David Cameron’s maxim about Twitter proved right once again – politicalbetting.com
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Campaign spending limits? Is that why Susan Hall has disowned it?0
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It's GOT to be a parody, right??0
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I wondered too. Or perhaps plain legal dodginess.DecrepiterJohnL said:Campaign spending limits? Is that why Susan Hall has disowned it?
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The ad or the party?Sunil_Prasannan said:It's GOT to be a parody, right??
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ToryJim said:
The ad or the party?Sunil_Prasannan said:It's GOT to be a parody, right??
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As everyone else has said, it does come across as a MAGA/GOP-style ad, and we should absolutely resist that. It is entirely possible to critique Khan's mayoral record and his plans for another term without this sort of nonsense.0
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"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.5 -
This is such a great point that I'm bringing it to the new thread.ToryJim said:
The problem is that by defining a position in antithesis to x you make it easier for x to confirm their position in antithesis to you. Instead of anything moving forward everyone just digs in and takes the WWI Generals approach of doing the same thing just with bigger artillery and more shells. The danger of this approach to politics is that actually the slow retreat to the extremes gets embedded and eventually the moderates leave the field and you don’t need a doctorate in mid 20th century history to know the outcome of that sort of process.darkage said:
I think this viewpoint is similar to my own but I have been tired with the apparent acceptance of the extremes of the left over the past decade or so.ToryJim said:
Doing the polar opposite of a problem doesn’t represent a solution but a further species of problem. In the same way setting up a broadcaster to preach, patronise and condescend to a different demographic doesn’t solve any problems real or imagined with broadcasting.darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
In terms of the current iteration of the culture wars, the woke/anti-woke movements it’s basically two sides who think the world can be perfected if everyone falls in step with their ideology. They are both based on the same wrong premise; the world cannot be perfected there are just an infinite series of trade offs.
The 'right woke' are a necessary antithesis. It is only because characters like Laurence Fox and Lee Anderson come on to the scene that the left can no longer do all the running. No longer is a free pass given to the statue topplers and pro hamas demonstraters, nor the gender totalitarians. I am not joining the 'right woke' but I concede absolutely that they are necessary to move things forward a bit.7 -
British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798
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Indeedanothernick said:
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
I should add that #NU10K isn’t the above. It’s the idea that above a certain level, the incompetent form a jerk circle to insulate themselves from reality.
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Unfortunately this thread is another example of fake news. Boris Johnson doesn't have allies in the prural. Just Nadine.1
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‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.0 -
Does anybody happen to know just how many of the Conservative HQ staff are, in fact, American? Just an idle thought.....0
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Sounds like the branding for an Airbus version of a dodgy plane with quick release doorsOldKingCole said:‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.
Seems to be a trading app/platform so not necessarily a scam per se, but a quick way for the unwary to be parted from their money.0 -
Do they want to make Reform look like the small-c conservative choice?0
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Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all othersanothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
From this misbegotten abortion of a concept much evil flows, and it enters every corner of human life
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He was Deputy Chair of the Party - payroll vote. If they didn't appoint him a minister without portfolio then ok, but he was definitely party of the government.MattW said:Hmmmm.
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Facebook is mostly just scams now. Excepting for the fact a few people still contact me on messenger, I'd have deleted my profile. Still might.OldKingCole said:‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.1 -
Have they alerted Boris ?DecrepiterJohnL said:British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798
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On topic, I'm not actually sure recent events prove Cameron's old remark about Twitter correct.
What Cameron had in mind, I think, was the casual, throwaway remark on Twitter. The careless retweet, or the MP's intemperate reply that often gets made later in the evening when a drink or two has been taken.
In this case, these are carefully scripted and professionally put together videos and websites. That's a rather different thing and potentially more worrying in terms of the competence of the Tory operation. This isn't Bob Nobody MP being silly after a decent claret too many.4 -
Which neatly proves my point - woke is a catch-all word for ideas and people you don't like but have no coherent or evidence-based arguments to put forward. It's all just an overwhelming horror......Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all othersanothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
From this misbegotten abortion of a concept much evil flows, and it enters every corner of human life
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How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.1 -
The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 20160
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Yes, I think that's right.SirNorfolkPassmore said:On topic, I'm not actually sure recent events prove Cameron's old remark about Twitter correct.
What Cameron had in mind, I think, was the casual, throwaway remark on Twitter. The careless retweet, or the MP's intemperate reply that often gets made later in the evening when a drink or two has been taken.
In this case, these are carefully scripted and professionally put together videos and websites. That's a rather different thing and potentially more worrying in terms of the competence of the Tory operation. This isn't Bob Nobody MP being silly after a decent claret too many.
Cammo was, to my memory, referring to then-burgeoning habit of public figures engaging in a running commentary/debate on social media (which is now less common, as MPs etc are much more alive to the risks).
This turd of a video was planned, and published, by a bunch of incels at Central Office.
Nothing like the same thing.2 -
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
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FPT, to give Leon something to read on his many flights.
No - it's a twitter thread by a virologist.Carnyx said:
Any reference to the paper please?Nigelb said:Interesting (and lengthy) thread on Covid evolution.
Do we have any specialists in viral evolution to comment ?
https://twitter.com/SolidEvidence/status/1772329032287404326
This is amazing.
Can cryptic lineages tell us anything about the origins of SARS-CoV-2 (SC2)?
The answer may surprise you, it surprised the hell out of me...
(Lots & lots of technical stuff)
...Takehome message:
SARS-CoV-2 is not just a normal bat Sarbecovirus with a furin-cleave site added.
The changes are not ‘random’. This virus seemingly had significantly aclimated to a non-GI environment in ways that I believe could only occur through natural selection.
The simplest explanation (to me) is that SC2 circulated in a non-human host in a non-GI compartment for several years before it crossed into humans. This gives me hope that the SC2 progenitor might still be found one day.
Even if you believe that the FCS was engineered into SC2 (starting from an unknown virus), the virus would have had to have been cultured in a ‘non-gut’ environment with almost no immune pressure for a long time (probably years) before it passed to human...
Though nothing would surprise me, after learning many years ago that the cholera bacterium is primarily an inhabitant of the carapace of shrimps etc. and that any affinity with the human gut is presumably accidental, so the effects on humans are secondary (unless of course it is a dispersal mechanism to other waters, but it's not possible to go all Aristotelean on natural selection anyway ...).
Several papers referenced, but the reasoning/finding is recent (and came as a surprise to him) and is not yet published elsewhere.
You'll have to read it.
References include:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666524723003725?via=ihub
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-40706-y#MOESM1
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf9302
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28246-3
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.09.14.23295379v1
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04532-4
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votesnoneoftheabove said:
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."0 -
Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.Nigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
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If 'wokism' leads to the overthrow of the government of Russia then I'm all for itwilliamglenn said:
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.Nigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
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Don’t think so, he may as erstwhile deputy chairman have attended a political cabinet but given he was only in that role to mollify the headbangers I doubt he was making any actual decisions and he certainly wasn’t determining government policy or indeed practice.OldKingCole said:
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Speaking of toxic . . .
Numerous media outlets reporting that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is selecting Nicole Shanahan as his Vice Presidential running mate for his 2024 "independent" presidential candidacy.
AKA as The Blighted Potato-Head Ticket
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He is not denying he was a Tory MP who generally supported the government. What is the point of moaning about factual innaccuracies vs Khan, if we should ignore factual accuracies vs Anderson because he is an idiot? That just opens up the door for those who assume Khan is an idiot to think that was fine too.RochdalePioneers said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votesnoneoftheabove said:
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."
Either things that are plain wrong are corrected, or not. Anderson wanting the record corrected shouldn't be controversial at all, especially not by those who want more honesty in politics.1 -
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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Anderson is being unreasonably pedantic for a man not known for his perspicacity in choice of words.RochdalePioneers said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votesnoneoftheabove said:
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."
Having said that, he is technically right that an MP for the governing party isn't the same as being part of the government. To take that line would mean Ted Heath was part of Thatcher's government, and that Jeremy Corbyn was part of Blair's.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_aircraft_carrierDecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
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You must always be at 'work' then, as you never say anything considered, interesting, and particularly articulate.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure2 -
No, it's like current Republicans calling everyone is the Democratic party Communists.williamglenn said:
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.Nigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.2 -
I sense there’s a lot of concern for my well-being on my arduous journey so yes I am doing it in business
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Enjoy your flights, wokefinder general.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure5 -
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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Already done for container ships. Contender Bezant is now RFA Argus (aviation training ship until recently, if only for helicopters). And technically Atlantic Conveyor was a very quick conversion into an aircraft carrier from which rotary wing machines could take off.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_aircraft_carrierDecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't tell the Ministry of Defence or they will turn it into an aircraft carrier.Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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Its splitting hairs. Any Tory MP is an MP of the party in government. And he was Deputy Chair of the party - part of the government payroll vote (whether they paid him or not - an unpaid PPS is also part of the "payroll" vote.noneoftheabove said:
He is not denying he was a Tory MP who generally supported the government. What is the point of moaning about factual innaccuracies vs Khan, if we should ignore factual accuracies vs Anderson because he is an idiot? That just opens up the door for those who assume Khan is an idiot to think that was fine too.RochdalePioneers said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votesnoneoftheabove said:
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."
Either things that are plain wrong are corrected, or not. Anderson wanting the record corrected shouldn't be controversial at all, especially not by those who want more honesty in politics.
Anyway, he's gone from the party so it doesn't matter.0 -
The other day a PBer (forget who) was opining that the upcoming US Senate race in New Jersey might be a Republican pickup opportunity, given the scandal engulfing Democratic incumbent Robert Mendacious (sp?).
However . . .
Cook Political Report - With Murphy Exit, Kim On Glide Path To Senate as New Jersey Moves to Solid Democrat
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/new-jersey-senate/murphy-exit-kim-glide-path-senate-new-jersey-moves-solid-democrat
SSI - The exit of Governor Murphy's wife, who was attempting to bully/buy her way to the US Senate (not exactly unique in US history) is good news methinks, for Democrats, for New Jersey and for Congress. (Lord know they all need ALL the help they can get!)
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You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure1 -
I wonder if he kept his thoughts to himself while there, though!ToryJim said:
Don’t think so, he may as erstwhile deputy chairman have attended a political cabinet but given he was only in that role to mollify the headbangers I doubt he was making any actual decisions and he certainly wasn’t determining government policy or indeed practice.OldKingCole said:0 -
Re: the ship that crashed into and wrecked the Key Bridge in Baltimore, now being reported that it lost engine power just before the crash.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.Carnyx said:
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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Kim is something of a breath of fresh air as far as NJ politics is concerned, is he not ?SeaShantyIrish2 said:The other day a PBer (forget who) was opining that the upcoming US Senate race in New Jersey might be a Republican pickup opportunity, given the scandal engulfing Democratic incumbent Robert Mendacious (sp?).
However . . .
Cook Political Report - With Murphy Exit, Kim On Glide Path To Senate as New Jersey Moves to Solid Democrat
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/new-jersey-senate/murphy-exit-kim-glide-path-senate-new-jersey-moves-solid-democrat
SSI - The exit of Governor Murphy's wife, who was attempting to bully/buy her way to the US Senate (not exactly unique in US history) is good news methinks, for Democrats, for New Jersey and for Congress. (Lord know they all need ALL the help they can get!)1 -
Well I hope the daft bugger brought it back down again.DecrepiterJohnL said:British man becomes first person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro carrying a 30kg fridge
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-man-becomes-first-person-32442798
The Mirror is silent on the question of knees and ACL (fpt).
Far too much fly tipping these days.7 -
That was fairly obvious from the video, when all the lights go out, and there's a big puff of smoke, either from a engine problem, or more likely IMV, a rush restart. Then I think the lights go out a second time briefly.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Re: the ship that crashed into and wrecked the Key Bridge in Baltimore, now being reported that it lost engine power just before the crash.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Apparently they also made a Mayday call to say loss of power.
There'll be many learning lessons from this. Sadly, the maritime business ecosystem is not keen to learn lessons.1 -
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Old man ranting at the Moon.Daveyboy1961 said:
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure0 -
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.Scott_xP said:@aljwhite
Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:
I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...0 -
Especially ironic considering that MAGA-GOPers and fellow hench-people (including those infesting PB) are engaged in giving 24/7/366 oral relief (in more ways that one!) to neo-Commie Comrade-in Chief Vladimir Putin.Nigelb said:
No, it's like current Republicans calling everyone is the Democratic party Communists.williamglenn said:
That’s like someone in the early 1900s dismissing communism as an irrelevant fringe belief.Nigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.0 -
Ship that crashed in Baltimore harbor reportedly had two pilots on board, reckon that visibility was NOT the issue.JosiasJessop said:
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.Carnyx said:
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Instead, loss of engine power as is now being reported.0 -
Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?Daveyboy1961 said:
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025
Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia
At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos
Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*
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One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.0 -
Monkey surely?JosiasJessop said:
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.Carnyx said:
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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If Robert Peston was investing surely the option is to short the shares as much as possible?OldKingCole said:‘Interesting’ post popped on my Facebook page. Allegedly Robert Peston has invested in something called A8MaxAir, and like everyone else who has done so is making a fortune!
Clearly it’s a scam of some sort but they ‘only’ want £250 to start, so I can well imagine people falling for it.5 -
Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.1 -
When I sailed on a tall ship, there was always one or two people on the bow to keep an eye out for exactly that sort of thing. A semi-submerged container might have sunk the Asgard II the previous year. I got to see some brilliant biofluorescence around the bow one night; like the sea around it was being illumated by lasers.anothernick said:
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_II1 -
Sorry, finger trouble. Yes, Monkey Island.Carnyx said:
Monkey surely?JosiasJessop said:
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.Carnyx said:
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.Northern_Al said:
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.Scott_xP said:@aljwhite
Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:
I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.
It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.2 -
In the acknowledgements section of my PhD, I thanked one of my supervisors for his 'helpful contributions', omitting the fact that these were very limited, to the extent that the plural was perhaps not justified.ydoethur said:
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.Northern_Al said:
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.Scott_xP said:@aljwhite
Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:
I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.
It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.2 -
Indeed, and of course those desperate to hang on to power by their grimy little fingernails at all costs like to divert, divide and rule as history has repeatedly told us...anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.0 -
Monbeg Genius is out of next month's Grand National.
Owned by Baroness Mone of PPE.0 -
Parliament != Government. Government is in Whitehall. Parliament is in Westminster.RochdalePioneers said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25894/lee_anderson/ashfield/votesnoneoftheabove said:
Didn't think I would be supporting Anderson, but this seems fair enough. "In the government" has a fairly clear meaning. A lot of the time he has been critical of his own parties leadership.MattW said:Hmmmm.
"Lee Anderson is a Conservative MP, and on the vast majority of issues follow instructions from their party and vote the same way as other Conservative MPs."1 -
I was more thinking of the credits in Private's Progress:Selebian said:
In the acknowledgements section of my PhD, I thanked one of my supervisors for his 'helpful contributions', omitting the fact that these were very limited, to the extent that the plural was perhaps not justified.ydoethur said:
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.Northern_Al said:
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.Scott_xP said:@aljwhite
Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:
I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few. If any.
It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.
The producers gratefully acknowledge the official co-operation of absolutely nobody.1 -
Your original naming was 0KJosiasJessop said:
Sorry, finger trouble. Yes, Monkey Island.Carnyx said:
Monkey surely?JosiasJessop said:
I think it's called the Money Island / Flying Bridge.Carnyx said:
One can see over them, though not close up; but in any case don't the bridge wings give a clear 180deg view on either beam, from bow round to quarter and stern?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
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This accident did NOT occur out in the ocean, but rather in Baltimore harbor.anothernick said:
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.
There were TWO pilots on board - that is, not members of the crew, but certified to pilot ships into & out of Baltimore to the Atlantic via Chesapeake Bay.
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How many more elections are the Tories trying to ensure they will lose?1
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I hope the aged weary person didn't mind.Leon said:
Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?Daveyboy1961 said:
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025
Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia
At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos
Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*3 -
Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.0 -
Feels like it should be a Nostradamus quatrainwooliedyed said:Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.
And the garment of the marshman
Will be rendered with blackness in Cathay
Moon faces averted from Genoa’s cloth
Even as Scythia bleeds, and bridges fall2 -
So they had pictures of panic in New York, pictures of housing in Peterborough and some fairly dodgy (to put it mildly) statistics on violent crime in London?
That's a less than optimal performance, it has to be said. Add in the racist and anti-Islamic undertones and the word "seized" and you have a broadcast that no political party in this country should ever have produced.
Disappointing. Please stay after class.4 -
How did autocorrect turn that 't' into a 'c?'DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
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He’s quite specific, though, that he’s thanking those in his section, not DfE officials in general. He’s done well in Harlow, which ought to be marginal.ydoethur said:
Well, he's welcome to thank any outstanding ones he can find.Northern_Al said:
Another of the few remaining reasonably sensible Tories bites the dust.Scott_xP said:@aljwhite
Robert Halfon is stepping down and resigning as a minister
Our most prolific education contributor will not enjoy Halfon's resignation letter, which includes:
I would like to thank.....the outstanding officials in the skills, apprenticeships and higher education teams at the DfE...
He might be in for a long hunt, of course. On account of the fact that there are very few.
It might depend slightly on how many works meetings they have attended as well.0 -
He offered a bemused but good natured chuckleLuckyguy1983 said:
I hope the aged weary person didn't mind.Leon said:
Why? Who? Duh? What do I care if this is the level of discourse?Daveyboy1961 said:
You would fit in well as a character on the Fast Show.Leon said:
This is depressingly stupidNigelb said:
How many people do you imagine hold those views as you describe them (rather than a mild version of a small subset of them) ?Leon said:
Woke is an extremely hand and nicely pejorative word for the ensemble of insane ideas, policies, politics that see a person’s unalterable identity - sexual, racial, social - as more important than anything else (like character or attitude or persona or desires), and that certain races and genders - whites, males, etc - are inherently racist and sexist and always the oppressors, and that this is THE overwhelming truth and horror of society which must be addressed above and beyond all others ..anothernick said:FPT
"Woke" seems to me to be a catch-all term of division like "blob" or "establishment" or "deep state" not to mention "enemies of the people." It is designed to encourage fragmentation of society by persuading people that their interests are being undermined by malevolent forces conspiring against them.darkage said:
There is a lot in this @rcs1000.rcs1000 said:
Why is it that it is always that Trump (and the MAGA right) is a reaction to woke? Why not the other way around?darkage said:I appreciate that this may just be me seeing what I want to see but I have become aware of signs that men in particular are getting fed up with 'woke' ; I went out for a few beers last night and on the fourth pint, my friend was agreeing on subjects like that cancelling people had gone too far, that the kids will get fed up with the totalitarian indoctrination in schools on issues like 'gender' and 'hate speech' and rebel against it; that the woke right (ie Trump 2024) are an inevitable and predictable response to the extremes of the 'woke left', etc etc. It is only a personal anecdote but for many years this group of friends were very accepting of the zeitgeist but now I am detecting that they are changing and seeing the world differently. I've also seen this with older friends as well who start to look at the left and right and comment 'they are both as bad as each other'. Something also increasingly evident with commentators on here.
Take immigration. Under Obama, the Southern US border was essentially under control. Crossings were at a twenty year low. Trump then made a big deal of it, and the Left reacted against him.
See also Brexit in the UK- in many ways 'woke' was an evolution of 'remain', responding in turn to the obsession with a hard Brexit, which itself was a response to the approach to EU integration pursued by the political establishment.
If it's more than a handful, it's probably you that's insane.
I don’t think you’re that dim so I shall presume you’re at work and unable to say anything more considered, interesting or articulate, due to time pressure
More interestingly, I have just been invited to join the first ever river cruise down the Rio Maddalena (the Mississippi of South America) in 70 years! Embarking January 2025
Imagine. No one has done this journey for many decades - it’s the river journey taken by Humboldt and Bolivar. Through jungle and wetland, past pirate lairs and native villages, via gorges and whirlpools. All the time the river has been off limits due to La Violencia
At the height of the narcowars and the FARC rebellion the river was literally choked with corpses at various pinch points. Like Dorada - near Escobar’s hacienda. Or Banco. Or Mompos
Oooooooh. *rubs aged, weary thighs with excitement*
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Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.0 -
Not much they can do if the power goes out completely - which seems to have happened.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
This accident did NOT occur out in the ocean, but rather in Baltimore harbor.anothernick said:
One hopes their navigation system did not rely entirely on the captain's eyesight.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not surprised given the huge stack of containers forward of the bridge! How can the captain see clearly?!Scott_xP said:The ship that crashed in Baltimore this morning also crashed in Antwerp in 2016
Having said that though I am reminded of a "behind the scenes" tour of a modern cruise liner that I once did - The bridge bristled with computer screens and navigation systems so I was surprised to find a couple of guys with binoculars surveying the sea ahead of the ship. Surely this was not necessary I said to the captain, the systems would warn of any hazards. No he said, the systems only pick up large metallic objects, they would not "see" a small non-metallic boat, ships still use human lookouts to avoid the risk of collisions.
There were TWO pilots on board - that is, not members of the crew, but certified to pilot ships into & out of Baltimore to the Atlantic via Chesapeake Bay.0 -
Doom prophecy is purdy.Leon said:
Feels like it should be a Nostradamus quatrainwooliedyed said:Portents of the end. North Korea have (according to the BBC) censored Alan Titchmarsh's jeans in a broadcast.
Endgame.
And the garment of the marshman
Will be rendered with blackness in Cathay
Moon faces averted from Genoa’s cloth
Even as Scythia bleeds, and bridges fall
It's also covered in the 112th and final stanza of The Prophecy Of The Popes. Modern scholars believe Charlie Dimmock is Peter the Roman rather than Francis the Fancyman0 -
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
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Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.williamglenn said:
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.0 -
https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling
B 43
T 42
Interestingly (maybe) both now have the same net favourability 46/51 (-5)0 -
Who knows ?DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
If it's a million small fry suckers, then nothing that they'll ever receive.
But see also Gamestop - another loss making company that became a meme stock, and defied bankruptcy in the face of financial logic.
Still, it did have around a thousand times the turnover of Truth Social.0 -
Labour are leafleting and canvassing in Guildford with dodgy bar charts (that's our job) showing they are the main challengers. Honestly they would rather the Tories hold Guildford by trying to thwart the LDs. Why not concentrate on sensible targets (admittedly not a lot around here).3
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Trump will be mortified if he makes big money on the deal but lots of his supporters lose out.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes although I fear for the bank accounts of small MAGA investors.williamglenn said:
Nice revenge for being banned from Twitter.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.2 -
I think it's a monumental short squeeze.DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
Remember, this is a business doing less than $5m in sales, running a massive loss.
Remember, too, that monetizing these businesses is hard. Because - unlike Google or Facebook - you don't know anything about your users.2 -
It's a good point, and it will - no doubt - allow DJT to liquidate some stock, which will help with his current travails.Nigelb said:
Who knows ?DavidL said:
It would be really interesting to know who is push buying these shares on debut. And what they might expect from the next POTUS in return.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump's media company valued at nearly $9.6 billion as shares soar in debut
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-s-media-company-valued-at-nearly-9-6-billion-as-shares-soar-in-debut/ar-BB1kzl9r
World's greatest business chief.
If it's a million small fry suckers, then nothing that they'll ever receive.
But see also Gamestop - another loss making company that became a meme stock, and defied bankruptcy in the face of financial logic.
Still, it did have around a thousand times the turnover of Truth Social.0 -
Please stay after class? Personally, I think it's time for expulsion.DavidL said:So they had pictures of panic in New York, pictures of housing in Peterborough and some fairly dodgy (to put it mildly) statistics on violent crime in London?
That's a less than optimal performance, it has to be said. Add in the racist and anti-Islamic undertones and the word "seized" and you have a broadcast that no political party in this country should ever have produced.
Disappointing. Please stay after class.1
