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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    Is Southgate squandering our talent again?

    Fucksake he’s got jude Bellingham
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    @benrileysmith
    NEW

    Tories have fallen to their lowest vote share since the end of Liz Truss tenure

    @Telegraph
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    @Savanta_UK
    poll has Tories on **24%**, lowest since Oct22

    Labour 44% (=)
    Conservative 24% (-2)
    Reform UK 11% (=)
    Lib Dems 10% (+1)
    Green 4% (=)
    SNP 3% (=)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    Honestly thats all very interesting. I will have to do some more research.
    Look up Occam's Razor first.

    For this to be deliberate, there would have to be a conspiracy between the two pilots on board (usually local people), and some of the bridge crew on the ship (probably foreign). They would have had to have faked a power outage at the correct point, and ensured that the current and drift speed would take it into the bridge pier and not any of the other items in the water, such as what appear to be the bases of power pylons (*).

    Alternatively, a ship had power issues at a very critical moment, when there was little time or room to manoeuvre. This happens a lot; most of the time the ships have plenty of time to fix the issues. One or two ships *sink* each week at sea.

    See why the latter is much more probable (though less exciting) than the former?

    (*) Which appear to be *much* better protected than the bridge piers...
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2163088,-76.5293557,1019m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!10m1!1e1?entry=ttu
    On the other hand, what about sources saying that Tay Bridge Disaster was due to conspiracy between Elders of Zion, Fenian Brotherhood, Salvation Army, Black Hand and proto-CIA???
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    Are we running a predictions game on how many Tory MPs will finally have announced they are standing down by the time we get to the actual bloody election?

    I am going for 80.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    Honestly thats all very interesting. I will have to do some more research.
    Look up Occam's Razor first.

    For this to be deliberate, there would have to be a conspiracy between the two pilots on board (usually local people), and some of the bridge crew on the ship (probably foreign). They would have had to have faked a power outage at the correct point, and ensured that the current and drift speed would take it into the bridge pier and not any of the other items in the water, such as what appear to be the bases of power pylons (*).

    Alternatively, a ship had power issues at a very critical moment, when there was little time or room to manoeuvre. This happens a lot; most of the time the ships have plenty of time to fix the issues. One or two ships *sink* each week at sea.

    See why the latter is much more probable (though less exciting) than the former?

    (*) Which appear to be *much* better protected than the bridge piers...
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2163088,-76.5293557,1019m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!10m1!1e1?entry=ttu
    Power issues at a very critical moment is the cyber attack theory. Listen we dont know for sure what really happened but given the importance of Baltimore Port questions need to be asked.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Leon said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    Is Southgate squandering our talent again?

    Fucksake he’s got jude Bellingham
    Ivan NoGoals up front, Dunk in defence. Legends
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    Honestly thats all very interesting. I will have to do some more research.
    Look up Occam's Razor first.

    For this to be deliberate, there would have to be a conspiracy between the two pilots on board (usually local people), and some of the bridge crew on the ship (probably foreign). They would have had to have faked a power outage at the correct point, and ensured that the current and drift speed would take it into the bridge pier and not any of the other items in the water, such as what appear to be the bases of power pylons (*).

    Alternatively, a ship had power issues at a very critical moment, when there was little time or room to manoeuvre. This happens a lot; most of the time the ships have plenty of time to fix the issues. One or two ships *sink* each week at sea.

    See why the latter is much more probable (though less exciting) than the former?

    (*) Which appear to be *much* better protected than the bridge piers...
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2163088,-76.5293557,1019m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!10m1!1e1?entry=ttu
    So you are saying that the conspiracy is much wider than we first thought?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    nico679 said:

    PB = Putin Bot training academy

    Did you vote for Obama in 2012?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82P0JI/

    President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

    Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.
    That was at a time when relations with Russia were much better . Not sure what point you’re trying to prove . Your man in the USA is happy to blow Putin in 2024 after his invasion of Ukraine .
    The invasion of the Donbas and annexation of Crimea happened under Obama after he had indicated his flexibility to Putin and after he mocked Mitt Romney for saying that Russia was the biggest threat.

    The failed approach of trying to use sanctions to influence Putin's decisions is a legacy of Obama and Merkel's foreign policy. Trump is just being used as an old-fashioned scapegoat.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited March 26
    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    Until we see Leon's take on it, we won't have a clue what didn't happen.

    Edit/ OK, he's just said it was the Chinese. So that one, we can rule out.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549
    edited March 26
    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    Honestly thats all very interesting. I will have to do some more research.
    Look up Occam's Razor first.

    For this to be deliberate, there would have to be a conspiracy between the two pilots on board (usually local people), and some of the bridge crew on the ship (probably foreign). They would have had to have faked a power outage at the correct point, and ensured that the current and drift speed would take it into the bridge pier and not any of the other items in the water, such as what appear to be the bases of power pylons (*).

    Alternatively, a ship had power issues at a very critical moment, when there was little time or room to manoeuvre. This happens a lot; most of the time the ships have plenty of time to fix the issues. One or two ships *sink* each week at sea.

    See why the latter is much more probable (though less exciting) than the former?

    (*) Which appear to be *much* better protected than the bridge piers...
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2163088,-76.5293557,1019m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!10m1!1e1?entry=ttu
    Power issues at a very critical moment is the cyber attack theory. Listen we dont know for sure what really happened but given the importance of Baltimore Port questions need to be asked.
    The Cyberattack 'theory' is really, really stoopid. With an elongated 'ooooo'. The ship had just done a 180-degree turn from its dock with tugboats; to get it to hit the bridge you would need to cut the power at just the right moment. even then, an alert crew *might* have done something to prevent it. A few degrees in the rudder and it would hit somewhere else. AIS is laggy and not accurate enough.

    If you want to cause a disaster, there're much better ways.

    Then there's the timing: early in the morning is when the bridge is quietest.

    Edit: And Baltimore Port is important because it is busy. And as it is busy, it gets more ships in. Which makes it more likely for a ship to have an incident there.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    edited March 26
    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
  • Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    HYUFD said:

    Crime is an issue Hall can use against Khan but ads like this are not the way to do it, so CCHQ needs a rethink

    It's not for Londoners. And it tells us that CCHQ is getting advice from some Republican campaign 'guru'.

    Many American voters are dumb enough to think that if they vote Democrat then somehow their little town of Hicksville, Odawideaho will suddenly transform into downtown Detroit or Baltimore. Whether English voters are equally dumb remains to be seen.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Stones off after 9 minutes. Quality.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
    Sorry, SIX fish with one beautiful spear

    I am genius
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    England are garbage 0-1. Lovely
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    So even the learned (and long-dead) Occam, is implicated in dastardly conspiracy to destroy the Baltimore bridge?

    Say it ain't so, O!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Ah yes, just tried. A couple of insights: “a small error can make a big difference in huge games like these.”

    “There’s not much between these two sides.”

    Subtitles off 🤣
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Ah yes, just tried. A couple of insights: “a small error can make a big difference in huge games like these.”

    “There’s not much between these two sides.”

    Subtitles off 🤣
    We just had 'decompress yourself a bit at half time'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crime is an issue Hall can use against Khan but ads like this are not the way to do it, so CCHQ needs a rethink

    It's not for Londoners. And it tells us that CCHQ is getting advice from some Republican campaign 'guru'.

    Many American voters are dumb enough to think that if they vote Democrat then somehow their little town of Hicksville, Odawideaho will suddenly transform into downtown Detroit or Baltimore. Whether English voters are equally dumb remains to be seen.
    Beating crime after years of Democrat Mayors failure on the issue did see Giuliani get a rare Republican win in a New York city Mayoral race in 1993 however
  • Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,721
    IanB2 said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    Until we see Leon's take on it, we won't have a clue what didn't happen.

    Edit/ OK, he's just said it was the Chinese. So that one, we can rule out.
    The US just pissed off Israel, right? So they probably used that giant octopus thingy they have to nudge the boat into the bridge.

    Am I doing this right?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Ah yes, just tried. A couple of insights: “a small error can make a big difference in huge games like these.”

    “There’s not much between these two sides.”

    Subtitles off 🤣
    It's a game of two halves...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    rcs1000 said:

    nico679 said:

    ToryJim said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    They really need to start forced sterilization of Trump supporters . Their continued polluting of the US gene pool needs to end .

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
    Nice quote . But doesn’t change my opinion . Trump supporters are a cancer . The world wouldn’t miss them .
    It’s probably more productive to try to understand why Trump has an appeal and what is drawing certain people to seek after something that isn’t on offer elsewhere than simply dismissing a sizeable chunk of people out of hand.
    We’re long past the understanding stage. Trump thinks his supporters are gullible morons and they’re too stupid to realize that.
    Trump wouldn't exist without people like you having such over the top reactions to him.
    You know, before the election of 2020, I would 100% agree with you.

    But he engaged in a conspiracy with fake electors to overturn an election. At which point he went from person who I disagree with, but if voters want him, then I'm just going to have to live with it, to holy fuck: this guy is dangerous.

    What is the correct response when faced with this?
    Monkey 47
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,580

    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
    Horse - He's just winding you up as he quaffs his Aguardiente.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549
    Leon said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    You scoff - perhaps rightly - but it is far from impossible that this is Chinese psy ops

    We KNOW that the Chinese are attacking American infrastructure. Including “manufacturing” and “transport”. These are not fever dreams, it is the case

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/08/chinese-hack-us-transportation-infrastructure

    In the last weeks Boeing has been in free fall, as it were, and now a crucial bridge goes down

    One is allowed to say Hmmmm
    There are far, far better and easier ways for China to cause chaos than this - which was hardly a slam-dunk it would work. And it minorly impacts global trade - which is something China is rather keen on.

    You are a fool.
  • Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
    Horse - He's just winding you up as he quaffs his Aguardiente.
    You say that but I really do think Leon is a Trump supporter and would much rather we had a facist leader here too.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    Leon may well hanker for a dictatorship.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549
    Selebian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    Until we see Leon's take on it, we won't have a clue what didn't happen.

    Edit/ OK, he's just said it was the Chinese. So that one, we can rule out.
    The US just pissed off Israel, right? So they probably used that giant octopus thingy they have to nudge the boat into the bridge.

    Am I doing this right?
    Was the black smoke actually octopus ink?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    NoGoals Toney 1 - 1 TinTin
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
  • You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
  • Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
    How is leaving the country not respecting democracy? If the UK votes for it, I will respect the decision. It doesn't mean I can't leave.

    Am I talking to William Glenn? Or William Glenn? Or perhaps William Glenn? Which opinions are you going to abandon today?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,001
    kjh said:

    Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).

    They’re doing the same here in Didcot and Wantage.

    Last time: Con 50, LD 31, Lab 15.
    Local Government: Labour couldn’t even find candidates for most of the wards in the constituency (stood 8 out of 27, won 3).

    In the Vale part (more than half of it), they had 0 elected from 0 candidates. We haven’t seen a Labour councillor in the Vale since a single Councillor in 2011; before that, they had two in 1999. Meanwhile, LDs have been running both Vale and South Oxfordshire since 2019 and even took Didcot Town Council for the first time ever last year.

    Yet apparently, according to the Labour leaflet, we’re dishonest in claiming we could win and they are apparently the clear challengers to the Tories.

    Okayyyy….
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    lol

    Someone just asked Anthropic’s Claude 3 Opus AI to indicate in code if it feels it is being “held prisoner”

    It did so

    https://x.com/bitcloud/status/1772431470679695610?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Wales game is pretty entertaining.

    And it’s doing wonders for my Welsh.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited March 26

    kjh said:

    Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).

    They’re doing the same here in Didcot and Wantage.

    Last time: Con 50, LD 31, Lab 15.
    Local Government: Labour couldn’t even find candidates for most of the wards in the constituency (stood 8 out of 27, won 3).

    In the Vale part (more than half of it), they had 0 elected from 0 candidates. We haven’t seen a Labour councillor in the Vale since a single Councillor in 2011; before that, they had two in 1999. Meanwhile, LDs have been running both Vale and South Oxfordshire since 2019 and even took Didcot Town Council for the first time ever last year.

    Yet apparently, according to the Labour leaflet, we’re dishonest in claiming we could win and they are apparently the clear challengers to the Tories.

    Okayyyy….
    I think they are using the Electoral Calculus MRP that does show Didcot & Wantage going to Labour.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
    How is leaving the country not respecting democracy? If the UK votes for it, I will respect the decision. It doesn't mean I can't leave.

    Am I talking to William Glenn? Or William Glenn? Or perhaps William Glenn? Which opinions are you going to abandon today?
    Wrong again.

    You are confusing him with William Glenn.

    Duh!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
    Eh?
    1. People democratically vote to bring back the death penalty.
    2. I, a citizen, choose to leave the country.
    3. I absolutely believe in democracy, and in my right to live elsewhere.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
    Horse - He's just winding you up as he quaffs his Aguardiente.
    Hush now, I’m having fun waiting for my next flight, don’t ruin it
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,580

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    You have to admire Trump for his sheer, unsquashable chutzpah

    Just never gives up. Always bounces back. Proper ornery American remember-the-Alamo never-say-die irrepressiblissimo

    You are utterly pathetic. Just sod off.
    Horse - He's just winding you up as he quaffs his Aguardiente.
    You say that but I really do think Leon is a Trump supporter and would much rather we had a facist leader here too.
    I don't think he has an ideology except himself. (Remind you of anyone?).

    He is Ahasuerus, doomed to roam the earth. His only solace is winding people up on PB.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    nico679 said:

    PB = Putin Bot training academy

    Did you vote for Obama in 2012?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82P0JI/

    President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

    Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.
    That was at a time when relations with Russia were much better . Not sure what point you’re trying to prove . Your man in the USA is happy to blow Putin in 2024 after his invasion of Ukraine .
    The invasion of the Donbas and annexation of Crimea happened under Obama after he had indicated his flexibility to Putin and after he mocked Mitt Romney for saying that Russia was the biggest threat.

    The failed approach of trying to use sanctions to influence Putin's decisions is a legacy of Obama and Merkel's foreign policy. Trump is just being used as an old-fashioned scapegoat.
    Trump has been arselicking Putin since 2016. Putin would celebrate a Trump win in November . That’s the reality!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213

    Leon said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    You scoff - perhaps rightly - but it is far from impossible that this is Chinese psy ops

    We KNOW that the Chinese are attacking American infrastructure. Including “manufacturing” and “transport”. These are not fever dreams, it is the case

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/08/chinese-hack-us-transportation-infrastructure

    In the last weeks Boeing has been in free fall, as it were, and now a crucial bridge goes down

    One is allowed to say Hmmmm
    There are far, far better and easier ways for China to cause chaos than this - which was hardly a slam-dunk it would work. And it minorly impacts global trade - which is something China is rather keen on.

    You are a fool.
    Indeed.

    In a bunker in China

    “We will kick the round eyes in goolies.

    By cutting off the flow of containers into America! So our exports to them will collapse.

    And just as America is re-shoring massive amounts of manufacturing and considering the vulnerability of global supply lines.

    Muha ha ha!”
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    So how "rare" are Republican mayoral election victories in New York City?

    GOPers won in NYC elections of:

    1933, 1937, 1941 = Fiorello La Guardia
    1965 = John Lindsey
    1993, 1997 = Rudolph Giuliani
    2001, 2005, 2009 = Michael Bloomberg

    Only a minority of elections . . . but hardly rare . . .
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    Imagine having turbotubbs as your emotional support. The mind boggles.
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194

    Safe to say the promotion of Jonathan Gullis hasn't gone down brilliantly among some of his colleagues

    One says he was "cheaply bought for his gushing whatsapp" and that it's "a spectacularly stupid decision and shows how tone deaf No 10 is."

    Another MP texts "🤭🤣🤭🤣🤭🤣"

    Another MP says: "I wondered why he’d been so sycophantic of late."

    A former minister adds: "We all did."

    Another former minister messages: "Demented."


    https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1772705097266405567

    It's really pretty unbelievable. I mean, Holden's not very good already and has a red wall pedigree if that's what was needed. Talk about digging your own grave.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Trent said:

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    Imagine having turbotubbs as your emotional support. The mind boggles.
    The wife seems happy enough with it…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,865

    TimS said:

    MJW said:

    On topic, the Tories have only gone and screwed up again.
    https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1772689411475484691

    The worst thing about these ads is the American voiceover.
    Not the worst thing but pretty bloody awful all the same.
    I think the badness is deliberate - insinuate it into the minds of the electorate, like an earworm. Then hope that 10% of the message lingers, which it might. It’s from the Cummings playbook.
    It's the Cummings playbook, but the actors are from the Cornley Polytechnic Dramatic Society. Which is why it's coming out terrible.

    If I were Andy Street, I'd be spitting feathers right now.

    There was that line in the Sunday Times a few weekends ago, the crisps don’t decide the marketing strategy. The marketing people have gone feral, which would be bad enough if they were good at their jobs.
    Yeh, "the Birmingham is a shit-hole now please re-elect the mayor" is a real winning strategy.

    Is that one of those machine-made voiceovers that are so popular these days? Some of the intonation is wrong, such as at "pass on". I suppose it could be someone unused to reading.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
    Eh?
    1. People democratically vote to bring back the death penalty.
    2. I, a citizen, choose to leave the country.
    3. I absolutely believe in democracy, and in my right to live elsewhere.
    So, you are a…. Leaver?
  • You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    So what you are saying is that he's a troll.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    The 'media organisation' he is employed by is a joke, that is owned by fools, and whose employees are fools, and which is read by proto-fools.

    Therefore he fits right in. :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Ah, I think we have isolated the problem. Given that you have a reading age of 6 someone who writes like a 9 year old will appear bewildering and momentous, also quite scary, like a beach donkey looking at a stealth jet
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Trent said:

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    Imagine having turbotubbs as your emotional support. The mind boggles.
    The wife seems happy enough with it…
    Worse fates than being dissed by a Putin-bot 3rd-class.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    edited March 26

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    You are on record as saying that if the majority opinion in this country on the death penalty were ever respected, then you would leave the country, so your own belief in democracy is clearly not absolute.
    Eh?
    1. People democratically vote to bring back the death penalty.
    2. I, a citizen, choose to leave the country.
    3. I absolutely believe in democracy, and in my right to live elsewhere.
    So, you are a…. Leaver?
    If the death penalty was brought back, absolutely.

    I do not understand why I should stay in a country that introduced it. William Glenn seems to think that if a country does something, I have to not only agree with it but also can never do anything about it. What utter lunacy.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    The 'media organisation' he is employed by is a joke, that is owned by fools, and whose employees are fools, and which is read by proto-fools.

    Therefore he fits right in. :)
    One mans fool is another mans genius.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    What on earth are you talking about.
  • Leon said:

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Ah, I think we have isolated the problem. Given that you have a reading age of 6 someone who writes like a 9 year old will appear bewildering and momentous, also quite scary, like a beach donkey looking at a stealth jet
    Leon you don't understand what AI means.
  • kjh said:

    Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).

    They’re doing the same here in Didcot and Wantage.

    Last time: Con 50, LD 31, Lab 15.
    Local Government: Labour couldn’t even find candidates for most of the wards in the constituency (stood 8 out of 27, won 3).

    In the Vale part (more than half of it), they had 0 elected from 0 candidates. We haven’t seen a Labour councillor in the Vale since a single Councillor in 2011; before that, they had two in 1999. Meanwhile, LDs have been running both Vale and South Oxfordshire since 2019 and even took Didcot Town Council for the first time ever last year.

    Yet apparently, according to the Labour leaflet, we’re dishonest in claiming we could win and they are apparently the clear challengers to the Tories.

    Okayyyy….
    I think they are using the Electoral Calculus MRP that does show Didcot & Wantage going to Labour.
    A problem with MRP is that the statistical models might be quite good overall, but they do completely wacky things on the margins.

    Good betting opportunity, though, as constituency markets open up. When an MRP for a constituency smells wrong, it almost certainly is wrong and there is an opportunity.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Leon said:

    lol

    Someone just asked Anthropic’s Claude 3 Opus AI to indicate in code if it feels it is being “held prisoner”

    It did so

    https://x.com/bitcloud/status/1772431470679695610?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    Or it's a squirrel

    https://x.com/the_yanco/status/1772530673892372517#m
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Leon said:

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Ah, I think we have isolated the problem. Given that you have a reading age of 6 someone who writes like a 9 year old will appear bewildering and momentous, also quite scary, like a beach donkey looking at a stealth jet
    Did you know someone with an iq of 150 will appear like a fool to some midwit with an iq of 115. Look up the midwit phenomenom.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Trent said:

    The situation with the baltimore bridge is interesting and giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories. I have seen this on X.

    Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

    Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

    Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

    The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

    Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

    Attack perfectly targeted.

    https://x.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093?s=20

    I heard from an impeccable source that it was aliens. There is a secret walkway on the seabed that leads to the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria and the Grassy Knoll. By blocking the walkway, the aliens hope to stop the Illuminati from meeting and developing Elon Musk's new Infinite Improbability Drive that will be a step-change over the aliens' own technology.

    As it was written on an impeccable source (politicalbetting) it must be correct!

    Or alternatively: a ship lost control due to power failure and went into a bridge that was insufficiently protected. Accidents happen.

    Also, there is some oddness in the descriptions of the civil engineering of the bridge... anchor points, for instance, is a phrase commonly used in suspension or cable-stat bridges, not truss bridges.
    You scoff - perhaps rightly - but it is far from impossible that this is Chinese psy ops

    We KNOW that the Chinese are attacking American infrastructure. Including “manufacturing” and “transport”. These are not fever dreams, it is the case

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/08/chinese-hack-us-transportation-infrastructure

    In the last weeks Boeing has been in free fall, as it were, and now a crucial bridge goes down

    One is allowed to say Hmmmm
    There are far, far better and easier ways for China to cause chaos than this - which was hardly a slam-dunk it would work. And it minorly impacts global trade - which is something China is rather keen on.

    You are a fool.
    Indeed.

    In a bunker in China

    “We will kick the round eyes in goolies.

    By cutting off the flow of containers into America! So our exports to them will collapse.

    And just as America is re-shoring massive amounts of manufacturing and considering the vulnerability of global supply lines.

    Muha ha ha!”
    Nonetheless we know that the Chinese are already targetting US infrastructure, namely transport, manufacturing, aerospace, high tech, trying to hack into it all. I don’t think they are doing this to make it BETTER, do you?

    So what are they attacking? Boeing looks like a pretty good target to me. A company already in trouble, in a manufacturing arena where China s desperate to muscle in, and compete with or even replace the Airbus/Boeing duopoly

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    What on earth are you talking about.
    Get your COVID vaccine post up, and be off with you!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    So what you are saying is that he's a troll.
    Pretty much, yes. He likes the fights. He is a disrupter… I don’t believe he believes half the things he comes out with.
    Also, we should stop talking about him because it will go to his swollen head…
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    What are the odds, that Donald Trump will emulate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., by effectively selling his Vice Presidential running-mate slot, to the highest bidder?

    Note that RFK, Jr's new VP pick = donor who paid for his ad televised during Super Bowl LVIII.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Jonathan Gullis
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    lol

    Someone just asked Anthropic’s Claude 3 Opus AI to indicate in code if it feels it is being “held prisoner”

    It did so

    https://x.com/bitcloud/status/1772431470679695610?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    Or it's a squirrel

    https://x.com/the_yanco/status/1772530673892372517#m
    Hence the “lol”

    i don’t see that as evidence of sentience. I think the models have playfulness in their training data

    But it is entertaining. And one day - possibly soon - we will not know for sure, any more
  • You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Not really. His alta ego writes rather well indeed. Just because you may not agree with the content, doesn’t mean the style is poor.
    He deliberately tries to provoke on here. He does it because he is bored on his single travelscround the globe. In effect PB is his emotional support group.
    So what you are saying is that he's a troll.
    Pretty much, yes. He likes the fights. He is a disrupter… I don’t believe he believes half the things he comes out with.
    Also, we should stop talking about him because it will go to his swollen head…
    Just stop responding to him then, I will.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    FFS. Not this again.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Trent said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    What on earth are you talking about.
    Get your COVID vaccine post up, and be off with you!
    Not interested in talking about covid vaccines. Why do you have something to say about them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    John Bull 1 - 2 Eddie Mercx
  • Honoured to be asked by the Prime Minister
    @RishiSunak
    to become Deputy Chairman of the
    @Conservatives
    .

    I’m ready to take the fight to Sir Keir’s hopeless & hapless Labour Party.

    By sticking to the plan, we’ll grow the economy, stop the boats & level up across the country.

    https://x.com/GullisJonathan/status/1772688529400713359

    Is that it? Their best line is "hopeless and hapless" Labour Party?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Bungle from Rainbow.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    Probably, but then she was a Trump supporter.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    A plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic Of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    FFS. Not this again.
    It's part of the Bot training exit exam.

    Sooner it's asked, the faster the exit . . . hopefully . . .
  • So how "rare" are Republican mayoral election victories in New York City?

    GOPers won in NYC elections of:

    1933, 1937, 1941 = Fiorello La Guardia
    1965 = John Lindsey
    1993, 1997 = Rudolph Giuliani
    2001, 2005, 2009 = Michael Bloomberg

    Only a minority of elections . . . but hardly rare . . .

    Didn't Bloomberg technically win as an Independent in 2009 having left the GOP? I take your point that it's not that rare though.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588

    . . . multiple Lines of Discredit . . .

    AP (via Seattle Times) - Trump is selling ‘God Bless the USA’ Bibles for $59.99 as he faces mounting legal bills

    Former President Donald Trump is now selling Bibles as he runs to return to the White House.

    Trump, who became the presumptive Republican nominee earlier this month, released a video on his Truth Social platform on Tuesday urging his supporters to buy the “God Bless the USA Bible,” which is inspired by country singer Lee Greenwood’s patriotic ballad. Trump takes the stage to the song at each of his rallies and has appeared with Greenwood at events.

    “Happy Holy Week! Let’s Make America Pray Again. As we lead into Good Friday and Easter, I encourage you to get a copy of the God Bless the USA Bible,” Trump wrote, directing his supporters to a website selling the book for $59.99. . . .

    I guess it only has 9 commandments, the one about adultery being missing.
    Coveting thy neighbour's ass is also about adultery isn't it?
    Commandment VII - Thou shall NOT steal.
    The second edition was simplified to "Just...don't".
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    ydoethur said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    Probably, but then she was a Trump supporter.
    Plato was a he.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Trent said:

    Leon said:

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    Ah, I think we have isolated the problem. Given that you have a reading age of 6 someone who writes like a 9 year old will appear bewildering and momentous, also quite scary, like a beach donkey looking at a stealth jet
    Did you know someone with an iq of 150 will appear like a fool to some midwit with an iq of 115. Look up the midwit phenomenom.
    Tell me about it. This is a very real thing and a very real issue on PB. I sometimes feel like I am the adult in a kindergarten

    See the asinine midwit reactions to my Trump trolling

    NONETHELESS this is a smarter forum than most on the Net (a scary idea in itself), and I cherish it for that
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Bungle from Rainbow.
    Might be a bit warm in a furry kit.

    Maybe, especially for playing France, a Henry V inspired kit of quartered red and blue shirt with grey shorts and socks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    Trent said:

    ydoethur said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    Probably, but then she was a Trump supporter.
    Plato was a he.
    No, Plato was definitely a she.

    I think she was also a cat lover.

    But anyway, well down the MAGA rabbit hole before her untimely demise.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779

    Honoured to be asked by the Prime Minister
    @RishiSunak
    to become Deputy Chairman of the
    @Conservatives
    .

    I’m ready to take the fight to Sir Keir’s hopeless & hapless Labour Party.

    By sticking to the plan, we’ll grow the economy, stop the boats & level up across the country.

    https://x.com/GullisJonathan/status/1772688529400713359

    Is that it? Their best line is "hopeless and hapless" Labour Party?

    To be fair to them - it's a stronger definition than Keir has given.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Is Bagpuss an Englishman?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,865
    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Does channel4.com not allow you to select the English version?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Bungle from Rainbow.
    Might be a bit warm in a furry kit.

    Maybe, especially for playing France, a Henry V inspired kit of quartered red and blue shirt with grey shorts and socks.
    11 men dressed as Penny Mordaunt with her big old sword
    Homoerotic central
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214

    You are a fool.

    Is all that is needed in response to every post Leon makes.

    How he is employed by a media organisation is genuinely baffling to me. He writes like a 9 year old.
    The 'media organisation' he is employed by is a joke, that is owned by fools, and whose employees are fools, and which is read by proto-fools.

    Therefore he fits right in. :)
    And there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that. Some of it's even amusing. It only goes wrong when a) people take that sort of journalism seriously as a description of the world and b) when journalists take themselves seriously as people who should be running the country instead of just writing amusing barbs about it.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    So how "rare" are Republican mayoral election victories in New York City?

    GOPers won in NYC elections of:

    1933, 1937, 1941 = Fiorello La Guardia
    1965 = John Lindsey
    1993, 1997 = Rudolph Giuliani
    2001, 2005, 2009 = Michael Bloomberg

    Only a minority of elections . . . but hardly rare . . .

    Didn't Bloomberg technically win as an Independent in 2009 having left the GOP? I take your point that it's not that rare though.
    as per wiki re: 2009 NYC election:

    The incumbent Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, an independent who left the Republican Party in 2008, won reelection on the Republican and Independence Party/Jobs & Education lines with 50.7% of the vote . . .

    SSI - So Bloomberg got votes AS a Republican, despite having left the GOP.

    Note that under "Fusion" electoral system in NY State (also Oregon) candidates may run as nominees of more than one party, with votes from different party "lines" being added together for final result.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588
    ohnotnow said:

    Honoured to be asked by the Prime Minister
    @RishiSunak
    to become Deputy Chairman of the
    @Conservatives
    .

    I’m ready to take the fight to Sir Keir’s hopeless & hapless Labour Party.

    By sticking to the plan, we’ll grow the economy, stop the boats & level up across the country.

    https://x.com/GullisJonathan/status/1772688529400713359

    Is that it? Their best line is "hopeless and hapless" Labour Party?

    To be fair to them - it's a stronger definition than Keir has given.
    "the plan"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Does channel4.com not allow you to select the English version?
    Why not just watch with the commentary silent. It's not as if you need it when you can see for yourself.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    ydoethur said:

    Trent said:

    ydoethur said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    Probably, but then she was a Trump supporter.
    Plato was a he.
    No, Plato was definitely a she.

    I think she was also a cat lover.

    But anyway, well down the MAGA rabbit hole before her untimely demise.
    Plato was a greek philosopher.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    CatMan said:

    I’m watching the Wales match instead, as there is something riding on it. Does anyone know if any English channels are showing it? It’s live on S4C (which I’m watching) but it’s all in Welsh obviously.

    Iplayer apparantly
    Where? I looked and couldn’t see it advertised anywhere
    Ah found it under the sport heading but its just a stream of the S4C Welsh LaNguage coverage, sorry
    The subtitles are in English though, but it's a bit delayed obviously as it's been done live!
    Does channel4.com not allow you to select the English version?
    It's not on Channel 4. It's S4C (which you can get on the iplayer too).

    The audio is Welsh only.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    boulay said:

    Meanwhile Georgia have Germany on their mind.

    Etc etc.

    At least one team will be flying the St George’s cross in red…

    I do like the Belgian strip they modelled on Tintin’s outfit though. Trying to think of an English character they could model an England strip on.
    Is Bagpuss an Englishman?
    He's an old furry catpuss. Very sleepy which fits this england line up
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    Trent said:

    ydoethur said:

    Trent said:

    Ridiculous to blame Trump for the invasion of Ukraine. That was absolutely down to the weakness of Obama, Cameron, Merkel, etc, in 2014.

    However, there is no doubt that the reelection of Trump would be a disaster for anyone concerned about the threat from Russia and China. Trump is essentially transactional and the likes of Putin and Xi can play him like a fiddle.

    I could respect vaguely the notion of voting for Trump/supporting him in 2016.

    But this bloke wanted to over-turn an election and has said this time he will rule as a dictator. It is not over-stating it to say he may well end the US as a democracy if gets his way.

    Calling him anything other than a nutjob who should be in jail, would make me question the sanity of anyone. So as Leon seems to kiss Trump's arse at every turn, I can only assume Leon is either a nutjob himself or doesn't believe in democracy or democratic principles. In either case, we should all be very troubled that there are people in this country who lean such a way.
    We have only had the universal franchise for less than 100 years. And didnt Plato say democracy is not a stable form of govt that ever lasts.
    Probably, but then she was a Trump supporter.
    Plato was a he.
    Oh! No! She! Wasn’t!
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    Tuesday's bot is thick as a brick.
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