doing her any favours.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13289877/amp/queen-elizabeth-advice-liz-truss-revealed.html2 -
Lock her up!darkage said:
Rayner didn't do herself any favours with the 'tory scum' comments a few years ago. It reflected the attitude of a large part of the labour party and its MP's (if not the leader) and is still a big off putting factor for me when thinking about who to vote for.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
(How many times in a day am I allowed to write that?)
I mentioned this last week. In Rayner world I don't believe "scum" is as offensive as Tories understood it to be. When JRM claims people are trogladites or plebians, I suspect in his world that is as offensive in design as "scum" was for Rayner.1 -
Quite right, Big G. Best not to speculate through multiple posts, or link to speculation elsewhere, for example on Guido.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest, as another poster has just said , best to wait the outcome of the police investigationCarnyx said:
They'd go after her if they thought she forgot to feed the school hamster when she was 7.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know it is Guido but this may explain the police involvement in what appears to be a minor infringement
I simply cannot believe it is just where she lived for electoral purposes
https://order-order.com/people/angela-rayner/
NB that the right-wing Tory media have alreadfy provided excellent evidence, in the form of timing of applications for adaptation of the later house for a disabled family member, that there was indeed a valid overlap period when the family were using both houses.
We can speculate as much as we want but we simply do not know the circumstances of the investigation but we will once the police conclude their investigation
You wouldn't do that, would you?5 -
It just didn't look anything out of the ordinary to me. No doubt other people can chip in.Heathener said:
Fairly. I mean, rather than being slightly snippy (or at least that’s how this sensitive gal reads it) might it help if you explain where you’re coming from? Are you suggesting that London has deteriorated? If so, I’m inclined to agree I’ve got to say. I was up in Tottenham the other day with my son and again the week before and apart from the incredible stadium I can’t say things have improved much. I spent a week in town over Easter and it’s a great city but it’s not exactly cleanChris said:
Just not recently?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I could really get into a rant about how rubbish Heathrow is but I’ll spare y’all!0 -
Lettuce romaine in suspense, it's fun!FF43 said:
So Truss' musings about her premiership will go on for longer than the premiership itself.ToryJim said:Apparently Liz Truss’ musings on her short lived Premiership are being serialised in the Mail. Judging by this article it probably won’t be doing her any favours.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13289877/amp/queen-elizabeth-advice-liz-truss-revealed.html1 -
Don’t agree with you on stuff but will always be grateful for your betting tip on the locals which made me money. Always,trust local knowledgeHeathener said:
Sweet. Thanks. I often check in here in the mornings, rarely during the day. I seem to be ridiculously busy these days but I also take fright when things get too hot for me to handleBatteryCorrectHorse said:Welcome back @Heathener
You offered getting insight which is more than most do here.
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@Heathener obviously misses Brie and his plan to build a shiny new airport to replace Heathrow.TOPPING said:
The last few years have seen unprecedented rises in immigration in London. What are you trying to say here.Heathener said:
Fairly. I mean, rather than being slightly snippy (or at least that’s how this sensitive gal reads it) might it help if you explain where you’re coming from? Are you suggesting that London has deteriorated? If so, I’m inclined to agree I’ve got to say. I was up in Tottenham the other day with my son and again the week before and apart from the incredible stadium I can’t say things have improved much. I spent a week in town over Easter and it’s a great city but it’s not exactly cleanChris said:
Just not recently?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I could really get into a rant about how rubbish Heathrow is but I’ll spare y’all!
Edit: JUST A BIT OF FUN EVERYONE FFS CALM DOWN.
I wonder how much money you could make by digging the A4 into a tunnel, then sell the land. Think of the boost in property value either side of it. I even worked out how to do it with a semi-submerged tunnelling shield to allow traffic to flow over it…0 -
Hmmm.Carnyx said:
That'll be the Boys Brigade from HTB. Out every evening to create havoc while singing 'Onward Christian Soldiers'.Heathener said:
Uh? Has that transposed itself from a different message that someone else made?MattW said:
What's HTB in that context?Heathener said:
I mean, three of the seven pics were the grubby inside of a tube train but okay.Malmesbury said:
Most of that is because they are stripping the station out. Due to late running and early opening, the amount of time they have to actually do work is limited in the passenger accessible areas. So they have to work in small increments over monthsHeathener said:Off topic, I came through London earlier. I’ve recently praised the city but this is pretty grim.
Hence the boards with silver tape, new block work and the netting while they clear out stuff in what was the ceiling voids.
@Chris I’ve lived in London lots.
I guess when you return from the UAE, Qatar, or Singapore this kind of grubbiness hits you especially if you land at the increasingly grotty Heathrow.
I know lots of HTB acronyms, but none that would make sense there.
HTB? Holy Trinity Brompton?
Edit: Oh!!!!!!!!!!!! The HTB daubed on the tube train!!! Haha. Good spot.
I don’t know?
Havic: The Bothering, a parody card game
Heat loss due to linear thermal bridging (HTB)
Heavens to Betsy, a polite version of WTF.
Hierarchical token bucket, a computer networking algorithm
Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, the UK branch of Islamist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir
Holy Trinity Brompton, a church in London, England
Hokkaido Television Broadcasting, in Japan
Household Troops Band of the Salvation Army1 -
For some local knowledge, really hope people jump on Basingstoke turning red. I was there last weekend and I've never seen so many "vote Labour" signs.0
