David Cameron’s maxim about Twitter proved right once again – politicalbetting.com

System · March 26

David Cameron’s maxim about Twitter proved right once again – politicalbetting.com

FACT: London under Labour has become a crime capital of the world ? pic.twitter.com/IKoOFHwHvo

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DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

Campaign spending limits? Is that why Susan Hall has disowned it?

Sunil_Prasannan · March 26

It's GOT to be a parody, right??

Carnyx · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Campaign spending limits? Is that why Susan Hall has disowned it?

I wondered too. Or perhaps plain legal dodginess.

ToryJim · March 26

Sunil_Prasannan said:
It's GOT to be a parody, right??

The ad or the party?

Sunil_Prasannan · March 26

ToryJim said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:
It's GOT to be a parody, right??
The ad or the party?

MattW · March 26

Fifth Column.

AGAIN.

bondegezou · March 26

As everyone else has said, it does come across as a MAGA/GOP-style ad, and we should absolutely resist that. It is entirely possible to critique Khan's mayoral record and his plans for another term without this sort of nonsense.

anothernick · March 26

FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.

"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.

rcs1000 · March 26

ToryJim said:

darkage said:

ToryJim said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Doing the polar opposite of a problem doesn’t represent a solution but a further species of problem. In the same way setting up a broadcaster to preach, patronise and condescend to a different demographic doesn’t solve any problems real or imagined with broadcasting.

In terms of the current iteration of the culture wars, the woke/anti-woke movements it’s basically two sides who think the world can be perfected if everyone falls in step with their ideology. They are both based on the same wrong premise; the world cannot be perfected there are just an infinite series of trade offs.

I think this viewpoint is similar to my own but I have been tired with the apparent acceptance of the extremes of the left over the past decade or so.

The 'right woke' are a necessary antithesis. It is only because characters like Laurence Fox and Lee Anderson come on to the scene that the left can no longer do all the running. No longer is a free pass given to the statue topplers and pro hamas demonstraters, nor the gender totalitarians. I am not joining the 'right woke' but I concede absolutely that they are necessary to move things forward a bit.
The problem is that by defining a position in antithesis to x you make it easier for x to confirm their position in antithesis to you. Instead of anything moving forward everyone just digs in and takes the WWI Generals approach of doing the same thing just with bigger artillery and more shells. The danger of this approach to politics is that actually the slow retreat to the extremes gets embedded and eventually the moderates leave the field and you don’t need a doctorate in mid 20th century history to know the outcome of that sort of process.

This is such a great point that I'm bringing it to the new thread.

DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798

The Mirror is silent on the question of knees and ACL (fpt).

Malmesbury · March 26

anothernick said:

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.

Indeed

I should add that #NU10K isn’t the above. It’s the idea that above a certain level, the incompetent form a jerk circle to insulate themselves from reality.

The answer to the #NU10K is accountability.

noneoftheabove · March 26

Unfortunately this thread is another example of fake news. Boris Johnson doesn't have allies in the prural. Just Nadine.

MattW · March 26

Hmmmm.

OldKingCole · March 26

‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.

ClippP · March 26

Does anybody happen to know just how many of the Conservative HQ staff are, in fact, American? Just an idle thought.....

Selebian · March 26

OldKingCole said:
‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.

Sounds like the branding for an Airbus version of a dodgy plane with quick release doors

Seems to be a trading app/platform so not necessarily a scam per se, but a quick way for the unwary to be parted from their money.

ToryJim · March 26

A

MattW said:
Hmmmm.

Technically he isn’t wrong as he’s never been a minister but to the average punter it’s semantics.

williamglenn · March 26

Do they want to make Reform look like the small-c conservative choice?

Leon · March 26

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.

Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others

From this misbegotten abortion of a concept much evil flows, and it enters every corner of human life

Not in Colombia tho

Leon · March 26

I am at the beginning of four flights

Santa Marta-Bogotá

Bogotá-Cartagena

Cartagena-Amsterdam

Amsterdam-London Heathrow

I expect to land some time after the next general election

RochdalePioneers · March 26

MattW said:
Hmmmm.

He was Deputy Chair of the Party - payroll vote. If they didn't appoint him a minister without portfolio then ok, but he was definitely party of the government.

TheValiant · March 26

OldKingCole said:
‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.

Facebook is mostly just scams now. Excepting for the fact a few people still contact me on messenger, I'd have deleted my profile. Still might.

Nigelb · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798

The Mirror is silent on the question of knees and ACL (fpt).

Have they alerted Boris ?

Nigelb · March 26

MattW said:
Hmmmm.

"Nothing to do with me, gov..."

SirNorfolkPassmore · March 26

On topic, I'm not actually sure recent events prove Cameron's old remark about Twitter correct.

What Cameron had in mind, I think, was the casual, throwaway remark on Twitter. The careless retweet, or the MP's intemperate reply that often gets made later in the evening when a drink or two has been taken.

In this case, these are carefully scripted and professionally put together videos and websites. That's a rather different thing and potentially more worrying in terms of the competence of the Tory operation. This isn't Bob Nobody MP being silly after a decent claret too many.

anothernick · March 26

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others

From this misbegotten abortion of a concept much evil flows, and it enters every corner of human life

Not in Colombia tho

Which neatly proves my point - woke is a catch-all word for ideas and people you don't like but have no coherent or evidence-based arguments to put forward. It's all just an overwhelming horror......

Nigelb · March 26

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..

How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.

Scott_xP · March 26

The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016

Anabobazina · March 26

SirNorfolkPassmore said:
On topic, I'm not actually sure recent events prove Cameron's old remark about Twitter correct.

What Cameron had in mind, I think, was the casual, throwaway remark on Twitter. The careless retweet, or the MP's intemperate reply that often gets made later in the evening when a drink or two has been taken.

In this case, these are carefully scripted and professionally put together videos and websites. That's a rather different thing and potentially more worrying in terms of the competence of the Tory operation. This isn't Bob Nobody MP being silly after a decent claret too many.

Yes, I think that's right.

Cammo was, to my memory, referring to then-burgeoning habit of public figures engaging in a running commentary/debate on social media (which is now less common, as MPs etc are much more alive to the risks).

This turd of a video was planned, and published, by a bunch of incels at Central Office.

Nothing like the same thing.

noneoftheabove · March 26

MattW said:
Hmmmm.

Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.

OldKingCole · March 26

ToryJim said:
A
MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Technically he isn’t wrong as he’s never been a minister but to the average punter it’s semantics.

Didn’t he attend Cabinet meetings or is that only in Private Eye’s imagination?

Nigelb · March 26

FPT, to give Leon something to read on his many flights.

Carnyx said:

Nigelb said:
Interesting (and lengthy) thread on Covid evolution.
Do we have any specialists in viral evolution to comment ?

https://twitter.com/SolidEvidence/status/1772329032287404326
This is amazing.

Can cryptic lineages tell us anything about the origins of SARS-CoV-2 (SC2)?

The answer may surprise you, it surprised the hell out of me...

(Lots & lots of technical stuff)

...Takehome message:

SARS-CoV-2 is not just a normal bat Sarbecovirus with a furin-cleave site added.

The changes are not ‘random’. This virus seemingly had significantly aclimated to a non-GI environment in ways that I believe could only occur through natural selection.

The simplest explanation (to me) is that SC2 circulated in a non-human host in a non-GI compartment for several years before it crossed into humans. This gives me hope that the SC2 progenitor might still be found one day.

Even if you believe that the FCS was engineered into SC2 (starting from an unknown virus), the virus would have had to have been cultured in a ‘non-gut’ environment with almost no immune pressure for a long time (probably years) before it passed to human...
Any reference to the paper please?

Though nothing would surprise me, after learning many years ago that the cholera bacterium is primarily an inhabitant of the carapace of shrimps etc. and that any affinity with the human gut is presumably accidental, so the effects on humans are secondary (unless of course it is a dispersal mechanism to other waters, but it's not possible to go all Aristotelean on natural selection anyway ...).

No - it's a twitter thread by a virologist.
Several papers referenced, but the reasoning/finding is recent (and came as a surprise to him) and is not yet published elsewhere.

You'll have to read it.

References include:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666524723003725?via=ihub
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-40706-y#MOESM1
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf9302
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28246-3
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.09.14.23295379v1
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04532-4
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-021-00600-y

RochdalePioneers · March 26

noneoftheabove said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votes

"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."

DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016

Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.

williamglenn · March 26

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.

That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.

Selebian · March 26

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.

If 'wokism' leads to the overthrow of the government of Russia then I'm all for it

ToryJim · March 26

OldKingCole said:

ToryJim said:
A
MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Technically he isn’t wrong as he’s never been a minister but to the average punter it’s semantics.
Didn’t he attend Cabinet meetings or is that only in Private Eye’s imagination?

Don’t think so, he may as erstwhile deputy chairman have attended a political cabinet but given he was only in that role to mollify the headbangers I doubt he was making any actual decisions and he certainly wasn’t determining government policy or indeed practice.

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

Speaking of toxic . . .

Numerous media outlets reporting that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is selecting Nicole Shanahan as his Vice Presidential running mate for his 2024 "independent" presidential candidacy.

AKA as The Blighted Potato-Head Ticket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Shanahan

noneoftheabove · March 26

RochdalePioneers said:

noneoftheabove said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votes

"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."

He is not denying he was a Tory MP who generally supported the government. What is the point of moaning about factual innaccuracies vs Khan, if we should ignore factual accuracies vs Anderson because he is an idiot? That just opens up the door for those who assume Khan is an idiot to think that was fine too.

Either things that are plain wrong are corrected, or not. Anderson wanting the record corrected shouldn't be controversial at all, especially not by those who want more honesty in politics.

Sunil_Prasannan · March 26

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016

Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!

SirNorfolkPassmore · March 26

RochdalePioneers said:

noneoftheabove said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votes

"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."

Anderson is being unreasonably pedantic for a man not known for his perspicacity in choice of words.

Having said that, he is technically right that an MP for the governing party isn't the same as being part of the government. To take that line would mean Ted Heath was part of Thatcher's government, and that Jeremy Corbyn was part of Blair's.

Sunil_Prasannan · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_aircraft_carrier

Leon · March 26

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.

This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure

JosiasJessop · March 26

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure

You must always be at 'work' then, as you never say anything considered, interesting, and particularly articulate.

Nigelb · March 26

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.

No, it's like current Republicans calling everyone is the Democratic party Communists.

Leon · March 26

I sense there’s a lot of concern for my well-being on my arduous journey so yes I am doing it in business

But still

Nigelb · March 26

.

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure

Enjoy your flights, wokefinder general.

Carnyx · March 26

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!

One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?

Scott_xP · March 26

@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister

Carnyx · March 26

Sunil_Prasannan said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_aircraft_carrier

Already done for container ships. Contender Bezant is now RFA Argus (aviation training ship until recently, if only for helicopters). And technically Atlantic Conveyor was a very quick conversion into an aircraft carrier from which rotary wing machines could take off.

RochdalePioneers · March 26

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noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

noneoftheabove said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votes

"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."
He is not denying he was a Tory MP who generally supported the government. What is the point of moaning about factual innaccuracies vs Khan, if we should ignore factual accuracies vs Anderson because he is an idiot? That just opens up the door for those who assume Khan is an idiot to think that was fine too.

Either things that are plain wrong are corrected, or not. Anderson wanting the record corrected shouldn't be controversial at all, especially not by those who want more honesty in politics.

Its splitting hairs. Any Tory MP is an MP of the party in government. And he was Deputy Chair of the party - part of the government payroll vote (whether they paid him or not - an unpaid PPS is also part of the "payroll" vote.

Anyway, he's gone from the party so it doesn't matter.

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

The other day a PBer (forget who) was opining that the upcoming US Senate race in New Jersey might be a Republican pickup opportunity, given the scandal engulfing Democratic incumbent Robert Mendacious (sp?).

However . . .

Cook Political Report - With Murphy Exit, Kim On Glide Path To Senate as New Jersey Moves to Solid Democrat

https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/new-jersey-senate/murphy-exit-kim-glide-path-senate-new-jersey-moves-solid-democrat

SSI - The exit of Governor Murphy's wife, who was attempting to bully/buy her way to the US Senate (not exactly unique in US history) is good news methinks, for Democrats, for New Jersey and for Congress. (Lord know they all need ALL the help they can get!)

Daveyboy1961 · March 26

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure

You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.

OldKingCole · March 26

ToryJim said:

OldKingCole said:

ToryJim said:
A
MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Technically he isn’t wrong as he’s never been a minister but to the average punter it’s semantics.
Didn’t he attend Cabinet meetings or is that only in Private Eye’s imagination?
Don’t think so, he may as erstwhile deputy chairman have attended a political cabinet but given he was only in that role to mollify the headbangers I doubt he was making any actual decisions and he certainly wasn’t determining government policy or indeed practice.

I wonder if he kept his thoughts to himself while there, though!

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!

Re: the ship that crashed into and wrecked the Key Bridge in Baltimore, now being reported that it lost engine power just before the crash.

Nigelb · March 26

.

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister

Robert Halfoff, already.

JosiasJessop · March 26

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?

I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.

Nigelb · March 26

SeaShantyIrish2 said:
The other day a PBer (forget who) was opining that the upcoming US Senate race in New Jersey might be a Republican pickup opportunity, given the scandal engulfing Democratic incumbent Robert Mendacious (sp?).

However . . .

Cook Political Report - With Murphy Exit, Kim On Glide Path To Senate as New Jersey Moves to Solid Democrat

https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/new-jersey-senate/murphy-exit-kim-glide-path-senate-new-jersey-moves-solid-democrat

SSI - The exit of Governor Murphy's wife, who was attempting to bully/buy her way to the US Senate (not exactly unique in US history) is good news methinks, for Democrats, for New Jersey and for Congress. (Lord know they all need ALL the help they can get!)

Kim is something of a breath of fresh air as far as NJ politics is concerned, is he not ?

SandyRentool · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798

The Mirror is silent on the question of knees and ACL (fpt).

Well I hope the daft bugger brought it back down again.

Far too much fly tipping these days.

JosiasJessop · March 26

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
Re: the ship that crashed into and wrecked the Key Bridge in Baltimore, now being reported that it lost engine power just before the crash.

That was fairly obvious from the video, when all the lights go out, and there's a big puff of smoke, either from a engine problem, or more likely IMV, a rush restart. Then I think the lights go out a second time briefly.

Apparently they also made a Mayday call to say loss of power.

There'll be many learning lessons from this. Sadly, the maritime business ecosystem is not keen to learn lessons.

No_Offence_Alan · March 26

Nigelb said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
"Nothing to do with me, gov..."

If only Mr. Anderson was as assiduous in fact-checking all the crap he has spouted over the years.

JosiasJessop · March 26

Daveyboy1961 said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.

Old man ranting at the Moon.

Northern_Al · March 26

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister

Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:

I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.
No, it's like current Republicans calling everyone is the Democratic party Communists.

Especially ironic considering that MAGA-GOPers and fellow hench-people (including those infesting PB) are engaged in giving 24/7/366 oral relief (in more ways that one!) to neo-Commie Comrade-in Chief Vladimir Putin.

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.

Ship that crashed in Baltimore harbor reportedly had two pilots on board, reckon that visibility was NOT the issue.

Instead, loss of engine power as is now being reported.

Leon · March 26

Daveyboy1961 said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.

Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?

More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025

Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia

At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos

Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*

anothernick · March 26

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!

One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.

Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.

Carnyx · March 26

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.

Monkey surely?

DavidL · March 26

OldKingCole said:
‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.

If Robert Peston was investing surely the option is to short the shares as much as possible?

wooliedyed · March 26

Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.

JosiasJessop · March 26

anothernick said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.

Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.

When I sailed on a tall ship, there was always one or two people on the bow to keep an eye out for exactly that sort of thing. A semi-submerged container might have sunk the Asgard II the previous year. I got to see some brilliant biofluorescence around the bow one night; like the sea around it was being illumated by lasers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_II

JosiasJessop · March 26

Carnyx said:

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.
Monkey surely?

Sorry, finger trouble. Yes, Monkey Island.

ydoethur · March 26

Northern_Al said:

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:

I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...

Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.

He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.

It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.

Selebian · March 26

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:

I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.

He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.

It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.

In the acknowledgements section of my PhD, I thanked one of my supervisors for his 'helpful contributions', omitting the fact that these were very limited, to the extent that the plural was perhaps not justified.

Twickbait_55 · March 26

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.

Indeed, and of course those desperate to hang on to power by their grimy little fingernails at all costs like to divert, divide and rule as history has repeatedly told us...

DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

Monbeg Genius is out of next month's Grand National.

Owned by Baroness Mone of PPE.

viewcode · March 26

RochdalePioneers said:

noneoftheabove said:

MattW said:
Hmmmm.
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votes

"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."

Parliament != Government. Government is in Whitehall. Parliament is in Westminster.

ydoethur · March 26

Selebian said:

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:

I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.

He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.

It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.
In the acknowledgements section of my PhD, I thanked one of my supervisors for his 'helpful contributions', omitting the fact that these were very limited, to the extent that the plural was perhaps not justified.

I was more thinking of the credits in Private's Progress:

The producers gratefully acknowledge the official co-operation of absolutely nobody.

Selebian · March 26

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.
Monkey surely?
Sorry, finger trouble. Yes, Monkey Island.

Your original naming was 0K

SeaShantyIrish2 · March 26

anothernick said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.

Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.

This accident did NOT occur out in the ocean, but rather in Baltimore harbor.

There were TWO pilots on board - that is, not members of the crew, but certified to pilot ships into & out of Baltimore to the Atlantic via Chesapeake Bay.

Chris · March 26

How many more elections are the Tories trying to ensure they will lose?

Luckyguy1983 · March 26

Leon said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.
Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?

More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025

Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia

At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos

Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*

I hope the aged weary person didn't mind.

DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.

Leon · March 26

wooliedyed said:
Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.

Feels like it should be a Nostradamus quatrain

And the garment of the marshman
Will be rendered with blackness in Cathay
Moon faces averted from Genoa’s cloth
Even as Scythia bleeds, and bridges fall

DavidL · March 26

So they had pictures of panic in New York, pictures of housing in Peterborough and some fairly dodgy (to put it mildly) statistics on violent crime in London?

That's a less than optimal performance, it has to be said. Add in the racist and anti-Islamic undertones and the word "seized" and you have a broadcast that no political party in this country should ever have produced.

Disappointing. Please stay after class.

ydoethur · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.

How did autocorrect turn that 't' into a 'c?'

OldKingCole · March 26

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

Scott_xP said:
@aljwhite

Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:

I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.

He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few.

It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.

He’s quite specific, though, that he’s thanking those in his section, not DfE officials in general. He’s done well in Harlow, which ought to be marginal.

Leon · March 26

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

anothernick said:
FPT

darkage said:

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:
I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?

Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?

If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
This is depressingly stupid

I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.
Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?

More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025

Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia

At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos

Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*

I hope the aged weary person didn't mind.

He offered a bemused but good natured chuckle

williamglenn · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.

Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.

Nigelb · March 26

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

anothernick said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.

Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.
This accident did NOT occur out in the ocean, but rather in Baltimore harbor.

There were TWO pilots on board - that is, not members of the crew, but certified to pilot ships into & out of Baltimore to the Atlantic via Chesapeake Bay.

Not much they can do if the power goes out completely - which seems to have happened.

wooliedyed · March 26

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:
Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.
Feels like it should be a Nostradamus quatrain

And the garment of the marshman
Will be rendered with blackness in Cathay
Moon faces averted from Genoa’s cloth
Even as Scythia bleeds, and bridges fall

Doom prophecy is purdy.

It's also covered in the 112th and final stanza of The Prophecy Of The Popes. Modern scholars believe Charlie Dimmock is Peter the Roman rather than Francis the Fancyman

DavidL · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.

It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.

DecrepiterJohnL · March 26

williamglenn said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.

Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.

Anabobazina · March 26

https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling

B 43
T 42

Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)

Nigelb · March 26

DavidL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.

Who knows ?
If it's a million small fry suckers, then nothing that they'll ever receive.

But see also Gamestop - another loss making company that became a meme stock, and defied bankruptcy in the face of financial logic.

Still, it did have around a thousand times the turnover of Truth Social.

kjh · March 26

Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).

kinabalu · March 26

DecrepiterJohnL said:

williamglenn said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.
Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.

Trump will be mortified if he makes big money on the deal but lots of his supporters lose out.

rcs1000 · March 26

DavidL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.

I think it's a monumental short squeeze.

Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.

Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.

rcs1000 · March 26

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r

World's greatest business chief.
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.
Who knows ?
If it's a million small fry suckers, then nothing that they'll ever receive.

But see also Gamestop - another loss making company that became a meme stock, and defied bankruptcy in the face of financial logic.

Still, it did have around a thousand times the turnover of Truth Social.

It's a good point, and it will - no doubt - allow DJT to liquidate some stock, which will help with his current travails.

Selebian · March 26

DavidL said:
So they had pictures of panic in New York, pictures of housing in Peterborough and some fairly dodgy (to put it mildly) statistics on violent crime in London?

That's a less than optimal performance, it has to be said. Add in the racist and anti-Islamic undertones and the word "seized" and you have a broadcast that no political party in this country should ever have produced.

Disappointing. Please stay after class.

Please stay after class? Personally, I think it's time for expulsion.

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