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Well the good news is that even if Galloway gets in we'll not have long until he gets thrown back out again in a GE.Stuartinromford said:
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
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What's his position on holy oil?LostPassword said:
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.Stuartinromford said:
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.0 -
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I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
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Holy water should be good enough for everyone.Benpointer said:
What's his position on holy oil?LostPassword said:
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.Stuartinromford said:
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.0 -
This feels like series 6 - the narrative arc sucksStocky said:
The comedy value which was the past Trump presidency can only be exceeded by a new tenure from a prison cell.HYUFD said:
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?1 -
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.StillWaters said:
Both148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest0 -
It's been all downhill since the peak of the "Four Seasons Total Landscaping" press conferenceStillWaters said:
This feels like series 6 - the narrative arc sucksStocky said:
The comedy value which was the past Trump presidency can only be exceeded by a new tenure from a prison cell.HYUFD said:
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?1 -
Two random off topic comments:
1. After paying for a bit of parking on the PayByPhone app I counted up how many parking apps I have on my phone. 11. Time for government to force through a national monopoly.
2. I have been enjoying a bag of Torres “fried egg flavour” crisps for the first time, bought in a small grocery shop in Totnes a while back. A complete revelation. Anyone else tried them? I’d say are closest in taste to a really nice Spanish omelette.
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40 seconds update from Starsports says they've been laying Ali/Lab since yesterday. Also money for rag David Tully.NickyBreakspear said:
leak of postal votes?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
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A lot of Haley backers and voters are Democrats, trying their best to keep her in the race.HYUFD said:Albeit a lot of Haley voters are Independents not Republicans.
However Trump did win Independents in 2016 but lost them in 2020 so where they go could be crucial if most Haley voters vote Biden or stay home in November0 -
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.0
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Trouble is she’s relying on the told-you-so moment of vindication. Many politicians have held on to the hope of one of those moments and most have fallen by the wayside. And he who wields the knife never wears the crown.MarqueeMark said:
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.StillWaters said:
Both148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest0 -
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.2
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The Sun as a broadsheet is arguably more interesting. I expect someone somewhere will have checked if he picked any winners.Cookie said:Right: I'm going to say this because I can't stop thinking about it, and I might get a slightly more sympathetic hearing here than I have done IRL.
I started rewatching the Ipcress File last night, 20-odd years after I first saw it. And it struck me in the opening scene that the train from London to Nottingham was scheduled to call at RUGBY, Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield. And it struck me - that must be the old Great Central route out of Marylebone!
Going to be hard for the rest of the film to live up to that early excitement.
I've tried telling people IRL this and they're not really interested.0 -
Does it Code?MattW said:Well, I've edited my first video with Da Vinci.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzvQjUUFny8
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
Quite impressed with Da Vinci.1 -
My printer has stopped working0
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YesMarqueeMark said:
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.StillWaters said:
Both148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest0 -
Yes, Haley needs to show that she and not Ron DeSantis will be frontrunner in 2028.MarqueeMark said:
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.StillWaters said:
Both148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest0 -
Yes it’s surprising and not as if they don’t have council seats and local targets in the region. Possibly just a bit last minute. A real shame too that the Lib Dem candidate wasn’t a woman, given the single sex line up.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?Leon said:My printer has stopped working
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The Commons is currently heaving with independent MPs who got kicked out of their parties. One more ain’t gonna make much difference.LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.0 -
Was genuinely wondering if Rosslyn Chapel and conspiracy theories had become the latest folk devil and moral panic to afflict PB!ydoethur said:
Does it Code?MattW said:Well, I've edited my first video with Da Vinci.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzvQjUUFny8
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
Quite impressed with Da Vinci.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8Leon said:My printer has stopped working
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I hope so. I'm browned off with AI.Carnyx said:
Was genuinely wondering if Rosslyn Chapel and conspiracy theories had become the latest folk devil and moral panic to afflict PB!ydoethur said:
Does it Code?MattW said:Well, I've edited my first video with Da Vinci.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzvQjUUFny8
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
Quite impressed with Da Vinci.0 -
Probably affirmative action as the LibDems try to get some gender diversity in the Parliamentary party. Currently only one third male!TimS said:
Yes it’s surprising and not as if they don’t have council seats and local targets in the region. Possibly just a bit last minute. A real shame too that the Lib Dem candidate wasn’t a woman, given the single sex line up.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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Don't have roomDecrepiterJohnL said:
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?Leon said:My printer has stopped working
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes1 -
He was the future once.Big_G_NorthWales said:Paul Pogba banned for 4 years for doping
Pogba 'sad and shocked' at four-year ban for doping - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/684368282 -
On topic:
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You should fly back to that poor place where you can print a whole book for £6.50.Leon said:
Don't have roomDecrepiterJohnL said:
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?Leon said:My printer has stopped working
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes0 -
That would be an ecumenical matter.Benpointer said:
What's his position on holy oil?LostPassword said:
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.Stuartinromford said:
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.0 -
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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Yes, I noticed that too!DecrepiterJohnL said:
The Sun as a broadsheet is arguably more interesting. I expect someone somewhere will have checked if he picked any winners.Cookie said:Right: I'm going to say this because I can't stop thinking about it, and I might get a slightly more sympathetic hearing here than I have done IRL.
I started rewatching the Ipcress File last night, 20-odd years after I first saw it. And it struck me in the opening scene that the train from London to Nottingham was scheduled to call at RUGBY, Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield. And it struck me - that must be the old Great Central route out of Marylebone!
Going to be hard for the rest of the film to live up to that early excitement.
I've tried telling people IRL this and they're not really interested.1 -
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.Pulpstar said:
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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LDs put no effort in.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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I lived in Rochdale of a couple of years, back in the early 60's. Mrs C lived there while growing up.Sandpit said:On topic:
I'm very sad about what Rochdale politics seem to have become.2 -
Change the wording of poll question(s) and you're likely to see a big-ish swing on this (and also on many other) issues.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't doubt it but Savanta has a poll that by 54% to 40% want tax cuts which is not the general narrativeLostPassword said:
60% time for a change is pretty terminal. Only 21% disagree.Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks like a plague on both your houses on this poll
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If Cyril Smith had put his weight behind it.....Barnesian said:
LDs put no effort in.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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This is fun. @Cyclefree’s Twitter thread on Wayne Couzens.
https://x.com/cyclefree2/status/1763205831904886993?s=61
I think we all know her opinion on the subject, but nonetheless…0 -
Do you live in a telephone box or something? What do you mean you don't have room?. I have a very old laser printer and it is quite small. The one before that was diddy.Leon said:
Don't have roomDecrepiterJohnL said:
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?Leon said:My printer has stopped working
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes0 -
As opposed to the halcyon days of the Seventies?OldKingCole said:
I lived in Rochdale of a couple of years, back in the early 60's. Mrs C lived there while growing up.Sandpit said:On topic:
I'm very sad about what Rochdale politics seem to have become.1 -
That’s a lot of weight!OldKingCole said:
If Cyril Smith had put his weight behind it.....Barnesian said:
LDs put no effort in.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report2
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With the Tories on their scorched earth policy Labour are going to have to either do another u-turn on some key proposals or find another revenue stream .
Reeves and Starmer should never have boxed themselves in over tax rises for higher earners . Now at the rate the Tories are going Labour if they keep the Tory tax cuts will have to oversee huge cuts to public services .0 -
My father in law bought a Samsung Xpress laser printer after getting bored with expensive ink and it is smaller than most inkjets.kjh said:
Do you live in a telephone box or something? What do you mean you don't have room?. I have a very old laser printer and it is quite small. The one before that was diddy.Leon said:
Don't have roomDecrepiterJohnL said:
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?Leon said:My printer has stopped working
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes1 -
It’s horrific . The IDF slaughtering people who were waiting for food . They’re now blaming the ensuing panic when their soldiers started executing people on the high death toll .Roger said:Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
Any sympathy Israel might have had after October 7 is long gone .5 -
It's sad. Bless him.Leon said:Turns out my agent is/was the agent of the Hairy Bikers
she tells me Dave Myers was, in real life, all the things you saw on screen: friendly, warm, kind, funny, decent, genial
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Christian Horner.
What a tool.
Only fair outcome is to strip Red Bull and their drivers of all their titles.0 -
Knowing what we do now probably best he didn't, even if he was alive stillOldKingCole said:
If Cyril Smith had put his weight behind it.....Barnesian said:
LDs put no effort in.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
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He makes me look subtle around women.kinabalu said:
Has he been misusing DRS?Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
He forgot the golden rule.
Don’t poke the payroll or try to.2 -
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote0 -
Police will be automatically suspended for certain criminal offences, says CleverlySandpit said:This is fun. @Cyclefree’s Twitter thread on Wayne Couzens.
https://x.com/cyclefree2/status/1763205831904886993?s=61
I think we all know her opinion on the subject, but nonetheless…
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-automatically-suspended-certain-criminal-173439745.html0 -
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.Sandpit said:
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.Pulpstar said:
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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'The charge Trump faces, falsifying business records, is a class E felony, carrying a maximum prison sentence of four years.The hush-money case is a state prosecution, not federal, so Trump would not be able to pardon himself if he won the presidency in 2024.'kjh said:
All I can tell you is from all I have read a first offence normally involves a fine. I really hope I am wrong and you are right. I would be overjoyed if you were right on this one I can tell you.HYUFD said:
Trump is facing 34 charges even in the Daniels case each of which carries a 4 year jail term maximum.kjh said:
My understanding is that for a first offence it is not normal to go to jail (sadly) in these type of cases.HYUFD said:
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
Given his not guilty plea, his complete lack of remorse and contempt for the judge, the idea the judge is going to be minded to give him probation or a suspended sentence if convicted is unlikely
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/trump-court-stormy-daniels-case
Which raises the interesting prospect of Trump running his general election campaign from jail and if he wins being inaugrated from jail and being President from jail. Albeit one would expect independents to have deserted him by then0 -
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.Luckyguy1983 said:
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.Sandpit said:
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.Pulpstar said:
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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Offences such as abduction, rape, or murder?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Police will be automatically suspended for certain criminal offences, says CleverlySandpit said:This is fun. @Cyclefree’s Twitter thread on Wayne Couzens.
https://x.com/cyclefree2/status/1763205831904886993?s=61
I think we all know her opinion on the subject, but nonetheless…
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-automatically-suspended-certain-criminal-173439745.html1 -
The optics of slaughtering people who are literally starving to death and desperate for food won’t be forgotten . The IDF and Netenyahu are out of control .kinabalu said:
That 'D' in IDF is looking increasingly out of place.Roger said:Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
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No potholes in Rochdale, Lancashire?
Look at the filth Galloway is pumping out in Rochdale.
https://x.com/mrharrycole/status/1763225268674527367?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q1 -
Yes. An entire period, with all its diverse elements and dramatic events, running from June 1967 to October 2023 is over. And it isn't coming back. Something entirely new is coming about. No-one has any idea what it is.nico679 said:
The optics of slaughtering people who are literally starving to death and desperate for food won’t be forgotten . The IDF and Netenyahu are out of control .kinabalu said:
That 'D' in IDF is looking increasingly out of place.Roger said:Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
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Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
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He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.0 -
The one he sent to non-muslims is pretty amusing too:Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
"Make Rochdale Great Again"0 -
It amuses me that the BBC punctiliously refer to Geri as a "Former Spice Girls singer" rather than a "Former Spice Girl". It's political correctness gone mad.kinabalu said:
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.Luckyguy1983 said:
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.Sandpit said:
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.Pulpstar said:
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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o/t: Any views as to BA vs Virgin to the US?
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)0 -
It amuses me that the articles about Horner have headlines that start “Geri Halliwell’s husband in trouble…”Alphabet_Soup said:
It amuses me that the BBC punctiliously refer to Gerri as a "Former Spice Girls singer" rather than a "Former Spice Girl". It's political correctness gone mad.kinabalu said:
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.Luckyguy1983 said:
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.Sandpit said:
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.Pulpstar said:
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.Pulpstar said:
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.Sandpit said:Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
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You'll never see Christian Horner on a Virgin...Omnium said:o/t: Any views as to BA vs Virgin to the US?
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)
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Yes you would have thought your typical floating voter would baulk at electing a guy doing porridge as president.HYUFD said:
'The charge Trump faces, falsifying business records, is a class E felony, carrying a maximum prison sentence of four years.The hush-money case is a state prosecution, not federal, so Trump would not be able to pardon himself if he won the presidency in 2024.'kjh said:
All I can tell you is from all I have read a first offence normally involves a fine. I really hope I am wrong and you are right. I would be overjoyed if you were right on this one I can tell you.HYUFD said:
Trump is facing 34 charges even in the Daniels case each of which carries a 4 year jail term maximum.kjh said:
My understanding is that for a first offence it is not normal to go to jail (sadly) in these type of cases.HYUFD said:
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell148grss said:
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).LostPassword said:Is this why Haley is running?
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
Given his not guilty plea, his complete lack of remorse and contempt for the judge, the idea the judge is going to be minded to give him probation or a suspended sentence if convicted is unlikely
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/trump-court-stormy-daniels-case
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Assuming you are flying coach, the experiences are very similar. Both will fly you in modern planes (787s mostly), and are equally reliable.Omnium said:o/t: Any views as to BA vs Virgin to the US?
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)
I think price - and plane times - would be my differentiating factor.0 -
Rochdale is neck-and-neck according to the latest Betfair numbers.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/uk-by-elections/rochdale-by-election-betting-1.2242208341 -
I have to say, if some of the pictures out there are correct he doesn't seem to be that big a tool.TheScreamingEagles said:Christian Horner.
What a tool.
Only fair outcome is to strip Red Bull and their drivers of all their titles.
More Christian Hornier than I can cope with though.0 -
Not for those no, it will only be for more serious offences.Sandpit said:
Offences such as abduction, rape, or murder?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Police will be automatically suspended for certain criminal offences, says CleverlySandpit said:This is fun. @Cyclefree’s Twitter thread on Wayne Couzens.
https://x.com/cyclefree2/status/1763205831904886993?s=61
I think we all know her opinion on the subject, but nonetheless…
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-automatically-suspended-certain-criminal-173439745.html1 -
If Galloway were left alive to do that, is that not an epicurious question over eitherNickPalmer said:
Not that bad, I think - MPs chat together all the time, and I was certainly seen talking with anyone from Ian Paisley to George Galloway without anyone turning a hair (didn't stop Galloway later shouting "Murderer!" at me). He'd be suspended from the start, I think, but might try to live it down. I don't think we'd actually rather have Galloway.LostPassword said:
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.AlsoLei said:
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.LostPassword said:
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.GIN1138 said:
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)LostPassword said:
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.GIN1138 said:
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?NickPalmer said:Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
a) Your judgement.
or
b) Your effectiveness?
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Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
https://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/news/north-yorkshire/news/news/2024/02-february/north-yorkshire-police-apologises-to-lgbtq-community/0 -
Quite amusing to see that Galloway claims that if he wins Starmer, who really has no skin in the Rochdale game now, could be toppled as Labour leader.isam said:No potholes in Rochdale, Lancashire?
Look at the filth Galloway is pumping out in Rochdale.
https://x.com/mrharrycole/status/1763225268674527367?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
He's a fantasist; I hope the good citizens of Rochdale see through him.2 -
A single electric car charger app too please!TimS said:Two random off topic comments:
1. After paying for a bit of parking on the PayByPhone app I counted up how many parking apps I have on my phone. 11. Time for government to force through a national monopoly.
2. I have been enjoying a bag of Torres “fried egg flavour” crisps for the first time, bought in a small grocery shop in Totnes a while back. A complete revelation. Anyone else tried them? I’d say are closest in taste to a really nice Spanish omelette.
Not convinced by the crisps, but perhaps we could send @MarqueeMark to investigate on behalf of the team.0 -
"Rochdale's 30p Lament" is now on a permanent loop in my head
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Thanks. (I think I'll fly go for a slight upgrade on basic pleb economy)rcs1000 said:
Assuming you are flying coach, the experiences are very similar. Both will fly you in modern planes (787s mostly), and are equally reliable.Omnium said:o/t: Any views as to BA vs Virgin to the US?
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)
I think price - and plane times - would be my differentiating factor.
I know people sometimes struggle with BA, but I'm male and of an age that fits in with the cabin crew's idea of a proper passenger. Unfortunately things have moved on a bit from when I was young and male and well-presented and the check in staff could be charmed into almost certain upgrades (all airlines). I only managed first class (from economy) once, but that was in Japan in the 80s, and I think they preferred me to not be offending their other customers by my presence.1 -
I suspect the LDs looked at it and thought, are we going to spend our target seats money defending Rochdale in a few months time? And the answer was "No?"HYUFD said:
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
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I suspect the LDs looked at it and thought, are we going to spend our target seats money defending Rochdale in a few months time? And the answer was "No?"HYUFD said:
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.ThomasNashe said:Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
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He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.Omnium said:
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.1 -
Harsh. (Says man who wears a fedora in hot weather).kinabalu said:
He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.Omnium said:
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.1 -
In the so bad it's good contest:
" Mr Connell said. “The script was 15 pages of AI-generated gibberish of me just monologuing these mad things.
“The bit that got me was where I had to say, ‘There is a man we don’t know his name. We know him as the Unknown. This Unknown is an evil chocolate maker who lives in the walls.’"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/willy-wonka-experience-glasgow-chocolate-event-b2504464.html0 -
I want to know what that glue is. Got to be good stuff. Where can I buy some?Northern_Al said:
Harsh. (Says man who wears a fedora in hot weather).kinabalu said:
He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.Omnium said:
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.0 -
Evening all
In more "there must be an election coming" news, the Government has found £785 million to bail out Woking Borough Council.
https://www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk/news/bankrupt-woking-borough-council-offered-ps765-million-government-bailout-but-has-to-increase-council-tax-668767
If you want to know the cost of years of Conservative mismanagement, there's part of it. Not much for the Woking residents who will face a 10% Council Tax rise in order for the Council to get the bailout or handout.
Will this help Jonathan Lord keep his seat or make no difference at all?0 -
Given that Horner is a top motor sport sportsman (in more ways than one) does "it ain't the meat, it's the motion" apply?ydoethur said:
I have to say, if some of the pictures out there are correct he doesn't seem to be that big a tool.TheScreamingEagles said:Christian Horner.
What a tool.
Only fair outcome is to strip Red Bull and their drivers of all their titles.
More Christian Hornier than I can cope with though.
AND, since this is (ostensibly) a betting site, what are the odds that Ms Halliwell did NOT know her hubby is (allegedly) a hot-to-trot horn-dog?
Of course THAT covers about 99.46% of the male population! But just sayin'.0 -
One can't say. Depends if it is sincere or purely to placate Peter Tatchell (who can be quite forceful).Taz said:Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
https://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/news/north-yorkshire/news/news/2024/02-february/north-yorkshire-police-apologises-to-lgbtq-community/0 -
Given that the Acting Chief Constable says "As a bisexual man myself...." I suspect it's sincere. It's certainly unusual, especially for North Yorkshire.kinabalu said:
One can't say. Depends if it is sincere or purely to placate Peter Tatchell (who can be quite forceful).Taz said:Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
https://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/news/north-yorkshire/news/news/2024/02-february/north-yorkshire-police-apologises-to-lgbtq-community/2 -
Yes, Keir will be quaking.Northern_Al said:
Quite amusing to see that Galloway claims that if he wins Starmer, who really has no skin in the Rochdale game now, could be toppled as Labour leader.isam said:No potholes in Rochdale, Lancashire?
Look at the filth Galloway is pumping out in Rochdale.
https://x.com/mrharrycole/status/1763225268674527367?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
He's a fantasist; I hope the good citizens of Rochdale see through him.
What's that coming over the hill, is it a fedora ... is it a fedora?1 -
Well yes. I don't quite get his grand plan though. His drum banging on behalf of anyone that's dodgy would if carried to its end result see him as one of the first against some wall. He shares this with Corbyn, although the latter may have had a nice seaside holiday home for a while before the ammunition beckoned.kinabalu said:
He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.Omnium said:
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.
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Jonathan Lord has been an MP since 2010, I discover. Has anybody heard of him, outside Woking (and maybe not even there)?stodge said:Evening all
In more "there must be an election coming" news, the Government has found £785 million to bail out Woking Borough Council.
https://www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk/news/bankrupt-woking-borough-council-offered-ps765-million-government-bailout-but-has-to-increase-council-tax-668767
If you want to know the cost of years of Conservative mismanagement, there's part of it. Not much for the Woking residents who will face a 10% Council Tax rise in order for the Council to get the bailout or handout.
Will this help Jonathan Lord keep his seat or make no difference at all?
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You don't think you're Orson Wells, though, do you? I sense George does.Northern_Al said:
Harsh. (Says man who wears a fedora in hot weather).kinabalu said:
He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.Omnium said:
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.Gardenwalker said:
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.isam said:
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.0 -
Sorry @carnforth - missed this. Yes, I'm paying and east coast.carnforth said:
Are you paying? And is it west coast or east?Omnium said:o/t: Any views as to BA vs Virgin to the US?
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)0
